Re: [ilugd] FOSS Friendly budget 2008?
Nishant Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now, considering most of the FOSS deployment in India is provided as a service either by individual consultants or companies, which invites a service tax of 12.5%. This did cross my mind while listening to PC (Palaniappan Chidambaram - not personal computer) during his budget speech. He did mention taxes on customised software too. Now, how does 12% excise on package software work to be more expensive than 12.5 (or more as Rahul puts it) service tax on customised software? Is this not FOSS unfriendly? -- Mahesh T. Pai http://paivakil.blogspot.com/ This signature is generated on a Debian GNU/Linux system by Signify v1.14. For more information visit http://www.debian.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] FOSS Friendly budget 2008?
Hi, I was just wondering if this budget is FOSS friendly indirectly. Excise duty on packaged softwares is raised to 12%. Now, considering most of the FOSS deployment in India is provided as a service either by individual consultants or companies, which invites a service tax of 12.5%. Any ideas? -N -- Peace, Love and Compile the kernel. http://www.nishants.net Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online at http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS Friendly budget 2008?
On 29-Feb-08, at 2:59 PM, Nishant Sharma wrote: Now, considering most of the FOSS deployment in India is provided as a service either by individual consultants or companies, which invites a service tax of 12.5%. i hope that a blueprint for a massive agitation on this point is one of the results of the upto-now-ultra-secret-freed-conclave -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS Friendly budget 2008?
Very interesting insight...yes...it does seem that this budget has put packaged software almost at par with customised software development (services) w.r.t. taxes. I was a bit unsure if it would affect open source brands like Red Hat and Novell, since they sold service license with seemingly packaged software, but Amit Boraskar (at Red Hat) has clarified that Red Hat typically sells support services and hence pays service tax only. I am trying to talk to other OSS players (and some from the proprietary world too) to try and further update on this issue. Rahul, LFY -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nishant Sharma Sent: 29 February 2008 15:00 To: ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org Subject: [ilugd] FOSS Friendly budget 2008? Hi, I was just wondering if this budget is FOSS friendly indirectly. Excise duty on packaged softwares is raised to 12%. Now, considering most of the FOSS deployment in India is provided as a service either by individual consultants or companies, which invites a service tax of 12.5%. Any ideas? -N -- Peace, Love and Compile the kernel. http://www.nishants.net Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online at http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS Friendly budget 2008?
On 29-Feb-08, at 3:47 PM, Rahul Chopra wrote: support services and hence pays service tax only. only === 12.5% -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS Friendly budget 2008?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kenneth Gonsalves Sent: 29 February 2008 15:55 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: Re: [ilugd] FOSS Friendly budget 2008? On 29-Feb-08, at 3:47 PM, Rahul Chopra wrote: support services and hence pays service tax only. only === 12.5% strictly speaking the service tax would be 12.36% (12.24% + educationcal cess)...hope this helps :-) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS Friendly budget 2008?
dear all, On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Nishant Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I was just wondering if this budget is FOSS friendly indirectly. Excise duty on packaged softwares is raised to 12%. Now, considering most of the FOSS deployment in India is provided as a service either by individual consultants or companies, which invites a service tax of 12.5%. Any ideas? taxing packaged software does not necessarily mean the budget is FOSS friendly. i would call the budget foss-friendly ONLY IF this tax, or some part of this tax, is used by the government to fund, support, nurture, adopt, and further FOSS development and deployment in the country and globally. is that really happening? that's the question rahul's journalists should be asking the PR guys at the two ministries, as well as experts. (FOSS-cess?) if the answer is no, then the question is to wonder, why not. another point: a packaged software may attract 12% excise, but how does that level the ground with foss? what we're assuming here is that the retailprice = foss-service-or-equivalent-price. when is the last time the 'retail' of winxp = debian / fedora or whatever. in fact even comparing the two is incorrect as winxp is sans an office suite, while a distro will contain hundreds or even thousands of applications as well. so add the equivalent retail price of a cd-burner software, graphics-editing package, development tools, etc. thirdly, how would this impact bundled software? i mean, would a mac cost more since it ships with an OS that also has its own retail price? xbox? playstation? regards niyam -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS Friendly budget 2008?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Linux Lingam wrote: | taxing packaged software does not necessarily mean the budget is FOSS | friendly. i would call the budget foss-friendly ONLY IF this tax, or | some part of this tax, is used by the government to fund, support, | nurture, adopt, and further FOSS development and deployment in the | country and globally. Venkatesh pointed out this URL to me the other day: http://planningcommission.nic.in/aboutus/committee/wrkgrp11/wg11_IT.pdf [~ 3 MB] The intent is fairly well defined, the will to action needs to be measured - -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHx+1dXQZpNTcrCzMRAjYGAJsHERe+/egWEu2i68wCNtd7QLLvYQCgsY7Z Sict6WYNjhZZG4Z7jM5DkFs= =N5HX -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS Friendly budget 2008?
Venkatesh pointed out this URL to me the other day: http://planningcommission.nic.in/aboutus/committee/wrkgrp11/wg11_IT.pdf [~ 3 MB] The intent is fairly well defined, the will to action needs to be measured plain htm summary somewhere? niyam - niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FOSS Friendly budget 2008?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Linux Lingam wrote: | plain htm summary somewhere? The fine gentleman who had passed the PDF link had also expressed the intent to summarize it on his very fine blog ;) ie you-know-whom-to-poke - -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHyAwmXQZpNTcrCzMRAtP5AJ923elvRccFwhpFRgYK7cMZyLGJ/gCgoBFY abF1oj9eWiNYvt51h7hxmt4= =M/UI -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
