Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:37:11 +0530 Nalin Savara nsn...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I shared a perspective about my excitement at the opportunity and challenges--- for the good folks at Oracle in terms of business model and strategy... on acquisition of a product that was till now open source. Personally I feel the opportunity to innovate on a business model and technology-- with total unconstrained freedom-- is a exciting challenge and opportunity-- notwithstanding any queasiness I and many more may have about Oracle's intentions. This is clearly going nowhere, and I for one am going to let it drop. However, at least as far as I am concerned active promotion of proprietary companies, and espousal of their methodologies, is not germane to this list. --- Gora wrote: Customer discontent? Bah to you, and your ilk. Gora, do not use language like you and your ilk upon me. I respect your age, seniority and qualifications but even you better refrain from such personal attacks-- and limit yourself to debating and/or criticising the idea rather than degrading a individual's caste or ethnicity. [...] Er, what? In the context, ilk refers to people with positions similar to yours. I am not sure how you managed to read that statement as being about caste and ethnicity. In any case, such was absolutely not my intention, and never will be. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:37:11 +0530 Nalin Savara nsn...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I shared a perspective about my excitement at the opportunity and challenges--- for the good folks at Oracle in terms of business model and strategy... on acquisition of a product that was till now open source. Personally I feel the opportunity to innovate on a business model and snip --- Gora wrote: Customer discontent? Bah to you, and your ilk. Gora, do not use language like you and your ilk upon me. I respect your age, seniority and qualifications but even you better refrain from such personal attacks-- and limit yourself to debating and/or criticising the idea rather than degrading a individual's caste or ethnicity. [...] Er, what? In the context, ilk refers to people with positions similar to yours. I am not sure how you managed to read that statement as being about caste and ethnicity. In any case, such was absolutely not my intention, and never will be. Thanks for the clarification-- that really helped. Personally, earlier in life-- I have dealt with people who would first curse the bania blood or trader mindset or punjabi mentality-- and after seeing oneself maintain a decent silence on that--- they would go further-- and indulge in full-scale bullying or discrimination. That's the reason when in doubt; I personally draw a line and ask the other guy to stop-- rather than assume good intentions-- and have someone think they can walk over oneself OR one's beliefs/history. Thanks for the clarification and Regards, NS ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun
meanwhile, i've been thinking of openofice, and the whole ODF and open-standards battle around it. gotta hand it to oracle. they *never* dreamt of making a foss suite like openoffice.org. sun did. now what will oracle do with it? am also thinking of javafx. not oracle's core domain expertise area. but the battle for a viable flash alternative that brings a lot of interactivity and rich internet experience is paramount. on the other hand, i hope oracle gets inspired by its collection of software to start considering converting its model away from software licenses to services, thereby making oracle software foss. what about sun's hardware? all those storage, network, and other solutions? oracle is into selling software, and often they run their software on hardware from other vendors. i think oracle might lop off the hardware business, and throw it over the great wall of china, inspired by ibm's impressive move with lenovo. so let me see what else am i going to miss? ah yes, the mesmerizing sun logo. i'd shudder to see oracle's drab logo blanketing all things from the former sun. what else? oh my! will oracle be our partners for the next freed.in? regards niyam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun
On Friday 24 Apr 2009, Linux Lingam wrote: meanwhile, i've been thinking of openofice, and the whole ODF and open-standards battle around it. gotta hand it to oracle. they *never* dreamt of making a foss suite like openoffice.org. sun did. now what will oracle do with it? Sun didn't create OpenOffice, they bought over Star Office from a German company and open-sourced it as Open Office. Since OOo didn't force developers to assign copyright to Sun (unlike MySQL), there is practically no way that Oracle would be able to make that into a proprietary product in the foreseeable future. The trade mark OpenOffice.org probably vests with Oracle today, so if they desire they can force the community to call OOo something else. No particular reason why they'd want to do that, though. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 6:07 AM, Linux Lingam linuxlin...@gmail.com wrote: on the other hand, i hope oracle gets inspired by its collection of software to start considering converting its model away from software licenses to services, thereby making oracle software foss. You do realize that ORCL has had significant contributions to the 'plumbing bits of Linux'. http://oss.oracle.com/ and, just because it is a Friday - http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/webcomics/unbreakable-prophecy.svg from, http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2009/04/fedora-weekly-webcomic-unbreakable.html -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:04 AM, Linux Lingam linuxlin...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/018363 what next, ads for unbreakable opensolaris? regards niyam Whats happening on the Java front, and other tools like Virtual Box, NetBeans... ? -Satya http://www.linkedin.com/in/satyaakam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun
Wow its nice to know about MariaDB , thanks trivani On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:34 AM, tirveni yadav yadav.tirv...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Vikram Vincent vincentvik...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/4/22 Vinay Yadav vinay@gmail.com: what about mysql (acquired by SUN)?? is orcale going to support mysql (own competitive)? or mysql going to die as netscape There is always the option before the community to fork. A branch already exists: MariaDB SQL Server The MariaDB project is the brainchild of Michael Monty Widenius, the founder of MySQL and Monty Program Ab. http://askmonty.org/wiki/index.php/MariaDB -- Regards, Tirveni Yadav What is this Universe ? From what it arises ? Into what does it go? In freedom it arises, In freedom it rests and into freedom it melts away. Upanishads. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- ** Vinay Yadav B.tech(IT) , JSSATEN vinay@gmail.com del.icio.us/vinayrks *** ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun
http://www.sqlite.org/ is another alternative to mysql... -- OLTC ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Anupam Jain ajn...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Open Linux Tech Center - Freelance open.linux.cen...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.sqlite.org/ is another alternative to mysql... sqlite doesn't quite fit the same niche as mysql. But there are other alternatives like Postgres (http://www.postgresql.org/) and Firebird (http://www.firebirdsql.org/). -- Anupam I think this is a good opportunity for Oracle to make strategic moves-- similar to Microsoft corp-- and to try to monetize many users who are now locked in onto LAMP. If oracle pulls it off-- it would change the way we think of LAMP-- and it would be a multi-billion dollars per year revenue opportunity for oracle. I wish all the people at Oracle who have this immense challenge and who see this opportunity-- the best of luck. Regards, NS ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:22:49 +0530 Nalin Savara nsn...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I think this is a good opportunity for Oracle to make strategic moves-- similar to Microsoft corp-- and to try to monetize many users who are now locked in onto LAMP. [...] Would you care to explain how exactly people are locked into LAMP, and why Oracle monetizing them is a good thing for people at large? Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Open Linux Tech Center - Freelance open.linux.cen...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.sqlite.org/ is another alternative to mysql... sqlite doesn't quite fit the same niche as mysql. But there are other alternatives like Postgres (http://www.postgresql.org/) and Firebird (http://www.firebirdsql.org/). -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:22:49 +0530 Nalin Savara nsn...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I think this is a good opportunity for Oracle to make strategic moves-- similar to Microsoft corp-- and to try to monetize many users who are now locked in onto LAMP. [...] Would you care to explain how exactly people are locked into LAMP, and why Oracle monetizing them is a good thing for people at large? (1) How are people locked into Lamp ? -- because many people/sites use Drupal, Joomla, PHP etc-- and incase a particular platform vendor decides to fork the offering into a premium and non-premium offering; then it is easier for them to pay for premium service than to take the risk of re-engineering tens of thousands of code to use a different underlying platform component eg: database. (2) Why good for people at large-- well; I nevva said good for ppl at large-- it's just that it's a amazing and exciting opportunity for the people at oracle to experiment and be totally experimental and out of the box about their strategy and approach-- because it's not as if there's a salesforce chasing the existing customers that will rebel. Customer discontent not having as loud a political voice--- can simmer for longer-- and can be handled more cheaply. This is almost as exciting a strategy experiment opportunity that the people at microsoft had. Best Regards, NS ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun
On Wednesday 22 Apr 2009, Nalin Savara wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:22:49 +0530 Nalin Savara nsn...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I think this is a good opportunity for Oracle to make strategic moves-- similar to Microsoft corp-- and to try to monetize many users who are now locked in onto LAMP. [...] Would you care to explain how exactly people are locked into LAMP, and why Oracle monetizing them is a good thing for people at large? (1) How are people locked into Lamp ? -- because many people/sites use Drupal, Joomla, PHP etc-- and incase a particular platform vendor decides to fork the offering into a premium and non-premium offering; then it is easier for them to pay for premium service than to take the risk of re-engineering tens of thousands of code to use a different underlying platform component eg: database. Since as of today MySQL is GPL, you cannot force a single user of MySQL in a FOSS application to pay you a single paisa. Sorry to bust your dreams, but Oracle can only make people pay from the next release of MySQL (if they switch it to a proprietary licence), and those people can still continue to use the current release and forks thereof with no problems and no payment. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wednesday 22 Apr 2009, Nalin Savara wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:22:49 +0530 Nalin Savara nsn...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I think this is a good opportunity for Oracle to make strategic moves-- similar to Microsoft corp-- and to try to monetize many users who are now locked in onto LAMP. [...] Would you care to explain how exactly people are locked into LAMP, and why Oracle monetizing them is a good thing for people at large? (1) How are people locked into Lamp ? -- because many people/sites use Drupal, Joomla, PHP etc-- and incase a particular platform vendor decides to fork the offering into a premium and non-premium offering; then it is easier for them to pay for premium service than to take the risk of re-engineering tens of thousands of code to use a different underlying platform component eg: database. Since as of today MySQL is GPL, you cannot force a single user of MySQL in a FOSS application to pay you a single paisa. Sorry to bust your dreams, but Oracle can only make people pay from the next release of MySQL (if they switch it to a proprietary licence), and those people can still continue to use the current release and forks thereof with no problems and no payment. Does MySQL have *zero* community contributed code licensed under GPL? If not then doesn't that prevent Oracle from charging even for the next version? -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun
On Wednesday 22 Apr 2009, Anupam Jain wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: Since as of today MySQL is GPL, you cannot force a single user of MySQL in a FOSS application to pay you a single paisa. Sorry to bust your dreams, but Oracle can only make people pay from the next release of MySQL (if they switch it to a proprietary licence), and those people can still continue to use the current release and forks thereof with no problems and no payment. Does MySQL have *zero* community contributed code licensed under GPL? If not then doesn't that prevent Oracle from charging even for the next version? MySQL requires all contributors to the code to assign copyright to MySQL AB (now Sun (now Oracle)). So Oracle holds copyright to the complete codebase, which means that they can theoretically make the next release proprietary without infringing on anyone's rights. They would end up earning a lot of ill-will from the community if they do that, though, so they probably won't. My guess is they'll keep MySQL around as a pet to scare off those nasty SQL Server types. BTW, please note that charging or not (i.e. commercial or non-commercial) is a different question from proprietary vs FOSS. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Anupam Jain ajn...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wednesday 22 Apr 2009, Nalin Savara wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:22:49 +0530 Nalin Savara nsn...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I think this is a good opportunity for Oracle to make strategic moves-- similar to Microsoft corp-- and to try to monetize many users who are now locked in onto LAMP. [...] Would you care to explain how exactly people are locked into LAMP, and why Oracle monetizing them is a good thing for people at large? (1) How are people locked into Lamp ? -- because many people/sites use Drupal, Joomla, PHP etc-- and incase a particular platform vendor decides to fork the offering into a premium and non-premium offering; then it is easier for them to pay for premium service than to take the risk of re-engineering tens of thousands of code to use a different underlying platform component eg: database. Since as of today MySQL is GPL, you cannot force a single user of MySQL in a FOSS application to pay you a single paisa. Sorry to bust your dreams, but Oracle can only make people pay from the next release of MySQL (if they switch it to a proprietary licence), and those people can still continue to use the current release and forks thereof with no problems and no payment. Does MySQL have *zero* community contributed code licensed under GPL? If not then doesn't that prevent Oracle from charging even for the next version? MySql follows dual license model: http://www-jp.mysql.com/about/legal/licensing/oem/ -- Regards, Tirveni Yadav What is this Universe ? From what it arises ? Into what does it go? In freedom it arises, In freedom it rests and into freedom it melts away. Upanishads. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun
Mysql is a great database , I personally using it for my many sites and i scare if any how this deal destroy open nature of mysql ,it bad for opensource and FOSS people loving prople, but it nice to know about mariaDB On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:32 PM, tirveni yadav yadav.tirv...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Anupam Jain ajn...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wednesday 22 Apr 2009, Nalin Savara wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:22:49 +0530 Nalin Savara nsn...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I think this is a good opportunity for Oracle to make strategic moves-- similar to Microsoft corp-- and to try to monetize many users who are now locked in onto LAMP. [...] Would you care to explain how exactly people are locked into LAMP, and why Oracle monetizing them is a good thing for people at large? (1) How are people locked into Lamp ? -- because many people/sites use Drupal, Joomla, PHP etc-- and incase a particular platform vendor decides to fork the offering into a premium and non-premium offering; then it is easier for them to pay for premium service than to take the risk of re-engineering tens of thousands of code to use a different underlying platform component eg: database. Since as of today MySQL is GPL, you cannot force a single user of MySQL in a FOSS application to pay you a single paisa. Sorry to bust your dreams, but Oracle can only make people pay from the next release of MySQL (if they switch it to a proprietary licence), and those people can still continue to use the current release and forks thereof with no problems and no payment. Does MySQL have *zero* community contributed code licensed under GPL? If not then doesn't that prevent Oracle from charging even for the next version? MySql follows dual license model: http://www-jp.mysql.com/about/legal/licensing/oem/ -- Regards, Tirveni Yadav What is this Universe ? From what it arises ? Into what does it go? In freedom it arises, In freedom it rests and into freedom it melts away. Upanishads. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- ** Vinay Yadav B.tech(IT) , JSSATEN vinay@gmail.com del.icio.us/vinayrks *** ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Vinay Yadav vinay@gmail.com wrote: Mysql is a great database , I personally using it for my many sites and i scare if any how this deal destroy open nature of mysql ,it bad for opensource and FOSS people loving prople, but it nice to know about mariaDB We had a dream! We were proud to be a MySql user!! -- Best, Zico ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:54:24 +0530 Nalin Savara nsn...@gmail.com wrote: [...] (1) How are people locked into Lamp ? -- because many people/sites use Drupal, Joomla, PHP etc-- and incase a particular platform vendor decides to fork the offering into a premium and non-premium offering; then it is easier for them to pay for premium service than to take the risk of re-engineering tens of thousands of code to use a different underlying platform component eg: database. Um, that is a strange definition of lock-in. I am not quite sure what you mean by a platform vendor, but I am guessing that it is somene who hosts the entire LAMP (though I am not sure where Drupal, and Joomla fit in) stack for a company. If the company deems the extra payment for your hypothetical forking into a premium version worth it, surely that is *their* business decision. They could: (a) Hire someone else to host their stack, or (b) Develop in-house expertise, and to hell with the rest of the world. A LAMP company whose business model depended on such forking would soon find itself in the poorhouse. True lock-in is when you do not have these options, because your application has come to rely on proprietary *extensions*. I find it incredible that you are accusing LAMP folk of fostering lock-in, when Oracle is one of the poster boys for such. (2) Why good for people at large-- well; I nevva said good for ppl at large-- it's just that it's a amazing and exciting opportunity for the people at oracle to experiment and be totally experimental and out of the box about their strategy and approach-- because it's not as if there's a salesforce chasing the existing customers that will rebel. True, that you never said that it was good for people at large, but again why should an open-souce mailing list care about the fortunes of a company that is among the most opposed to open source. Customer discontent not having as loud a political voice--- can simmer for longer-- and can be handled more cheaply. Customer discontent? Bah to you, and your ilk. You should meet some of the local companies that have been forced to hire so-called Oracle database experts. This is almost as exciting a strategy experiment opportunity that the people at microsoft had. Please go and shill for proprietary companies elsewhere. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: snipped lotsa stuff Customer discontent not having as loud a political voice--- can simmer for longer-- and can be handled more cheaply. Customer discontent? Bah to you, and your ilk. You should meet some of the local companies that have been forced to hire so-called Oracle database experts. This is almost as exciting a strategy experiment opportunity that the people at microsoft had. Please go and shill for proprietary companies elsewhere. Regards, Gora @all, including Raj, Gora: Thanks for your perspectives. I shared a perspective about my excitement at the opportunity and challenges--- for the good folks at Oracle in terms of business model and strategy... on acquisition of a product that was till now open source. Personally I feel the opportunity to innovate on a business model and technology-- with total unconstrained freedom-- is a exciting challenge and opportunity-- notwithstanding any queasiness I and many more may have about Oracle's intentions. --- Gora wrote: Customer discontent? Bah to you, and your ilk. Gora, do not use language like you and your ilk upon me. I respect your age, seniority and qualifications but even you better refrain from such personal attacks-- and limit yourself to debating and/or criticising the idea rather than degrading a individual's caste or ethnicity. Regards, Nalin ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] oracle buys sun
http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/018363 what next, ads for unbreakable opensolaris? regards niyam -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun
what about mysql (acquired by SUN)?? is orcale going to support mysql (own competitive)? or mysql going to die as netscape On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:04 AM, Linux Lingam linuxlin...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/018363 what next, ads for unbreakable opensolaris? regards niyam -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- ** Vinay Yadav B.tech(IT) , JSSATEN vinay@gmail.com del.icio.us/vinayrks *** ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun
2009/4/22 Vinay Yadav vinay@gmail.com: what about mysql (acquired by SUN)?? is orcale going to support mysql (own competitive)? or mysql going to die as netscape There is always the option before the community to fork. -- Vikram Vincent +919448810822 http://swatantra.org/ http://fsmk.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] oracle buys sun
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Vikram Vincent vincentvik...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/4/22 Vinay Yadav vinay@gmail.com: what about mysql (acquired by SUN)?? is orcale going to support mysql (own competitive)? or mysql going to die as netscape There is always the option before the community to fork. A branch already exists: MariaDB SQL Server The MariaDB project is the brainchild of Michael Monty Widenius, the founder of MySQL and Monty Program Ab. http://askmonty.org/wiki/index.php/MariaDB -- Regards, Tirveni Yadav What is this Universe ? From what it arises ? Into what does it go? In freedom it arises, In freedom it rests and into freedom it melts away. Upanishads. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
