Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Srinivasan Sundararajan]

hi all:
am thankful to satyaakam for drawing my attention to the ILUG-D
discussion thread on this topic.
since i am a new entrant to the list, i hope you will bear with me for
starting this as a new msg, instead of reply to the existing thread.

would like to share the following brief info about the NRCFOSS / BOSS workshops.
-
“FOSS Demystified” workshops -- organized by C-DAC BOSS Centres

So far held in Bengaluru (15th Jul), Noida (29 Jul – in Delhi), Mohali
(31st Jul), Hyderabad (5th Aug), Thiruvananthapuram (12th Aug), Kolkata
(19th Aug) and Delhi (26th Aug).

There will be one in Mumbai (15th Sep) and the last of the series  in
Chennai (23rd Sep is the likely date).

Target group : mainly Government officials, but participants have also
been from academia from other groups.

General agenda : FOSS overview, demo of BOSS distro, a brief presentation
on BOSS deployment done (e.g., at Palakkad dist/taluk offices, Chattisgarh
- CHOICE (Chattisgarh Online Information System for Citizen Empowerment)
project, etc.)

The main idea is to create an awarness about FOSS and entice them to look
for FOSS-based solutions.

At some of these workshop, Inaugural / key note address by eminent persons
(to make an impact on the participants) : e.g., Niyam Bhushan at Mohali ;
Dr Debesh Das, Min.-in-C of IT, Govt. of West Bengal ; Prof Srivatsan,
Pro-Vice Chancellor, IGNOU ; DG, NIC ; Shri Sitaram Chamarty, TCS
Hyderabad

with best wishes
Srinivasan.

Dr. S. Srinivasan
Project Scientist, NRCFOSS
C-DAC Chennai
srinivas...@cdac.in

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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Nalin Savara]

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:37 AM, Karanbir Singh wrote:

> On 08/26/2009 10:58 PM, Nalin Savara wrote:
>
>> This is a proprietary compiler based on gcc-- which compiles to generate
>> code targetted at a MIPS microprocessor used in a consumer electronics
>> device.
>>
> ...
>
>  Karan, if we cannot agree-- then let us agree to disagree-- as gentlemen.
>>
>
> I dont haveto agree with you on anything, what you were saying in your
> emails is essentially FUD. I've only tried to point that out to you in
> slightly clearer terms.
>
> With due respect to you-- I said "we can disagree as gentlemen".

I'm not asking you to agree-- but I am asking that for the sake of this
list-- we behave as gentlemen.

The part about my views being FUD -- is your own opinion which you are
welcome to-- but which you'd better not present as the gospel truth.

GET THAT ?

Thanks and Regards,

NS
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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Karanbir Singh]

On 08/26/2009 10:58 PM, Nalin Savara wrote:

This is a proprietary compiler based on gcc-- which compiles to generate
code targetted at a MIPS microprocessor used in a consumer electronics
device.

...


Karan, if we cannot agree-- then let us agree to disagree-- as gentlemen.


I dont haveto agree with you on anything, what you were saying in your 
emails is essentially FUD. I've only tried to point that out to you in 
slightly clearer terms.


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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Nalin Savara]

> On 08/26/2009 11:38 AM, Anupam Jain wrote:
>
>> I am not familiar with the Boss Linux team but over the past 2-3 years
>> I've had run-ins with other Govt. agencies building Linux
>> distributions (yes there are others and their functioning is obscure
>> by design.). But you would not see my chest swell up with pride, for
>> these may technically be open source projects but the spirit is
>> proprietary and the hidden agenda behind any such govt. effort is
>> pretty clear
>>
>
@Anupam :

+1 from me (about lack of visibility)
However-- what you say may or may not be the case-- but I believe we are not
the authorities to judge that. And I do strongly believe that something good
may yet come out of it-- products take a long time to fructify-- and in a
govt sponsored effort, it's often sensible for a team to just keep at what
one is doing-- as debate before one has achieved something can cause a
effort (in a govt setting) to get shot down.

That's just my opinion- which you may differ with.
And I stand by my view that it's better to contribute (given a chance) than
to criticize.

@Karan:
>What project is that then ? and whats your contribution there ?
>
This is a proprietary compiler based on gcc-- which compiles to generate
code targetted at a MIPS microprocessor used in a consumer electronics
device.

Karan, if we cannot agree-- then let us agree to disagree-- as gentlemen.

Your remarks that "I seriously hope for the well being of the project ..."
are totally unnecessary and uncalled for and amount to a personal attack.

You better STOP THIS NOW. OK ?

I stand by what I have said-- and I believe that while your views may be
different and acceptable to many, my views are valid too.

Maybe someday we will have a chance to talk in person-- have a serious
debate-- but until then, it's best if you dont (without knowing anything
about me or my background) do not blindly make random and vicious remarks.


Thanks and Regards,

Nalin
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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Karanbir Singh]

On 08/26/2009 11:38 AM, Anupam Jain wrote:

I am not familiar with the Boss Linux team but over the past 2-3 years
I've had run-ins with other Govt. agencies building Linux
distributions (yes there are others and their functioning is obscure
by design.). But you would not see my chest swell up with pride, for
these may technically be open source projects but the spirit is
proprietary and the hidden agenda behind any such govt. effort is
pretty clear


This is one reason why I am a big proponent of doing this sort of work, 
when using public money, under the aegis of an Academic Institution.


The dynamics change quite dramatically :)


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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Anupam Jain]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Firstly, I dont think you understand Open Source as a whole, and Linux in
> specific.
>
> On 08/25/2009 11:55 AM, Nalin Savara wrote:
>>
>> I had been exposed to more specific overtures of Microsoft to policy
>> makers
>> etc-- and that scares me and pushes me to contribute and/or actually
>> encourage people who are contributing to FOSS in india.
>
> Open Source has nothing to do with Microsoft. eg. There are many many open
> source projects that only aim to target usability on the MS platforms. Apple
> / Sun / IBM / Cisco etc are all in the same boat. Open source does not, as
> an idea, target any commercial product vendor. The main aim is about choice
> and the existence of that choice, even when working with closed vendor
> solutions.
>
> To give you a more specific example, since you seem very new to the whole
> world of open source, is the whole noise around Microsoft Word. Noone has
> any problems with MS-Word and what its capable of and what it looks like or
> what it does. None is asking for it to be 'open sourced'. However, the file
> formats used by Word tend to be focused around locking a user into the Word
> 'platform' and also create 'peer pressure' on everyone to also buy into
> this. The open source movement wants that to be taken away - the
> filefdormats, data exchange formats, should be an open specification so as
> to let the user decide on whats a better solution for their roles. And if
> MSWord is what they need, nothing stops them from going out and buying it.
> Lets not forget, its still a free world and most people are generally
> allowed to make choices that work for them.
>
> Another example that might help clear this up for you is the cifs/smb suite.
> Think about it.
>
> I have no agenda, and I know most people here on the list as well as people
> involved with open source, dont target a company for what it is, as long as
> there is no abuse of their position to impact the choice users might have.
> And in many cases, you will find fullstack vendors like Sun, actually
> shipping Linux and BSD containers in Solaris ( anyone remember Solaris
> Brandz ? )
>
>> 
>> (1) My mail was based on my own career and product development
>> experience--
>
> but your comments were neither about your career nor your products nor about
> people you know anything about. Which is why most of your email was just
> wasted noise.
>
>> that products always take longer than expected to develop--- and if one
>> starts looking at weaknesses/non-compliances/faults too early--- the
>> development may never reach critical speed OR critical mass-- and may drag
>> on forever.
>
> you might want to look up how this process works in the open source world.
> Also, version control is fairly competent these days and working on branches
> isnt as hard or as alien as it used to be in the dark ages.
>
>> It is a well studied phenomena among product develop professionals in
>> various fields called-- that if you dont have any prototype OR feature
>> complete product early (no matter how buggy)--- then chances are it is
>> going
>> to take a order of magnitude more time to converge upon a stable and
>> usable
>> final shippable product.
>
> Do you even know what BOSS is and what they are doing ? you seem to be
> working it a an upstream of debian. What they do is essentially a few people
> doing very few package development, and building a distro ( which is usually
> just running a script, a script they didnt write )


I am not familiar with the Boss Linux team but over the past 2-3 years
I've had run-ins with other Govt. agencies building Linux
distributions (yes there are others and their functioning is obscure
by design.). But you would not see my chest swell up with pride, for
these may technically be open source projects but the spirit is
proprietary and the hidden agenda behind any such govt. effort is
pretty clear - Do not let yourself become redundant. If competent
people are willing to put in time and effort for free, why should the
govt. should continue to pay someone else for doing an inferior job?
Do you see how dangerous that question is? It is the reason why these
people prefer to develop behind closed doors, and that is a model that
is doomed from the word go.

-- Anupam

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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Karanbir Singh]

Hi,

Firstly, I dont think you understand Open Source as a whole, and Linux 
in specific.


On 08/25/2009 11:55 AM, Nalin Savara wrote:

I had been exposed to more specific overtures of Microsoft to policy makers
etc-- and that scares me and pushes me to contribute and/or actually
encourage people who are contributing to FOSS in india.


Open Source has nothing to do with Microsoft. eg. There are many many 
open source projects that only aim to target usability on the MS 
platforms. Apple / Sun / IBM / Cisco etc are all in the same boat. Open 
source does not, as an idea, target any commercial product vendor. The 
main aim is about choice and the existence of that choice, even when 
working with closed vendor solutions.


To give you a more specific example, since you seem very new to the 
whole world of open source, is the whole noise around Microsoft Word. 
Noone has any problems with MS-Word and what its capable of and what it 
looks like or what it does. None is asking for it to be 'open sourced'. 
However, the file formats used by Word tend to be focused around locking 
a user into the Word 'platform' and also create 'peer pressure' on 
everyone to also buy into this. The open source movement wants that to 
be taken away - the filefdormats, data exchange formats, should be an 
open specification so as to let the user decide on whats a better 
solution for their roles. And if MSWord is what they need, nothing stops 
them from going out and buying it. Lets not forget, its still a free 
world and most people are generally allowed to make choices that work 
for them.


Another example that might help clear this up for you is the cifs/smb 
suite. Think about it.


I have no agenda, and I know most people here on the list as well as 
people involved with open source, dont target a company for what it is, 
as long as there is no abuse of their position to impact the choice 
users might have. And in many cases, you will find fullstack vendors 
like Sun, actually shipping Linux and BSD containers in Solaris ( anyone 
remember Solaris Brandz ? )




(1) My mail was based on my own career and product development experience--


but your comments were neither about your career nor your products nor 
about people you know anything about. Which is why most of your email 
was just wasted noise.



that products always take longer than expected to develop--- and if one
starts looking at weaknesses/non-compliances/faults too early--- the
development may never reach critical speed OR critical mass-- and may drag
on forever.


you might want to look up how this process works in the open source 
world. Also, version control is fairly competent these days and working 
on branches isnt as hard or as alien as it used to be in the dark ages.



It is a well studied phenomena among product develop professionals in
various fields called-- that if you dont have any prototype OR feature
complete product early (no matter how buggy)--- then chances are it is going
to take a order of magnitude more time to converge upon a stable and usable
final shippable product.


Do you even know what BOSS is and what they are doing ? you seem to be 
working it a an upstream of debian. What they do is essentially a few 
people doing very few package development, and building a distro ( which 
is usually just running a script, a script they didnt write )



(3) No offense or insult was intended-- but yes, as I later wrote in a
unicast mail to Karan-- microsoft has unlimited millions of dollars to lobby
policy makers--


If your single agenda is to attack Microsoft - you have the wrong forum, 
look elsewhere. Perhaps the Apple communities, they seem to be giving MS 
a few nightmares of late.



ps: yes, and in working on a Open Source project to adapt GNU GCC toolchain


What project is that then ? and whats your contribution there ? I 
seriously hope for the well being of the project you have no decision 
making role to play.



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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Karanbir Singh]

On 08/24/2009 08:48 PM, Nalin Savara wrote:

You the one that lives in England and blindly criticizes everything in
India... right ?


I am based in the UK - but no I dont criticize everything in India.


Instead of cursing the darkness, why not light a lamp-- why dont you take
the initiative and help the guys at BOSS who may not be as knowledgeable as
yourself ?


That is what the initial aim was, when I heard there was someone doing 
this level of work in India my first take on it was that I'd like to 
jump in and help since Distribution engineering is what I do for about 
80% of my open source work, and even if I might say so - we do a fairly 
good job of it.


However, every effort to get in touch with the BOSS linux guys and 
getting any form of input either on the upstream or downstream seems get 
zero response. I completely fail to understand what the aim here is - 
they seem mostly either incompetient or with marching on a hidden 
agenda. Solving both those issues is easy : open up and allow for a 
community to build around the distro.


In terms of gains from such a community, there is no doubt that it helps 
the people who want to use it, people who want to contribute to it and 
people who are keen on helping spread the word and the code around. 
Surely all of these should be goals the Boss linux people should aspire 
to ? Does the fact that it comes from and is sourced from tax money make 
it even more of a goal for a project like this to reach back into the 
'donors' a bit more openly ?


Going out of their way, as they are now, to make sure that there is zero 
momentum around their distro, no community is allowed to come up and 
there is no contribution welcome from anyone only means that they are 
working on an agenda, or have incompetent advisors / mentors.


Its hard for me to fathom why they would not go out of their way to tap 
into the massive, massive talent pool that exists around the open source 
users in India.


( the rest of your email was just delusional banter, perhaps you like 
standing in front of a mirror and hearing yourself pour out crap )



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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Kartik Mistry]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:30 AM,  wrote:
> ps: yes, and in working on a Open Source project to adapt GNU GCC toolchain
> for a new platform, even I have faced these comments of "absent build
> scripts"; "you are not GNU compliant" and "you are crushing innocent flowers
> by writing code"... but one needs to get past them... just like the BOSS
> Linux guys need to...

And what they (BOSS People) are doing?
1. Are they contributing back to their parent distros? Debian/Ubuntu?
2. Are in contact with any Debian team to get help, rather than doing
crappy things in corner of room?
3. I asked (and offered help) them to include their specific packages
to Debian so both community can get benefit of it - nothing come out
of it.
4. No one answers on IRC...

They are doing it from public money - sigh, the resources are wasted
and could be better if they only hosts some distro mirrors at their
capable places..

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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Nalin Savara]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Raj Mathur  wrote:

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Anurag  wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Nalin Savara  wrote:
>
> > @BOSS Team, NRC FOSS people etc:
> > GREAT JOB GUYS!!!
>


@Raj, Anurag (Karan apart from unicast mail to you, see point (3) below):

Guys... perhaps my choice of words and description of details in earlier
mail could have been better.

But it's ok-- I dont mind the sarcasm-- since I have a valid point (based on
facts not opinion)-- and seeing a message touching a raw nerve gives me a
chance to refine and articulate my own thoughts better.

I had been exposed to more specific overtures of Microsoft to policy makers
etc-- and that scares me and pushes me to contribute and/or actually
encourage people who are contributing to FOSS in india.

Please find below my kind comments:--

(1) My mail was based on my own career and product development experience--
that products always take longer than expected to develop--- and if one
starts looking at weaknesses/non-compliances/faults too early--- the
development may never reach critical speed OR critical mass-- and may drag
on forever.

It is a well studied phenomena among product develop professionals in
various fields called-- that if you dont have any prototype OR feature
complete product early (no matter how buggy)--- then chances are it is going
to take a order of magnitude more time to converge upon a stable and usable
final shippable product.

IMHO, this applies to Linux distros also.

>From that point of view, the only point I tried to make was "contribute
rather than criticize".
Because arguments like "if they dont have xxx then they are non-compliant"--
while good for debates dont actually contribute to a better BOSS Linux.

(2)On this list & in free software community::
 The main grouse earlier with BOSS linux was that it's source code was not
freely downloadable-- and the BOSS Linux guys were not quick in responding
to seemingly valid queries.

Now the sources are downloadable-- and they are actually trying to gauge
industry applicability of their Linux Distro--- so it is up to us-- to
review the quality and to comment on improvements and necessary additions
(including if necessary comments from people like us on the bugginess and
completeness of their build scripts and toolchains).

(3) No offense or insult was intended-- but yes, as I later wrote in a
unicast mail to Karan-- microsoft has unlimited millions of dollars to lobby
policy makers-- and if we ourselves give them ammunition to attack FOSS in
India--- then we should not cry if some minister or secretary level IAS
officer decides to "push for low TCO (Total Cost of Ownership)" or decides
to push for "legal software" (and hence branding BOSS Linux as "not totally
legal").

Thanks and Regards,

NS

ps: yes, and in working on a Open Source project to adapt GNU GCC toolchain
for a new platform, even I have faced these comments of "absent build
scripts"; "you are not GNU compliant" and "you are crushing innocent flowers
by writing code"... but one needs to get past them... just like the BOSS
Linux guys need to...
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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Anurag]

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Nalin Savara  wrote:

> @BOSS Team, NRC FOSS people etc:
> GREAT JOB GUYS!!!
>
> KEEP IT UP. Truely, it's actions of people like yourselves that make India
> truely proud and self sufficient in area of Operating Systems for the
> masses.
>
> Three Cheers for you guys!!!
>
> @ Bro Karan:
>
> You the one that lives in England and blindly criticizes everything in
> India... right ?
>
> Instead of cursing the darkness, why not light a lamp-- why dont you take
> the initiative and help the guys at BOSS who may not be as knowledgeable as
> yourself ?
>
> Definitely, you will have to shift from this leadership oriented talk to a
> service oriented mindset and work in subordination to the people who have
> been given the authority by the govt to make a Indian Linux... but if you
> believe in a cause, then why not ???
>
> Buddy, you need to dump this colonial mindset-- that if it's not perfectly
> done, then find a law to ban the natives from doing this-- instead you must
> accept and recognize that this is a Bharat-specific OS, which is a great
> achievement... it's not a omelette in a english restaurant that if it's not
> perfectly done then the crown prince screams and asks the waiter to take it
> back...
>
> If you criticize BOSS Linux like this-- and some officer-type who's against
> the project is reading... then the project will die.
>
> To actually participate in a effort like BOSS, you will have to be a
> subordinate to those already there and accept their authority... you would
> also have to give up your cushy UK based existence, and also climb down
> from
> your ivory tower philosophizing... are you up to this challenge Karan ?
>
> Or is this below you ?



I am delighted at reading this amazing work of fiction.

Anurag

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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Raj Mathur]

On Tuesday 25 Aug 2009, Nalin Savara wrote:
> [snip]
> @ Bro Karan:
>
> You the one that lives in England and blindly criticizes everything
> in India... right ?
>
> Instead of cursing the darkness, why not light a lamp-- why dont you
> take the initiative and help the guys at BOSS who may not be as
> knowledgeable as yourself ?

Since you obviously have no clue about the interactions between the BOSS 
Linux team and the community (here in India, BTW), I'd suggest you 
continue to prevent facts from having any impact on your thinking and 
writing.  Facts are tedious little buggers who tend to stop otherwise 
beautifully rhetorical and jingoistic arguments from being perfect, and 
should be ignored, or, even better, not even presumed to exist whenever 
possible.

As for insulting one of the few people on this list who actually 
contributes tangibly to the FOSS world... carry on, it shows extreme 
empathy with and support of Linux and all things FOSS.



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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Nalin Savara]

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote:

> On 08/22/2009 08:05 PM, Sanjay Arora wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Karanbir Singh
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  correct me if i am wrong, but that work might not even be GPL licensed
>>>
>>
>> That's my question Karan.if they use GPL software to build a
>> redistributable linux, don't they have to share its code...simply
>> because they made modifications to GPL code and redistributed it?
>>
>> Isn't that the nature of the GPL licence?
>>
>
> IANAL, but if the code is GPL licensed, then they would need to make the
> source available to anyone who also has access to the binaries. This
> includes the build scripts, makefiles and toolchain used in the conversion
> from source to binary format.
>

@BOSS Team, NRC FOSS people etc:
GREAT JOB GUYS!!!

KEEP IT UP. Truely, it's actions of people like yourselves that make India
truely proud and self sufficient in area of Operating Systems for the
masses.

Three Cheers for you guys!!!

@ Bro Karan:

You the one that lives in England and blindly criticizes everything in
India... right ?

Instead of cursing the darkness, why not light a lamp-- why dont you take
the initiative and help the guys at BOSS who may not be as knowledgeable as
yourself ?

Definitely, you will have to shift from this leadership oriented talk to a
service oriented mindset and work in subordination to the people who have
been given the authority by the govt to make a Indian Linux... but if you
believe in a cause, then why not ???

Buddy, you need to dump this colonial mindset-- that if it's not perfectly
done, then find a law to ban the natives from doing this-- instead you must
accept and recognize that this is a Bharat-specific OS, which is a great
achievement... it's not a omelette in a english restaurant that if it's not
perfectly done then the crown prince screams and asks the waiter to take it
back...

If you criticize BOSS Linux like this-- and some officer-type who's against
the project is reading... then the project will die.

To actually participate in a effort like BOSS, you will have to be a
subordinate to those already there and accept their authority... you would
also have to give up your cushy UK based existence, and also climb down from
your ivory tower philosophizing... are you up to this challenge Karan ?

Or is this below you ?

Just wondering...


Regards,


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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Karanbir Singh]

On 08/22/2009 08:05 PM, Sanjay Arora wrote:

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Karanbir Singh  wrote:


correct me if i am wrong, but that work might not even be GPL licensed


That's my question Karan.if they use GPL software to build a
redistributable linux, don't they have to share its code...simply
because they made modifications to GPL code and redistributed it?

Isn't that the nature of the GPL licence?


IANAL, but if the code is GPL licensed, then they would need to make the 
source available to anyone who also has access to the binaries. This 
includes the build scripts, makefiles and toolchain used in the 
conversion from source to binary format.


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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Sanjay Arora]

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote:

> correct me if i am wrong, but that work might not even be GPL licensed

That's my question Karan.if they use GPL software to build a
redistributable linux, don't they have to share its code...simply
because they made modifications to GPL code and redistributed it?

Isn't that the nature of the GPL licence?

Sanjay.

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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Karanbir Singh]

On 08/22/2009 05:57 AM, Vikram Vincent wrote:

'where ever possible' means that if upstream feels that the translations
are useful enough to integrate they will else they will not.


I dont see how this would impact the licensing of the matter covered ?

> There was a discussion of this on the Indic mailing list a while ago.

Will look there as well.

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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Vikram Vincent]

>> Where ever possible efforts are on to integrate with upstream.
>
> I dont understand what this means. 'where ever possible'.

'where ever possible' means that if upstream feels that the translations
are useful enough to integrate they will else they will not.
There was a discussion of this on the Indic mailing list a while ago.


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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Karanbir Singh]

On 08/21/2009 04:44 AM, Vikram Vincent wrote:

I've not looked in a few months, but the last time I did - it was
incomplete.



Where ever possible efforts are on to integrate with upstream.


I dont understand what this means. 'where ever possible'.

Can you share some info on  when / where its not possible to share 
sources ? I can quite understand there might be licensing issues, 
however what are the components that are covered by these prohibitive 
licenses, and why are they in that state ?


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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Vikram Vincent]

2009/8/20 Karanbir Singh :
> I've not looked in a few months, but the last time I did - it was
> incomplete. only the debian / upstream sources from other repo's was added
> in. Special interest was in the indic language specific work they are doing
> and there were no sources published for any of them

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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Karanbir Singh]

On 08/20/2009 02:18 PM, Nishant Sharma wrote:


URL http://bosslinux.in/downloads contains links for "source" of all the 
releases.



I've not looked in a few months, but the last time I did - it was 
incomplete. only the debian / upstream sources from other repo's was 
added in. Special interest was in the indic language specific work they 
are doing and there were no sources published for any of them


correct me if i am wrong, but that work might not even be GPL licensed.
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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Nishant Sharma]

> >> Doesn't it have to be open source ? Isn't that the
> nature of the
> >> beast? GPL license in this case?
> >>
> >
> > Could you please point out where they post the source
> tree's and the build
> > scripts ?

Just browsed through their website.

>From the URL http://bosslinux.in/documentation/faq/definitions-and-overview

free to use and redistribute: There is no consortium membership or payment 
required to participate in its distribution and development. All packages that 
are formally part of BOSS GNU/Linux are free to redistribute, usually under 
terms specified by the GNU General Public License.


URL http://bosslinux.in/downloads contains links for "source" of all the 
releases.

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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Anupam Jain]

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote:

> On 08/20/2009 12:57 PM, Sanjay Arora wrote:
>
>> Doesn't it have to be open source ? Isn't that the nature of the
>> beast? GPL license in this case?
>>
>
> Could you please point out where they post the source tree's and the build
> scripts ?
>

Have you tried downloading the DVD from the website? Doesn't it contain the
sources?

If it doesn't then make a formal query/complaint to the site admins.

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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Manu K Mohan]

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Sanjay Arora wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Karanbir Singh
> wrote:
> > On 08/20/2009 07:41 AM, Nishant Sharma wrote:
> >>
> >> I appreciate the move by CDAC and NRCFOSS to make government officials
> >> aware of FOSS and BOSS.

Who can participate in this workshop.

>
> >
> > Would be even nicer if it really was open source :)
> >
>
> Doesn't it have to be open source ? Isn't that the nature of the
> beast? GPL license in this case?
>
> What license is BOSS having and are not they letting the Indian
> language localization work go on to upstream/parallel linux projects?
> If not, its a real pity!
>
> Sanjay.
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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Karanbir Singh]

On 08/20/2009 12:57 PM, Sanjay Arora wrote:

Doesn't it have to be open source ? Isn't that the nature of the
beast? GPL license in this case?


Could you please point out where they post the source tree's and the 
build scripts ?



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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Sanjay Arora]

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote:
> On 08/20/2009 07:41 AM, Nishant Sharma wrote:
>>
>> I appreciate the move by CDAC and NRCFOSS to make government officials
>> aware of FOSS and BOSS.
>
> Would be even nicer if it really was open source :)
>

Doesn't it have to be open source ? Isn't that the nature of the
beast? GPL license in this case?

What license is BOSS having and are not they letting the Indian
language localization work go on to upstream/parallel linux projects?
If not, its a real pity!

Sanjay.

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Re: [ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Karanbir Singh]

On 08/20/2009 07:41 AM, Nishant Sharma wrote:

I appreciate the move by CDAC and NRCFOSS to make government officials aware of 
FOSS and BOSS.


Would be even nicer if it really was open source :)

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[ilugd] NRCFOSS CDAC BOSS Linux Workshop

[Nishant Sharma]

Hi,

Today's Dainik Jagran Delhi edition carried a half page advertisement about 
workshop for government officials on BOSS GNU/Linux. URL for details mentioned 
was http://bosslinux.in/workshop

It also had invitation from hardware vendors for getting their hardware 
certified for BOSS GNU/Linux.

I appreciate the move by CDAC and NRCFOSS to make government officials aware of 
FOSS and BOSS.

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