Re: [ilugd] Request for ILUG-D Elections FAQ please

2009-05-07 Thread Anupam Jain
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Gaurav Mishra  wrote:
> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Anupam Jain  wrote:
>>
>> Well that's my point about informality. Meetings should be just
>> meetings with a specific agenda but without presentations and
>> presentors. A BOF meeting like that can be very successful with
>> anywhere between 3-10 people.
>>
>
> Well that seems like a excellent idea ! Let's do it .However , if you
> need this meetings to be successful , these *3-10* can't be same
> people that are there always for years !, The meetings currently see
> same people with different hairstyles every time !, We need different
> people for different BOF's , Everybody can't be present every week !

Yup! Totally agreed.


>> Agreed. I say we throw around a whole bunch of ideas on BOF meeting
>> topics, gauge interest and hold several of them every month. A few
>> topics (off the top of my head) that I am personally interested in
>> right now. Hold a BOF and I'll be there (schedule permitting) -
>>
>> 1. FOSS document sharing and publishing. Especially an alternative to PDF.
>> 2. Any web dev topics PHP/RoR/Python, AJAX, anything.
>> 3. FOSS platforms suitable for embedded systems. OpenMoko, Android.
>> Embedded Forth/Erlang/Scheme/Python.
>> 4. FOSS Functional programming. Haskell, Erlang, Scheme.
>> 5. Foss alternatives for shared Calendars, shared code development,
>> shared todo lists, milestone and task management.
>> 6. What's up in Ubuntu/Debian. Ubuntu 9.04.
>> 7. Gnome roadmap. Gnome translations into local languages. Getting a
>> better user experience in Gnome (install Thunar, AWN, and global menu
>> bar!)
>> 8. What's up with Firefox? What's up with Chrome? What's up with
>> Epiphany and Dillo?
>> 9. New advances in Javascript engines. V8. Tracemonkey.
>> 10. FOSS based massive information management. Search engines.
>>
>>
>
> Great list !, Anupam as you are continously in and out of delhi ,
> Would request you to choose one day when you are present in delhi and
> formally (in a informal manner) announce this BOF meeting on that
> day!, Let's do it and guage the number of participants , Let us know
> if you need our help in any manner.
>

Well I have created a Wiki page

with this list of topics. Let's use that to gauge the number of
participants. I am in Delhi right now for atleast another month and I
sincerely hope we can get something organised within that time frame.

-- Anupam

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Re: [ilugd] Request for ILUG-D Elections FAQ please

2009-05-07 Thread Anupam Jain
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Gora Mohanty  wrote:
> On Wed, 6 May 2009 17:23:27 +0530
> Anupam Jain  wrote:
> [...]
>> Well that's my point about informality. Meetings should be just
>> meetings with a specific agenda but without presentations and
>> presentors. A BOF meeting like that can be very successful with
>> anywhere between 3-10 people.
>
> OK, informal BoFs on a specific subject, where 5-10 people is a
> good attendance, are useful, and can lead to interesting
> discussions. If needed, space for such meetings can be
> provided at Sarai, JNU (if Andrew is willing), or at any other
> place. Certainly, we can arrange that Sarai premises are available
> at a specific time, say every Sat., on a first-come, first-serve
> basis for anyone who wishes to hold such a BoF, with an announcement
> being made at least by Thu. of that week.
>
> However, where is the role of the LUG in this, as presumably
> a different set of people will be attending each meeting, and
> there is little common interest among the groups? One possibility
> is to have a monthly LUG meeting where the various groups come
> together to discuss what each has done, and investigate whether
> there are any shared interests. However, this would require some
> kind of a commitment from the groups to send a representative to
> such a generic meeting. How does that sound? Would it be possible
> to have people from any such special-interest groups comment on
> this idea.

Well if you think about it, it need not be a special interest "group"
that holds a BOF. For example, we can have a meeting (I'm not sure if
BOF is still the right word for this kind of a meting) on document
sharing and collaboration in GNU/Linux i.e. what works NOW. The aim of
the meeting would be to share experiences and come up with a draft set
of guidelines on how to interoperate with your office colleagues. Then
we put up that document on the Wiki and let the list members refine it
and it would serve as a handy reference for anyone facing the same
problem, for a long time to come.

It would be a one time meeting really and I'm sure would generate a
lot of interest. I can come up with a whole bunch of similar topics if
needed.

>
> [...]
>> Agreed. I say we throw around a whole bunch of ideas on BOF meeting
>> topics, gauge interest and hold several of them every month. A few
>> topics (off the top of my head) that I am personally interested in
>> right now. Hold a BOF and I'll be there (schedule permitting) -
> [...]
>
> Could you start a Wiki page on http://wiki.linux-delhi.org (you will
> need to register), listing these topics, and announce the same here,
> asking people to enter their names under the areas where they are
> interested?

Done! The wiki page is at
http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/TopicsForFOSSRelatedBOFMeetings.
Please feel free to add or edit topics as you see fit.

-- Anupam

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Re: [ilugd] GNU/Linux PDF viewer with ability to read comments

2009-05-07 Thread Pawan
Anupam Jain  writes:


> The problem here is that asking people to send me DOC files instead of
> DOCX usually draws a blank stare. They have no idea what I am talking
> about "Do you want a Word doc or not?". I have to explain how to NOT
> choose the default extension and instead save as a Word 2003
> compatible document and that is too complicated for them. Microsoft
> really hit a home run here with creating confusion.

[#include standard disclaimer about MS docx format being evil]

OK, maybe the workprocess you can apply is to use a docx converter like
odf-converter on your machine?

PJ



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Re: [ilugd] GNU/Linux PDF viewer with ability to read comments

2009-05-07 Thread vivek v
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 4:28 AM, Arun Khan  wrote:
> On Thursday 07 May 2009, sankarshan wrote:
>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Raj Mathur 
> wrote:
>> > BTW, OpenOffice reads PDF?  I didn't know that!
>>
>> 
>
> I found the above independent of this thread as I needed to import a PDF
> (v1.3) file.  I get garbled data.
>
> For me the extension does not work.  I am using OO 3.0.1 (32 bit)
> downloaded from OO's site on a stock openSUSE 11.1 (32 bit) desktop.
>
> Can someone please confirm whether this extension works for them -
> please report Distro/Version, OO version (32/64 bit).
>
> Thanks
> --
> Arun Khan
>
Works for me
on Ubuntu 9.04 (32-bit)  out of the box OO 3.0.1(32-bit ofcourse)
Cheers
Vivek

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Re: [ilugd] FOSS and Indian Political Party Websites

2009-05-07 Thread Mani A
Mohit Singh  wrote:


>  The server is Apache and for www.cpim.org as well, the ASP part is not
>> mentioned anywhere
>
> True, Interestingly, nothing is mentioned.

The source clearly says it uses Drupal and it is all php


> http://vote.cpim.org/node/1352
>
> see the PODCAST and button with link
>
> http://www.gigyamailbutton.com/wildfire/gigyamailbutton.ashx?url=aHR*cDovL3dpbGRmaXJlLmdpZ3lhLmNvbS93aWxkZmlyZS93ZnBvcC5hc3B4P21vZHVsZT1lbWFpbCZ1cmw9aHR*cCUzYSUyZiUyZnd3dy5wb2RvbWF*aWMuY29tJTJmcG9kY2FzdCUyZmVtYmVkJTJmdm9*ZWNwaW1*ZXN*
>
> this leads to ASP based site.
>
> Does FOSSilosophy allow us to link to M$ tech site like this?

Not M$ tech site, but an ad / social networking company.
They must have got the button via podomatic.com

Linking to such sites may be justified on pragmatic grounds.

But yes 100% FOSS is the way to go.

Best

A. Mani



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[ilugd] Community FM Radio needs Community Software

2009-05-07 Thread Mohit Singh
Dear FOSSapiens,


Radio IIMT 90.4 FM is a premier community FM channel of NCR. They even had a
broadcast for FOSSTIVAL 2009 promo clarifying the true meaning of HACKER as
opposed to CRACKER.

We are trying to help them improve upon their service quality and expand
with FOSS. If someone has a related experience with f...@fm Radio, kindly
respond so that we can help them remove the needs of things like Apple
Softwares for Media Editing.

Any FOSS competitor for 'QuarkExpress' and 'Final Cut Studio' ?


Regards,

Mohit
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[ilugd] 26th April - foss workshop/fedora install fest event report

2009-05-07 Thread anirudh shekhawat
The following lines came to my mind

May the winds be upon our back,
And the sun upon our face,
And the wings of destiny carry us aloft to dance with the stars..

when the day finally came for the first ever lugj (linux users group jaipur)
workshop called as FOSS-nigma, which was to be held at Kautilya Institute of
Technology, organized by a lugj member Udit Sharma who is a student of 3rd
year computer science of the same college. we all had eagerly waited for
this event, it has also adorned lugj's IRC channel (#lug-jaipur) topic for
the past one month and it was also lugj's first ever public appearance so
you can imagine the enthusiasm. The workshop was, A FOSS talk session and
Fedora install fest.

The event was scheduled for Sunday 26th April at 10:00 o'clock and I was
there at 9:30 to be of some help. The clock was ticking, it was already time
and I dint see any participants coming, then something struck me, it's a
sunday and I began to worry what if no one turns up. But soon my mind was at
peace when I saw people turning up (late but alright ) and the seminar hall
was filled to capacity i.e. around 80.
So we just brazed through the opening of the event and the stuff which
doesn't matter a lot , we soon started with our talks session for the day.
Just as the event was stating I saw Udit coming up with two/three cartons
full of stuff and was later told that they contained free goodies to be
distributed during the event, graciously provided by Mozilla and Sun. So the
now the talks.

(1).Introduction to FOSS by Mr.Varad Gupta (He's the first RHCSS in
India, an active contributor to the community and also runs a linux training
academy in Delhi called Fostering Linux). We couldn't have found a better
speaker than him to talk about free and open source software and he drove
down all the way from Delhi that morning just for the event, we were like
wow!!. The talk was really good for newbies and for us well which made us
aware some facts and figures about open source movement that we dint know
of. He talked about the basic philosophy behind the freedom movement (FOSS)
which is what I like to refer it with. There were very good examples of the
freedom ideology been adapted outside the software world, companies like
GoldCorp (a mining company) which adapted to the open source model and
became a leader from becoming a bankrupt, there were many examples like that
which made the audience very keen. The session was interactive as we gave
away free goodies to the person who answered questions asked by the speaker
and by that time Varad also added some 50 odd copies of the april isue of
LFY which he brought with himself to our already large the collection but
lacking the grandness. The talk was really an enlightening experience for
everyone.So as the talk got over Varad had to leave for delhi so we got
little time to chat with him regarding lugj's future plans but he was
patient enough to talk for a while and would really like to carry on his
association with lugj. He gave some good suggestions regarding the FAD we
want to conduct and will try if he could bring some Red Hat guys too. Well
then he left, making us proud of what we have and are doing.

(2).Firefox and its addons by Mr.Udit Sharma (lugj member, mozilla
campus rep and fedora ambassador and also college OSUM leader, He's too much
rolled into one, right :) ). Udit Sharma talked about firefox (wearing a
thunderbird Tee)and some of its great addons like youno, chatzilla,
googlepidea, scrapbook, firebug etc and people were keen to know about what
firefox is, though some of them have been using it but dint exactly know how
powerful it is.
(3).Firefox-extended. Well this wasnt really a scheduled talk but one of
our lug members Jay Pandya(sarai fellow, wordmint developer and a 3rd year
computer science student too) felt that firefox needs more time then what
has been given (dont worry that was not an attempt to fork lug, we are good
and very well running you envy people) so he grabbed the Microphone and
starting talking about firfox (wearing a firefox Tee). He talked about
history mozilla, how it actually came into existence and Free the Web
philosophy, why do we need projects Mozilla and how it has transformed the
web we look at it now. Free goodies were been continuously distributed by
volunteers during the whole session and audience was making every attempt to
atleast grab one. By now the whole session has become very interactive and
people were simply throwing questions at the speaker which he was glad to
answer.

(4).Fedoraproject by Anirudh singh shekhawat (fedora ambassador and 3rd
year student). Well it was high time we talked about fedora which we were
going to install in everyone's computer during the install fest. I started
the talk with what is fedora and stuff like who uses fedora around the
world, people behind fedora etc etc. The one important point I wanted to
make was to answer the question people generally have regarding fedora is

Re: [ilugd] FOSS and Indian Political Party Websites

2009-05-07 Thread dhiraj
http://www.aicc.org.in/new/

based on PHP..but best viewed with IE...(written as footer note.)

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Mohit Singh  wrote:

> all 'swadesi' party sites are hosted by 'pardesi' hosts.
>
> a simple traceroute reveals all.
>
>
> MS
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Re: [ilugd] FOSS and Indian Political Party Websites

2009-05-07 Thread Mohit Singh
all 'swadesi' party sites are hosted by 'pardesi' hosts.

a simple traceroute reveals all.


MS
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Re: [ilugd] GNU/Linux PDF viewer with ability to read comments

2009-05-07 Thread Arun Khan
On Thursday 07 May 2009, sankarshan wrote:
> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Raj Mathur  
wrote:
> > BTW, OpenOffice reads PDF?  I didn't know that!
>
> 

I found the above independent of this thread as I needed to import a PDF 
(v1.3) file.  I get garbled data.

For me the extension does not work.  I am using OO 3.0.1 (32 bit) 
downloaded from OO's site on a stock openSUSE 11.1 (32 bit) desktop.

Can someone please confirm whether this extension works for them - 
please report Distro/Version, OO version (32/64 bit).

Thanks
-- 
Arun Khan

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Re: [ilugd] Request for ILUG-D Elections FAQ please

2009-05-07 Thread Gora Mohanty
On Wed, 6 May 2009 17:23:27 +0530
Anupam Jain  wrote:
[...]
> Well that's my point about informality. Meetings should be just
> meetings with a specific agenda but without presentations and
> presentors. A BOF meeting like that can be very successful with
> anywhere between 3-10 people.

OK, informal BoFs on a specific subject, where 5-10 people is a
good attendance, are useful, and can lead to interesting
discussions. If needed, space for such meetings can be
provided at Sarai, JNU (if Andrew is willing), or at any other
place. Certainly, we can arrange that Sarai premises are available
at a specific time, say every Sat., on a first-come, first-serve
basis for anyone who wishes to hold such a BoF, with an announcement
being made at least by Thu. of that week.

However, where is the role of the LUG in this, as presumably
a different set of people will be attending each meeting, and
there is little common interest among the groups? One possibility
is to have a monthly LUG meeting where the various groups come
together to discuss what each has done, and investigate whether
there are any shared interests. However, this would require some
kind of a commitment from the groups to send a representative to
such a generic meeting. How does that sound? Would it be possible
to have people from any such special-interest groups comment on
this idea.

[...]
> Agreed. I say we throw around a whole bunch of ideas on BOF meeting
> topics, gauge interest and hold several of them every month. A few
> topics (off the top of my head) that I am personally interested in
> right now. Hold a BOF and I'll be there (schedule permitting) -
[...]

Could you start a Wiki page on http://wiki.linux-delhi.org (you will
need to register), listing these topics, and announce the same here,
asking people to enter their names under the areas where they are
interested?

Regards,
Gora

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Re: [ilugd] FOSS and Indian Political Party Websites

2009-05-07 Thread Mohit Singh
 The server is Apache and for www.cpim.org as well, the ASP part is not
> mentioned anywhere

True, Interestingly, nothing is mentioned.

We need to extract traces from their sites which leads to 'conclusions'.

http://vote.cpim.org/node/1352

see the PODCAST and button with link

http://www.gigyamailbutton.com/wildfire/gigyamailbutton.ashx?url=aHR*cDovL3dpbGRmaXJlLmdpZ3lhLmNvbS93aWxkZmlyZS93ZnBvcC5hc3B4P21vZHVsZT1lbWFpbCZ1cmw9aHR*cCUzYSUyZiUyZnd3dy5wb2RvbWF*aWMuY29tJTJmcG9kY2FzdCUyZmVtYmVkJTJmdm9*ZWNwaW1*ZXN*

this leads to ASP based site.

Does FOSSilosophy allow us to link to M$ tech site like this?

If my observations are wrong, kindly correct them. Facts are verifiable and
I am not pro or anti .


MS
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Re: [ilugd] Request for ILUG-D Elections FAQ please

2009-05-07 Thread Gaurav Mishra
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Amit Sharma  wrote:
>
> Agreed.
>
> Have read all the posts till now by various members. Were able to
understand
> few points while some points just went over my head (being honest).
>
> I have only one question now ... how or in what way does it (the elections
> and the recently nominated office bearers) help a normal member of ILUG-D.
>

Well answer to this question is actually a question in itself !,

What help a normal member of ILUGD want ? !,

Speaking of my personal experiences with ILUGD in last 6 years of
association, It's been a great learning experience for me !, And for a
college student (6 years back) it brought me a chance of meeting with great
people , interacting with them and build my thought process before getting
in competitive professional world !

Regards
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Re: [ilugd] Request for ILUG-D Elections FAQ please

2009-05-07 Thread Gaurav Mishra
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Anupam Jain  wrote:
>
> Well that's my point about informality. Meetings should be just
> meetings with a specific agenda but without presentations and
> presentors. A BOF meeting like that can be very successful with
> anywhere between 3-10 people.
>

Well that seems like a excellent idea ! Let's do it .However , if you
need this meetings to be successful , these *3-10* can't be same
people that are there always for years !, The meetings currently see
same people with different hairstyles every time !, We need different
people for different BOF's , Everybody can't be present every week !

> Agreed. I say we throw around a whole bunch of ideas on BOF meeting
> topics, gauge interest and hold several of them every month. A few
> topics (off the top of my head) that I am personally interested in
> right now. Hold a BOF and I'll be there (schedule permitting) -
>
> 1. FOSS document sharing and publishing. Especially an alternative to PDF.
> 2. Any web dev topics PHP/RoR/Python, AJAX, anything.
> 3. FOSS platforms suitable for embedded systems. OpenMoko, Android.
> Embedded Forth/Erlang/Scheme/Python.
> 4. FOSS Functional programming. Haskell, Erlang, Scheme.
> 5. Foss alternatives for shared Calendars, shared code development,
> shared todo lists, milestone and task management.
> 6. What's up in Ubuntu/Debian. Ubuntu 9.04.
> 7. Gnome roadmap. Gnome translations into local languages. Getting a
> better user experience in Gnome (install Thunar, AWN, and global menu
> bar!)
> 8. What's up with Firefox? What's up with Chrome? What's up with
> Epiphany and Dillo?
> 9. New advances in Javascript engines. V8. Tracemonkey.
> 10. FOSS based massive information management. Search engines.
>
>

Great list !, Anupam as you are continously in and out of delhi ,
Would request you to choose one day when you are present in delhi and
formally (in a informal manner) announce this BOF meeting on that
day!, Let's do it and guage the number of participants , Let us know
if you need our help in any manner.

With Regards
Gaurav Mishra

Co-founder
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" A social media branding & consulting studio. "

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Re: [ilugd] Request for ILUG-D Elections FAQ please

2009-05-07 Thread Gaurav Mishra
2009/5/6 Dinesh Shah (દિનેશ શાહ/दिनेश शाह) :
> Gora and Gang,
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Gora Mohanty  wrote:
>>
>
> sense to cut activities down to basics.
>
> The LUGs should now move to provide umbrella for more specialist
> interest groups like Python, PHP, C/C++, RoR, Databases, Cloud
> Computing, Security, Application specific software stacks, Policy and
> evangelize related topics and such.
>

The umbrella idea don't seems to work as of now!, For the simple reason that
the specialized groups are right now bigger than the general focus groups !
For the record Delhi is having a very vibrant Ruby users group, Drupal users
group , Wordpress users group , Bloggers group and they are pretty good in
meeting and collaborating!

However ,  I see good possibility of ILUGD collaborating with different
users groups, companies, institutions etc and producing fruitful results , I
am already on the note for such first collaboration and hope to see good
results !

Every idea seems great and there are a lot of possibilities , the main thing
that we seems to lack is the people who have the willing to take this
forward ! , We need more headcounts !

With Regards
Gaurav Mishra

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Re: [ilugd] GNU/Linux PDF viewer with ability to read comments

2009-05-07 Thread Anupam Jain
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Linux Lingam  wrote:
> Dear anupam,
>
> if i read your need correctly, you wish to view and comment on
> documents in a collaborative environment.
> Hence the need to read comments in pdf. You mention you've asked
> people to move from msoffice fileformats to pdf.
> Maybe it's too late to recommend another workflow, but here's what i use:
> ask everyone to turn on 'record changes' and 'view Changes' in oo.o on
> any platform. Plus oo.o allows you to embed comments in-line. It
> works.

In hindsight, that's what I should have suggested.

The problem here is that asking people to send me DOC files instead of
DOCX usually draws a blank stare. They have no idea what I am talking
about "Do you want a Word doc or not?". I have to explain how to NOT
choose the default extension and instead save as a Word 2003
compatible document and that is too complicated for them. Microsoft
really hit a home run here with creating confusion.

If instead I ask them to send me only PDF files, they understand what
needs to be done. I had assumed that atleast reading comments would be
well supported in Linux. I was wrong.


> the other option is to use a CMS on which you upload your files and
> add comments on the cms. Example: plone.

Well the comments have to be on specific parts of the document, so
this is not an option.

>
> on another note, please share whether installing acroread helped.

Sort of. I can read comments easily. Still cannot edit them but that
is a lower priority right now. When I really do need to edit / add
comments I will use PDFEdit.

Xournal's PDF support seems pretty good though and it's a very useful
application if you have a tablet. It doesn't help my situation but for
people sharing PDF files between GNU/Linux machines, it's another good
option.


-- Anupam

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Re: [ilugd] GNU/Linux PDF viewer with ability to read comments

2009-05-07 Thread Anupam Jain
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Raj Mathur  wrote:
> On Thursday 07 May 2009, Anupam Jain wrote:
>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Raj Mathur 
> wrote:
>> > On Wednesday 06 May 2009, Anupam Jain wrote:
>> >> What's the easiest way to read PDFs with embedded comments
>> >> (created with Acrobat Professional) on GNU/Linux? Evince (the
>> >> default gnome viewer) displays the yellow comment icons but does
>> >> not show the text. For the time being I am using PDFEdit to
>> >> manually navigate the tree and extract the comments but it is
>> >> *very* inefficient and time consuming. Evince has the ability to
>> >> read/edit comments in its roadmap but I need a solution now.
>> >
>> > See if kword will show you the comments.  Not exactly a PDF reader,
>> > though.
>>
>> I like to stick to Gnome so no KWord. I did try openoffice though
>> with ghastly results.
>
> Actually you can install KWord on any machine that has X.  KWord != KDE.


While that's true, KWord would require me to install KDE libraries
which I don't want to do (unless I am sure that will solve the
problem).


>
> BTW, OpenOffice reads PDF?  I didn't know that!
>


Well it doesn't. That's what I meant by ghastly results.. Haven't
tried the extension that Sankarshan mentions.


-- Anupam

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