Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
--- Anand Shankar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it not have been more useful if we had first found that there is ALREADY an existing wikipedia link to ilugd, made it more useful in terms of broader activities we do and then have a specific mention of freedel / freed. As it is now, there are three entries on wikipedia one with ilugd, second one with freedel and the third on freed.in. Not in my opinion. Keeping in mind the tenets of data normalization, three separate entities which refer to each other make for better organization and future expandability. Would you club the World Cup article with FIFA's? Can we see the these pages now and re-ponder on the debate we had and points raised by Kenneth? Do you *really* want to? :) - Viksit Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
On 8/18/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18-Aug-07, at 8:32 AM, Raj Mathur wrote: [rest of rather weak justification for rant snipped] my opinion is that wikipedia is not the place to advertise forthcoming events. Sorry for being late in this discussion: Would it not have been more useful if we had first found that there is ALREADY an existing wikipedia link to ilugd, made it more useful in terms of broader activities we do and then have a specific mention of freedel / freed. As it is now, there are three entries on wikipedia one with ilugd, second one with freedel and the third on freed.in. Can we see the these pages now and re-ponder on the debate we had and points raised by Kenneth? anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
On Wednesday 22 August 2007 08:12, Anand Shankar wrote: On 8/18/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18-Aug-07, at 8:32 AM, Raj Mathur wrote: [rest of rather weak justification for rant snipped] my opinion is that wikipedia is not the place to advertise forthcoming events. Sorry for being late in this discussion: Would it not have been more useful if we had first found that there is ALREADY an existing wikipedia link to ilugd, made it more useful in terms of broader activities we do and then have a specific mention of freedel / freed. As it is now, there are three entries on wikipedia one with ilugd, second one with freedel and the third on freed.in. I've made changes to all three pages with cross-references. Please check if it looks OK now. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology Software || September 2007 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
On 22-Aug-07, at 10:03 AM, Raj Mathur wrote: of freedel / freed. As it is now, there are three entries on wikipedia one with ilugd, second one with freedel and the third on freed.in. I've made changes to all three pages with cross-references. Please check if it looks OK now. looks ok to me -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
Freed page on wikipedia is created http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freed -- Freed.in http://freed.in Freedome In Technology Software Experience the freedom, excitement, and fun on September 28-29, 2007 at the School of Information Technology, Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi. Honey Singh www.hostcurry.com http://honeytechblog.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
On 8/17/07, Honey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freed page on wikipedia is created http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freed great idea ! the entry needs to talk about freed.in the overall event, and then the sep2k7 instance of the event. therefore, freed.in the event, should be represented by the freed.in logo. the sep2k7 event can be represented by the banner. these are two different things. classes and instances... :-) niyam -- Freed.in http://freed.in Freedome In Technology Software Experience the freedom, excitement, and fun on September 28-29, 2007 at the School of Information Technology, Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi. Honey Singh www.hostcurry.com http://honeytechblog.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
On 17-Aug-07, at 2:39 PM, Honey wrote: Freed page on wikipedia is created http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freed omg - you cant do this - please remove it -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
On Friday 17 August 2007 14:54, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 17-Aug-07, at 2:39 PM, Honey wrote: Freed page on wikipedia is created http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freed omg - you cant do this - please remove it Of course he can, he already did! Is there an issue with letting Wikipedia users know about the existence of freed.in? Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology Software || September 2007 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
On 17-Aug-07, at 3:05 PM, Raj Mathur wrote: On Friday 17 August 2007 14:54, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 17-Aug-07, at 2:39 PM, Honey wrote: Freed page on wikipedia is created http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freed omg - you cant do this - please remove it Of course he can, he already did! Is there an issue with letting Wikipedia users know about the existence of freed.in? yes there is - please read guidelines for articles in wikipedia. Please try to understand what wikipedia is all about. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
On 8/17/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17-Aug-07, at 3:05 PM, Raj Mathur wrote: On Friday 17 August 2007 14:54, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 17-Aug-07, at 2:39 PM, Honey wrote: Freed page on wikipedia is created http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freed omg - you cant do this - please remove it Of course he can, he already did! Is there an issue with letting Wikipedia users know about the existence of freed.in? yes there is - please read guidelines for articles in wikipedia. Please try to understand what wikipedia is all about. There should be no issues! at all ;-) If there are then do remove these too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOSS.IN http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O'Reilly_Open_Source_Convention http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Ohio_Conference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slamdance_Film_Festival ( and many many more) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- o1p2e3n4g5l6 http://saleem.a.ansari.googlepages.com/ http://www.jmilug.org/ http://www.csijmi.com/ Linux User #414799 (http://counter.li.org/) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
On Friday 17 August 2007 15:11, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 17-Aug-07, at 3:05 PM, Raj Mathur wrote: Of course he can, he already did! Is there an issue with letting Wikipedia users know about the existence of freed.in? yes there is - please read guidelines for articles in wikipedia. Please try to understand what wikipedia is all about. I have read the guidelines. Can you be more specific about which one(s) the article is violating? Remember, specifics please. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology Software || September 2007 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
On 8/17/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17-Aug-07, at 2:51 PM, Linux Lingam wrote: Freed page on wikipedia is created http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freed great idea ! wikipedia is not the place to advertise events - only jerks publicise themselves there - please dont spoil the reputation of freedel/freed by doing this. (I am suprised no one has removed it). When the event grows in stature - then wikipedia will report/chronicle the same. Its not a add ,its A festival A ceremony A competition A party its a *Philosophy* Freedome In Technology Software So i don't think their might be any problem in publishing a philosphy on wiki. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Honey Singh www.hostcurry.com http://honeytechblog.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
On 17-Aug-07, at 3:24 PM, Saleem Ansari wrote: Please try to understand what wikipedia is all about. There should be no issues! at all ;-) If there are then do remove these too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOSS.IN http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O'Reilly_Open_Source_Convention http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Ohio_Conference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slamdance_Film_Festival ( and many many more) from wikipedia freed.in advertisement page: quote This article does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. (help, get involved!) Unverifiable material may be challenged and removed. /quote and this: quote Categories: Articles lacking sources from June 2006 | All articles lacking sources /quote do any of the other articles have these comments attached? Instead of sounding off - try to understand that wikipedia insists that all materials on wikipedia *must* be secondary information and not primary information. Wikipedia strongly opposes original material. And this blatant advertising for freed is just going to confirm the opinion held in many places that we are a nation of jerks. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
On 17-Aug-07, at 3:27 PM, Raj Mathur wrote: yes there is - please read guidelines for articles in wikipedia. Please try to understand what wikipedia is all about. I have read the guidelines. Can you be more specific about which one(s) the article is violating? i have answered in the thread as a reply to another article, but in brief: quote Wikipedia content is intended to be factual, notable, verifiable with external sources, and neutrally presented, with external sources cited. /quote not one refereince, no external sources, not neutral 'we are doing this - we will be doing that' - this is an appropriate post for wikinews, not wikipedia. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
On 8/17/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17-Aug-07, at 3:27 PM, Raj Mathur wrote: yes there is - please read guidelines for articles in wikipedia. Please try to understand what wikipedia is all about. I have read the guidelines. Can you be more specific about which one(s) the article is violating? i have answered in the thread as a reply to another article, but in brief: quote Wikipedia content is intended to be factual, notable, verifiable with external sources, and neutrally presented, with external sources cited. /quote not one refereince, no external sources, not neutral 'we are doing this - we will be doing that' - this is an appropriate post for wikinews, not wikipedia. My sentiments exactly. Also, why isn't the entry Freed.in instead of Freed? (Grabbing the most popular keywords huh, forget about accuracy!) This is certainly not the way to promote Freed.in. And the editing has been done shabbily, with the original entry for Freed left as it is down at the bottom. This is just wrong. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
The point is not to remove it, (( omg - you cant do this - please remove it )) but to improve it! right? (( quote This article does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. (help, get involved!) Unverifiable material may be challenged and removed. /quote )) So why not add references ( valid ones ) to the article? There have been events in the past ( named Freedel ), so there is lot to be put in there. And ( perhaps ) rename the article form freed to freed.in ( suggests Anupam ). So that it becomes factual, notable, verifiable with external sources cited. BUT not `remove` it. (( quote Wikipedia content is intended to be factual, notable, verifiable with external sources, and neutrally presented, with external sources cited. /quote )) freed.in Rocks !! On 17-Aug-07, at 5:36 PM, Anupam Jain wrote: not one refereince, no external sources, not neutral 'we are doing this - we will be doing that' - this is an appropriate post for wikinews, not wikipedia. My sentiments exactly. Also, why isn't the entry Freed.in instead of Freed? (Grabbing the most popular keywords huh, forget about accuracy!) This is certainly not the way to promote Freed.in. And the editing has been done shabbily, with the original entry for Freed left as it is down at the bottom. This is just wrong. of course, i *have* noticed that wikipedia editors tend to be a little lenient with stuff coming out of India as they feel we are a backward country and, if judged by stricter western standards, may get discouraged - so the article *may* slip through. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- o1p2e3n4g5l6 http://saleem.a.ansari.googlepages.com/ http://www.jmilug.org/ http://www.csijmi.com/ Linux User #414799 (http://counter.li.org/) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
On Friday 17 August 2007 17:36, Anupam Jain wrote: [snip] My sentiments exactly. Also, why isn't the entry Freed.in instead of Freed? (Grabbing the most popular keywords huh, forget about accuracy!) This is certainly not the way to promote Freed.in. And the editing has been done shabbily, with the original entry for Freed left as it is down at the bottom. This is just wrong. You know the nice thing about Wikipedia? Anyone can go in and fix things! That includes you. If you don't like something in the article, please feel free to edit and fix. Let's have some /constructive/ criticism for a change. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology Software || September 2007 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
On 8/17/07, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 17 August 2007 17:36, Anupam Jain wrote: [snip] My sentiments exactly. Also, why isn't the entry Freed.in instead of Freed? (Grabbing the most popular keywords huh, forget about accuracy!) This is certainly not the way to promote Freed.in. And the editing has been done shabbily, with the original entry for Freed left as it is down at the bottom. This is just wrong. You know the nice thing about Wikipedia? Anyone can go in and fix things! That includes you. If you don't like something in the article, please feel free to edit and fix. Let's have some /constructive/ criticism for a change. Agreed totally. I *could* have fixed it but I am not the one with appropriate content on Freed.in.. I was just giving the person who originally made the entry a chance to fix things. If that doesn't happen, I'll fix it myself when I get the time. -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
On Friday 17 August 2007 15:41, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 17-Aug-07, at 3:24 PM, Saleem Ansari wrote: Please try to understand what wikipedia is all about. There should be no issues! at all ;-) If there are then do remove these too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOSS.IN http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O'Reilly_Open_Source_Convention http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Ohio_Conference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slamdance_Film_Festival ( and many many more) from wikipedia freed.in advertisement page: quote This article does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. (help, get involved!) Unverifiable material may be challenged and removed. /quote Well, help improve it then! and this: quote Categories: Articles lacking sources from June 2006 | All articles lacking sources /quote do any of the other articles have these comments attached? Instead of sounding off - try to understand that wikipedia insists that all materials on wikipedia *must* be secondary information and not primary information. Wikipedia strongly opposes original material. And this blatant advertising for freed is just going to confirm the opinion held in many places that we are a nation of jerks. OK, since you appear to be most concerned about India's image, why don't you fix issues with the article (and thereby improve the global perception of India and Indians)? Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology Software || September 2007 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
On Friday 17 August 2007 18:49, Anupam Jain wrote: [snip] Agreed totally. I *could* have fixed it but I am not the one with appropriate content on Freed.in.. I was just giving the person who originally made the entry a chance to fix things. If that doesn't happen, I'll fix it myself when I get the time. Thank you, look forward to it. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology Software || September 2007 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
do any of the other articles have these comments attached? Instead of sounding off - try to understand that wikipedia insists that all materials on wikipedia *must* be secondary information and not primary information. Wikipedia strongly opposes original material. And this blatant advertising for freed is just going to confirm the opinion held in many places that we are a nation of jerks. i agree with raj's comment below, to what kenneth says in the para above. look forward to kenneth making a positive contribution to wikipedia, and thereby with his own hands undoing the image of india *kenneth perceives* gets projected abroad with well-meaning and perhaps poorly-implemented wikipedia entries. ok kenneth you do that, and in celebration of YOUR effort and initiative, i'll celebrate kenneth's positive small contribution to the community with a round of samosas and chai at the next ilug-D meeting, being held this sunday. am sure kishore will be very happy to click and publish photos of those attending ilug-d, commemorating your pitching-in and helping the community and freed.in in a positive, constructive way. thanks also for sharing with us on how we can contribute in the right way to wikipedia. please lead us all by example. OK, since you appear to be most concerned about India's image, why don't you fix issues with the article (and thereby improve the global perception of India and Indians)? er.. kenneth's perception of (perception of india and indians). if wikipedia moderated publicly-archived emails to a mailing list, i'm sure they'd add their customary '[citation needed]'. :-) niyam Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
Good LORD! Gotta love discussions on issues which require about 15 minutes to fix, and perhaps double that typing out philosophies on why not to. Kenneth - your opinions on this matter, imho, are rather baseless. Wikipedia does have issues against original research, but NOT articles which cite references - (to pages outside of wikipedia as a primary source of information). Of course, keeping them NPOV (Neutral Point of view) is an art, which I do agree a lot of potential article authors are not well versed with. As for articles with 'comments' attached - thats the general rule on any encyclopaedia. You cite references before you make claims, and automated bots/human editors run around on the website, checking whether these things are done or not. Its the norm, not the exception. Note to whoever made logos (Niyam?) - Please attribute a license to them, and change it on the images page on the (updated) wikipedia article. And mention it on the freed.in website too. Perhaps a press kit would be a good idea - logos, and a small blurb ready made for anyone who wants to cover it. - Viksit --- Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do any of the other articles have these comments attached? Instead of sounding off - try to understand that wikipedia insists that all materials on wikipedia *must* be secondary information and not primary information. Wikipedia strongly opposes original material. And this blatant advertising for freed is just going to confirm the opinion held in many places that we are a nation of jerks. i agree with raj's comment below, to what kenneth says in the para above. look forward to kenneth making a positive contribution to wikipedia, and thereby with his own hands undoing the image of india *kenneth perceives* gets projected abroad with well-meaning and perhaps poorly-implemented wikipedia entries. ok kenneth you do that, and in celebration of YOUR effort and initiative, i'll celebrate kenneth's positive small contribution to the community with a round of samosas and chai at the next ilug-D meeting, being held this sunday. am sure kishore will be very happy to click and publish photos of those attending ilug-d, commemorating your pitching-in and helping the community and freed.in in a positive, constructive way. thanks also for sharing with us on how we can contribute in the right way to wikipedia. please lead us all by example. OK, since you appear to be most concerned about India's image, why don't you fix issues with the article (and thereby improve the global perception of India and Indians)? er.. kenneth's perception of (perception of india and indians). if wikipedia moderated publicly-archived emails to a mailing list, i'm sure they'd add their customary '[citation needed]'. :-) niyam Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Viksit Gaur viksit at aya dot yale dot edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
Oh, and did I mention the updated article now lives at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freed.in, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freed is a disambiguation page, which points to the former, amongst other things? Right, I just did. --- Viksit Gaur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good LORD! Gotta love discussions on issues which require about 15 minutes to fix, and perhaps double that typing out philosophies on why not to. Kenneth - your opinions on this matter, imho, are rather baseless. Wikipedia does have issues against original research, but NOT articles which cite references - (to pages outside of wikipedia as a primary source of information). Of course, keeping them NPOV (Neutral Point of view) is an art, which I do agree a lot of potential article authors are not well versed with. As for articles with 'comments' attached - thats the general rule on any encyclopaedia. You cite references before you make claims, and automated bots/human editors run around on the website, checking whether these things are done or not. Its the norm, not the exception. Note to whoever made logos (Niyam?) - Please attribute a license to them, and change it on the images page on the (updated) wikipedia article. And mention it on the freed.in website too. Perhaps a press kit would be a good idea - logos, and a small blurb ready made for anyone who wants to cover it. - Viksit --- Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do any of the other articles have these comments attached? Instead of sounding off - try to understand that wikipedia insists that all materials on wikipedia *must* be secondary information and not primary information. Wikipedia strongly opposes original material. And this blatant advertising for freed is just going to confirm the opinion held in many places that we are a nation of jerks. i agree with raj's comment below, to what kenneth says in the para above. look forward to kenneth making a positive contribution to wikipedia, and thereby with his own hands undoing the image of india *kenneth perceives* gets projected abroad with well-meaning and perhaps poorly-implemented wikipedia entries. ok kenneth you do that, and in celebration of YOUR effort and initiative, i'll celebrate kenneth's positive small contribution to the community with a round of samosas and chai at the next ilug-D meeting, being held this sunday. am sure kishore will be very happy to click and publish photos of those attending ilug-d, commemorating your pitching-in and helping the community and freed.in in a positive, constructive way. thanks also for sharing with us on how we can contribute in the right way to wikipedia. please lead us all by example. OK, since you appear to be most concerned about India's image, why don't you fix issues with the article (and thereby improve the global perception of India and Indians)? er.. kenneth's perception of (perception of india and indians). if wikipedia moderated publicly-archived emails to a mailing list, i'm sure they'd add their customary '[citation needed]'. :-) niyam Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Viksit Gaur viksit at aya dot yale dot edu http://viksit.com Just because you have a mind like a hammer doesn't mean you should treat everyone else like a nail - Terry Pratchett Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
On 8/18/07, Viksit Gaur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and did I mention the updated article now lives at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freed.in, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freed is a disambiguation page, which points to the former, amongst other things? Right, I just did. Good Work Vikshit , You Rock Dude -- See you at 'Freed.in - freedom in technology software' - India's leading free and open source community event. 28- 29 September 2007, New Delhi. Entry free, on first come basis. Register at http://Freed.in Linux User #348873 ILUGD General Secretary, GZLUG Moderator RKGIT Alumni(Guiding Light) Software Engineer , UnitedVillages http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
On 17-Aug-07, at 6:52 PM, Raj Mathur wrote: OK, since you appear to be most concerned about India's image, why don't you fix issues with the article (and thereby improve the global perception of India and Indians)? seems that someone has fixed it -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
On 17-Aug-07, at 11:34 PM, Linux Lingam wrote: i agree with raj's comment below, to what kenneth says in the para above. look forward to kenneth making a positive contribution to wikipedia, i have no material at hand to make any positive contribution to this particular subject - but since viksit has fixed it, the question is now moot. i am still of the opinion that if an event/person is important enough, it will get into wikipedia when it deserves to and it is not ethical for organisers/supporters of the event/person to force the issue. I am also of the opinion that appropriate content should be put in appropriate places - the place for the announcement of a forthcoming event is wikinews - and if the news builds up enough, and if the event is worthy enough, it will make it's own way into wikipedia. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
On 18-Aug-07, at 1:32 AM, Viksit Gaur wrote: Gotta love discussions on issues which require about 15 minutes to fix, and perhaps double that typing out philosophies on why not to. there are three ways to fix something broken in wikipedia: 1. fix it in wikipedia - given that you have the material and interest to do so and are willing to face the storm about editing ... 2. raise the issue in the discussion page next to the article 3. raise the issue in this mailing list - which may (hopefully) raise consciousness about wikipedia and did (thankfully) result in action It may take longer to teach a person to fish than to actually buy a fish and give it to him. If my rants have succeeded in convincing people to approach adding/editing stuff like this in wikipedia with extreme caution and respect for rules - I am happy. Kenneth - your opinions on this matter, imho, are rather baseless. my opinion is that wikipedia is not the place to advertise forthcoming events. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Freed.in on Wikipedia
On 18-Aug-07, at 8:32 AM, Raj Mathur wrote: [rest of rather weak justification for rant snipped] my opinion is that wikipedia is not the place to advertise forthcoming events. I call it making information about the event available to a wider audience; you call it advertising. In the absence of the nomenclature police and their ever-energetic hockey sticks to settle the issue once and for all, can we just agree to differ over this for now? sure - you have every right to be wrong -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
