Re: [ilugd] Linux command-line introduction
http://en.flossmanuals.net/gnulinux I'll try not to criticize the article too heavily, but there seem to be some glaring mistakes. 1. Further, you can schedule scripts to occur at a specific time or date or at the occurrence of a specific event on your computer Bad example. How does cron, at, or anacron have anything to do with CLI? I can ask it to play a track in Amarok. 2. Ever tried to do anything remotely like that by using a Graphical User Interface? Firstly, you haven't quoted any mindblowing examples of CLI functionality that cannot be done using GUI. Scheduling? I'm pretty sure there are plenty of graphical schedulers/ sophisticated alarms for Linux. Batch resizing images? Gimp comes with a scripting language called Script-Fu which can easily do this. More and more applications (yes, GUI applications) are coming out with extensibility and scripting frameworks. I just quoted Gimp as one example. AutoCAD uses a dialect of Lisp as its extension language, and the elephant in the room Emacs is mostly written in Emacs Lisp. A shell scripting language like ZSH's is no different- it's a language, that's all. 3. There are many commands you can use to check every facet of your computer's health, from the amount of space left on the hard drive to the temperature of the CPU I wouldn't cite this as something that you can do from the command line. It's like saying that `df -h' or `cat cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature' is more useful than a graphical monitor like Conky or GNOME applets that do the same thing. 4. There is one other interesting feature of command line interfaces that GUIs can't match: interaction over a network. I'm pretty sure there are hundreds of remote desktop projects for Linux. Forget all that: I use `ssh -X' all the time. I don't want users to have the impression that they can't run their graphical applications over the network. 5. Well, those that know how can connect to the computer in the next room via the command line and type halt. Bad example. If you're looking to get Windoze converts, this'll give them the completely wrong picture. They'd expect something like the remote desktop they use in Windoze to `Start Shutdown'. The worst part is that such a remote desktop exists, but you're scaring away/ misguiding users by telling them this. 6. GUI programs often send more error messages to the CLI, than they show in dialog boxes, this is useful to diagnose problems Er. If you're looking to diagnose why a certain program didn't start when you clicked a menu item, it's useful. But otherwise, no- it's useless. Many programs today come with a compile flag to generate a stripped down verbose executable for debugging. The output to CLI of a normally compiled graphical application is practically useless- you see, it's an optimization technique; if you keep tracing and printing useful debugging symbols from the program, it's going to slow down significantly. On a closing note, I think your approach of creating this huge barrier between CLI and GUI, and advocating the use of CLI is just plain wrong. Instead, you should be embracing both worlds (Yes, that's the word used in the article- GUI and CLI are apparently worlds apart), and concentrate on writing something useful. p.s- There's a reason all newbie Linux tutorials suck. They're written by beginners themselves. Experts can't be bothered to write one. Yes, it's a problem; but I see no solution ahead until people stop writing `cookbooks' of new Linux commands. -- Artagnon (.com) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux command-line introduction
Er. I'm a GNU/Linux user myself and it is in my interest to see that the community produces good work and grows. Please don't take my criticism of the Introduction section in the wrong sense- I'm not trying to be a snob and trash the pieces of work that the community produces. Ofcourse, a huge amount of effort has gone into compiling this work. Needless to say, I appreciate the work that has gone into preparing this. All I'm doing is listing a few of my observations on the Introduction section. I'm sorry if I seem overly critical or condescending. About my p.s, I'll maintain that newbie Linux tutorials suck. It's like I criticize GIt cheatsheets- they don't teach you a thing about Git, but supposedly claim to get you up and working in a few minutes. They exist because there's a demand for them. It's difficult to write good books- I passed out of school three years ago and I know what it is to be brought up being taught Turbo C++ from Sumita Arora. And then being taught C again in first year of college using books like Let us C. They exist because it's a quick-and-dirty route- students don't want to break their heads over KR, they simply want to pass the exam. My point is simple: I think there's a better way to teach the user how to user Linux. Use my email as an excuse to produce more pure and less `cookbook' work. I hope you'll use this example as an inspiration- I wrote it in my first year of college to teach my friends pointers in C: http://artagnon.com/static/cellophanesheet.pdf Best wishes. -- Artagnon (.com) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux command-line introduction
Thanks but no thanks *sigh* I'm not even sure what I've done to deserve this sort of hostility, and being personally attacked by Nandeep. In response to a Best wishes, I get this. Frankly, I don't know who's being the jerk. I also humbly apologize for posting the one article that I thought I wrote well, which for some reason, made me sound like a God almighty that everyone should derive inspiration from. I don't like being where I'm not wanted. I'm unsubscribing from this mailing list, effective immediately. -- Artagnon (.com) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] I just uploaded a photo that I want you to see!
OK, enough is enough. Go ahead and add all such spammers, knowing or not, to: http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi- bin/twiki/view/Main/DoNotTrustMeWithYourPersonalData [URL has wrapped] Fantastic idea! This is an apt punishment for spammers- put their email ids up for harvesting :) Eliminates the need to screen email and have list moderators. Additionally, you might also want to write a nice spam filter- all these invite spam emails look more-or-less the same. -- Artagnon (.com) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] How to increase /root partition size in Ubun tu 8.04
bash$ mkdir /new bash$ mount /dev/mapper/VG00/LogVol00 /new bash$ reboot Mounting a filesystem and rebooting will achieve nothing. What were you trying to do here anyway? grub Read the GRUB manual. I'm guessing that GRUB stage 2 is looking for a kernel that doesn't exist. You can try booting manually using the series of commands: root (hd0, 2) initrd /boot/initrd-... | Hit tab to fill it in kernel /boot/vmlinuz-... | Hit tab to fill it in boot -- Artagnon (.com) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] How to increase /root partition size in Ubun tu 8.04
Do you recommend putting / on a LVM device? No. The LVM partitions I maintain are: /home /home/music /home/video /usr /usr/local /tmp /var /root (swap) No, /boot should not be on LVM. and that is the catch. /boot in most installations is not on a separate partition. I personally hate auto-partitioning things (well, for that matter even auto-installing things). Don't bother with them... even if you want to, I'm sure most of these CD installers come with manual partitioning options. I had that for a couple of years and it was more trouble than it was worth. Primary issue is with the default initrd generated when a new kernel is installed -- had to do all sorts of obscure initrd configurations to make sure it booted up fine on an LVM. I've been using LVM for over four years now and it works perfectly. I can add and remove physical hard drives whenever I want without worrying about repartitioning. HTH. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] How to increase /root partition size in Ubun tu 8.04
Is there any way I can increase /root partition's size after installation, using gparted? gparted will do this fine. Next time, consider implementing LVM to resize partitions on-the-fly. -- Artagnon (.com) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] GNU/Linux PDF viewer with ability to read comments
What's the easiest way to read PDFs with embedded comments (created with Acrobat Professional) on GNU/Linux? Evince (the default gnome viewer) displays the yellow comment icons but does not show the text. Take this opportunity to write a patch to fix Evince to show comments. File a bug here https://bugs.launchpad.net/evince/ and get started right away. -- Artagnon (.com) Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Restrcting direct access to CVS repository
CVS is so outdated, I don't even remember using it. Consider switching to bzr, git, svn or hg. -- Artagnon (.com) Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Fwd: SliTaz GNU/Linux distribution - help of translating info on indian-hindu wikipedia
[Forwarding without prejudice. And yes, I'm Hindi and I speak the Hindu language ;) *laughs* I'm not surprised. Even Wikipedia redirects 'Hindu' to 'Hinduism' and puts a disambigouation notice. 'Hindusim' and 'Hindi' are less ambigous terms. -- Artagnon (.com) Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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Re: [ilugd] orkut - Ramkumar has sent you a friend request
My sincere apologies. I wasn't paying attention to all the email IDs. -- Artagnon (.com) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Syncing Servers
My friend has two machines which he wants to use as test LAMP servers. He would also use the same machines as a mail servers. He wants to keep the two machine in sync so that if one of those fails (for any reason) the mails and LAMP business keep going on the other machine. Assuming he's writing code, I'm guessing one's his development server and the other's his production server. If that is the case, do use a versioning system and work on two different branches. -- Artagnon (.com) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
