Re: [ilugd] Postfix sends all mails to SPAM

[Nishant Prakash Kashyap]

Hi Abhisekh,

Please use mxtoolbox.com to check whether you server is open relay or not.

Regards,
Nishant Kashyap

On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 11:54 AM, abhishek jain
wrote:

> >
> > > Oh, so if you're using the same domain name for sending emails, it is
> > better
> > > to configure your postfix to act as smarthost and relay all mails
> through
> > > Gmail's SMTP.
> > >
> > > And also as others have mentioned already, check the PTR record, and IP
> > > address of your box being list in DNSBLs.
> > >
> > > The whole process of assuring your email is delivered reliably in
> > recipient's
> > > inbox is quite fuzzy. For some guys, adding a PTR record is just
> enough,
> > while
> > > for others who got blacklisted during beginning, they also need to get
> > SPF[1],
> > > DKIM[2] setup to assure delivery of emails.
> >
> > @Abhishek: Ashish's is the most accurate response. There's no quick fix
> for
> > this - if you already have a Gmail account, then you are much better of
> > using Gmail's SMTP instead of your own, which you can configure in
> Postfix.
> > Of course, you cannot set an arbitrary address in there.
> >
> > If you notice, there is a lot of change in the way mails are handled
> these
> > days. For instance, Gmail relies on SPF and DKIM (Domain Keys Identified
> > Mail), and still it can send your mail to Spam if your reputation has not
> > been good. Yahoo on the other hand requires Domain Keys only (for which
> > you've to use dk-filter/milter and not dkim-filter), and may require
> > participation in its Feedback Loop. Hotmail requires you to have SPF &
> > Sender ID configured, AND, to ensure delivery you need to go through
> their
> > JMRP (Junk Mail Reporting Program).
> >
> > And, goes without saying, PTR, not listed in DNSBL, having a correct
> 'helo'
> > name, and some criteria as mentioned in CAN-SPAM Act are to be followed.
> You
> > really have to spend some time doing this right, and you have to ensure
> that
> > you maintain your reputation all times.
> >
> > All the best with your endeavor ;-)
> >
> >
> Thanks Vivek , Ashish and others.
>
> I had a server before and i had no such problems before, this problem
> arised
> when i moved to a new VPS provider, however the IPs etc as mentioned are
> not
> blacklisted or so, (checked from link provided above
> http://www.spamhaus.org/lookup.lasso . ).
> My guess is some configuration in postfix, as i never had to set SPF etc.
> before. As per the open relay thing, i am not sure how to check this,
> however i will take google help on this,
>
> The server is hosted on webmin control panel, can there be a simple setting
> there which can help me at this,
> thanks
> abhishek
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Re: [ilugd] Postfix sends all mails to SPAM

[abhishek jain]

>
> > Oh, so if you're using the same domain name for sending emails, it is
> better
> > to configure your postfix to act as smarthost and relay all mails through
> > Gmail's SMTP.
> >
> > And also as others have mentioned already, check the PTR record, and IP
> > address of your box being list in DNSBLs.
> >
> > The whole process of assuring your email is delivered reliably in
> recipient's
> > inbox is quite fuzzy. For some guys, adding a PTR record is just enough,
> while
> > for others who got blacklisted during beginning, they also need to get
> SPF[1],
> > DKIM[2] setup to assure delivery of emails.
>
> @Abhishek: Ashish's is the most accurate response. There's no quick fix for
> this - if you already have a Gmail account, then you are much better of
> using Gmail's SMTP instead of your own, which you can configure in Postfix.
> Of course, you cannot set an arbitrary address in there.
>
> If you notice, there is a lot of change in the way mails are handled these
> days. For instance, Gmail relies on SPF and DKIM (Domain Keys Identified
> Mail), and still it can send your mail to Spam if your reputation has not
> been good. Yahoo on the other hand requires Domain Keys only (for which
> you've to use dk-filter/milter and not dkim-filter), and may require
> participation in its Feedback Loop. Hotmail requires you to have SPF &
> Sender ID configured, AND, to ensure delivery you need to go through their
> JMRP (Junk Mail Reporting Program).
>
> And, goes without saying, PTR, not listed in DNSBL, having a correct 'helo'
> name, and some criteria as mentioned in CAN-SPAM Act are to be followed. You
> really have to spend some time doing this right, and you have to ensure that
> you maintain your reputation all times.
>
> All the best with your endeavor ;-)
>
>
Thanks Vivek , Ashish and others.

I had a server before and i had no such problems before, this problem arised
when i moved to a new VPS provider, however the IPs etc as mentioned are not
blacklisted or so, (checked from link provided above
http://www.spamhaus.org/lookup.lasso . ).
My guess is some configuration in postfix, as i never had to set SPF etc.
before. As per the open relay thing, i am not sure how to check this,
however i will take google help on this,

The server is hosted on webmin control panel, can there be a simple setting
there which can help me at this,
thanks
abhishek
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Re: [ilugd] Red Hat Innovation Award

[Rahul Chopra]

On 19th of June, Puranmal Manojkumaar Garg wrote...

[snip]

This is to inform you officially that Our Solution Implemented at LifeSpring
Hospitals has won "Redhat Innovation Award"  for  Optimized Systems
category. This is the first time when an Indian Organization has got this
award along with another Indian company (Just Dial - who is the winner of 
another category-Carved Out Costs).

The announcement is available on :  *
http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/2010/awards/*

*Important :* The success doesn't end here, there is chance to win "Redhat
Innovator of the Year 2010", the winner would be one of all the category
winners . For this, Internet voting has started today evening, and its open
for all Internet users. So kindly take 2-3 seconds of your valuable time to
vote LifeSpring :  https://www.keysurvey.com/survey/305152/12b5/


Spread the words among your contact circle to read about the award, Thank
you in advance for all your support, help and voting

[snip]

Dear manojkumar: CONGRATULATIONS! This is very good news indeed--two Indian
firms winning an international award at a go--kinda indicates the maturity
of Open Source adoption in India. 

Colleagues: Coincidentally, our B'lore journalist has filed LifeSrping's
case study for the July issue of LINUX For You (to be on stands between 5th
to 7th of July). The same will be uploaded on www.linuxforu.com too before
7th of July. 

Next we will focus on Just-Dial.

Plus, will be splash this news on our Facebook and twitter channels, besides
our own websites, and ask for Indians to vote for our 2 cases. Kudos!







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Re: [ilugd] Postfix sends all mails to SPAM

[Naresh Narang]

Postfix has nothing to do with this. Public IP of sender needs to reverse 
resolve to a valid domain to avoid being sent to spam.




Did you meant RDNS it is already set to the hostname of the server i am sending 
emails from, 

-

Well, if your server has a FQDN and resolves to reverse DNS then it has to be 
unblocked from the sites that marked it spam. SPF is good to have for those 
servers that recognize it.


--Naresh



  

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Re: [ilugd] Postfix sends all mails to SPAM

[Naresh Narang]

1. Blacklisting in RBL/DNSBLs Server (use robtex.com to check)
2. Absence of PTR Record.
3. Wrong SMTP Banner.
4. Subnet may be in a pool which has mail server as open relay server (very 
common).

5. SPF Record.
6. The Server may be a real source of SPAM (quite possible that you are really 
spamming).
7. Proper CNAME if A Record is something else.
8. Opt In and Opt Out option for Subscribers if you are using the mail server 
for Email Marketing.

9. For complete consultancy and solution, user needs to pay me [Commercial].




Great, please explain these items being the reasons for being dumped as SPAM -

Blacklisting in RBL/DNSBLs Server (why did it end up in spam was the question 
to begin with, chicken or the egg first.)

Wrong SMTP Banner. What significance does it have except legal.

SPF Record (20% utilization as of 2008).

The Server may be a real source of SPAM (how do you determine this in absence 
of other facts mentioned.)

Proper CNAME if A Record is something else. Whose CNAME and A records, please 
elaborate.

Opt In and Opt Out options. - Really? I get dumped in SPAM because SMTP server 
didn't find Opt-in, Opt-out in my email body? Now that's scary I think. How 
does SMTP server determine if my email was a marketing email or not. Your email 
didn't go in SPAM either though there was no Opt-out mentioned.


Others are pretty obvious. Correct configuration of Postfix assumes that it is 
not open relay, which mostly are not by default. Pay you, yeah that's the 
reason.


--Naresh


  

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Re: [ilugd] Linux installation in labs

[Rahul Chopra]

On Saturday 19 Jun 2010, narendra sisodiya wrote:
> Thanks Nishant for your kind bar minimum help+,
> What is your location , Are you in Delhi, Please share your contact
> number. Iam/weAre dealing with a big set for schools and
> organisation for which we need to create/search vendors who can
> provide vendor support like Installation and Maintenance

On 19 June 2010 08:02, Raj Mathur wrote...

Why don't all you folks who are providing FOSS installation and support 
in NCR make a page on the Linux-Delhi Wiki and add at least the 
following pieces of information to it?

- Organisation
- Number of people
- Activities handled (training, installation, support, etc.)
- Rates
- Clients handled (Govt., commercial, edu, NGO, etc.)
- Years of experience
- Contact details
- Location
- Regions handled (Gurgaon, North Delhi, NOIDA, etc.)
- Incidental expenses required

Then we can start pushing that page as the central NCR Linux support 
repository, and also maintain focus on the list.

I'd suggest a table format, so comparisons and sorting become easy for 
prospective customers.

LINUX For You: If we may add, firms that are providing Linux/FOSS support
can register on fossyellowpages.com too--for FREE. We have over 800+ firms
listed there--from all across the globe, with India on spot #2 (after the
US). We are seeing a decent flow of IT managers and CIOs visiting
fossyellowpages.com to search for solution providers.




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Re: [ilugd] Postfix sends all mails to SPAM

[Vivek Kapoor]

On 06/19/2010 09:21 PM, Ashish SHUKLA wrote:
> abhishek jain writes:
>> Dear friends,
>
>> If all of the emails from my server to me are received by SPAM box 
of gmail,

>> what should i check in my postfix configuration?
>
>> Pl. reply i am using postfix 2.x and centos. the postfix is 
resposible for

>> just sending the emails, as for reveiving i am using google apps.
>
> Oh, so if you're using the same domain name for sending emails, it is 
better

> to configure your postfix to act as smarthost and relay all mails through
> Gmail's SMTP.
>
> And also as others have mentioned already, check the PTR record, and IP
> address of your box being list in DNSBLs.
>
> The whole process of assuring your email is delivered reliably in 
recipient's
> inbox is quite fuzzy. For some guys, adding a PTR record is just 
enough, while
> for others who got blacklisted during beginning, they also need to 
get SPF[1],

> DKIM[2] setup to assure delivery of emails.

@Abhishek: Ashish's is the most accurate response. There's no quick fix 
for this - if you already have a Gmail account, then you are much better 
of using Gmail's SMTP instead of your own, which you can configure in 
Postfix. Of course, you cannot set an arbitrary address in there.


If you notice, there is a lot of change in the way mails are handled 
these days. For instance, Gmail relies on SPF and DKIM (Domain Keys 
Identified Mail), and still it can send your mail to Spam if your 
reputation has not been good. Yahoo on the other hand requires Domain 
Keys only (for which you've to use dk-filter/milter and not 
dkim-filter), and may require participation in its Feedback Loop. 
Hotmail requires you to have SPF & Sender ID configured, AND, to ensure 
delivery you need to go through their JMRP (Junk Mail Reporting Program).


And, goes without saying, PTR, not listed in DNSBL, having a correct 
'helo' name, and some criteria as mentioned in CAN-SPAM Act are to be 
followed. You really have to spend some time doing this right, and you 
have to ensure that you maintain your reputation all times.


All the best with your endeavor ;-)

Regards
Vivek Kapoor
http://exain.com

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Re: [ilugd] [ilug]Need Mysql Help

[Nishant Prakash Kashyap]

I use Windows, but i'm not using MySql I dont have any issues why
are you giving me your suggestions



On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 11:04 PM, abhishek jain
wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Nishant Prakash Kashyap <
> npkash...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> my OS is Windows XP-SP3
>>
>>
> If you are using windows and you being a newbie i would rather recommend ,
> SQLYog. It is an executable and easy to get start with that.
> thanks
> abhi
>



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Re: [ilugd] [ilug]Need Mysql Help

[abhishek jain]

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Nishant Prakash Kashyap <
npkash...@gmail.com> wrote:

> my OS is Windows XP-SP3
>
>
If you are using windows and you being a newbie i would rather recommend ,
SQLYog. It is an executable and easy to get start with that.
thanks
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Re: [ilugd] Postfix sends all mails to SPAM

[Nishant Prakash Kashyap]

Naresh,

Get your basics right first. There are multiple reason for this and few are
directly related to Postfix. If postfix is open relay, it hardly takes 2-3
days for the mail server to get blacklisted.

By the ways, as other other has already mentioned, below are the reason that
can cause the issue.

1. Blacklisting in RBL/DNSBLs Server (use robtex.com to check)
2. Absence of PTR Record.
3. Wrong SMTP Banner.
4. Subnet may be in a pool which has mail server as open relay server (very
common).
5. SPF Record.
6. The Server may be a real source of SPAM (quite possible that you are
really spamming).
7. Proper CNAME if A Record is something else.
8. Opt In and Opt Out option for Subscribers if you are using the mail
server for Email Marketing.
9. For complete consultancy and solution, user needs to pay me [Commercial].

Regards,
Nishant Kashyap




On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Naresh Narang  wrote:

>
> > If all of the emails from my server to me are received by
> > SPAM box of gmail,
> > what should i check in my postfix configuration?
> >
> > Pl. reply i am using postfix 2.x and centos. the postfix is
> > resposible for
> > just sending the emails, as for reveiving i am using google
> > apps.
> > --
>
>
> Postfix has nothing to do with this. Public IP of sender needs to reverse
> resolve to a valid domain to avoid being sent to spam.
>
>
> -- Naresh
>
>
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Re: [ilugd] Postfix sends all mails to SPAM

[abhishek jain]

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Naresh Narang  wrote:

>
> > If all of the emails from my server to me are received by
> > SPAM box of gmail,
> > what should i check in my postfix configuration?
> >
> > Pl. reply i am using postfix 2.x and centos. the postfix is
> > resposible for
> > just sending the emails, as for reveiving i am using google
> > apps.
> > --
>
>
> Postfix has nothing to do with this. Public IP of sender needs to reverse
> resolve to a valid domain to avoid being sent to spam.
>
>
Did you meant RDNS it is already set to the hostname of the server i am
sending emails from,
thanks
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Re: [ilugd] Postfix sends all mails to SPAM

[Ashish SHUKLA]

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Ashish SHUKLA writes:

[...]

> Oh, so if you're using the same domain name for sending emails, it is better
> to configure your postfix to act as smarthost and relay all mails through
> Gmail's SMTP.

Sorry for the confusion, I mean to say configure postfix to relay all mails
through Gmail's SMTP. There is no smarthost here. Not even Gmail's SMTP, as it
doesn't allow masquerading 'From' address to any email address which smarthost
do, but just the email addresses you specifically authorized in your email
account.

HTH
Ashish
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Re: [ilugd] Postfix sends all mails to SPAM

[Naresh Narang]

 
> If all of the emails from my server to me are received by
> SPAM box of gmail,
> what should i check in my postfix configuration?
> 
> Pl. reply i am using postfix 2.x and centos. the postfix is
> resposible for
> just sending the emails, as for reveiving i am using google
> apps.
> --


Postfix has nothing to do with this. Public IP of sender needs to reverse 
resolve to a valid domain to avoid being sent to spam.


-- Naresh


  

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Re: [ilugd] Postfix sends all mails to SPAM

[Ashish SHUKLA]

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abhishek jain writes:
> Dear friends,

> If all of the emails from my server to me are received by SPAM box of gmail,
> what should i check in my postfix configuration?

> Pl. reply i am using postfix 2.x and centos. the postfix is resposible for
> just sending the emails, as for reveiving i am using google apps.

Oh, so if you're using the same domain name for sending emails, it is better
to configure your postfix to act as smarthost and relay all mails through
Gmail's SMTP.

And also as others have mentioned already, check the PTR record, and IP
address of your box being list in DNSBLs.

The whole process of assuring your email is delivered reliably in recipient's
inbox is quite fuzzy. For some guys, adding a PTR record is just enough, while
for others who got blacklisted during beginning, they also need to get SPF[1],
DKIM[2] setup to assure delivery of emails.

For setting up SPF and DKIM both, you've to create a TXT records in your
domain name's zone. Exact details you can figure out by searching the web.

For DKIM, you also need to integrate your postfix MTA with dkim-milter (or
whatever DKIM signing agent you find) to sign emails.

And if you want to avoid all this hassle just relay via Google's MTA like I do 
:).

References:
[1]  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework
[2]  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DKIM

HTH
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Re: [ilugd] Postfix sends all mails to SPAM

[Varad Gupta]

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 7:07 PM, abhishek jain
wrote:

> Dear friends,
>
> If all of the emails from my server to me are received by SPAM box of
> gmail,
> what should i check in my postfix configuration?
>

Pls check that appropriate DNS entries (PTR) exist for your domain and that
it is not in any of the RBLs

In Postfix configuration (main.cf) to begin with, you can check whether your
server is an open relay (which postfix by default is not)

Regards


>
> Pl. reply i am using postfix 2.x and centos. the postfix is resposible for
> just sending the emails, as for reveiving i am using google apps.
> --
> Thanks and kind Regards,
> Abhishek jain
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Re: [ilugd] Postfix sends all mails to SPAM

[VIGNESH PRABHU]

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 7:07 PM, abhishek jain
wrote:

> Dear friends,
>
> If all of the emails from my server to me are received by SPAM box of
> gmail,
> what should i check in my postfix configuration?
>
> Pl. reply i am using postfix 2.x and centos. the postfix is resposible for
> just sending the emails, as for reveiving i am using google apps.
>
> As far as I could understand, since gmail is sending all your mails to SPAM
box, your IP has actually been blacklisted by gmail and hence any mail from
the same is directly sent to SPAM box. You might want to check if spamhaus
has blacklisted your IP from here http://www.spamhaus.org/lookup.lasso .


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[ilugd] Postfix sends all mails to SPAM

[abhishek jain]

Dear friends,

If all of the emails from my server to me are received by SPAM box of gmail,
what should i check in my postfix configuration?

Pl. reply i am using postfix 2.x and centos. the postfix is resposible for
just sending the emails, as for reveiving i am using google apps.
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Re: [ilugd] [ilug]Need Mysql Help

[Nishant Prakash Kashyap]

my OS is Windows XP-SP3

*about the other two questions, please ask Partha..* i know nothing about
it.



On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 5:23 PM, sanjeev mishra wrote:

> Whats your OS?
>
> What all processes you have tried to import it?
>
> Whats the form of the data? Zip or Txt file?
>
> Thanks,
> Sanjeev
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Nishant Prakash Kashyap
>  wrote:
> > 25 GB
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 2:23 PM, sanjeev mishra 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> what is the size of data?
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Ravi Kumar  wrote:
> >> > On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Partha Dasgupta
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> sorry, that's phpmyadmin.net
> >> >>
> >> >> Partha Dasgupta
> >> >> +919811047132
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > You can use the MySQL query browser. This is available free at MySQL
> >> > site.
> >> > you can manually add data there.
> >> >
> >> > But if there is really huge Data - Why you want to manually enter it?
> It
> >> > will cost a lot time, and no new adventure. If the Data Source (File /
> >> > Excel
> >> > / Another DB etc) has some pattern, you can write simple program to
> >> > enter
> >> > data.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -=Ravi=-
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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Re: [ilugd] [...@iitd:8097] Reminder: FREE Drupal Training this Sunday at 1 pm (Call me at 98718 44174 for questions)

[H.S.Rai]

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 4:57 PM, narendra sisodiya
 wrote:
> 2010/6/19 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) 
>>
>> How about those of us who are not on Facebook, and don't want to be
>>  there?
>
> This is a problem at everywhere, so I suggested for a platform which has
> maximum coverage.

If we follow this approach, then we all should use M$windows. As we
are on this mailing list, and not promoting OS which has more
coverage, so we need to consider all ways to reach our target
audience, and don't expect all on a particular platform or expect
someone to adopt that platform. Let it be matter of one's choice and
freedom.

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Re: [ilugd] [...@iitd:8097] Reminder: FREE Drupal Training this Sunday at 1 pm (Call me at 98718 44174 for questions)

[narendra sisodiya]

2010/6/19 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) 

> On Saturday 19 Jun 2010, narendra sisodiya wrote:
> > Do RSVP require login, If yes then it is bad.
> > I will suggest to create facebook event as it has got a larger reach.
> > Nobody use meetup in Delhi  as such,
>
> How about those of us who are not on Facebook, and don't want to be
>  there?


This is a problem at everywhere, so I suggested for a platform which has
maximum coverage.
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Re: [ilugd] [ilug]Need Mysql Help

[sanjeev mishra]

what is the size of data?

On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Ravi Kumar  wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Partha Dasgupta wrote:
>
>> sorry, that's phpmyadmin.net
>>
>> Partha Dasgupta
>> +919811047132
>>
>>
>
> You can use the MySQL query browser. This is available free at MySQL site.
> you can manually add data there.
>
> But if there is really huge Data - Why you want to manually enter it? It
> will cost a lot time, and no new adventure. If the Data Source (File / Excel
> / Another DB etc) has some pattern, you can write simple program to enter
> data.
>
>
>
> -=Ravi=-
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