Re: [ilugd] Moodle, elearning and cyberspace...
in infinite wisdom Shakthi Kannan spoke thus On 12/17/2006 10:16 AM: Have you tried opening up a CMS from a dial-up connection in any rural place in India? It will be pathetically slow. I don't think cms are inherently slow. My own site runs joomla and serendipity and I live on dial-up at home. However, I don't find it painfully slow (a bit slow, but workable). One cheap method for preserving bandwidth is to have mod_deflate (or mod_gzip in apache 1). Another trick is to make your sites mostly-textual. There are sites which can measure the speed of your site and recommend you what to do. Using those sites to actually measure your site's speed will be better instead of dismissing a good system based on a 'hunch'. -- raj shekhar facts: http://rajshekhar.net | opinions: http://rajshekhar.net/blog I dare do all that may become a man; Who dares do more is none. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Moodle, elearning and cyberspace...
On 17/12/06, Raj Shekhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are sites which can measure the speed of your site and recommend you what to do. Using those sites to actually measure your site's speed will be better instead of dismissing a good system based on a 'hunch'. Quote some please? -- Regards, Sudev Barar ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Moodle, elearning and cyberspace...
On 17/12/06, Shakthi Kannan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about colleges in and around Delhi. But, in Tamil Nadu, Kerala, and Karnataka that I have seen, most of the so-called engineering colleges: * are in the outskirts of cities/towns/villages. Does this prevent them from havingdecent intranet? * there are limited computer labs and computers, compared to the number of students who are admitted. * no 24x7 lab facilities. Even if they were 24x7, it wouldn't be sufficient for the entire admitted students to use the limited lab resources ... (1) There are technologies like LTSP available to bring down hardware / software costs. BUT if there is will on part of college authorities and techers to go beyond M$ mindset. * Very few colleges permit hostel students to have personal computers. Even if they did, there wouldn't be a *decent* Internet connection. Choice of Internet connection is usually that of the college management. * Hostels that provide an Internet lab have very few computers, same problem as (1). That is the shame. Even at risk of going OT here but I must comment that many colleges offering computer courses are nothing but money business for the owners. They are able to get by because the parents or students do not look at colleges and their infrastructure before joining them. First the government created artificial shortage by not allowing many private colleges and the effect is that even now many people feel lucky to get addmission in to a college based on entrance tests / donations. To hell with what they are actually able to offer. Knowledge wise it my be much better for students to join diploma courses from some better computer shops than get a degree. -- Regards, Sudev Barar ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Moodle, elearning and cyberspace...
On 17-Dec-06, at 11:18 PM, Raj Shekhar wrote: I don't think cms are inherently slow. My own site runs joomla and serendipity and I live on dial-up at home i view mine with gprs - no problems. The secret is to keep to text - unless your site doesnt have content, in which case you need sexy graphics to cover that up -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Moodle, elearning and cyberspace...
Hi, On 12/18/06, Sudev Barar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/12/06, Shakthi Kannan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * are in the outskirts of cities/towns/villages. Does this prevent them from havingdecent intranet? Not to use the Internet. But, the real questions should be how many computers in the Intranet to service how many students, and at what times, and for how long. Even at risk of going OT here but I must comment that many colleges offering computer courses are nothing but money business for the owners. They are able to get by because the parents or students do not look at colleges and their infrastructure before joining them. Agreed. I'll stop here. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Moodle, elearning and cyberspace...
On 12/15/06, Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS: Thanks to Derek, an engineering student, for setting up Moodle! Would like to talk to some engineering students about implementation of moodle in their colleges , It might be useful for our college too. -- Linux User #348873 ILUGD Commitee Member, GZLUG , DGLUG Moderator B.Tech 4th Year Computer Science , RKGIT , Ghaziabad http://rockybhai.blogspot.com When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Moodle, elearning and cyberspace...
Hi, My thoughts below: On 12/17/06, Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would like to talk to some engineering students about implementation of moodle in their colleges , It might be useful for our college too. Have you tried opening up a CMS from a dial-up connection in any rural place in India? It will be pathetically slow. It is only the metropolitan cities that have the so-called broadband. Most colleges are outside city locations and even though may get so-called high-speed connections, it really isn't that high-speend high-bandwidth. IMO, the idea of moodle for education is useful _only_ if it is meant to be used inside a college campus, provided the college has a decent LAN and enough computers for all students to use. If they make it available in the Internet, then day-scholar students on dial-up will find it very difficult to use. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Moodle, elearning and cyberspace...
On 12/17/06, Shakthi Kannan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried opening up a CMS from a dial-up connection in any rural place in India? It will be pathetically slow. I agree the basic implementation of any site can make it quite slow, espically for rural areas. But i was not targeting rural areas ,did i ? If they make it available in the Internet, then day-scholar students on dial-up will find it very difficult to use. Just check out vsnl dial-up service they are good enough to surf at a decent speed -- Linux User #348873 ILUGD Commitee Member, GZLUG , DGLUG Moderator B.Tech 4th Year Computer Science , RKGIT , Ghaziabad http://rockybhai.blogspot.com When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Moodle, elearning and cyberspace...
Hi Gaurav, On 12/17/06, Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But i was not targeting rural areas ,did i ? Agreed. I was looking at a wider spectrum. I don't know about colleges in and around Delhi. But, in Tamil Nadu, Kerala, and Karnataka that I have seen, most of the so-called engineering colleges: * are in the outskirts of cities/towns/villages. * there are limited computer labs and computers, compared to the number of students who are admitted. * no 24x7 lab facilities. Even if they were 24x7, it wouldn't be sufficient for the entire admitted students to use the limited lab resources ... (1) * Very few colleges permit hostel students to have personal computers. Even if they did, there wouldn't be a *decent* Internet connection. Choice of Internet connection is usually that of the college management. * Hostels that provide an Internet lab have very few computers, same problem as (1). There are widely seen. There are very, very few exceptional colleges. Cheers, SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Moodle, elearning and cyberspace...
Hi All: I'm planning to set up Moodle on my server, and encourage educators wanting to run free courses to set up content there. Needless to say, I don't plan to charge (since the server space was made available free by a geek in London ... and the software comes for free). If you would like to start and run some course from here, just get in touch. Take a look at http://elearning.goa-india.org/ and ask me to create a password for you, with suitable permissions. FN PS: Thanks to Derek, an engineering student, for setting up Moodle! MOODLE: Moodle is a free software/open source e-learning platform (also known as a Course Management System (CMS) or Virtual Learning Environment (VLE)). It has a significant user base with 18,204 registered sites with 7,270,260 users in 712,531 courses (as of November 15, 2006). Moodle is designed to help educators create online courses with opportunities for rich interaction. Its open source license and modular design means that many people can develop additional functionality, and development is undertaken by a globally diffuse network of commercial and non-commercial users, spearheaded by the Moodle company based in Perth, Western Australia. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moodle] Knowledge is power... share it equitably. -- FN M: 0091 9822122436 P: +91-832-240-9490 (after 1300IST please) http://fn.goa-india.org http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com http://www.goa-india.org http://feeds.goa-india.org/index.php ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
