Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
IMO, Ubuntu came very late in the scenario when the Linux kernel had achieved more or less a polished state. Redhat, Novell etc contributed for it. All that was necessary was for it to be shiny and popular. Ubuntu rightly did it (opensuse did it too). Hence, the low number of patches. The reason why GNU/Linux is growing as a choice for desktop users is because of distributions like Ubuntu. Regards, bibek On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just learnt from a friend of mine that I should stop using Ubuntu as Canonical is not contribiting to the developmemt of GNU/Linux systems as compared to other players. He also suggested that since most of its stuff, or nothing, is upstream so we cant trust it. Also his arguement was, being run by one man, who may tomorrow change his mind and stop support to Ubuntu, then what? So, I am bringing this issue to the lista and have people's opinion as to how much Canonical has contributed and how wise is the decision to use Ubuntu? Here is the article of Greg Kroah-Hartman, maintainer of the USB and other subsystems in the Linux kernel mentioning Canonical contribution to be 100 patches viz a viz 230 by Mandriva and only 270 by Gentoo. Remember Ubuntu is quite young compared to Mandriva, Gentoo. http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/lpc_2008_keynote.html Please suggest. -- Swapnil Bhartiya http://ybfree.blogspot.com/ Mobile: 09910956518 === I use Free Software, what do you use? === ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
swapnil, sometimes a frustrated human says much without knowing a little about(right now its you). if you got time, your valuable time, please move your as* and look at launchpad. Remember , you should try to look and find light, rather than complaining the darkness. * *sorry for top, posting, its mobile client with limited feature. -Original Message- From: Bibek Paudel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 2008-09-28 13:59:56 GMT+08:00 To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org Subject: Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor IMO, Ubuntu came very late in the scenario when the Linux kernel had achieved more or less a polished state. Redhat, Novell etc contributed for it. All that was necessary was for it to be shiny and popular. Ubuntu rightly did it (opensuse did it too). Hence, the low number of patches. The reason why GNU/Linux is growing as a choice for desktop users is because of distributions like Ubuntu. Regards, bibek On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just learnt from a friend of mine that I should stop using Ubuntu as Canonical is not contribiting to the developmemt of GNU/Linux systems as compared to other players. He also suggested that since most of its stuff, or nothing, is upstream so we cant trust it. Also his arguement was, being run by one man, who may tomorrow change his mind and stop support to Ubuntu, then what? So, I am bringing this issue to the lista and have people's opinion as to how much Canonical has contributed and how wise is the decision to use Ubuntu? Here is the article of Greg Kroah-Hartman, maintainer of the USB and other subsystems in the Linux kernel mentioning Canonical contribution to be 100 patches viz a viz 230 by Mandriva and only 270 by Gentoo. Remember Ubuntu is quite young compared to Mandriva, Gentoo. http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/lpc_2008_keynote.html Please suggest. -- Swapnil Bhartiya http://ybfree.blogspot.com/ Mobile: 09910956518 === I use Free Software, what do you use? === ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
--- On Sun, 28/9/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor To: ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org Date: Sunday, 28 September, 2008, 12:52 PM swapnil, sometimes a frustrated human says much without knowing a little about(right now its you). if you got time, your valuable time, please move your as* and look at launchpad. Remember , you should try to look and find light, rather than complaining the darkness. * *sorry for top, posting, its mobile client with limited feature. I moved my ass as much as possible and got it scratched. And you seemed to have not read my post completely and showed _your_ frustration here. I suggest you should have read by post and understood what I was trying to say before doing some MB here and pointing at my _complain_ (?). Note: Ra21vi:, I am a nice guy otherwise; but don't poke me in stomach especially with shitty language in lists. Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
Swapnil Bhartiya wrote: Thanks a lot for the two links and you are very correct being a Novell employee, and since Ubuntu is pain in ass (as it is more popular and in turn making GNU/Linux popular among ordinary usersm thus stealing Novell's market) of Novell he focussed only on criticizing Canonical-- very very negative approach. What he forgot was it was Ubuntu that made 'converted' like me from Windows to GNU/Linux. if you believe the nonsense you wrote here Swapnil, you know neither Greg nor open source software. Also, the idiot who wrote the post saying that Greg did not disclose he works for novel should be laughed at, since the slides that Greg made it quite clear that he worked for novel. The funny thing here is that the Canonical fanboys seem to not be able to come up with a single fact to dispute the numbers that Greg has posted - *that* is a real issue. Not leading away from it in various ways. Anyway, none of what Greg spoke about or posted is incorrect. What is also true is that most of the software and code efforts at Canonical are to build and develop close source software. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
Mehul Ved wrote: Also his arguement was, being run by one man, who may tomorrow change his mind and stop support to Ubuntu, then what? I don't agree to this point at all. Ubuntu is where it is because of it's community. Absolutely, and the technical community around Ubuntu is called Debian. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
Bibek Paudel wrote: IMO, Ubuntu came very late in the scenario when the Linux kernel had achieved more or less a polished state. Redhat, Novell etc contributed for it. You are mistaken. The linux kernel gets hardware support, features, stability fix's and feature additions all the time - now more so than every before at a pace faster than ever before. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: swapnil, sometimes a frustrated human says much without knowing a little about(right now its you). if you got time, your valuable time, please move your as* and look at launchpad. Remember , you should try to look and find light, rather than complaining the darkness. Launchpad isnt that closed source itself ? -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
if you believe the nonsense you wrote here Swapnil, you know neither Greg nor open source software. Dear Karan ji, I don't know whether what I wrote up there was nonsense or senseless. I received an opinion mentioning Matt Zimmermanhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Zimmerman_%28technologist%29, so I shared with the list as there are people here who can help make picture clear, without being _curt_. And If I knew everything, I wouldn't be on the list trying to discuss out things :-) Being a writer, I always value suggestion, but I am not used to a particular kind of language. What is also true is that most of the software and code efforts at Canonical are to build and develop close source software. -- I am so very grateful to you that you took time and explained things further :-) I have always had argument with friends on issues like this so I needed some expert opinion. Swapnil ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
Absolutely, and the technical community around Ubuntu is called Debian. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are allegations that Canonical is taking away a lot of Debian developers, hiring them for ubunt, which affects Debian development. Is that correct, Karan ji? Swapnil Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Go to http://in.webmessenger.yahoo.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] [ILUGD] OSS CAMP Day 2 under Camera
Hi All, Here are some of the pics for the day 2 of OSS Camp Delhi held at IIT Delhi.Please follow the link and if there is some issue with the album ,please do revert me back. http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Thanks Saurabh ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Swapnil Bhartiya wrote: Anyway, none of what Greg spoke about or posted is incorrect. What is also true is that most of the software and code efforts at Canonical are to build and develop close source software. Example of such softwares (except launchpad, i have read the explanation of mark on making launchpad closed source right now and i think i am convinced) Any other pointers -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
Swapnil Bhartiya wrote: Absolutely, and the technical community around Ubuntu is called Debian. There are allegations that Canonical is taking away a lot of Debian developers, hiring them for ubunt, which affects Debian development. Is that correct, Karan ji? I dont know. But it should not be that hard to find out. None of the people I know working at Canonical ever were debian developers. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gaurav Mishra wrote: Example of such softwares (except launchpad, i have read the explanation of mark on making launchpad closed source right now and i think i am convinced) perhaps you would then also be convinced that OSX is the future ? No , I am not Any other pointers how many apps have they worked on internally ? how many of them are open ? Hmm, That is a counter question ?, I don`t research on what ubuntu is making and what is open in that ? Will still love to know about your claim -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
Karanbir Singh wrote: Bibek Paudel wrote: IMO, Ubuntu came very late in the scenario when the Linux kernel had achieved more or less a polished state. Redhat, Novell etc contributed for it. You are mistaken. The linux kernel gets hardware support, features, stability fix's and feature additions all the time - now more so than every before at a pace faster than ever before. Red Hat or None/ UNKNOWN is at the top. See http://lwn.net/Articles/275954/ and the comments too But the *buntu-Debian combine is doing very well...especially as far as the overall contribution is concerned. Best A. Mani -- A. Mani Member, Cal. Math. Soc ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Bibek Paudel wrote: IMO, Ubuntu came very late in the scenario when the Linux kernel had achieved more or less a polished state. Redhat, Novell etc contributed for it. I came across this comment on Linux Magazine: *I personally think that Canonical contributed enormously by nearly doubling Linux desktop install base. And the Linux desktop install base is important bit. Anybody who had to deal with kernel development in last five years would found that contributing something to kernel what provides gains on desktop is nearly impossible: if it hurts servers (forte of RH Novell) it will be immediately blocked by their people. Just recall Kon Colivas goodbye letter. It's all there. The conflicts on LKML still happening all the time. Linux as kernel heavily server oriented - because companies who keep most developers on payroll are server companies. And they choose server market because it is possible to make a profit in server market, while in desktop market you face up hill battle against M$ and Apple. RH and Novell (SUSE) choose easy target where they can compete - Canonical choose much much harder target and yet is delivering good results. So who is coward then?? P.S. And frankly, 95% of kernel contributions of RH and Novell can be filed under category improved Oracle performance by 0.0001%. To me personally most of their contribution for past years were pretty useless. * You can check the thread here: * http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/kroah_hartman_attacks_canonical Swapnil * ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Software Freedom Day Celebrations at JIIT University
Hi all, Here are all the photos from JIIT's SFD celebrations: http://picasaweb.google.com/angadsingh007/SoftwareFreedomDayDay0 http://picasaweb.google.com/angadsingh007/SoftwareFreedomDayDay1 http://picasaweb.google.com/angadsingh007/SoftwareFreedomDayDay2 There's a short video clip we shot at the end: http://picasaweb.google.com/angadsingh007/SoftwareFreedomDayDay2#5251006763442150994 Regards. -- Angad Singh http://blogs.sun.com/angad Sun Campus Ambassador Tech Lead ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Software Freedom Day Celebrations at JIIT University
2008/9/29 Angad Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Here are all the photos from JIIT's SFD celebrations: And I hope all that action pushes more students to open their mind. -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. PS: I know most of people do not follow email niceties (mostly they are not aware) but if you follow bottom post/in-line post style of email conversations it becomes a whole lot easier to carry on meaningful dialogue and you can snip out what is not meaningful too. Most people just hit reply button and top post leaving prior message appended uselessly at bottom. See if you can adopt this style and persuade others. In case you are already doing this . great, spread the message. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] GNU/Linux primer
Hi all, I made an attempt at making a GNU/Linux primer at http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2008/09/28/gnulinux-primer/ To put it simply, just something which tells newbies what it is all about without getting technical. What do you guys think? Do you think I may have missed something? Do you think something could have been put up in a better way? Or you think it plain sucks. Feedback and flames all are encouraged :) -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal This email is licensed under http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
Swapnil Bhartiya wrote: So, I am bringing this issue to the lista and have people's opinion as to how much Canonical has contributed and how wise is the decision to use Ubuntu? I'd say that the 'Canonical' aspect of Greg's talk has over shadowed a much more pertinent take-away from it - that contributions to the upstream is a pretty good way to get things done (or, control destiny). In fact, this message could work out nicely in events where iLUG-D organizes, participates. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Software Freedom Day Celebrations at JIIT University
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:49 AM, Sudev Barar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/9/29 Angad Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Here are all the photos from JIIT's SFD celebrations: And I hope all that action pushes more students to open their mind. Yes we hope so too. We have to keep the momentum. We'll be rolling out with lectures on linux after the Dussehra holidays Please read the following blog post to know about the SFD celebrations at our university :) http://blogs.sun.com/angad/entry/software_freedom_day_at_jiit -- Angad Singh http://blogs.sun.com/angad Sun Campus Ambassador Tech Lead ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
