Re: [ilugd] [OT] the new blender movie is out
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Parthan SR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Maybe we missed it in the commotion of a latest bollywood movie ;) , but still, Big Buck Bunny has been released a while ago and is available for download. http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/index.php/download/ i hope LinuxForYou distributes it with soon with their mag. so does chip,digit,pcworld,pcq, and the other IT-based publications with cover-mounted discs. regards niyam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [Even more OT] Re: [OT] {X-post} Experience of Prachi Saxena
2008/6/17 Angad Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: True, that's what the spirit of a LUG should be ! That's what open source means anyway. I agree on the participation part too. I'm ready, but I can't do it until people here are clear about 'my intentions'. People??? Get beyond it Angad. Declaring where you coming from is in fact going to lead more credence. The spirit of list is that and moreover if some one else breaches the line - whoever - point out. But keeping mum is not going to get us anywhere. -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Time for Firefox download -- Download Day 2008 -- today - 10:30 PM
Hi, lets set the world record for Firefox downloads -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/en-US/worldrecord/ - see poland and germany has 50,000+ users and India we have only 29,000+ , its time now to send this mail to all your friend list -- Remember -- download time is for India is -- *17 June 2008 -- Tue 10:30 PM * * *taken from - http://www.spreadfirefox.com/node/2438 -- Best Regards -- Narendra Sisodiya MTech, IIT Delhi mob : 98931-19531 skype : narendra_sisodiya webpage : http://narendra.sisodiya.googlepages.com/aboutme [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.lug-iitd.org - Jai Hind -- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Time for Firefox download -- Download Day 2008 -- today - 10:30 PM
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:22 PM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, lets set the world record for Firefox downloads -- Catch the updates at http://twitter.com/mozillafirefox And check out Air Mozilla :) @ http://air.mozilla.com/ -- Angad Singh http://angadsingh.in http://blogs.sun.com/angad The best way to predict future is to invent it ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] is being paid for promoting FOSS bad? [was] shabdanjali ISSUES
quite frankly i think its just plain stupid what all of you are doing, this IMHO is like a group of five year old kids bragging how strong their dog is, how big his teeth are, how furry his coat is, it seems awfully important thing to do when you are five but when you grow up one realizes that it was awfully stupid, because quite frankly nobody cares about the other guys dog, each one to his own dog, or in this case product, or choice of distribution, if a certain individual is being paid by a company does not mean that he cant love their product, or tell people about it, now in this case i highly doubt angad is nothing but a spokesperson for sun, who joins all possible mailing lists and then brags about Solaris or OpenSolaris or a million other things that Sun does. I am a big apple fan, i love their products and their Operating system, i also love fedora, am a fedora ambassador, but lets say five years down the line i am hired by either Apple or Red hat should i suddenly stop talking about either of those amazing Operating systems, it would probably by then would be my second nature to talk about such things, if it already isn't! , the point i am trying to make none of you cannot simply reject his suggestion just because he is a Sun employee, not a regular one at that! he's a student! still there has been such widespread criticism of him where ever he has posted , may be he does just loves opensolaris, may be that is why he applied to be a Sun campus ambassador in the first place, none of us know the real story yet most of us here haven't let pass an opportunity to target him, and yes i am not a regular contributor to the mailing list, and the reason to that is quite simple, ILUG-D rarely welcomes new people, rarely approves of new initiatives, when we , i was the one who sent in the proposal for a FREED.in or even a satellite conference being hosted at our college JIIT, sent in a proposal it was met with only skepticism , i accept that we were new members, but someone could have said no worries we'll try and integrate you, but nothing of that sort happened, Freed.in or any such conference must be held at JNU is what i gather, the reasons for that have been discussed earlier, i don't have the time and energy to dig into the mailing list and post you a link, but since you claim to be a mailing list supporting FOSS, i guess you might just as well be a little open with your mindset rather than just the software on your computers/laptops Regards, Aditya Kumar Sharma http://adityasharma.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] the new blender movie is out
On Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 09:51:53AM +0530, Parthan SR wrote: Check out the .OGG video from the German server, others seem not to respond at the moment. Or via BitTorrent :) -- If you care, you just get disappointed all the time. If you don't care nothing matters so you are never upset. -- Calvin ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] (no subject)
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Re: [ilugd] Time for Firefox download -- Download Day 2008 -- today - 10:30 PM
I am not going to download it during the world record attempt. This is my protest against showing the wrong map of India on their website. On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:22 PM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, lets set the world record for Firefox downloads -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/en-US/worldrecord/ - see poland and germany has 50,000+ users and India we have only 29,000+ , its time now to send this mail to all your friend list -- Remember -- download time is for India is -- *17 June 2008 -- Tue 10:30 PM * * *taken from - http://www.spreadfirefox.com/node/2438 ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~~ www.sudhanwa.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] {X-post} Experience of Prachi Saxena
On 17-Jun-08, at 9:51 AM, Raj Mathur wrote: for peddling that item, whatever it is. And if the latest (proprietary) product that Mr Singh mentioned turns out to be a Sun product, I'll request the list admin to moderate his postings until he (Angad) clearly understands that this is not a medium for marketing proprietary crap from anyone, be it Sun, IBM, RH or MS. I have been searching the thread, and his other posts, and I cant find where he has recommended proprietary crap - could you give the reference please. Further I do not think threatening to instruct the list admin to moderate postings is good etiquette when you are involved in the flame war. Also please point out to where it is mentioned that this is a moderated list. After very bitter experiences with moderated lists, I swore never to join another - if this is one, I personally would leave. I personally have no issues with discussion on any FOSS product or activity on this list, but it's up to the list managers and ILUGD office-bearers to define the scope within which we operate here :) last time we were told that ILUGD office-bearers were office bearers for ILUGD and not for this list. Or rather this list and ilugd are two separate entities. Has this changed? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Time for Firefox download -- Download Day 2008 -- today - 10:30 PM
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not going to download it during the world record attempt. This is my protest against showing the wrong map of India on their website. lol lol lol pass me your book 101 way to protest anything ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Time for Firefox download -- Download Day 2008 -- today - 10:30 PM
On 17-Jun-08, at 6:23 PM, narendra sisodiya wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not going to download it during the world record attempt. This is my protest against showing the wrong map of India on their website. lol lol lol pass me your book 101 way to protest anything I am not downloading to protest their still not supporting indic fonts in the default verrsion -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Time for Firefox download -- Download Day 2008 -- today - 10:30 PM
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not downloading to protest their still not supporting indic fonts in the default verrsion yes,, This makes a point,, -- Best Regards -- Narendra Sisodiya MTech, IIT Delhi mob : 98931-19531 skype : narendra_sisodiya webpage : http://narendra.sisodiya.googlepages.com/aboutme [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.lug-iitd.org - Jai Hind -- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Time for Firefox download -- Download Day 2008 -- today - 10:30 PM
Hi, I think we should compare the total number of internet users with the total number of internet users who use firefox ... then I think the figures below are fine http://www.spreadfirefox.com/en-US/worldrecord/ - see poland and germany has 50,000+ users and India we have only 29,000+ , We have less number of internet users as compared to poland,germany , etc ... -- with regards, vaibhav ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Time for Firefox download -- Download Day 2008 -- today - 10:30 PM
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:22 PM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, lets set the world record for Firefox downloads -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/en-US/worldrecord/ - see poland and germany has 50,000+ users and India we have only 29,000+ , its time now to send this mail to all your friend list -- Remember -- download time is for India is -- *17 June 2008 -- Tue 10:30 PM * * *taken from - http://www.spreadfirefox.com/node/2438 The number has already increased to about 32k for India but then China has just about 22k. Ah well, so much for comparisons ! -- http://nomadicrider.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Time for Firefox download -- Download Day 2008 -- today - 10:30 PM
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not going to download it during the world record attempt. This is my protest against showing the wrong map of India on their website. Very well said infact this is frustrating to see wrong maps at many places including BBC, worldtimezone and many more. But this is not right forum, to protest for this. If you come across one, don't forget to tell, please! Regards Yash ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Time for Firefox download -- Download Day 2008 -- today - 10:30 PM
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Sharninder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah well, so much for comparisons ! Always look ahead,, ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] {X-post} Experience of Prachi Saxena
On Tuesday 17 Jun 2008, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 17-Jun-08, at 9:51 AM, Raj Mathur wrote: for peddling that item, whatever it is. And if the latest (proprietary) product that Mr Singh mentioned turns out to be a Sun product, I'll request the list admin to moderate his postings until he (Angad) clearly understands that this is not a medium for marketing proprietary crap from anyone, be it Sun, IBM, RH or MS. I have been searching the thread, and his other posts, and I cant find where he has recommended proprietary crap - could you give the reference please. Further I do not think threatening to instruct the I was referring to the LiveWire or whatever produict that Angad had mentioned in an earlier mail. I presume it's proprietary, otherwise you wouldn't need to be rich to obtain it. list admin to moderate postings is good etiquette when you are involved in the flame war. Also please point out to where it is mentioned that this is a moderated list. After very bitter experiences with moderated lists, I swore never to join another - if this is one, I personally would leave. Before we get into another hyperbolic war which has nothing to do with the topic at hand, let me clarify the context of this discussion and request you to stay within that: 1. I never threatened to ``instruct'' the list admin to moderate anyone. I said I'd request him, and I stand by that -- if I see anyone peddling proprietary stuff here I will definitely ask the admin to moderate that person, as I'm sure many others will too. 2. Nowhere was it said or implied that this was a moderated list. It's not. It never will be, if I have any say in the matter at all. For the benefit of those like you who don't understand the Internet and mailing lists: you can have an unmoderated list and still place one specific person on moderation for violation of the list etiquette. That does NOT make the whole list moderated. I personally have no issues with discussion on any FOSS product or activity on this list, but it's up to the list managers and ILUGD office-bearers to define the scope within which we operate here :) last time we were told that ILUGD office-bearers were office bearers for ILUGD and not for this list. Or rather this list and ilugd are two separate entities. Has this changed? Not as far as I know, since this list has no office bearers at all. Like, we don't have an ``ILUGD Mailing List Society'' (probably an oversight which should be rectified -- quick guys, register a society for the list!) Anyhow, until we have a registered society for the mailing list, we just have list administrators, which is what I said above. Those administrators may or may not be office-bearers of the ILUGD society, it's not important as long as they do their job efficiently and unobtrusively. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] {X-post} Experience of Prachi Saxena
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 17 Jun 2008, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 17-Jun-08, at 9:51 AM, Raj Mathur wrote: for peddling that item, whatever it is. And if the latest (proprietary) product that Mr Singh mentioned turns out to be a Sun product, I'll request the list admin to moderate his postings until he (Angad) clearly understands that this is not a medium for marketing proprietary crap from anyone, be it Sun, IBM, RH or MS. I have been searching the thread, and his other posts, and I cant find where he has recommended proprietary crap - could you give the reference please. Further I do not think threatening to instruct the I was referring to the LiveWire or whatever produict that Angad had mentioned in an earlier mail. I presume it's proprietary, otherwise you wouldn't need to be rich to obtain it. This is the height of craziness ! I am out of this thing now. LOL. I had just seen LiveScribe in JavaONE session video... the most popular one in which James Gosling shows off the duke's choice award winners each year... It's not even a product by Sun :P .. its by some startup company which one the Duke's choice award for the year 2008. I can't help myself but laugh at this lol... ofcourse its proprietary .. ITS NOT A SOFTWARE! :P How can you be so crazy! Wow! -- Angad Singh http://angadsingh.in http://blogs.sun.com/angad The best way to predict future is to invent it ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] {X-post} Experience of Prachi Saxena
That was hilarious, I still can't stop laughing !! :P -- Angad Singh http://angadsingh.in http://blogs.sun.com/angad The best way to predict future is to invent it ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] {X-post} Experience of Prachi Saxena
(I am following up to this message, but including responses to another of your messages. This has already become rather a mountain out of a molehill as far as I am concerned.) On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:01:38 +0530 Angad Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, not sure I agree with that. I see the issues at hand as being (a) gratuitously pushing a product/service/group that has no relevance in the current context and a) In http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/msg21486.html, there was a recommendation made by Mr. Gora for other linux distros, without giving any reason to back his views, and so did I for opensolaris. What is not in context here? b) In http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/msg21510.html, there was a show of concern for creating awareness for opensource and so I mentioned about our program and what it does to fulfill that purpose! How are either of these equivalent to the message I was complaining about, namely http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/msg21512.html That sounds like a marketing blurb, adds little of value to people on this list, is a complete non-sequitur to the thread that it follows up on, and is blatant astroturfing, at least by my reading of it. Microsoft has been roundly condemned for such behaviour by its campus ambassadors, and I do not see why other companies should get a free pass. I spent some time composing my original message, making sure to (i) cast it as a request, and based on personal opinion, rather than as a formal declaration on behalf of ILUG-D, and (ii) not impute any motive to you, other than pointing out an obvious conflict of interest. It is quite possible to promote a product that one has a vested interest in, but such promotion should be based on technical merit, and lack of disclosure of potential conflicts of interest is seriously unethical. If you honestly do not see the difference between your message, and either of your (a), and (b) examples above, I guess that we will just have to agree to disagree. For the record, (a) was a one-line jocular follow-up, is by no means representative of my participation on this list, hardly constitutes a promotion of any specific Linux distribution, and in any case I do not derive any financial benefit from promoting any Linux distribution. (b) This is slightly more ambiguous, but not by a lot. The forwarded message does not specifically promote a proprietary product, but is cast as an open source (Linux) success story, and, if you will notice, the author starts out by declaring that he works for HCL (full disclosure). And, please drop your us against them attitude. For example, other people have called out Ubuntu folk when they marginally crossed the line on the list, so this is not about you per se, but about what is acceptable on the list. (b) not clearly specifying that you get paid for peddling that item, whatever it is. And if the latest (proprietary) Proprietary??? I don't know why and how people are so uninformed here! [...] I don't know why you are seemingly purposefully ignoring the essence of the point, namely, *your* failure to disclose a potential conflict of interest. Look, Angad, I am all in favour of people like you making a bigger contribution to this list, ILUG-D, and Freed.in. Yes, in spite of the name, we are primarily about FOSS, and not about Linux. I am also quite prepared to believe that we do not do a good enough job of welcoming new entrants. However, there are certain things that I for one will not compromise on, and as far as this thread goes, I absolutely do not see it as an example of unfriendliness from the side of ILUG-D. Please feel free to disregard the remainder of this message, as this thread is already turning into the equivalent of But, daddy! He started it first! I am certainly unlikely to follow up further on this part of the conversation. Coming back to JIIT as the venue for Freed.in 2008, I hope that you do not dispute the following facts (a) that the ILUG-D meeting at JIIT (which for us was a test case) was quite disappointing in terms of attendance. There were 2 students from JIIT, out of your claim of a 100+ strength of the JIIT LUG. And, this after the meeting was rescheduled at your request. (b) After that, besides email, you were contacted at least a couple of times on the phone personally by me. Those requests included asking for JIIT faculty to contact us, and/or asking for contact information so that we could get hold of them. Neither of these materialised. (c) However valid the reasons might be, I think that balancing commitments that you have made is your problem. Even if you were pre-occupied with exams at that time, we had exactly zero follow-ups from you after the exams. You can choose to believe me, or not, but besides maybe Andrew, I was the biggest proponent of a satellite conference at JIIT.
Re: [ilugd] [OT] the new blender movie is out
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 09:51:53AM +0530, Parthan SR wrote: Check out the .OGG video from the German server, others seem not to respond at the moment. Or via BitTorrent :) -- If you care, you just get disappointed all the time. If you don't care nothing matters so you are never upset. -- Calvin ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Hi, If anyone can collect from me, I will download and burn, whatever the size be. No money for writing media. ANd if you cannt bring media, I may give u one without cost. But the problem is, someone has to pick it from my place. -- -=Ravi=- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] {X-post} Experience of Prachi Saxena
On 17-Jun-08, at 7:48 PM, Angad Singh wrote: I was referring to the LiveWire or whatever produict that Angad had mentioned in an earlier mail. I presume it's proprietary, otherwise you wouldn't need to be rich to obtain it. This is the height of craziness ! I am out of this thing now. LOL. I had just seen LiveScribe in JavaONE session video could you give the link of the mail in which you have mentioned this? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] the new blender movie is out
On 18-Jun-08, at 12:48 AM, Ravi Kumar wrote: Or via BitTorrent :) -- If you care, you just get disappointed all the time. If you don't care nothing matters so you are never upset. -- Calvin ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Hi, If anyone can collect from me, I will download and burn, whatever the size be. No money for writing media. ANd if you cannt bring media, I may give u one without cost. But the problem is, someone has to pick it from my place. I successfully downloaded the movie - after one failed attempt. It is really cool. ps please refrain from bottom posting - there is a lot of material above which you should have trimmed before posting. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] {X-post} Experience of Prachi Saxena
On 17-Jun-08, at 7:29 PM, Raj Mathur wrote: 1. I never threatened to ``instruct'' the list admin to moderate anyone. I said I'd request him, and I stand by that -- if I see anyone peddling proprietary stuff here I will definitely ask the admin to moderate that person, as I'm sure many others will too. this is a question of attitude. There are two views on how to 'teach' a newbie to 'behave'. The paternalistic view is that that these people need to be put in some sort of quarantine and only allowed out when they learn to behave. The other view depends on peer pressure, list members put pressure on the newbie and he may or may not conform. Take top posting. The members of different lists have different standards here. In some lists, members jump on all top posters and top posting goes down. Other lists have a more tolerant view where it is more or less left to the poster. The paternalistic people would put the offenders in quarantine till they either leave or post properly. I personally find top posting most irritating, and, when I have the energy, flame top posters. But I would certainly not recommend 'quarantining' or 'moderating' such people. As for request != instruct, given your position in the Indian FOSS movement, it is difficult to see anyone refusing a 'request' from you. 2. Nowhere was it said or implied that this was a moderated list. It's not. It never will be, if I have any say in the matter at all. For the benefit of those like you who don't understand the Internet and mailing lists: you can have an unmoderated list and still place one specific person on moderation for violation of the list etiquette. That does NOT make the whole list moderated. being a moderated list does not imply that all members are moderated - it only means that moderation is an option, and that option can be used to threaten/coerce people. Which is what happens here. I would like the admins to clarify that moderation is *not* and option. Spammers and those who act against the list principles should be kicked off the list - others, however obnoxious or irritating they may be, have to be tolerated. I personally have no issues with discussion on any FOSS product or activity on this list, but it's up to the list managers and ILUGD office-bearers to define the scope within which we operate here :) last time we were told that ILUGD office-bearers were office bearers for ILUGD and not for this list. Or rather this list and ilugd are two separate entities. Has this changed? Not as far as I know, since this list has no office bearers at all. I think you have missed my point here. ILUGD is one of the few LUGs where there is a distinction between a list member and a ILUGD member. For example, I am a member of this mailing list, but not a member of ILUGD. This distinction has been made during the discussion last year on whether ILUGD should tie up with LFY for freed/freedel. This is not so for other LUGs except PLUG. So the people who define the scope within which the list operates are *not* the office bearers of ILUGD. Rather it is the members of the list - not one man one vote - but the listadmins should feel the pulse of the members and implement accordingly. Of course, if moderation is an option, then the moderaters can decide and implement. It wont affect me for I will be long gone. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] is being paid for promoting FOSS bad? [was] shabdanjali ISSUES
+++ Aditya Kumar Sharma [17/06/08 13:32 +0530]: quite frankly i think its just plain stupid what all of you are doing, this IMHO is like a group of five year old kids bragging how strong their dog is, how big his teeth are, how furry his coat is, it seems awfully important thing to do when you are five but when you grow up one realizes that it was awfully stupid, because quite frankly nobody cares about the other guys dog, each one to his own dog, or in this case product, or choice of distribution, if a certain individual is being paid by a company does not mean that he cant love their product, or tell people about it, I disagree. I believe that this is a valid discussion that Angad, Gora, Raju and Kenneth had, and if anything, it underlines the drive in the people behind this list to keep the list free of any kind of commercial influence. We have had these kind of discussions quite a few times in the last few years, and however negative the feeling was in the few days surrounding it, it has generally been good in the long term. And the list hasn't died in the process. Gora and Raj had concerns, Angad had his defense. People can draw their own conclusions. Let us move on. There are bigger issues to fight for. now in this case i highly doubt angad is nothing but a spokesperson for sun, who joins all possible mailing lists and then brags about Solaris or OpenSolaris or a million other things that Sun There is no issue being evangelical about such product offering, but when you are being paid for evangelise a company's product, it is common courtesy(not just in FOSS lists) to put in a disclaimer that you are commercially associated with it. It is just like stock advisors putting in disclaimers that they own certain stock themselves. system, i also love fedora, am a fedora ambassador, but lets say five years down the line i am hired by either Apple or Red hat should i suddenly stop talking about either of those amazing Operating systems, it would probably by then would be my second nature to talk about such things, if it already isn't! , As soon as you are hired by any of these companies, you should be aware of your changed role in this list. The ILUGD list is proud to be a vendor independent, non-commercial, grassroots FOSS community. Possibility of bias while offering suggestions, takes the shine off such an identity. It is just like talking face to face with people. If you talk while wearing the uniform of the company, people would have no objection to whatever suggestions you make, because they can evaluate possibilities of bias in their mind. But if you do the same thing without wearing the uniform, that is sneaky behavior. :) of us here haven't let pass an opportunity to target him, and yes i am not a regular contributor to the mailing list, and the reason to that is quite simple, ILUG-D rarely welcomes new people, rarely approves of new initiatives, when we , i was the one who sent in the proposal for a FREED.in or even a satellite conference being hosted at our college JIIT, sent in a proposal it was met with only skepticism , i accept that we were new members, but someone could have said no worries we'll try and integrate you, but nothing of that sort happened, Freed.in or any such conference must be held at JNU is what i gather, the reasons for I don't think you completely understand how such FOSS lists work. There are no issues with new people coming in. There is just a bit of mild skepticism in new people turning in and trying to change things. If anything that this list has learnt over the last ~10 years is that it is easy to start things but more difficult to sustain things in the long run. The basic unwritten expectation that the list has from new people is for them to build some kind of credibility in the list first by regularly contributing to it. Your voice counts more and more as your contributions go up into the community. BTW, did you jump to all these conclusions about the nature of the list just because the ILUGD folks didn't warm up to your idea about hosting freed.in at your college? Do you believe in democratic opinion? What if most people involved in the discussion genuinely believed that JNU was a better venue? Were you open to that possibility? My advise is to warm up the list to your college by holding several monthly LUG meetings, etc. first, and then go ahead and proposing to have such conferences there. - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya http://blog.sandipb.net ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
