[ilugd] Blip.tv vs Youtube licencing (was: [OT] (was) Re: Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!)
Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: uh huh! the reason am recommending you read the [youtube] EULA is because in effect, youtube gets to use your content for any commercial purpose it deems fit for itself and you can't do anything about it. here, read the fine print as explained on this reference site: [snip rest] Yup, so Youtube is free as in beer. That's a kind of freedom too. How does it compare with the ideas behind free as in freedom software? 1. The licencing of the content can be relicenced by Youtube - this is BSD licence-like. 2. The content cannot be redistributed when sourced from Youtube. It's not a totally despotic set of restrictions. The uploader grants a non-exclusive licence to Youtube, so it can be redistributed by the uploader to anyone he wants to pass it on to, including via P2P). So if the uploader's beautiful, Osho-nice naturescapes bliss out video becomes a background to a toilet paper advert, he can still give the video out to others via blip.tv or whatever - he just can't do it from Youtube. Effectively, the uploaders are like BSD software distributors, Youtube is like a proprietary content pusher helping itself to BSD licenced content, but it is not curtailing the uploader's freedom to keep providing the original content. The analogy is a bit lame, because content isn't software, and doesn't develop in the same way, but it's an ok way to get a grip on things. To become free as in freedom (by this I mean GPL-like - YMMV), Youtube would have to accept content that by default is like the Creative Commons Sharealike licence, ie, the corresponding fixes to the earlier restrictions would be: 1. the content cannot have its licence changed 2. the content, if publicly shared, is shared without restriction, except for the restriction of keeping the licence unchanged. Youtube, won't do that. Blip.tv makes that possible as an option - ie you can pick up stuff from blip.tv and others can redistribute it. Note: Blip.tv still allows people to make toilet paper ads from your magnum opus. That's freedom too in my view (though you can curtail it by choosing a suitable Creative Commons licence. Creative commons licences vary, and only some are really free as in freedom. But that's another can of worms). Anyway, probably a sensible way to distribute content would be for the uploader to put up some content on Youtube, and a superset of that content on blip.tv (and suggest on Youtube that people pick up the full content from blip.tv). Bottom line: if you want to help uphold the ideas behind free as in freedom, then, when distributing video content, use blip.tv in preference to youtube. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] (was) Re: Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
On Jan 14, 2008 11:38 PM, Anoop John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He gives the right to the content and in turn gets the audience and saves on the cost. On Jan 15, 2008 12:26 PM, Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: uh huh! the reason am recommending you read the EULA is because in effect, youtube gets to use your content for any commercial purpose it deems fit for itself and you can't do anything about it. That is what I asked - what if the user is willing to give up his rights for what he gets in return :) Anoop -- http://www.zyxware.com http://www.thondomraughts.com Be the change you wish to see in the world M. K. Gandhi ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux webcam
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: deah boy, my secretary has been using wp 5.1 from 1989 and refuses to shift from it. She started out on a dos box, then doze 3.1, then So, we have it - your single usecase scenario for Linux is your secy's document typing habit. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] (was) Re: Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!
On Jan 15, 2008 12:26 PM, Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: uh huh! the reason am recommending you read the EULA is because in effect, youtube gets to use your content for any commercial purpose it deems fit for itself and you can't do anything about it. That is what I asked - what if the user is willing to give up his rights for what he gets in return :) that's his or her 100% freedom. also known as the joy of living. :-) niyam -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blip.tv vs Youtube licencing (was: [OT] (was) Re: Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Linux graphic PC!)
[SNIP] So if the uploader's beautiful, Osho-nice naturescapes bliss out video becomes a background to a toilet paper advert, he can still give the video out to others via blip.tv or whatever - he just can't do it from Youtube. HAHAHAHA! splendid anal-ogy... PJ, leading to sudden creative-commons and muft and mukt enlightenment. :-) [snip] Anyway, probably a sensible way to distribute content would be for the uploader to put up some content on Youtube, and a superset of that content on blip.tv (and suggest on Youtube that people pick up the full content from blip.tv). depends on the creativecommons-license. if i publish under a cc-by-nd-sa 3.0 license, or a cc-by-nd-nc 3.0 license, these automatically break the youtube EULA. Bottom line: if you want to help uphold the ideas behind free as in freedom, then, when distributing video content, use blip.tv in preference to youtube. PJ to take this discussion forward, PJ, see you at freed.in in february 2008. http://freed.in regards niyam -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] problem with Squid ACL based on MAC Address
On 1/15/08, sarvandra kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I;ve following configuration in squid(2.6 STABLE18) to apply acl based on clients mac address: acl mac arp 00:R4:5T:9F:8D:7C http_access mac deny while applying new setting it throw error which is:- 2007/08/23 10:21:35| aclParseAclLine: Invalid ACL type 'arp' FATAL: Bungled squid.conf line 1821: acl mac arp 00:C0:9F:7C:D8:8C Squid Cache (Version 2.5.STABLE6): Terminated abnormally. How can I use mac address to apply acls. Kindly provide solution. with regards sarvandra poswal It's possible that squid was not compiled with support for acls based on MAC address. You can enable it by recompiling with the option --enable-arp-acl. -- Manish Kathuria Tux Technologies http://www.tuxtechnologies.co.in/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] RMS's article in economic times
Guys, RMS's article in Economic Times (16th January 2008):Digital Colonisation curtailing right to creativity - http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Interview/Richard_Stallman_Founder_President_Free_Software_Foundation/articleshow/2703364.cms -- Regards, Tirveni Yadav Freed.in/2008 22 - 24 February 2008, JNU , New Delhi knowledge shall set you free ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] RMS's article in economic times
On Wednesday 16 Jan 2008, tirveni yadav wrote: Guys, RMS's article in Economic Times (16th January 2008):Digital Colonisation curtailing right to creativity - http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Interview/Richard_Stallman_Founde r_President_Free_Software_Foundation/articleshow/2703364.cms Brutally hacked by either the editor or a reporter who's more interested in making deadlines than in verity of his/her reporting. At some places RMS seems to be saying stuff that he's opposed to in principle, at other places the conversation jumps completely out of context. Worth a read still :) Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology Software || February 2008 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] RMS's article in economic times
On Wednesday 16 January 2008 09:50, tirveni yadav wrote: Guys, RMS's article in Economic Times (16th January 2008):Digital Colonisation curtailing right to creativity - http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Interview/Richard_Stallman_Founder _President_Free_Software_Foundation/articleshow/2703364.cms This article is incomplete and has a lot of errors. Either they are typos or the report didn't have sufficient time. May be it wasn't planned well. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] RMS's article in economic times
On Wednesday 16 January 2008 10:51, Raj Mathur wrote: On Wednesday 16 Jan 2008, tirveni yadav wrote: Guys, RMS's article in Economic Times (16th January 2008):Digital Colonisation curtailing right to creativity - http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Interview/Richard_Stallman_Found e r_President_Free_Software_Foundation/articleshow/2703364.cms Brutally hacked by either the editor or a reporter who's more interested in making deadlines than in verity of his/her reporting. At some places RMS seems to be saying stuff that he's opposed to in principle, at other places the conversation jumps completely out of context. Exactly! Though I have emailed the reporter about errors, I could only think of technical details which may not be well understood by the reporter. So, I have asked him to verify details from http://www.gnu.org and gnu.org.in Worth a read still :) Not till they correct errors and republish the article with correct details, IMNSHO. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Blip.tv vs Youtube licencing (was: [OT ] (was) Re: Linux RAID issues (was) Re: Li nux graphic PC!)
Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [SNIP] So if the uploader's beautiful, Osho-nice naturescapes bliss out video becomes a background to a toilet paper advert, he can still give the video out to others via blip.tv or whatever - he just can't do it from Youtube. HAHAHAHA! splendid anal-ogy... PJ, leading to sudden creative-commons and muft and mukt enlightenment. I thought I was just papering over the cracks in the argument. Butt enough. These innuendos are rearly scraping the bottom. [snip] Anyway, probably a sensible way to distribute content would be for the uploader to put up some content on Youtube, and a superset of that content on blip.tv (and suggest on Youtube that people pick up the full content from blip.tv). depends on the creativecommons-license. if i publish under a cc-by-nd-sa 3.0 license, or a cc-by-nd-nc 3.0 license, these automatically break the youtube EULA. The impression you give from this is that once you give your original content from your machine to youtube, then give the same original content from your machine to blip under those cc-* licences, you break the youtube EULA. That's not so. Even if the digital content is exactly the same, the youtube EULA is *not* broken by this. (On the other hand, for clarity: You would break the EULA if you sourced the content from youtube and then put it in blip under those CC-*s. Even if the digital content were exactly the same. I don't know if youtube adds its own bits to the content and locks it that way though). to take this discussion forward, PJ, see you at freed.in in february 2008. http://freed.in Yeah, maybe I'll manage to find your talk this time ;-) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
