Re: [ilugd] [OT] The Google Cookie Conspiracy
Hi, On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 3:07 AM, amar akshat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All big people after my neck.I realize thats its time to say That I am sorry for any thing controversial I said i was just trying to convey something i found interesting Nobody is after your neck or any other body part. AFAIK, no cannibals in this list. ;) Point they are trying to tell you is - there is *NO* such thing called Ethical Hacking. Guess what? Hacking is *always* ethical. The term ethical hacking is thus as misnomer. Institutes/People misguide people by cooking up such names, sobriquets and slogans ( dare to dream beyond . ;) ) for their own benefit and vested interests and media helps a lot to spread such ideas. I think, we have yet to see any proof from AF about his tall claims. I mean, I find it hard to believe that FBI called him of all people in world to help them with steganography(?). Maybe I am difficult person to convince but show me some proof atleast. I/We have never seen any source or information that corroborates anything that is mentioned on his website or in the article on wikipedia about him. Speaking about media, other day, I was watching some news channel and a certain uber cyberlaw expert was being interviewed as a part of story about a man from whose account a HUGE amount was withdrawn fraudulently. IIRC, this dude, whom I have seen few times on TV talking about cyber laws and security, says ( how to prevent yourself from such cybercrimes ) , yeah, you know what I never use any kind of internet banking ( or something to that effect ) and thus safe. WTF? What kind of security is that? In Bengali there is a saying - chor-er bhoye maati-te keo khayena ( atleast heard that at home a few times ) - it means, fearing a thief you can't eat on the ground ( not buy utensils etc, thus nothing in the house that could be stolen ). I feel, that is the kind of security ideas that dude practices by not using the facilty at all thusly not effected by the side^bad effects of the facility. These days media loves to make things sensational and thusly we see such news and such people prospering. There are people on this list and other lists who are better hackers than AF can ever dream about. Thanks to FOSS, I have met some people who are best in their fields - be it C/C++/OS/Hardware/PHP/Mobile/Linguists/Art/Flamewar/etc ;). AF doesn't come last in that list. He has the blessings of Media and corporate, so good for him. Not good for this young crowd who are so fascinated by the word hack without even caring to know the real meaning of that word. Anecdote - Some one year back or so, Roshan B ( people from ilug-BOM should know him well ), asked me to give a talk on KDE at his college. So I went, I gave my talk, showed them some foobar and as a sidenote - I told them about GSoC and about this guy called Sharan who as KDE GSoCer from Mumbai who has now become a Umbrello *hacker*. On my way back, one of the students accompanied me to Kurla station. As we were walking towards the platform the dude asks me - Dude : so this Sharan is a hacker? Me : ummm, yes but what do you mean by hacker? D : well, does he stop the internet clock and downloads everything? And does he reboots other's PCs? M : ROFLMAO ( in my mind ) Thank GOD, there was railing on the footover bridge, I was tempted to jump off ;). When I told this to Sharan, he of course felt insulted and that he should be called only a cracker ;) So thats it, call yourself a hacker if you want but attaching ethical to it makes no sense to some of us, imo. Cheers! Pradeepto -- The KDE Project : http://www.kde.org KDE India : http://www.kde.in Mailing List : http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] The Google Cookie Conspiracy
Totally agree with Pradeepto. How come some one give a certification and say *go my boy you are now allowed for ethical hacking*™ , worse part is redefining hacking. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] The Google Cookie Conspiracy
amar akshat wrote: I recently had my paper accepted for publication in IAENG conference WCECS 2008 @ San Francisco regarding Google Cookies. The paper title was Security Mutation Algorithm For Google Print and Google Search Security Deficiency. I had discovered the fact that Google in one way or the other is exploiting the in awareness of the layman for may be refining its searches and results. The $subject of your mail is intriguing - is there a link to your paper so that folks can read it ? Or, are you considering putting up a link after the conference is over ? (I understand some conferences would not like a link to be put up before the event) -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] The Google Cookie Conspiracy
Sankarshan sir, I had attached the paper in my second mail only. The paper is there attached in the thread it self.! Even thats ambigious because my conference starts tomoro only. If u want i can repost the paper as attachment.! Regds Amar Akshat (No more a Certified Ethical Hacker) On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Sankarshan (সঙ্কর্ষণ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: amar akshat wrote: I recently had my paper accepted for publication in IAENG conference WCECS 2008 @ San Francisco regarding Google Cookies. The paper title was Security Mutation Algorithm For Google Print and Google Search Security Deficiency. I had discovered the fact that Google in one way or the other is exploiting the in awareness of the layman for may be refining its searches and results. The $subject of your mail is intriguing - is there a link to your paper so that folks can read it ? Or, are you considering putting up a link after the conference is over ? (I understand some conferences would not like a link to be put up before the event) -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- V.P , AGE Certified Ethical Hacker, Dept. Of Computer Engineering, Sikkim Manipal Institute Of Tech. Where You See a Feature I See a Flaw.. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] The Google Cookie Conspiracy
I agree with pradeepto that many people do not know the meaning of hacking...but i guess its not their fault, even i did not. I got to know about it after i started using linux and got to know about things like kernel hacking etc. I think it's our duty to spread the knowledge... ;) -- anything weird is worth a try... Chirag Anand 4th Year, B.Tech Computer Science Department, JUIT Solan Blog :http://techfreaks4u.com/blog Linux User: 476783 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] software patents
On Thursday 23 October 2008 10:09:04 Saurabh Nanda wrote: Whoever wants to argue about the efficacy of software patents should make it a point to read this essay by Paul Graham before forming voicing strong opinions: http://www.paulgraham.com/softwarepatents.html Nice arguments, but if I may quote him (out of context to put him at a disadvantage :-P ), here are some nice extracts: One thing I do feel pretty certain of is that if you're against software patents, you're against patents in general. Gradually our machines consist more and more of software. Things that used to be done with levers and cams and gears are now done with loops and trees and closures. There's nothing special about physical embodiments of control systems that should make them patentable, and the software equivalent not. Unfortunately, patent law is inconsistent on this point. Patent law in most countries says that algorithms aren't patentable. This rule is left over from a time when algorithm meant something like the Sieve of Eratosthenes. In 1800, people could not see as readily as we can that a great many patents on mechanical objects were really patents on the algorithms they embodied. Yes, we believe that the patents system has moved much away from it's original purpose but we especially believe the problem is in software patents/algorithms. Saying that algorithms nowadays are more complex and therefore is ok to patent is incorrect. Algorithms build over others and with knowledge of previous algorithms, a lot of people are near about the same distance from the frontier. The chances of different people hitting the same method to solve a problem is much higher now than before. This is especially true in the entrepreneurial culture (startups) of today. To be patentable, an invention has to be more than new. It also has to be non-obvious. I have heard this several times. How do you define obvious? Leaving such a significant issue to such an ambiguous term itself breaks the system. Applying for a patent is a negotiation. You generally apply for a broader patent than you think you'll be granted, and the examiners reply by throwing out some of your claims and granting others. So I don't really blame Amazon for applying for the one-click patent. The big mistake was the patent office's, for not insisting on something narrower, with real technical content. So the system requires applicants to attempt to overreach? And what is the implication of that on public freedom? Where Amazon went over to the dark side was not in applying for the patent, but in enforcing it. A lot of companies (Microsoft, for example) have been granted large numbers of preposterously over-broad patents, but they keep them mainly for defensive purposes. Like nuclear weapons, the main role of big companies' patent portfolios is to threaten anyone who attacks them with a counter-suit. Another example of how patents have moved away from their original intent. They are no longer an incentive to invent. They are more like tactical business weapons. Used as defense by the very people who have caused this situation to come about. We tell the startups we fund not to worry about infringing patents, because startups rarely get sued for patent infringement. There are only two reasons someone might sue you: for money, or to prevent you from competing with them. So startups, the really innovative side of the business today, doesn't need patents to innovate? I find it very inconsistent myself. I thought most startups nowadays, who focus on innovation(rather than just providing solutions), measure their success by the patents they manage to claim. If your startup grows big enough, however, you'll start to get sued, no matter what you do. If you go public, for example, you'll be sued by multiple patent trolls who hope you'll pay them off to go away.More on them later. In other words, no one will sue you for patent infringement till you have money, and once you have money, people will sue you whether they have grounds to or not. So I advise fatalism. Don't waste your time worrying about patent infringement. You're probably violating a patent every time you tie your shoelaces. Well, this is exactly the problem we were talking about. We do advise the companies we fund to apply for patents, but not so they can sue competitors. Successful startups either get bought or grow into big companies. If a startup wants to grow into a big company, they should apply for patents to build up the patent portfolio they'll need to maintain an armed truce with other big companies. If they want to get bought, they should apply for patents because patents are part of the mating dance with acquirers. See how a system which was supposed to be a vehicle of invention is now more of a business weapon? Frankly, it surprises me how small a role patents play in the software business. It's kind of ironic,
Re: [ilugd] The Google Cookie Conspiracy
2008/10/23 amar akshat: From: amar akshat [EMAIL PROTECTED] The biggest de-facto difference between AF and us is that we are just theoretical in all concepts AF is proff.! AF is AH. -- Cheers, Kartik Mistry | 0xD1028C8D | IRC: kart_ Homepage: people.debian.org/~kartik Blog.en: ftbfs.wordpress.com Blog.gu: kartikm.wordpress.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] The Google Cookie Conspiracy
amar akshat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had attached the paper in my second mail only. The paper is there attached in the thread it self.! Even thats ambigious because my conference starts tomoro only. If u want i can repost the paper as attachment.! (Aside: Please use a spellchecker before I gouge out my own eyes) I think attachments to this list get junked. In any case, The gmane web/news access system doesn't have it. So, put the attachment up somewhere I guess. Regds Amar Akshat (No more a Certified Ethical Hacker) Nice. You've almost redeemed yourself ;-) PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] software patents
+1 Sandip, Following are not my thoughts, if you read about the issue,, you can find them them somewhere. But I strongly believe in these lines. --- *If you go to the fact and figure (As Venky told in meeting) , revenue goes in the hand of inventor is very fraction of total revenue generated by company using suing that patent. So how does in help to a inventor. * Nobody learn from teacher of moon or venus, or came with huge knowledge from birth. We learn/share/buy knowledge from each other , we use extensively pre-existing knowledge/tool to add and ++ kind of thing in current system, so We do not have right to patent that small ++ kind of object. * Patents are intended for monopoly. Monopoly is always harmful. * A company can make product without even getting patents. for software you always have protection mechanism which is sufficient. What type of protection M$ want ?? they got patent in page up /page down.. ( http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOCIDX=US7415666QPN=US7415666 ) So, it means everybody has to pay to M$ for integrating innovative page up and page down method to their application. It also means, for a start-up like me , who just want to develop some applications and sell will have to go through all all patents and then decide which patent I am conflicting. Tell me one start-up who got benefit of patents,, Even if somebody got a patents, Big company always sue them for some other patent infringement and make a MoU by which now big company has one more patent in his list. * One of the reputed VC said patents are like nuclear bombs * This issue came with rightmost and then software, and now it came with software over embedded hardware as one unit and I predict that it will come again with VHDL IP Cores based Systems, where their is no hardware exist. Everything is software. You can generated (using coding) any type of hardware over a generic programmable platform and updates and install new patches. You can download and install latest processors, etc. Better to start working in this issue also. as I have seen the progress of Xilinx and other companies and their technologies, soon we will be having such hardware in our hands, their , these companies has chance to rule/monopoly like M$ etc. Till now I have not observed such issue but it will face it near future. So Lets finish it this instance only. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] The Google Cookie Conspiracy
Regds Amar Akshat (No more a Certified Ethical Hacker) Congrats ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] How to see , what svn updates are available using command line..
In cvs , suppose I want to see what updates are available , I need to type cvs -nq update (want to see update, and not download them) .. But I want similar functionality in svn, So that i can see what updates are available... any pointer... ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] How to see , what svn updates are available using command line..
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 4:50 PM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I want similar functionality in svn, So that i can see what updates are available... any pointer... svn --show-updates -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] How to see , what svn updates are available using command line..
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 4:53 PM, shantanu goel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 4:50 PM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I want similar functionality in svn, So that i can see what updates are available... any pointer... svn --show-updates Actually it's: svn status -u (where -u is same as --show-updates) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] How to see , what svn updates are available using command line..
Also following links might help: [1] A CVS to SVN migration guide: http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk/doc/user/cvs-crossover-guide.html [2] A lot on SVN: http://subversion.tigris.org/faq.html ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] How to see , what svn updates are available using command line..
Thanks u very much, You solved my problem,, ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] The Google Cookie Conspiracy
Hi all, I was wondering today that my notion about Network Security and Ethics in Hacking were almost the same. But after a healthy discussion hereby and Pradeepto's Genuine arguments I realize that i was perhaps wrong. I had in my schedule of CEH with EC-Council gone through modules like SQL Injection, Buffer Overflows etc. I had done practical surveys too. I found Fingerprinting the most interesting part. But I considered them to be some part of Anti Hacking and hence they call it Ethical Hacking. I guess I have lots to learn about ethics. In the course schedule I came across Parameter Tampering attack in a practical survey I queried Google for checking its cookie expiry and validation. When I analyzed the time field TM , I then understood thats there is something fishy. I mailed executives from Google , but no one replied with correct satisfying answers. And so on. I landed up with an algorithm to challenge the Google Print service and so on. I have uploaded the paper. You can have a look. http://www.geocities.com/algeekoders/ICIMT_7_Final_Paper.pdf Regds, Amar Akshat On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 4:32 PM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regds Amar Akshat (No more a Certified Ethical Hacker) Congrats ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- V.P , AGE No More a Certified Ethical Hacker, Dept. Of Computer Engineering, Sikkim Manipal Institute Of Tech. Where You See a Feature I See a Flaw.. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] How to see , what svn updates are available using
narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] In cvs , suppose I want to see what updates are available , I need to type cvs -nq update (want to see update, and not download them) .. But I want similar functionality in svn, svn help list svn help plist Best A. Mani -- A. Mani Member, Cal. Math. Soc ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] The Google Cookie Conspiracy
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:55 AM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Totally agree with Pradeepto. How come some one give a certification and say *go my boy you are now allowed for ethical hacking*™ , worse part is redefining hacking. Pradeepto has given a very nice explanation. However, in the legal scenerio, refering to Indian IT act 2000, unfortunately the term hacker or hacking is taken in the wrong sense. This is what it says: Section XI 66 : Hacking with Computer System (1) Whoever with the intent to cause or knowing that he is likely to cause wrongful loss or damage to the public or any person, destroys or deletes or alters any information residing in a computer resource or diminishes its value or utility or affects it injuriously by any means, commits hacking. (2) Whoever commits hacking shall be punished with imprisonment up to three years, or with fine which may extend up to two lakh rupees, or with both. Well, we can not change the people who write these words but we can educate them and all others by giving knowledge with the proper meanings/explanations (Like the one Pradeepto has given) Even if we accept the legal terminology, Ethical and Hacker will not go together. Most of the people on the list understand/know what Pradeepto said. -Sudhanwa ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] The Google Cookie Conspiracy
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:05 AM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pradeepto has given a very nice explanation. However, in the legal scenerio, refering to Indian IT act 2000, unfortunately the term hacker or hacking is taken in the wrong sense. This is what it says: Section XI 66 : Hacking with Computer System (1) Whoever with the intent to cause or knowing that he is likely to cause wrongful loss or damage to the public or any person, destroys or deletes or alters any information residing in a computer resource or diminishes its value or utility or affects it injuriously by any means, commits hacking. (2) Whoever commits hacking shall be punished with imprisonment up to three years, or with fine which may extend up to two lakh rupees, or with both. Well, we can not change the people who write these words but we can educate them and all others by giving knowledge with the proper meanings/explanations (Like the one Pradeepto has given) Even if we accept the legal terminology, Ethical and Hacker will not go together. Most of the people on the list understand/know what Pradeepto said. -Sudhanwa ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ As fas as i know, in Open Source/Linux, the term hacking means improving and/or contributing to the applications/kernel etc. Correct me, if i'm wrong. -- anything weird is worth a try... Chirag Anand 4th Year, B.Tech Computer Science Department, JUIT Solan Blog :http://techfreaks4u.com/blog Linux User: 476783 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Important : In support of Raj Thackeray...
Dear Ballu bhai After all the 'Raj Thackeray issue', I have realised that we should support him in the following ways please read this and spread this message across the country. Use the power of forwarding mails today!!! * **We all should support Raj Thackeray and take his initiative ahead by doing more... * 1. We should teach our kids that if he is second in class, don't study harder.. just beat up the student coming first and throw him out of the school 2. Parliament should have only Delhiites as it is located in Delhi 3. Prime-minister, president and all other leaders should only be from Delhi 4. No Hindi movie should be made in Bombay . Only Marathi. 5. At every state border, buses, trains, flights should be stopped and staff changed to local men 6. All Maharashtrians working abroad or in other states should be sent back as they are SNATCHING employment from Locals 7. Lord Shiv, Ganesha and Parvati should not be worshiped in our state as they belong to north ( Himalayas) 8. Visits to Taj Mahal should be restricted to people from UP only 9. Relief for farmers in Maharashtra should not come from centre because that is the money collected as Tax from whole of India, so why should it be given to someone in Maharashtra? 10. Let's support Kashmiri Militants because they are right in killing and injuring innocent people for the benefit of their state and community.. 11. Let's throw all MNCs out of Maharashtra, why should they earn from us? We will open our own Maharashtra Microsoft, MH Pepsi and MH Marutis of the world 12. Let's stop using cellphones, emails, TV, foreign Movies and dramas. James Bond should speak Marathi 13. We should be ready to die hungry or buy food at 10 times higher price but should not accept imports from other states 14. We should not allow any industry to be setup in Maharashtra because all machinery comes from outside 15. We should STOP using local trains... Trains are not manufactured by Marathi manoos and Railway Minister is a Bihari 16. Ensure that all our children are born, grow, live and die without ever stepping out of Maharashtra , then they will become true Marathi's JAI MAHARASHTRA! ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] The Google Cookie Conspiracy
Hi, On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:05 AM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pradeepto has given a very nice explanation. However, in the legal scenerio, refering to Indian IT act 2000, unfortunately the term hacker or hacking is taken in the wrong sense. Yes, sadly its framed by cyberlaw experts and bureaucrats like the one I mentioned earlier. Well, we can not change the people who write these words but we can educate them and all others by giving knowledge with the proper meanings/explanations (Like the one Pradeepto has given) Yes, thats why I had to explained *that* student what hacking actually meant. The fact that everybody does hack in one way or other - in technology, in life etc to make our life/things we do easier. Or else mankind wouldn't have invented fire, wheel, spoons, toilet flush, books, computers, CDROMS, Windows ummm wait? ;). Point being, if you can use a long spoon to get that last bit of Kissan Jam from that deep bottle, or if you draw threads of rope / strings from a water container to a flowerpot so that the plants are watered when you are away or you have developed a way to improve your productivity ( lifehacks ) or if you write a simple script that makes sure your ssh connection reconnects automagically after disconnection or a script that fetches and tells the latest stock price for Reliance Petroleum or you have done some (kernel) coding - you have done some hacking and YOU ARE A HACKER. Chirag, I hope you understand the meaning now. Even if we accept the legal terminology, Ethical and Hacker will not go together. Unless the laws are changed, and those can be changed provide enough people talk about and enough people are educated about it. And the misnomers are eradicated. If we don't talk about it enough and tell our friends/colleagues/family/etc we will soon have people like Ankit Fadia framing laws for us. Cheers! Pradeepto -- The KDE Project : http://www.kde.org KDE India : http://www.kde.in Mailing List : http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Important : In support of Raj Thackeray...
Hi, On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 24 Oct 2008, sumit...left d stone age. wrote: After all the 'Raj Thackeray issue', I have realised that we should support him in the following ways please read this and spread this message across the country. Use the power of forwarding mails today!!! * Very interesting, and totally relevant to a mailing list devoted to the discussion of Linux and FOSS in and around Delhi. What are we going to get next, a list of your favourite daal-makhani recipes? As someone whose pujari ancestors were from Maharashtra many eons ago, then migrated to a place which is currently in Bangladesh to perform pujas at the behest of some king or such then to Banaras again to perform pujas then to Kanpur to serve a lifetime to the Defence ministry, and the serving the country and its public sector by building pipelines and petroleum plants all across the country including Maharashtra ( for 13+ years ) ( and finally myself taking birth in Bihar in a small place called Dhanbad which now is a part of Jharkhand, then move to Orissa and then finally moving back and living in Maharashtra for 22+ years ( and sister getting married to a Maharashtrian ) - I do find that mail very interesting. And I have been pondering about my identity. I call it Indian, no idea what politicians call it or want to call it. Actually I am confused at times these days, esp when I read newspapers or watch TV. Funny, how when I talk to KDE folks from else where, they call me - Indian KDE contributor.. But in India, I am a Bengali living in Maharashtra. But you are very right, this topic is not for this list. I agree completely. Cheers! Pradeepto -- The KDE Project : http://www.kde.org KDE India : http://www.kde.in Mailing List : http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Important : In support of Raj Thackeray...
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 24 Oct 2008, sumit...left d stone age. wrote: Dear Ballu bhai After all the 'Raj Thackeray issue', I have realised that we should support him in the following ways please read this and spread this message across the country. Use the power of forwarding mails today!!! * Very interesting, and totally relevant to a mailing list devoted to the discussion of Linux and FOSS in and around Delhi. What are we going to get next, a list of your favourite daal-makhani recipes? I think it's that Ballu phenomenon again. Sumit, I guess you have kept ILUGD mailing list address as your Ballu's address. Please modify your contact list and mail to him directly instead of sending messages through the list. -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
