Re: [ilugd] Fwd: [fsug-tvm] RMS Interview on Indian National channel DD9 on sunday

[Vivek Varghese Cherian]

> Hi Nishant,
>
> RMS is Richard Mathew Stallman
>

s/Mathew/Matthew


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[ilugd] QtWebkit - The fastest way to create desktop application using web technologies

[narendra sisodiya]

If you want to create desktop application and if you are aware of
web-development stuff like JavaScript, html5 etc then Qtwebkit is the most
easiest way to develop software.
In this program, I have created a small application.
Application contains 2 buttons and one webpage element. (It looks like 3
buttons but the third button is from test.html using html input elements )


read more at
http://lug-iitd.posterous.com/qtwebkit-the-fastest-way-to-create-desktop-ap


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[ilugd] Open Web India

[narendra sisodiya]

We are a group of developer and evangelists for html5 and other open web
technologies. We are trying to reach similar peers for our activities.
Please fill your name if you are interested
Thanks
http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHdrU29aYnVsSWYtbjV4OFhVcmdwUEE6MQ

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[ilugd] google docs vs openoffice-in-the-cloud

[Linux Lingam]

dear all,

noticed a couple of emails in the ILUG-D flood, that point to docs that
people have stored and shared on google-docs,
for inputs and comments from ilug-d.

astonishing how muft and mukt visions
go up in smoke when they go up in the cloud.

isn't there a better way for us to collaborate on spreadsheets,
wordprocessed files, presentations,
using the web and nothing but the web, so help me lord,

1) using a totally muft and mukt stack of platforms and solutions
2) ownership is guaranteed in the hands of the collaborators.
3) our data is not sitting in someone else's golden-cage with the key in
their backpocket?
4) optionally, authored files may be tagged for search-engines under a CC
license?

scribid comes to mind.
slideshare for presentations.
but nothing holistic here, yet.

in fact, this may just be nice idea for a startup,
if done right.

regards
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Re: [ilugd] google docs vs openoffice-in-the-cloud

[narendra sisodiya]

On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Linux Lingam  wrote:

> dear all,
>
> scribid comes to mind.
> slideshare for presentations.
> but nothing holistic here, yet.


Well, for using openoffice files we first need to make a good openoffice
viewer. Somebody has to sit and make Complete unzipping libraries in
JavaScript.
http://odp-view.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/src/test1.html

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[ilugd] Fwd: [lug-bitsgoa] Open Source project developers needed in campus

[Aveek Sen]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Pratik Mandrekar 
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 02:52:22 +0530
Subject: [lug-bitsgoa] Open Source project developers needed in campus
To: lug-bits...@googlegroups.com

Hi Everyone,

I was wondering if students and faculty on campus would be interested in
taking up open source project development for a mobile health-care system?
Typically in a campus environment it could be handled by a faculty who would
lead students who would be working on modules depending on the local needs
of the project possibly for credit or otherwise. I started working on this
as part of Google Summer of Code and have also been able to get insights
into their pilot projects currently underway in India (bangalore, rural
Karnataka and NCR to start with). Below are excerpts from a team member.

"Are you a Django expert? Android guru? Or Java wizard? Are you interested
in mobile healthcare? Want to write software that can  actually save lives?

This is an invitation to start SANA at BITS Pilani Goa Campus. SANA is a
mobile health open-source developer community, started at MIT with chapters
in Harvard, Yale, and Boston University.

We build apps for the Google Android platform to enable physicians in
developing countries to provide expert medical care remotely. Our phone app
captures patient data -- in the form of text, pictures, video, and audio --
and uploads it via WiFi, GPRS, or SMS to an open-source medical records
system. Using Sana, doctors can remotely
diagnose patients. Sana solves the #1 problem facing healthcare in
developing nations: a lack of doctors in rural places.

Come join our team. Contribute to our online developer community at
http://code.google.com/p/moca/
.

Visit our website for more information: http://www.sanamobile.org/";


The Sana mobile app uses OpenMRS (which is an open source Electronic Medical
Record system) and my host organization too as the backend but could very
well be ported to any other EMR. Sana has a couple of developers in a Delhi
college and some have chosen to do it as part of their PhD thesis too. It
would be great if someone from BITS could help in local development.
Resources for training either through campus visit or video/audio conference
are available in case someone is interested. Its a good opportunity to
improve your skills in Mobile development, leaning health-care systems and
software engineering while making a big difference to health conditions
across the globe. Visit http://www.sanamobile.org to know more and check out
some things that are currently being implemented by me
here
.

Reply back to this thread or mail me back on pratikmandre...@gmail.com for
more information.

Thanks,

Pratik Mandrekar
pratikmandre...@gmail.com

P.S- Please try to forward this to f200x and faculty lists across all 4 BITS
campuses.

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Re: [ilugd] google docs vs openoffice-in-the-cloud

[Nagarjuna G]

On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Linux Lingam  wrote:
> dear all,
>
> noticed a couple of emails in the ILUG-D flood, that point to docs that
> people have stored and shared on google-docs,
> for inputs and comments from ilug-d.
>
> astonishing how muft and mukt visions
> go up in smoke when they go up in the cloud.
>
> isn't there a better way for us to collaborate on spreadsheets,
> wordprocessed files, presentations,
> using the web and nothing but the web, so help me lord,
>
> 1) using a totally muft and mukt stack of platforms and solutions
> 2) ownership is guaranteed in the hands of the collaborators.
> 3) our data is not sitting in someone else's golden-cage with the key in
> their backpocket?
> 4) optionally, authored files may be tagged for search-engines under a CC
> license?
>
> scribid comes to mind.
> slideshare for presentations.
> but nothing holistic here, yet.
>

wait for three-four months.  gnowledge.org lab is going to release a
web application to do documents, knowledge organisation,
presentations, calendar, tasks, spreadsheets, mind maps, concept maps
... .  all of this in plain text.  This project is based on
http://orgmode.org.

Meanwhile you may look http://orgmode.org/worg.  This is good enough
for people who know how to collaborate and work using git, svn. The
version we are making will be a web app that does the job for the
users.

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Re: [ilugd] google docs vs openoffice-in-the-cloud

[Raj Mathur (राज माथुर)]

On Sunday 18 Jul 2010, Nagarjuna G wrote:
> wait for three-four months.  gnowledge.org lab is going to release a
> web application to do documents, knowledge organisation,
> presentations, calendar, tasks, spreadsheets, mind maps, concept maps
> ... .  all of this in plain text.  This project is based on
> http://orgmode.org.

What will the learning curve be like?  The reason Google Docs and 
similar are so popular is because they offer an interface mostly 
indistinguishable from the document/spreadsheet processing that people 
do on their desktops.  If they have to learn new formatting commands, 
etc. I'm afraid the usage is going to remain limited to people like you 
and me who have Emacs/TeX experience, and who are comfortable using 
plain-text markup.

Much as I hate to say this, any viable alternative to Google Docs has to 
present an interface that has a minimal learning curve.  In other words, 
it has to mimic Excel as far as possible; without that, end-users will 
simply not use the service, however good it may be.

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Re: [ilugd] google docs vs openoffice-in-the-cloud

[Raj Mathur (राज माथुर)]

On Sunday 18 Jul 2010, narendra sisodiya wrote:
> Well, for using openoffice files we first need to make a good
> openoffice viewer. Somebody has to sit and make Complete unzipping
> libraries in JavaScript.
> http://odp-view.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/src/test1.html

Let me reiterate Niyam's point here: Google Docs has no place in an Open 
Web, regardless of alternatives being available or not.

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Re: [ilugd] google docs vs openoffice-in-the-cloud

[H.S.Rai]

2010/7/18 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) :
>
> any viable alternative to Google Docs has to
> present an interface that has a minimal learning curve.

Don't http://eyeos.org/ fit the bill?

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Re: [ilugd] google docs vs openoffice-in-the-cloud

[Nagarjuna G]

2010/7/18 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) :
> On Sunday 18 Jul 2010, Nagarjuna G wrote:
>> wait for three-four months.  gnowledge.org lab is going to release a
>> web application to do documents, knowledge organisation,
>> presentations, calendar, tasks, spreadsheets, mind maps, concept maps
>> ... .  all of this in plain text.  This project is based on
>> http://orgmode.org.
>
> What will the learning curve be like?  The reason Google Docs and
> similar are so popular is because they offer an interface mostly
> indistinguishable from the document/spreadsheet processing that people
> do on their desktops.  If they have to learn new formatting commands,
> etc. I'm afraid the usage is going to remain limited to people like you
> and me who have Emacs/TeX experience, and who are comfortable using
> plain-text markup.
>

We are going to do it in two phases:  in the first phase it is ready
for you and me and in the second phase it will have a GUI.

Just as a tinyMCA or such online editors can introduce html tags in
the buffer, it is possible to introduce orgmode and simple markup.

people like you and me can alternatively and optionally edit the text
buffer direclty.  others would use a javascript based editor like
tinyMCA.

> Much as I hate to say this, any viable alternative to Google Docs has to
> present an interface that has a minimal learning curve.  In other words,
> it has to mimic Excel as far as possible; without that, end-users will
> simply not use the service, however good it may be.
>

Indeed.  the objective of this project is to bring the best of orgmode
and gnowsys to the rest of the non-geeky community.

We need contributions of experts in UI design (Niyam are you listening!)

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Re: [ilugd] google docs vs openoffice-in-the-cloud

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Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) writes:
> On Sunday 18 Jul 2010, narendra sisodiya wrote:
>> Well, for using openoffice files we first need to make a good
>> openoffice viewer. Somebody has to sit and make Complete unzipping
>> libraries in JavaScript.
>> http://odp-view.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/src/test1.html

> Let me reiterate Niyam's point here: Google Docs has no place in an Open 
> Web, regardless of alternatives being available or not.

Right. All we need is a GNU Emacs port to Web 2.7182818284 platform :)

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Re: [ilugd] google docs vs openoffice-in-the-cloud

[Raj Mathur (राज माथुर)]

On Sunday 18 Jul 2010, H.S.Rai wrote:
> 2010/7/18 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) :
> > any viable alternative to Google Docs has to
> > present an interface that has a minimal learning curve.
> 
> Don't http://eyeos.org/ fit the bill?

Now /this/ looks hot!  Thanks for the link.

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