Re: [ilugd] multiboot win98 winXP linux

2003-12-04 Thread Abhinav Gupta
Hi...

I have a solution to it... what we have to do is just to keep a backup of the 
MBR of your system... so that when ever you need to reinstall the XP or 98 
you can get your MBR back without any of the hassles...

you can do it using following commands...

$dd if=/dev/hda of=name_of_backup_file bs=512 count=1

...by above command you can keep a backup copy of your MBR which is of 512 
bytes and resides on the 1 block, that's why I gave block size (bs) 512 and 
count 1... you may better keep it in a good floppy...

In case you need to recover your partition table or any mishapping happens 
with your MBR you can always revert it back to the old one by booting your 
system in Linux Rescue mode and running following command...

$dd if=name_of_backup_file of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1

don't forget to put bs=512 and count=1 otherwise your hardisk will look like 
as if it's only of only 512 bytes size..

Abu... you can run your Linux from a logical partition too... try it... the 
best way of making a heterogeneous system is by keeping win98 in C:\ 
(Primary) drive... and then it's up to you which OS you wanna install.. you 
can install XP, NT and Linux ( 7.x) any where in the hard disk... be it a 
logical partition...


- Abhinav



On Thursday 04 Dec 2003 12:16 pm, Abu Muttalib wrote:
 Hi..

 Once I have tried to install Linux on a machine which was already running
 Win2K n WinXP. It got installed and did work. I did it by removing an
 extended partion n by making it a primary one. But the try was was
 unsuccessful as then none of Win2K or WinXP worked. It crashed dring boot
 giving some error messages.

 The conclusion that I drew was that both Win2k n WinXP not only keep a
 checksum not only one file system but also on the complete disk as well.
 Since when I reverted back to the prevoius partitioning layout both Win2k n
 WinXP worked without making any change any where.

 So I see that the situation is dark. U need to reinstall WinXP atleast
 after installing Linux or atleast making the WinXP know before hand that
 this xyz partition will contain that abc file system.

 Check it out. BUT AT YOUR OWN RISK.

 Regards,
 Abu.

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 From: LinuxLingam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 02:35:35 +0530
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 Subject: [ilugd] multiboot win98 winXP linux

  dear all,
 
  surfed thru tldp.org, yolinux.org and even google, but somehow i just
  can't find a HowTo on the specific topic:
 
  1) how to install linux on a pc that already contains win98 and winxp
 
  any pointers, tutorials, faqs, howto ?
 
  thanks
 
  :-)
 
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Re: [ilugd] multiboot win98 winXP linux

2003-11-23 Thread Anupam Jain
On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 02:35, LinuxLingam wrote:
 dear all,
 
 surfed thru tldp.org, yolinux.org and even google, but somehow i just
 can't find a HowTo on the specific topic:
 
 1) how to install linux on a pc that already contains win98 and winxp
 
 any pointers, tutorials, faqs, howto ?
 
 thanks
 
 :-)
 LL

I have a COMPAQ Presario computer at home that came with Win2k in the
form of Compaq Quickrestore CDs. Now when installing windows, it doesn't
give you any choices and simply creates a huge windows partition. Since
everyone at home uses Windows except me, I couldn't just remove windows
and install Linux on it.

So what I did was fill up that partition with 10 Gigs of data (copied
all my Mandrake n RHL CDs to it :-)) and make a user backup which
creates a new partition (slightly smaller than the size of the data..
probably because of compression.) and backs up all the data to it. I
interrupted the actual data copying process (AFTER it had created the
partition), booted with Mandrake 9.0 cd, formatted the newly formed
partition and installed Linux on it :-)

I am sure there are better methods (resizing the windows partition for
example.. but it didn't work for me somehow..), and I would really like
to know about them too..

- AJ



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Re: [ilugd] multiboot win98 winXP linux

2003-11-23 Thread Adarsh Kr sharma
U can use FIPS32 to create a new part out of a big partition.
http://www.igd.fhg.de/~aschaefe/fips/

Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 02:35, LinuxLingam wrote:
 dear all,
 
 surfed thru tldp.org, yolinux.org and even google, but somehow i just
 can't find a HowTo on the specific topic:
 
 1) how to install linux on a pc that already contains win98 and winxp
 
 any pointers, tutorials, faqs, howto ?
 
 thanks
 
 :-)
 LL

I have a COMPAQ Presario computer at home that came with Win2k in the
form of Compaq Quickrestore CDs. Now when installing windows, it doesn't
give you any choices and simply creates a huge windows partition. Since
everyone at home uses Windows except me, I couldn't just remove windows
and install Linux on it.

So what I did was fill up that partition with 10 Gigs of data (copied
all my Mandrake n RHL CDs to it :-)) and make a user backup which
creates a new partition (slightly smaller than the size of the data..
probably because of compression.) and backs up all the data to it. I
interrupted the actual data copying process (AFTER it had created the
partition), booted with Mandrake 9.0 cd, formatted the newly formed
partition and installed Linux on it :-)

I am sure there are better methods (resizing the windows partition for
example.. but it didn't work for me somehow..), and I would really like
to know about them too..

- AJ



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Re: [ilugd] multiboot win98 winXP linux

2003-11-23 Thread LinuxLingam
On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 15:10, Adarsh Kr sharma wrote:
 U can use FIPS32 to create a new part out of a big partition.
 http://www.igd.fhg.de/~aschaefe/fips/

looks like FIPS does not work with versions beyond win95
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Re: [ilugd] multiboot win98 winXP linux

2003-11-23 Thread Raj Shekhar
On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 02:35, LinuxLingam wrote:
 1) how to install linux on a pc that already contains win98 and winxp
 
 any pointers, tutorials, faqs, howto ?

Linux can coexist very peacefully with Win98, WinXP and WIn 2k (unless
Murphy's Laws intervene). The problem is not these OS but the NT file
system. The GNU parted and FIPS cannot repartition NTFS. You will have
to use Partition Magic to repartition the drive and then install Linux.
You can use GRUB in the MBR and it will easily recognize XP , 2k and
Win98.

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Re: [ilugd] multiboot win98 winXP linux

2003-11-23 Thread LinuxLingam
On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 21:08, Raj Shekhar wrote:
 On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 02:35, LinuxLingam wrote:
  1) how to install linux on a pc that already contains win98 and winxp
  
  any pointers, tutorials, faqs, howto ?
 
 Linux can coexist very peacefully with Win98, WinXP and WIn 2k (unless
 Murphy's Laws intervene). The problem is not these OS but the NT file
 system. The GNU parted and FIPS cannot repartition NTFS. You will have
 to use Partition Magic to repartition the drive and then install Linux.
 You can use GRUB in the MBR and it will easily recognize XP , 2k and
 Win98.

yes, that's correct.

wish i could find a place where steps are written clearly, on howto
install linux in a pc which already has winxp and win98. i.e. make a
dual-boot win-only, into a triple-boot.

raj, i believe there are a few other issues as well. a site mentions
that you may mount and read+write to a fat32 partition in linux, but you
shouldn't try that with the ntfs partition. one site mentions you
shouldn't even mount it. (!)

quite interestingly though, the tldp.org site has a wonderful guide on
how to install a triple-boot pc, with winXX, *BSD, and GnuLinux.

i found this rather interesting. but not relevant to my question.

??
LL


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Re: [ilugd] multiboot win98 winXP linux

2003-11-23 Thread Raj Shekhar
On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 23:24, LinuxLingam wrote:

 raj, i believe there are a few other issues as well. a site mentions
 that you may mount and read+write to a fat32 partition in linux, but you
 shouldn't try that with the ntfs partition. one site mentions you
 shouldn't even mount it. (!)

NTFS support is being worked upon and is quite mature now, but it still
supports only Read and is experimental with Write. However, if you are
using stock Red Hat kernel then you will not the Read support. In case
you need  to have the NTFS Read support, see
http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ to get a RPM to do it. 

In summary, you can have NTFS Read support but not NTFS write support. I
had experimented with the Read support and it is quite safe. 


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