Re: [ilugd] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-29 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves

On 29-Jun-08, at 10:01 AM, shirish wrote:

 and an apology justifies the cross-post?

 Hi all,
  Kenneth, no an apology doesn't justify the cross-post. But if  
 one wants
 to post to couple lists as possible to get the answer I don't see any
 other way.

mailing lists are meant for discussion and community interaction and  
not for people who want answers 'asap'. Choose the most appropriate  
list and ask there. If they cannot answer, then try another.

 I am open to suggestions as to how should one go about seeking  
 answers.

you will very fast become unpopular if you cross post to several  
lists at a time. We are not here to serve you


 As said before in my original query, I did use google and actually
 also used IRC for the same.
 If there is a better way to do things, I'm interested to know.

cross posts are only justified in announcements of general interests  
of several lists, not for self centred attempts to get an answer 'asap'


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Re: [ilugd] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-29 Thread Smruti M
Oh..com'n guys grow up. Give it a rest.

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:39:34 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

 On 29-Jun-08, at 10:01 AM, shirish wrote:

snip

 Hi all,
  Kenneth, no an apology doesn't justify the cross-post. But if
 one wants
 to post to couple lists as possible to get the answer I don't see any
 other way.

 mailing lists are meant for discussion and community interaction and
 not for people who want answers 'asap'. Choose the most appropriate
 list and ask there. If they cannot answer, then try another.

 I am open to suggestions as to how should one go about seeking
 answers.

 you will very fast become unpopular if you cross post to several
 lists at a time. We are not here to serve you


 As said before in my original query, I did use google and actually
 also used IRC for the same.
 If there is a better way to do things, I'm interested to know.

 cross posts are only justified in announcements of general interests
 of several lists, not for self centred attempts to get an answer 'asap'





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Re: [ilugd] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-29 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves

On 29-Jun-08, at 7:39 PM, Smruti M wrote:

 Oh..com'n guys grow up. Give it a rest.

what exactly does that mean? I got 4-5 copies of his posts as I was  
subscribed to many of the lists to which he crossposted. And now I  
see another batch - looks like he is making it a habit. Before making  
comments like this, I suggest you read up on cross posting and the  
problems it causes, while you are about it, read up on top posting  
and adhere to list etiquette and post properly the next time.


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Re: [ilugd] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-29 Thread Smruti
On 6/29/08, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On 29-Jun-08, at 7:39 PM, Smruti M wrote:

  Oh..com'n guys grow up. Give it a rest.


 what exactly does that mean? I got 4-5 copies of his posts as I was
 subscribed to many of the lists to which he crossposted. And now I
 see another batch - looks like he is making it a habit. Before making
 comments like this, I suggest you read up on cross posting and the
 problems it causes, while you are about it, read up on top posting
 and adhere to list etiquette and post properly the next time.

Sorry about that top posting Kenneth. I didn't intend it, it just happened.
So accept my sincere apologies. About the content of the mail, my point was
to rest the case and move on to subjects of higher interest. I had
subscribed to ILUG-Delhi to participate in technical discussions and become
aware and if possible spread the message of Software Freedom. So correct me
if I am at the wrong place. The last time we discussed anything remotely
related to FOSS was 3 days back when Niyam had posted some links.

So my urge to the community was to have more and more discussions on Linux
and Open Source rather than taking every topic to all sorts of absurd
electronic warfare.

Also, we really don't care what goes on in Redmond. So whether Mr W H Gates
found it from a trash bin or from his backyard, it really doesn't matter.

Regards

SM

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Re: [ilugd] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-29 Thread shirish
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 On 29-Jun-08, at 7:39 PM, Smruti M wrote:

 Oh..com'n guys grow up. Give it a rest.

 what exactly does that mean? I got 4-5 copies of his posts as I was
 subscribed to many of the lists to which he crossposted. And now I
 see another batch - looks like he is making it a habit. Before making
 comments like this, I suggest you read up on cross posting and the
 problems it causes, while you are about it, read up on top posting
 and adhere to list etiquette and post properly the next time.

Lemme first clear the air. I cross-posted to 2 mailing lists. Now if I
get a satisfied answer from one mailing list , should I just shut up
or should I also make an attempt to let the other mailing list know of
the answer I got. Perhaps they didn't know.

I am reading about crossposting as I write.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-posting

Thank you for your help. As far as your other post is concerned,
please don't assume or presume whatever others do is just out of pure
self-interest.

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Re: [ilugd] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-29 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves

On 30-Jun-08, at 9:40 AM, shirish wrote:

 Lemme first clear the air. I cross-posted to 2 mailing lists.

I am sure I saw both chennai and mumbai

 Now if I
 get a satisfied answer from one mailing list , should I just shut up
 or should I also make an attempt to let the other mailing list know of
 the answer I got. Perhaps they didn't know.

if you did cross post it is good etiquette to let the other mailing  
lists know what answer you got


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Re: [ilugd] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-29 Thread PJ
shirish [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


  First of all sorry for cross-posting the same query on so many lists.

So don't do that then. It irritates people and gets you bad karma.

  I read somewhere couple of days ago that Bill Gates actually got his
 source-code from some trash-bin

It's distorted in the telling.

 I don't remember the website [snip excuses]

I posted about it on this mailing list too a while ago, I think.

I'd skip out on athletics and go down to this computer center. We were moving
ahead very rapidly: Basic, FORTRAN, LISP, PDP-10 machine language, digging out
the operating system listings from the trash and studying those.

 - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/06/29/bill_gates_roots/

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Re: [ilugd] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-28 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves

On 28-Jun-08, at 10:46 AM, Raj Mathur wrote:

 cant be sold - a service can be offered around foss. Note that all
 foss developers charge service tax and not sales tax/vat

 Yes, FOSS can be sold, if you find someone to buy it.  I sold (not
 serviced) the first copy of Linux in India, and if sales tax had been
 applicable back then in the mists of time, that's what I would have
 charged.

and when you finally find a buyer for that bridge across the Yamuna  
don't forget to add octroi and VAT


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Re: [ilugd] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-28 Thread Raj Mathur
On Sunday 29 Jun 2008, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
 On 28-Jun-08, at 10:46 AM, Raj Mathur wrote:
  cant be sold - a service can be offered around foss. Note that all
  foss developers charge service tax and not sales tax/vat
 
  Yes, FOSS can be sold, if you find someone to buy it.  I sold (not
  serviced) the first copy of Linux in India, and if sales tax had
  been applicable back then in the mists of time, that's what I would
  have charged.

 and when you finally find a buyer for that bridge across the Yamuna
 don't forget to add octroi and VAT

If you don't believe me, I'd suggest you get some competent lawyer to 
read the various licences at opensource.org and explain to you how none 
of them prevents you from selling the software.

Just because a software is FOSS doesn't mean that anything prevents you 
from selling it.  Of course, usually you won't be able to sell it since 
your potential client could just download it from the 'net, or get it 
free by other means.  However, if she can't, or is willing to spend 
money on FOSS for any other reason it is perfectly legitimate and legal 
to sell her any FOSS package or distribution, and to charge any amount 
that she is willing to pay.

Some licences like the GPL force you to provide source code for a 
nominal fee along with binaries at the user's request; however, that 
nominal fee applies to the source code, not to the binaries -- there is 
no limit on how much you can charge for the binaries.

In short, not being able to sell FOSS is a limitation of the market (no 
one wants to buy it), rather than some intrinsic limitation in FOSS 
itself.

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Re: [ilugd] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-28 Thread shirish
Hi all,
 Thanx for that link. Just for people things one can look at  :-

This is the blog post which I had lost

http://www.dhanapalan.com/blog/2008/06/22/bill-gates-and-the-importance-of-source-code/

One another which I got as a reply from Ritesh Agarwal which is much
more fascinating as well. Thanx Ritesh

http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS_1.html

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Re: [ilugd] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-28 Thread shirish
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On 26-Jun-08, at 11:19 AM, shirish wrote:

 First of all sorry for cross-posting the same query on so many lists.

 and an apology justifies the cross-post?

Hi all,
 Kenneth, no an apology doesn't justify the cross-post. But if one wants
to post to couple lists as possible to get the answer I don't see any
other way.
I am open to suggestions as to how should one go about seeking answers.

As said before in my original query, I did use google and actually
also used IRC for the same.
If there is a better way to do things, I'm interested to know.
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Re: [ilugd] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-28 Thread shirish
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:37:36 +0530
From: Pratul Kalia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ilugd] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from
   trash-bin
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 First of all sorry for cross-posting the same query on so many lists.
 I read somewhere couple of days ago that Bill Gates actually got his
 source-code from some trash-bin or something like that or some part of
 it.

 Regards,
 Shirish Agarwal


 I have to say this.
 THIS IS SICK.

Well to each own's interpretation.

 Please don't spam the mailing list with trash like this. I am really
 fed-up with all the Microsoft bashing that keeps spreading around. Why
 don't you contribute and support the F/OSS movement rather than pull
 out nonsense like this? Who actually cares if Bill Gates got the
 source from a trash bin, or from a 5 legged Martian?

How did you presume or assume that I don't contribute to the FOSS movement.
Who gave you the whole right to say its nonsense.

I sincerely and seriously believe that history teaches us lot about
values and the way things are.
For me this was news when Bill G. confesses he didn't pay for his
source-code when he preaches
others to pay as license-fees for a certain Operating System.

If I am advocating a certain value-notion to other people I need to
know what other value-systems and actions are happening. That's an
obligation I have to people to whom I am advocating a certain
value-system. Otherwise how do I tell to people why or how free
software not just the program but as a philosophy is needed. Why
having GPL or any of the copyleft licenses (may they be permissive or
reciprocal but is irrelevant to the topic here) are needed at all.

 I don't use F/OSS because commercial software (read: Windows) sucks. I
 use it because F/OSS is simply much more usable and leverages more
 power to me. The F/OSS movement never had such atrocities on its
 agenda, and I advise you to refrain from it also. Concentrate on the
 positive side.

I also use FOSS for pretty much the same reasons as well.

 PS: Bill Gates did not get the source code of Windows from a trash
 bin. Study legitimate computer history for proof.

hmmm.. I got the sources from a blog post which says about a bbc interview.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7464074.stm

While I haven't seen the full interview but if they cut that segment,
I'm sure one would find
the same somewhere or the other.

Also the notion of what is positive is still a mystery to me. Please
enlighten this poor soul
in the definition of a positive side

Looking forward to comments, suggestions, additions to the same.

 cheers
 pratul

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Re: [ilugd] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-27 Thread Pratul Kalia
 First of all sorry for cross-posting the same query on so many lists.
 I read somewhere couple of days ago that Bill Gates actually got his
 source-code from some trash-bin or something like that or some part of
 it.

 Regards,
 Shirish Agarwal


I have to say this.
THIS IS SICK.

Please don't spam the mailing list with trash like this. I am really
fed-up with all the Microsoft bashing that keeps spreading around. Why
don't you contribute and support the F/OSS movement rather than pull
out nonsense like this? Who actually cares if Bill Gates got the
source from a trash bin, or from a 5 legged Martian?

I don't use F/OSS because commercial software (read: Windows) sucks. I
use it because F/OSS is simply much more usable and leverages more
power to me. The F/OSS movement never had such atrocities on its
agenda, and I advise you to refrain from it also. Concentrate on the
positive side.


PS: Bill Gates did not get the source code of Windows from a trash
bin. Study legitimate computer history for proof.

cheers
pratul

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Re: [ilugd] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-27 Thread Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल
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Re: [ilugd] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-27 Thread Pratul Kalia
 | I don't use F/OSS because commercial software (read: Windows) sucks. I

 You should've used *non-free* instead of commercial, FOSS can be sold,
 right ?

Yes, Ashish, you are right, I meant non-free (as in paid)
:-)


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Re: [ilugd] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-27 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves

On 27-Jun-08, at 1:24 PM, Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल  
wrote:

 | I don't use F/OSS because commercial software (read: Windows)  
 sucks. I

 You should've used *non-free* instead of commercial, FOSS can be sold,
 right ?

cant be sold - a service can be offered around foss. Note that all  
foss developers charge service tax and not sales tax/vat


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Re: [ilugd] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-27 Thread Raj Mathur
On Saturday 28 Jun 2008, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
 On 27-Jun-08, at 1:24 PM, Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल
 wrote:
  You should've used *non-free* instead of commercial, FOSS can be
  sold, right ?

 cant be sold - a service can be offered around foss. Note that all
 foss developers charge service tax and not sales tax/vat

Yes, FOSS can be sold, if you find someone to buy it.  I sold (not 
serviced) the first copy of Linux in India, and if sales tax had been 
applicable back then in the mists of time, that's what I would have 
charged.

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-26 Thread Sahil Dave
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 11:19 AM, shirish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,
  First of all sorry for cross-posting the same query on so many lists.
  I read somewhere couple of days ago that Bill Gates actually got his
 source-code from some trash-bin or something like that or some part of
 it.

 I don't remember the website or any of the details and the history of
 my browser doesn't hack it (meaning got no help) . Also googling
 didn't get me anywhere.

 So if this story is true, can somebody point a URL to look it up.


 i desperately hope, this story is true!! :-P


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Re: [ilugd] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-26 Thread Ritesh Agrawal
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Sahil Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 11:19 AM, shirish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi all,
   First of all sorry for cross-posting the same query on so many lists.
   I read somewhere couple of days ago that Bill Gates actually got his
  source-code from some trash-bin or something like that or some part of
  it.
 
  I don't remember the website or any of the details and the history of
  my browser doesn't hack it (meaning got no help) . Also googling
  didn't get me anywhere.
 
  So if this story is true, can somebody point a URL to look it up.


  i desperately hope, this story is true!! :-P



This story may be helpful

http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS_1.html
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Re: [ilugd] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-26 Thread Sahil Dave
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Ritesh Agrawal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


 This story may be helpful

 http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS_1.html


  great elaboration of MS!

and wat the hell was this?
http://mslinux.org/

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Re: [ilugd] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-26 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves

On 26-Jun-08, at 11:19 AM, shirish wrote:

  First of all sorry for cross-posting the same query on so many lists.

and an apology justifies the cross-post?


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[ilugd] Bill Gates got Windows 1.0 source-code from trash-bin

2008-06-25 Thread shirish
Hi all,
 First of all sorry for cross-posting the same query on so many lists.
 I read somewhere couple of days ago that Bill Gates actually got his
source-code from some trash-bin or something like that or some part of
it.

I don't remember the website or any of the details and the history of
my browser doesn't hack it (meaning got no help) . Also googling
didn't get me anywhere.

So if this story is true, can somebody point a URL to look it up.
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