Re: Test new Fedora Planet

[Pedro Moura]

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On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 3:16 PM Kevin Fenzi  wrote:

> So, shall we set a retirement date for the old planet and announce it?
>
> I'd like to propose:
>
> 2024-05-22
>
> Thats in 2.5 weeks, which is a bit short, but we need time to move
> people02 to rhel9 and such.
>
> If that sounds ok to everyone, we should send out an announcement to
> devel-announce/discussion about that and tell folks to update their blog
> url in their accounts.
>
> kevin
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Re: Test new Fedora Planet

[Kevin Fenzi]

So, shall we set a retirement date for the old planet and announce it?

I'd like to propose: 

2024-05-22

Thats in 2.5 weeks, which is a bit short, but we need time to move
people02 to rhel9 and such.

If that sounds ok to everyone, we should send out an announcement to
devel-announce/discussion about that and tell folks to update their blog
url in their accounts. 

kevin


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Re: Test new Fedora Planet

[Pedro Moura]

On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 4:04 AM Tomasz Torcz  wrote:

> Dnia Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 07:14:40PM -0300, Pedro Moura napisał(a):
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I would like to inform you that the new Fedora Planet has been deployed
> on
> > the OCP (OpenShift Container Platform) and is now running on the
> following
> > sites:
> >
> >- Production: https://planet.apps.ocp.fedoraproject.org/
> >- Staging: https://planet.apps.ocp.stg.fedoraproject.org/
> >
> > The application has been containerized, and we have migrated the feed
> > reader from Venus to Pluto. Now, it just needs users to input their blogs
> > into their accounts on Fedora Accounts <
> https://accounts.fedoraproject.org/>.
> > This information will be used to build Fedora Planet at specific
> intervals
> > using cron.
> >
> > We plan to announce the new application and give users some time to add
> > their blogs to their accounts.fedoraproject.org accounts. After that, we
> > will set a date to retire the old planet and move the new application to
> > fedoraplanet.org.
>
>
>   Can't you automatically migrate current blog sources (~/.planet files
> on fedorapeople server) into Fedora Accounts? Of course only if the
> person had not set FA field previously.
>
>
Not automatically, Venus and Pluto have differences to build a website.
It'd demand some scripting to do it.


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Re: Test new Fedora Planet

[Tomasz Torcz]

Dnia Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 07:14:40PM -0300, Pedro Moura napisał(a):
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I would like to inform you that the new Fedora Planet has been deployed on
> the OCP (OpenShift Container Platform) and is now running on the following
> sites:
> 
>- Production: https://planet.apps.ocp.fedoraproject.org/
>- Staging: https://planet.apps.ocp.stg.fedoraproject.org/
> 
> The application has been containerized, and we have migrated the feed
> reader from Venus to Pluto. Now, it just needs users to input their blogs
> into their accounts on Fedora Accounts <https://accounts.fedoraproject.org/>.
> This information will be used to build Fedora Planet at specific intervals
> using cron.
> 
> We plan to announce the new application and give users some time to add
> their blogs to their accounts.fedoraproject.org accounts. After that, we
> will set a date to retire the old planet and move the new application to
> fedoraplanet.org.


  Can't you automatically migrate current blog sources (~/.planet files
on fedorapeople server) into Fedora Accounts? Of course only if the
person had not set FA field previously.


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Test new Fedora Planet

[Pedro Moura]

Hello everyone,

I would like to inform you that the new Fedora Planet has been deployed on
the OCP (OpenShift Container Platform) and is now running on the following
sites:

   - Production: https://planet.apps.ocp.fedoraproject.org/
   - Staging: https://planet.apps.ocp.stg.fedoraproject.org/

The application has been containerized, and we have migrated the feed
reader from Venus to Pluto. Now, it just needs users to input their blogs
into their accounts on Fedora Accounts <https://accounts.fedoraproject.org/>.
This information will be used to build Fedora Planet at specific intervals
using cron.

We plan to announce the new application and give users some time to add
their blogs to their accounts.fedoraproject.org accounts. After that, we
will set a date to retire the old planet and move the new application to
fedoraplanet.org.

So, we'd like to invite all of you to test the new Fedora Planet at the
provided links above to identify any potential issues before we finalize
the transition.


Regards,

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Re: planet

[Pedro Moura]

> On 2023-04-18 15:07, Pedro Moura wrote:
>
> Random thought: does the http server have any metrics or logs that could
> be counted to give an indication of how many requests there are for each
> feed (including the main one) over a period of time?

For each feed, I don't think so

About the survey results: 100% agreed to drop subplanets

[image: Screenshot from 2023-04-25 14-46-49.png]


I made a PR on noggin creating a new rss field
https://github.com/fedora-infra/noggin/pull/1216 This is a work in
progress, because Im having this error "Unknown option: fasrssurl"
So If any of you knows how to fix it, the help is appreciated

regards,

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On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 5:59 PM Gerard Ryan  wrote:

> On 2023-04-18 15:07, Pedro Moura wrote:
> > Thanks for the suggestions :)
> >
> > Just sent to announce mailing list.
> > We could get planet users and send to them directly, but them would
> > have an opinion only of those who are posting their blogs there and
> > sending in announce we might have an opinion of those who are using
> > planet also to read?
>
> Random thought: does the http server have any metrics or logs that could
> be counted to give an indication of how many requests there are for each
> feed (including the main one) over a period of time?
>
>
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Re: planet

[Gerard Ryan]

On 2023-04-18 15:07, Pedro Moura wrote:

Thanks for the suggestions :)

Just sent to announce mailing list.
We could get planet users and send to them directly, but them would
have an opinion only of those who are posting their blogs there and
sending in announce we might have an opinion of those who are using
planet also to read?


Random thought: does the http server have any metrics or logs that could 
be counted to give an indication of how many requests there are for each 
feed (including the main one) over a period of time?

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Re: planet

[Pedro Moura]

Thanks for the suggestions :)

Just sent to announce mailing list.
We could get planet users and send to them directly, but them would have an
opinion only of those who are posting their blogs there and sending in
announce we might have an opinion of those who are using planet also to
read?

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On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 6:01 AM Michal Konecny  wrote:

> Or maybe if we know who are those users, we can contact them directly.
>
> Michal
>
> On 17. 04. 23 10:06, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 07:22:57PM -0300, Pedro Moura wrote:
> >>> Yeah, hopefully. It might be possible to reach out to those groups...
> >>> design, security? They have irc rooms, we could try asking there?
> >>>
> >> Due to time zone differences and the possibility of some users not
> seeing
> >> my message on IRC, I created a survey with 3 questions to gather data on
> >> the use of subplanets on Fedora Planet. I have sent the survey to the
> >> devel, design, and desktop mailing lists. I did this because some
> mailing
> >> lists that would represent subplanet groups don't exist or don't have
> >> subscribers.
> > Might be worth sending it to devel-announce, or maybe even announce?
> > They should be low(er) traffic and high(er) attention.
> >
> >
> > Pierre
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Re: planet

[Michal Konecny]

Or maybe if we know who are those users, we can contact them directly.

Michal

On 17. 04. 23 10:06, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:

On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 07:22:57PM -0300, Pedro Moura wrote:

Yeah, hopefully. It might be possible to reach out to those groups...
design, security? They have irc rooms, we could try asking there?


Due to time zone differences and the possibility of some users not seeing
my message on IRC, I created a survey with 3 questions to gather data on
the use of subplanets on Fedora Planet. I have sent the survey to the
devel, design, and desktop mailing lists. I did this because some mailing
lists that would represent subplanet groups don't exist or don't have
subscribers.

Might be worth sending it to devel-announce, or maybe even announce?
They should be low(er) traffic and high(er) attention.


Pierre
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Re: planet

[Pierre-Yves Chibon]

On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 07:22:57PM -0300, Pedro Moura wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, hopefully. It might be possible to reach out to those groups...
> > design, security? They have irc rooms, we could try asking there?
> >
> 
> Due to time zone differences and the possibility of some users not seeing
> my message on IRC, I created a survey with 3 questions to gather data on
> the use of subplanets on Fedora Planet. I have sent the survey to the
> devel, design, and desktop mailing lists. I did this because some mailing
> lists that would represent subplanet groups don't exist or don't have
> subscribers.

Might be worth sending it to devel-announce, or maybe even announce?
They should be low(er) traffic and high(er) attention.


Pierre
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Re: planet

[Pedro Moura]

>
> Yeah, hopefully. It might be possible to reach out to those groups...
> design, security? They have irc rooms, we could try asking there?
>

Due to time zone differences and the possibility of some users not seeing
my message on IRC, I created a survey with 3 questions to gather data on
the use of subplanets on Fedora Planet. I have sent the survey to the
devel, design, and desktop mailing lists. I did this because some mailing
lists that would represent subplanet groups don't exist or don't have
subscribers.

If you in the infrastructure list would like to respond as well, it would
help us make a more informed decision. Please find the link to the survey
below. I will keep the form open until April 24th at 12 UTC.

Link: https://forms.gle/FGxkAoiMSQKdC7o39

Thank you for your time and participation.

Best regards,
Pedro
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Re: planet

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 09:16:51PM -, Pedro Moura wrote:
> > I'm interested to hear from others if those subplanets are much used
> > anymore. :) 
> > 
> > IMHO, we should probibly just try and make things as simple as possible
> > to start with. I'd say we could even drop the subplanets unless people
> > are really using them/expecting them anymore. 
> > 
> 
> Given that there are no frequent updates on .planet, I also believe we could 
> drop the subplanets. 

Yeah, hopefully. It might be possible to reach out to those groups...
design, security? They have irc rooms, we could try asking there?
(I don't recall all the subplanets we have...)
 
> Additionally, a list could be implemented on Noggin where users could add 
> multiple blog links, considering the fact that some users have more than one 
> blog and later query those links from FASjson to build planet.

yeah, that sounds reasonable to me. Will require noggin changes tho.

> Furthermore, I wonder if we should close the old issue, which requests the 
> migration of Venus to Pluto, and create a new one explaining the current goal 
> of changing the process of Fedora Planet and deploying it on OCP.

We could, but it's really just a continuation of that... 

> Please let us know your thoughts on these proposals. We look forward to 
> working together to improve the Fedora Planet platform.

Hopefully we will get some more feedback soon. :) 

kevin


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Re: planet

[Pedro Moura]

> I'm interested to hear from others if those subplanets are much used
> anymore. :) 
> 
> IMHO, we should probibly just try and make things as simple as possible
> to start with. I'd say we could even drop the subplanets unless people
> are really using them/expecting them anymore. 
> 

Given that there are no frequent updates on .planet, I also believe we could 
drop the subplanets. 

Additionally, a list could be implemented on Noggin where users could add 
multiple blog links, considering the fact that some users have more than one 
blog and later query those links from FASjson to build planet.

Furthermore, I wonder if we should close the old issue, which requests the 
migration of Venus to Pluto, and create a new one explaining the current goal 
of changing the process of Fedora Planet and deploying it on OCP.

Please let us know your thoughts on these proposals. We look forward to working 
together to improve the Fedora Planet platform.
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Re: planet

[Pierre-Yves Chibon]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 07:44:13PM -, Pedro Moura wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 06, 2023 at 12:22:59PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote:
> > 
> > One thing to keep in mind is that from time to time people are having 
> > multiple
> > blogs in their .planet.ini. We could check on fedorapeople how often this
> > happens, and from there see if we need to keep that feature.
> > 
> > 
> > Pierre
> 
> Not very often. There are currently 789 users who have added their blogs to 
> the Fedora Planet directory. However, the last updates to the .planet were as 
> follows:
> 
> - 12 made last year (mostly in the beginning of the year)
> - 20 made in 2021
> - 25 made in 2020
> 
> The rest were updated prior to 2020, and there have been no updates made by 
> any user this year. 

> It's worth noting that some users have more than one blog listed in that file.

This is what I was pointing out, sorry if I wasn't clear :)


Pierre
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Re: planet

[Pedro Moura]

> On Thu, Apr 06, 2023 at 12:22:59PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote:
> 
> One thing to keep in mind is that from time to time people are having multiple
> blogs in their .planet.ini. We could check on fedorapeople how often this
> happens, and from there see if we need to keep that feature.
> 
> 
> Pierre

Not very often. There are currently 789 users who have added their blogs to the 
Fedora Planet directory. However, the last updates to the .planet were as 
follows:

- 12 made last year (mostly in the beginning of the year)
- 20 made in 2021
- 25 made in 2020

The rest were updated prior to 2020, and there have been no updates made by any 
user this year. It's worth noting that some users have more than one blog 
listed in that file.
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Re: planet

[Pierre-Yves Chibon]

On Thu, Apr 06, 2023 at 12:22:59PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 6:05 PM Pedro Moura  wrote:
> >
> > Instead of users having to SSH and create a .planet file to add their 
> > blogs, the idea would be simply add their blogs to Fedora Accounts. The 
> > fields in Fedora Accounts should be available in FasJSON, and we are using 
> > this API to create the files for each planet so Pluto can build them.
> 
> That seems like a nice improvement in usability.

One thing to keep in mind is that from time to time people are having multiple
blogs in their .planet.ini. We could check on fedorapeople how often this
happens, and from there see if we need to keep that feature.


Pierre
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Re: planet

[Pedro Moura]

>
> Is the current url available to look at? Just to see what it
> looks like as a test?

Yes, it is. I forgot to share the link
here it is:
https://planet-communishift-planet.apps.fedora.cj14.p1.openshiftapps.com

This version has the blogs hard coded and the profile pics from the links
that I got from venus (the feed reader we were using before pluto)
Now the python script uses libravatar to get profile pics and periodically
create planet.ini files to build planets.
I did not push to the repo yet.

> Finally, yeah, it might be good to have a blocklist file in case we need
> to block someone, but I guess we could just remove their feed from their
> account? but then they could add it back in, so...

We have a `ìgnore_users` list in ansible repo planet role. Maybe we can
reuse the idea


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On Thu, Apr 6, 2023 at 6:20 PM Ben Cotton  wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 6, 2023 at 3:45 PM Kevin Fenzi  wrote:
> >
> > Finally, yeah, it might be good to have a blocklist file in case we need
> > to block someone, but I guess we could just remove their feed from their
> > account? but then they could add it back in, so...
>
> I figure it's going to be either spam or CoC violations. The spam case
> is going to be something where the person probably isn't putting much
> effort into it and mostly blocked by the "contributor" group
> requirement anyway, so I'm not really concerned there. The CoC
> violation case is more complex, but I figure if someone has their feed
> forcibly removed from the planet, they're probably getting their
> account put in timeout for a while anyway. I assume they wouldn't be
> able to log in while their account is suspended? So having a blocklist
> is nice, but not something we'd need immediately. I hope.
>
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Re: planet

[Ben Cotton]

On Thu, Apr 6, 2023 at 3:45 PM Kevin Fenzi  wrote:
>
> Finally, yeah, it might be good to have a blocklist file in case we need
> to block someone, but I guess we could just remove their feed from their
> account? but then they could add it back in, so...

I figure it's going to be either spam or CoC violations. The spam case
is going to be something where the person probably isn't putting much
effort into it and mostly blocked by the "contributor" group
requirement anyway, so I'm not really concerned there. The CoC
violation case is more complex, but I figure if someone has their feed
forcibly removed from the planet, they're probably getting their
account put in timeout for a while anyway. I assume they wouldn't be
able to log in while their account is suspended? So having a blocklist
is nice, but not something we'd need immediately. I hope.


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Re: planet

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Thu, Apr 06, 2023 at 12:22:59PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 6:05 PM Pedro Moura  wrote:
> >
> > Instead of users having to SSH and create a .planet file to add their 
> > blogs, the idea would be simply add their blogs to Fedora Accounts. The 
> > fields in Fedora Accounts should be available in FasJSON, and we are using 
> > this API to create the files for each planet so Pluto can build them.
> 
> That seems like a nice improvement in usability.
> 
> > Is it the best approach? Are those planets still being used? Also, is it 
> > okay to let users freely add some link that will appear in Fedora planet? 
> > Maybe creating a group for people that wish to add their blog on Fedora 
> > Planet would help to improve the security about the last one?
> 
> I don't think an additional group is necessary, but we should probably
> tie it to agreeing to the FPCA at a minimum. Maybe we can require
> membership in at least one group instead of adding a specific group?
> We have historically had the occasional problem with inappropriate
> content in Planet, but generally it hasn't been an issue. We can
> address those issues as they come up.

Oh, I forgot to reply to this part, but currently planet feeds are
taken from ~/.planet files on fedorapeople.org. So, in order to do that
you have to have access there (ie, be in more than one non cla group).

We should definitely keep this in the new setup. The ipa group
"contributor" I think exposes this. So, we should make sure only people
in that group are enabled.

Finally, yeah, it might be good to have a blocklist file in case we need
to block someone, but I guess we could just remove their feed from their
account? but then they could add it back in, so...

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Re: planet

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Wed, Apr 05, 2023 at 07:04:54PM -0300, Pedro Moura wrote:
> Dear colleagues,
> 
> I would like to share some updates and ask for suggestions regarding the
> Fedora Planet.

Hey Pedro. Thanks for updating everyone. :) 

> As some of you may already know, Fedora Planet was deployed on CommuniShift
> with the blogs hard-coded. Additionally, we are working on some significant
> changes that affect the process of adding new blogs to the Fedora Planet.
> 
> Instead of users having to SSH and create a .planet file to add their
> blogs, the idea would be simply add their blogs to Fedora Accounts. The
> fields in Fedora Accounts should be available in FasJSON, and we are using
> this API to create the files for each planet so Pluto can build them.
> 
> I wrote a Python script, just for now, that creates planet build files
> using the "website" field in FasJSON and brute-force directories to find
> RSS feeds (not the best solution, but I'll get there), this
> script classifies in which planet a particular blog will be added based on
> which group the user is in (i.e. if the user is in design fedora account
> group, then will be added to design planet). However, this could bring some
> issues to the users like showing an article not related to the
> corresponding planet. Additionally, a user also may have tags in their blog
> that correspond to a particular planet, such as security, design, fedora,
> etc. Because of those issues, I talked to Kevin about adding an RSS field
> in Fedora Accounts (noggin) that would allow the user to add links to the
> planets they want and also get rid of that brute-force solution. I created
> an issue about it here: https://github.com/fedora-infra/noggin/issues/1155
> 
> Is it the best approach? Are those planets still being used? Also, is it
> okay to let users freely add some link that will appear in Fedora planet?
> Maybe creating a group for people that wish to add their blog on Fedora
> Planet would help to improve the security about the last one?

I'm interested to hear from others if those subplanets are much used
anymore. :) 

IMHO, we should probibly just try and make things as simple as possible
to start with. I'd say we could even drop the subplanets unless people
are really using them/expecting them anymore. 

But I guess lets see?

Is the current url available to look at? Just to see what it
looks like as a test?

> The container build also needs some improvement, as Pluto breaks due to the
> misconfiguration of some feeds, such as "error: This is not well-formed XML
> Missing end tag for 'meta' (got 'head')" and "error: undefined method
> `rss_version' for nil:NilClass". Maybe adding a condition in that Python

Yeah, the current planet script gets a ton of errors from places.
It's pretty anoying. We definitely need to handle errors by passing on
to the next feed when we get them or something.

> script checking those feeds would solve it. Additionally, due to queries to
> FasJSON, Kerberos login is required. Probably, there will be a service
> account to automate this process for prod, but for now during container
> build in CommuniShift, I don't know how to automate this part.

Yeah, in real clusters we can just have ansible get a service keytab for
that, but there's no easy way to do that in communishift.
> 
> Thank you in advance for your time, and looking forward to your suggestions.

Thanks for bringing things up.

I'm hoping for more input too...

kevin


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Re: planet

[Ben Cotton]

On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 6:05 PM Pedro Moura  wrote:
>
> Instead of users having to SSH and create a .planet file to add their blogs, 
> the idea would be simply add their blogs to Fedora Accounts. The fields in 
> Fedora Accounts should be available in FasJSON, and we are using this API to 
> create the files for each planet so Pluto can build them.

That seems like a nice improvement in usability.

> Is it the best approach? Are those planets still being used? Also, is it okay 
> to let users freely add some link that will appear in Fedora planet? Maybe 
> creating a group for people that wish to add their blog on Fedora Planet 
> would help to improve the security about the last one?

I don't think an additional group is necessary, but we should probably
tie it to agreeing to the FPCA at a minimum. Maybe we can require
membership in at least one group instead of adding a specific group?
We have historically had the occasional problem with inappropriate
content in Planet, but generally it hasn't been an issue. We can
address those issues as they come up.

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Re: planet

[Pedro Moura]

Dear colleagues,

I would like to share some updates and ask for suggestions regarding the
Fedora Planet.

As some of you may already know, Fedora Planet was deployed on CommuniShift
with the blogs hard-coded. Additionally, we are working on some significant
changes that affect the process of adding new blogs to the Fedora Planet.

Instead of users having to SSH and create a .planet file to add their
blogs, the idea would be simply add their blogs to Fedora Accounts. The
fields in Fedora Accounts should be available in FasJSON, and we are using
this API to create the files for each planet so Pluto can build them.

I wrote a Python script, just for now, that creates planet build files
using the "website" field in FasJSON and brute-force directories to find
RSS feeds (not the best solution, but I'll get there), this
script classifies in which planet a particular blog will be added based on
which group the user is in (i.e. if the user is in design fedora account
group, then will be added to design planet). However, this could bring some
issues to the users like showing an article not related to the
corresponding planet. Additionally, a user also may have tags in their blog
that correspond to a particular planet, such as security, design, fedora,
etc. Because of those issues, I talked to Kevin about adding an RSS field
in Fedora Accounts (noggin) that would allow the user to add links to the
planets they want and also get rid of that brute-force solution. I created
an issue about it here: https://github.com/fedora-infra/noggin/issues/1155

Is it the best approach? Are those planets still being used? Also, is it
okay to let users freely add some link that will appear in Fedora planet?
Maybe creating a group for people that wish to add their blog on Fedora
Planet would help to improve the security about the last one?

The container build also needs some improvement, as Pluto breaks due to the
misconfiguration of some feeds, such as "error: This is not well-formed XML
Missing end tag for 'meta' (got 'head')" and "error: undefined method
`rss_version' for nil:NilClass". Maybe adding a condition in that Python
script checking those feeds would solve it. Additionally, due to queries to
FasJSON, Kerberos login is required. Probably, there will be a service
account to automate this process for prod, but for now during container
build in CommuniShift, I don't know how to automate this part.

Thank you in advance for your time, and looking forward to your suggestions.

Best regards,

Pedro Moura


On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 3:28 PM Kevin Fenzi  wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 12:09:34AM -, Gerard Ryan wrote:
> > Hi Kevin,
>
> Hello.
>
> > I have been helping Pedro a little with this (and will try to continue
> to do so, if I can).
>
> Great!
>
> > > I finally got around to trying this... and I couldn't quite get it
> > > working.
> > >
> > > It built ok, but then I ran it and got the default httpd web page on
> > > port 80. Is the content under something ?
> > >
> > > Likely it's me not being very container savvy... but perhaps you could
> > > go through the steps again on how to build/run it and where the content
> > > will be?
> >
> > Hmm, I know I made some Dockerfile changes, but the following works for
> me, and brings me straight to a working instance of the planet site:
> >
> > podman build -t fedora-infra/planet:dev . && \
> >   podman run --rm -it -p 8080:80 fedora-infra/planet:dev && \
> >   xdg-open http://localhost:8080
>
> Huh. Now this works here too... I am not sure what I did wrong. ;(
>
> > Are you sure that you're looking at port 8080 in your browser, or might
> you be looking at port 80, and somehow have httpd running separately from
> the container? Otherwise, it sounds like something has gone wrong during
> your "podman build" step. If you hit that problem again, could you upload
> the image that you built to quay.io or somewhere like that, and the build
> logs to somewhere that I could see them too?
>
> Yeah, I was definitely looking at 8080... not sure. ;(
>
> > > But yeah, given that you have it pulling things, we should definitely
> > > look at bringing it up in staging so everyone can help out and check
> it.
> >
> > +1, it would be great to get it coughing and wheezing in staging to get
> eyes on it. There are a few things that I think still need to be done to
> make it great. For example, I don't think the build-planets.sh should be
> run as part of the image build. Assuming this will run in an OpenShift/k8s
> cluster, I think we'd be better off looking at something like a pod with 2
> containers with a shared persistent volume: one container would run httpd,
> serving the planet from that 

Re: planet

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 12:09:34AM -, Gerard Ryan wrote:
> Hi Kevin,

Hello. 

> I have been helping Pedro a little with this (and will try to continue to do 
> so, if I can).

Great!

> > I finally got around to trying this... and I couldn't quite get it
> > working. 
> > 
> > It built ok, but then I ran it and got the default httpd web page on
> > port 80. Is the content under something ?
> > 
> > Likely it's me not being very container savvy... but perhaps you could
> > go through the steps again on how to build/run it and where the content
> > will be?
> 
> Hmm, I know I made some Dockerfile changes, but the following works for me, 
> and brings me straight to a working instance of the planet site:
> 
> podman build -t fedora-infra/planet:dev . && \
>   podman run --rm -it -p 8080:80 fedora-infra/planet:dev && \
>   xdg-open http://localhost:8080

Huh. Now this works here too... I am not sure what I did wrong. ;( 

> Are you sure that you're looking at port 8080 in your browser, or might you 
> be looking at port 80, and somehow have httpd running separately from the 
> container? Otherwise, it sounds like something has gone wrong during your 
> "podman build" step. If you hit that problem again, could you upload the 
> image that you built to quay.io or somewhere like that, and the build logs to 
> somewhere that I could see them too?

Yeah, I was definitely looking at 8080... not sure. ;( 

> > But yeah, given that you have it pulling things, we should definitely
> > look at bringing it up in staging so everyone can help out and check it.
> 
> +1, it would be great to get it coughing and wheezing in staging to get eyes 
> on it. There are a few things that I think still need to be done to make it 
> great. For example, I don't think the build-planets.sh should be run as part 
> of the image build. Assuming this will run in an OpenShift/k8s cluster, I 
> think we'd be better off looking at something like a pod with 2 containers 
> with a shared persistent volume: one container would run httpd, serving the 
> planet from that disk (read-only), and the other would periodically run the 
> script to scan the feeds and update the contents on disk.

Yes, I think that model is right... 

> Where would the best place to create such tasks/proposals be...issues in that 
> GitHub project? It's been quite a while since I've been involved in anything 
> around Fedora, so I'm not really sure how/where things are done nowadays!

So, I talked with Pedro last week and we thought setting up a
communishift instance for this would be a good first step. You all can
then get it all working as you like in openshift there and then
exporting the config to staging should be easy. :0)

I setup Pedro as manager of the communishift-planet group, so he should
be able to add you and then you should have access to the project. 

Thats to you (and Pedro!) for working on this. 

kevin


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Re: planet

[Gerard Ryan]

Hi Kevin,

I have been helping Pedro a little with this (and will try to continue to do 
so, if I can).

> I finally got around to trying this... and I couldn't quite get it
> working. 
> 
> It built ok, but then I ran it and got the default httpd web page on
> port 80. Is the content under something ?
> 
> Likely it's me not being very container savvy... but perhaps you could
> go through the steps again on how to build/run it and where the content
> will be?

Hmm, I know I made some Dockerfile changes, but the following works for me, and 
brings me straight to a working instance of the planet site:

podman build -t fedora-infra/planet:dev . && \
  podman run --rm -it -p 8080:80 fedora-infra/planet:dev && \
  xdg-open http://localhost:8080

Are you sure that you're looking at port 8080 in your browser, or might you be 
looking at port 80, and somehow have httpd running separately from the 
container? Otherwise, it sounds like something has gone wrong during your 
"podman build" step. If you hit that problem again, could you upload the image 
that you built to quay.io or somewhere like that, and the build logs to 
somewhere that I could see them too?

> 
> But yeah, given that you have it pulling things, we should definitely
> look at bringing it up in staging so everyone can help out and check it.

+1, it would be great to get it coughing and wheezing in staging to get eyes on 
it. There are a few things that I think still need to be done to make it great. 
For example, I don't think the build-planets.sh should be run as part of the 
image build. Assuming this will run in an OpenShift/k8s cluster, I think we'd 
be better off looking at something like a pod with 2 containers with a shared 
persistent volume: one container would run httpd, serving the planet from that 
disk (read-only), and the other would periodically run the script to scan the 
feeds and update the contents on disk.

Where would the best place to create such tasks/proposals be...issues in that 
GitHub project? It's been quite a while since I've been involved in anything 
around Fedora, so I'm not really sure how/where things are done nowadays!

Ger.
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Re: planet

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Fri, Dec 02, 2022 at 04:31:55PM -, Pedro Moura wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> We had help to migrate those venus templates to pluto. :)
> The container is similar to what we have in production,
> but some blogs are responding with 404 while building pluto.
> You can check how it is here https://github.com/fedora-infra/planet
> So, would like to ask the opinion of you all.
> - Is it good? 
> - Is it missing anything?
> - Is there anything we should improve?
> - Should we move to OCP already?

I finally got around to trying this... and I couldn't quite get it
working. 

It built ok, but then I ran it and got the default httpd web page on
port 80. Is the content under something ?

Likely it's me not being very container savvy... but perhaps you could
go through the steps again on how to build/run it and where the content
will be?

But yeah, given that you have it pulling things, we should definitely
look at bringing it up in staging so everyone can help out and check it.

kevin


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Re: planet

[Pedro Moura]

> On Sat, Dec 3, 2022 at 12:22 PM Stephen Smoogen  wrote:
> 
> Cool. What blogs responded with a 404?

Here is a list of blogs that respond with an error during the build:

http://blog.fubar.dk/?feed=rss2 : *** error - fetch HTTP - 404 Not Found
http://domsch.com/blog/?feed=rss2=fedora : *** error - fetch HTTP - 404 Not 
Found
http://www.dragonsreach.it/category/justfedora/feed/ : *** error - fetch HTTP - 
404 Not Found
http://mribeirodantas.github.io/ato.xml : *** error - fetch HTTP - 404 Not Found
http://stef.thewalter.net/feeds/posts/default/-/security/?alt=rss : *** error - 
fetch HTTP - 404 Not Found
https://amitosh.in/feed/fedora.xml<*** error - fetch HTTP - 404 Not Found
http://sarupbanskota.github.io/feed.fedora.xml : *** error - fetch HTTP - 404 
Not Found
http://github.com/mapleoin/maplepink/raw/master/ftp/tag/fedora-summer-coding.xml
 : *** error - fetch HTTP - 404 Not Found
http://devel.adityapatawari.com/category/FSC/feed/ : *** error - fetch HTTP - 
522 


Also, some other blogs were disabled on `.ini` files because they were breaking 
the build. Follow that list below:

http://dailypackage.fedorabook.com/index.php?/feeds/index.rss2
http://www.redhatmagazine.com/category/fedora/feed
http://www.projetofedora.org/rss.xml
http://www.fedora-tunisia.org/?q=atom/feed
http://www.braincache.de/wp/category/fedora-design/feed
http://sarupbanskota.github.io/feed.fedora.xml
http://jefvanschendel.nl/blog/index.atom
http://www.ryanlerch.org/blog/?feed=rss2
http://feeds.feedburner.com/Karl-tux-stadtFedora-design


Regards,
Pedro Moura
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Software Engineer
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Re: planet

[Pedro Moura]

On Sat, Dec 3, 2022 at 12:22 PM Stephen Smoogen  wrote:

>
> Cool. What blogs responded with a 404?
>

A lot of blogs are responding with errors, not only 404. I could come up
with a list and share it here


> And where can people see how it looks in staging?
>

I haven't deployed in staging yet, but I could deploy it in stg OCP if it's
ok :)


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Re: planet

[Stephen Smoogen]

On Fri, 2 Dec 2022 at 12:10, Pedro Moura  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> We had help to migrate those venus templates to pluto. :)
> The container is similar to what we have in production, but some blogs are
> responding with 404 while building pluto. You can check how it is here
> https://github.com/fedora-infra/planet
> So, would like to ask the opinion of you all.
> - Is it good?
> - Is it missing anything?
> - Is there anything we should improve?
> - Should we move to OCP already?
>
>
Cool. What blogs responded with a 404? And where can people see how it
looks in staging?



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Re: planet

[Pedro Moura]

Hi everyone,

We had help to migrate those venus templates to pluto. :)
The container is similar to what we have in production, but some blogs are 
responding with 404 while building pluto. You can check how it is here 
https://github.com/fedora-infra/planet
So, would like to ask the opinion of you all.
- Is it good? 
- Is it missing anything?
- Is there anything we should improve?
- Should we move to OCP already?


Pedro
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Re: planet

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 12:46:04AM -, Pedro Moura wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> We have been migrating those templates to erb files and was noticed some 
> differences.
> people02.fedoraproject.org has templates for each sub-planet of fedora 
> planet, but some of them are not being used in prod. Summer-coding and 
> Security are examples of sub-planets that have different templates that are 
> not used in prod, css is different too.
> 
> Should we apply the same templates for all the planets? If yes, the repo 
> https://gitlab.com/fedora/websites-apps/themes/fedora-planet-theme has the 
> templates for "people" planet, which are the templates that seems to be in 
> prod. Should we be pushing in that repo instead?

Well, we did at one point have those 'sub planets' defined for various
teams. If you go to: http://fedoraplanet.org/ and look at the top
there's a drop down for 'sub planets'. I am not sure they are really
used, but they also all seem to have the same templates/apperance?
(At least from what I can tell). 

So, I would say, get it working with the base one and we can adjust the
other ones later. 

We could reuse that repo I guess... it looks like almost all the work
there was done by Ryan Lerch, we could ask him...

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Re: planet

[Pedro Moura]

Hi everyone,

We have been migrating those templates to erb files and was noticed some 
differences.
people02.fedoraproject.org has templates for each sub-planet of fedora planet, 
but some of them are not being used in prod. Summer-coding and Security are 
examples of sub-planets that have different templates that are not used in 
prod, css is different too.

Should we apply the same templates for all the planets? If yes, the repo 
https://gitlab.com/fedora/websites-apps/themes/fedora-planet-theme has the 
templates for "people" planet, which are the templates that seems to be in 
prod. Should we be pushing in that repo instead?


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Re: planet

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 08:39:18PM -, Pedro Moura wrote:
> > The name of the blog/site? That's given by `item.feed.title`, see here:
> >
> > https://github.com/neurofedora/planet-neuroscientists/blob/master/neurosc...
> >
> > I remember we'd also looked into OpenSUSE's planet instance, which is a
> > more complex deployment (uses Jekyll etc. IIRC). That may be a better
> > starting point?
> >
> > https://github.com/openSUSE/planet-o-o
> > https://planet.opensuse.org/
> 
> Thanks! This tip and openSUSE repo really helped. I was able to get the 
> author, picture and do a work around to get the fas name.
> It seems we can keep the templates as they are in Fedora Planet and just 
> change it so pluto can build them.
> 
> Sharing what I've done so far:
> - Fedora Planet didnt had a repo, so I created one here 
> https://github.com/fedora-infra/planet
> - Everything was pushed on dev branch for now
> - Put Fedora Planet in a container
> - Changed only the index template of people's planet. Fedora Planet has about 
> 7 "planets", each "planet" has about 7 distinct html templates, they're 
> slightly similar tho. So the mission now would be changing those html 
> templates to erb templates so pluto can build them.

I don't think it has to be 100% exactly the same... just close... 

> I'd like to keep working on this, but also would like to hear from you all:
> - What do you think how this is going so far?
> - Any suggestions or anything I should have done?
> - Can I keep working on this?

I think you're doing great. ;) 

Once you have it generating pages, might be good to publish those
somewhere and everyone can look and see how it looks?

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Re: planet

[Ankur Sinha]

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 20:39:18 -, Pedro Moura wrote:
> Thanks! This tip and openSUSE repo really helped. I was able to get the 
> author, picture and do a work around to get the fas name.

Ah, great. Glad that was helpful :)

> 
> 
> I'd like to keep working on this, but also would like to hear from you all:
> - What do you think how this is going so far?
> - Any suggestions or anything I should have done?

I think that's great progress :)

My only request would be: could you add instructions in the README on
how to test this out with the container etc.? We can then also play
around with it and help out wherever possible.

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Re: planet

[Pedro Moura]

> The name of the blog/site? That's given by `item.feed.title`, see here:
>
> https://github.com/neurofedora/planet-neuroscientists/blob/master/neurosc...
>
> I remember we'd also looked into OpenSUSE's planet instance, which is a
> more complex deployment (uses Jekyll etc. IIRC). That may be a better
> starting point?
>
> https://github.com/openSUSE/planet-o-o
> https://planet.opensuse.org/

Thanks! This tip and openSUSE repo really helped. I was able to get the author, 
picture and do a work around to get the fas name.
It seems we can keep the templates as they are in Fedora Planet and just change 
it so pluto can build them.

Sharing what I've done so far:
- Fedora Planet didnt had a repo, so I created one here 
https://github.com/fedora-infra/planet
- Everything was pushed on dev branch for now
- Put Fedora Planet in a container
- Changed only the index template of people's planet. Fedora Planet has about 7 
"planets", each "planet" has about 7 distinct html templates, they're slightly 
similar tho. So the mission now would be changing those html templates to erb 
templates so pluto can build them.

I'd like to keep working on this, but also would like to hear from you all:
- What do you think how this is going so far?
- Any suggestions or anything I should have done?
- Can I keep working on this?

Regards,
Pedro Moura
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Re: planet

[Ankur Sinha]

On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 11:26:34 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 11:45:31AM -, Pedro Moura wrote:
> > Hi everyone. I was taking a look at this and trying to migrate
> > Fedora Planet to pluto and have some questions. 
> > 
> > Some things in pluto are not done yet, for example getting the
> > author is something marked as "to be done" in the documentation
> > https://feedreader.github.io/#planet-planet--pluto---template-cheatsheet-1
> > and even some pluto standard templates are still a WIP
> > (https://github.com/orgs/planet-templates/repositories).

Could you clarify what is meant by the "author"? The name of the
blog/site? That's given by `item.feed.title`, see here:

https://github.com/neurofedora/planet-neuroscientists/blob/master/neuroscience/planet.neuroscience.html.erb#L79



> > Even with those limitations, I searched if there was a way to get
> > the same info we have using venus, but nothing seems to work.
> > Fedora Planet and its sub planets have their own distinct template,
> > but not being able to "translate" every variable to pluto or
> > changing to any standard pluto template, would make a lot of changes
> > in the website.
> 
> I think we are open to changes here as long as they are reasonable ones. 
> Not having author is pretty major sounding though. ;( 
> 
> Can any of the neuro folks provide some help here? 
> 
> > The Neuro SIG used a standard pluto template called forty and did
> > some customization. Should we do the same with Fedora Planet? 
> 
> Yeah, thats fine as long as we can still have things like author and
> such. Perhaps it would be worth trying to get it to do a few feeds and
> we can all look at it?
> 

Yeh, our template is a rather simple customisation of one of the examples.

I remember we'd also looked into OpenSUSE's planet instance, which is a
more complex deployment (uses Jekyll etc. IIRC). That may be a better
starting point?

https://github.com/openSUSE/planet-o-o
https://planet.opensuse.org/

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Re: planet

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 11:45:31AM -, Pedro Moura wrote:
> Hi everyone. I was taking a look at this and trying to migrate Fedora Planet 
> to pluto and have some questions. 
> 
> Some things in pluto are not done yet, for example getting the author is 
> something marked as "to be done" in the documentation  
> https://feedreader.github.io/#planet-planet--pluto---template-cheatsheet-1 
> and even some pluto standard templates are still a WIP 
> (https://github.com/orgs/planet-templates/repositories).
> Even with those limitations, I searched if there was a way to get the same 
> info we have using venus, but nothing seems to work.
> Fedora Planet and its sub planets have their own distinct template, but not 
> being able to "translate" every variable to pluto or changing to any standard 
> pluto template, would make a lot of changes in the website.

I think we are open to changes here as long as they are reasonable ones. 
Not having author is pretty major sounding though. ;( 

Can any of the neuro folks provide some help here? 

> The Neuro SIG used a standard pluto template called forty and did some 
> customization. Should we do the same with Fedora Planet? 

Yeah, thats fine as long as we can still have things like author and
such. Perhaps it would be worth trying to get it to do a few feeds and
we can all look at it?

> Could we keep Fedora Planet with venus for now and just work to put it in 
> openshift?

I don't think we want to do that. We should wait for pluto before moving
to openshift.

> Or should we follow any other path Kevin proposed?

I'd say perhaps try and get pluto working with just a few feeds and we
can see how it looks like? Then, we can work on the part where it pulls
the feeds from the account system, then after that, we can look at
putting it in openshift. 

Just my thoughts... 

kevin


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Re: planet

[Pedro Moura]

Hi everyone. I was taking a look at this and trying to migrate Fedora Planet to 
pluto and have some questions. 

Some things in pluto are not done yet, for example getting the author is 
something marked as "to be done" in the documentation  
https://feedreader.github.io/#planet-planet--pluto---template-cheatsheet-1 and 
even some pluto standard templates are still a WIP 
(https://github.com/orgs/planet-templates/repositories).
Even with those limitations, I searched if there was a way to get the same info 
we have using venus, but nothing seems to work.
Fedora Planet and its sub planets have their own distinct template, but not 
being able to "translate" every variable to pluto or changing to any standard 
pluto template, would make a lot of changes in the website.

The Neuro SIG used a standard pluto template called forty and did some 
customization. Should we do the same with Fedora Planet? 
Could we keep Fedora Planet with venus for now and just work to put it in 
openshift?
Or should we follow any other path Kevin proposed?
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Re: planet

[Stephen Smoogen]

On Thu, 24 Mar 2022 at 09:00, Matthew Miller 
wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 01:30:07PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > > This isn't _just_ "Matthew loves discourse and is looking at it as a
> hammer to
> > > hit all nails". It's also a way to help pull different threads
> together in
> > > once central place, so that there _is_ eventually a representative
> platform.
> > ...snip...
> >
> > yeah, I don't like the idea of 800 tickets to add 800 blogs
> > (ok, I am sure it will be far less, but still).
>
>
> And I don't know how well it would even scale to 800 actual blogs.
>
>
I have counted about 80 different blogs since January. Most of them have a
1 post per every three months so maybe at most 100 counting a short tail.


> If there really is that much interest, though, it'd be worthwhile setting
> up
> some automation — or maybe asking Discourse support to do a bulk
> first-setup from the console side.
>
> > Otherwise I don't hate the idea off hand. I think it could have some
> > advantages like allowing the community to comment on some post together
> > instead of comments going to the remote blog that no one goes back to
> > notice there are comments on.
>
>
Since I don't generally allow posts on my blog in the first place since 99%
of them have been spam or worse.. having a 'curated' place where people
could comment is ok with me.



> Let's keep it on the table, then. :)
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Re: planet

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On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 01:30:07PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > This isn't _just_ "Matthew loves discourse and is looking at it as a hammer 
> > to
> > hit all nails". It's also a way to help pull different threads together in
> > once central place, so that there _is_ eventually a representative platform.
> ...snip...
> 
> yeah, I don't like the idea of 800 tickets to add 800 blogs 
> (ok, I am sure it will be far less, but still). 


And I don't know how well it would even scale to 800 actual blogs.

If there really is that much interest, though, it'd be worthwhile setting up
some automation — or maybe asking Discourse support to do a bulk
first-setup from the console side.

> Otherwise I don't hate the idea off hand. I think it could have some
> advantages like allowing the community to comment on some post together
> instead of comments going to the remote blog that no one goes back to
> notice there are comments on. 

Let's keep it on the table, then. :)

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Re: planet

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Thu, Mar 03, 2022 at 12:23:57PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 02, 2022 at 09:16:29PM +, Ankur Sinha wrote:
> > > It's so selective, though -- the set of people who blog about what they're
> > > doing isn't representative of the community. I mean, even if we made 
> > > people
> > > more aware of it, it's not going to make more people into bloggers.
> > 
> > Is there one platform that is representative of the community though?
> 
> Wouldn't that be nice?!
> 
> This presents a nice opportunity to put forth an idea that Ben surely knew
> would be coming at some point: Discourse has an RSS polling plugin!
> https://meta.discourse.org/t/configure-the-discourse-rss-polling-plugin/156387
> 
> We could set up a category specifically for aggregated blog posts. (Probably
> with replies disabled — although you could reply-as-new-linked-topic into a
> different categegory.)
> 
> This isn't _just_ "Matthew loves discourse and is looking at it as a hammer to
> hit all nails". It's also a way to help pull different threads together in
> once central place, so that there _is_ eventually a representative platform.
...snip...

yeah, I don't like the idea of 800 tickets to add 800 blogs 
(ok, I am sure it will be far less, but still). 

Otherwise I don't hate the idea off hand. I think it could have some
advantages like allowing the community to comment on some post together
instead of comments going to the remote blog that no one goes back to
notice there are comments on. 

kevin


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Re: planet

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Wed, Mar 02, 2022 at 01:16:27PM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote:
...snip...
> 
> Do we have a rough count of how many people have multiple feeds in
> their .planet file? I didn't even know that was supported! In general,
> I'd rather break that for a few people than maintain the status quo.
> If it's a non-trivial number of people, maybe we can come up with a
> way to have the account system support multiple values in the RSS
> field?

So, some (interesting) stats.

802 users have .planet files. (Unsure how many of these are active)

Of those 802 users, 65 have more than 1 rss feed in their .planet file.

The most is pingou with 5. ;) 

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Re: planet

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Mar 02, 2022 at 09:16:29PM +, Ankur Sinha wrote:
> > It's so selective, though -- the set of people who blog about what they're
> > doing isn't representative of the community. I mean, even if we made people
> > more aware of it, it's not going to make more people into bloggers.
> 
> Is there one platform that is representative of the community though?

Wouldn't that be nice?!

This presents a nice opportunity to put forth an idea that Ben surely knew
would be coming at some point: Discourse has an RSS polling plugin!
https://meta.discourse.org/t/configure-the-discourse-rss-polling-plugin/156387

We could set up a category specifically for aggregated blog posts. (Probably
with replies disabled — although you could reply-as-new-linked-topic into a
different categegory.)

This isn't _just_ "Matthew loves discourse and is looking at it as a hammer to
hit all nails". It's also a way to help pull different threads together in
once central place, so that there _is_ eventually a representative platform.


> > > I think just letting people share what they wish is fine. That way folks
> > > self curate what they think should go to the planet and when something
> > > goes against the CoC etc., it gets flagged. The current signal to noise
> > > ratio isn't too bad. I tend to skim titles quickly and only read posts
> > > that are relevant.
> > I'd like to see it a little more focused. Having it be _whatever_ opens us
> > up to potential trouble.
> It isn't quite _whatever_ even now. "The Planet is a place for
> expression of many ideas related to the Fedora Project". Whatever
> platform is used, it'll have to be quite advanced to filter posts based
> on criteria that someone sets up to keep the output feed focused enough.

I think the filter would be: ask people to use feed categories on their
blogs as a requirement for setting it up, and if we notice that being
misused, disconnect that blog.


> > Plus there are some feeds which someone clearly set up many years ago and
> > just plain have nothing relevant anymore ever. That's not a problem in the
> > same sense, but does decrease the value.
> 
> Is this a platform issue either though? Irrespective of what we use,
> we'll have outdated input sources that will need to be cleaned up from
> time to time. We've just never had a policy in place for a planet clean
> up.

It's partly a platform issue because of the self-service nature. The
Discourse plugin requires admin configuration, which has its own downsides,
but means that people can flag the posts and an admin handle it like any
kind of moderation. With Planet, removing something from an administrative
point of view is a lot of process (and interrupt-driven infrastructure team
work).

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Re: planet

[Ankur Sinha]

On Wed, Mar 02, 2022 13:34:49 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 02, 2022 at 10:18:58AM +, Ankur Sinha wrote:
> > The planet is the only place where one can keep up with what community
> > folks are doing---not just Fedora related, but generally in their lives.
> > Folks share whatever they wish to share, and that's very important for
> > us to know more about folks we do so much with.
> 
> It's so selective, though -- the set of people who blog about what they're
> doing isn't representative of the community. I mean, even if we made people
> more aware of it, it's not going to make more people into bloggers.

Is there one platform that is representative of the community though?

> I'm interested in the idea of something more grand that can incorporate
> multiple other kinds of sources. Maybe something that'd make me use mastodon
> for real finally. :)

If there is a tool that can aggregate data from multiple sources, and
the work necessary to set it up and maintain it isn't a blocker, that
would be a good way to go.

> > I think just letting people share what they wish is fine. That way folks
> > self curate what they think should go to the planet and when something
> > goes against the CoC etc., it gets flagged. The current signal to noise
> > ratio isn't too bad. I tend to skim titles quickly and only read posts
> > that are relevant.
> 
> I'd like to see it a little more focused. Having it be _whatever_ opens us
> up to potential trouble.

It isn't quite _whatever_ even now. "The Planet is a place for
expression of many ideas related to the Fedora Project". Whatever
platform is used, it'll have to be quite advanced to filter posts based
on criteria that someone sets up to keep the output feed focused enough.

> Plus there are some feeds which someone clearly set up many years ago and
> just plain have nothing relevant anymore ever. That's not a problem in the
> same sense, but does decrease the value.

Is this a platform issue either though? Irrespective of what we use,
we'll have outdated input sources that will need to be cleaned up from
time to time. We've just never had a policy in place for a planet clean
up.


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Re: planet

[Stephen Smoogen]

On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 at 16:29, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:

> Hey folks. I thought I would open a discussion about fedoraplanet and
> possibly some plans for it.
>
> Right now:
>
> fedoraplanet.org runs on people02.fedoraproject.org (aka fedorapeople).
> To add a blog/rss feed you have to login there and edit your .planet
> file, then scripting pulls all those .planet files and tries to fetch
> all the feeds and then serves them up at http://fedoraplanet.org.
> It uses a app called 'venus' to do this. venus is written in very old
> python2 and very very dead upstream.
>
> We run into the following problems with it:
>
> * Sometimes it gets stuck and just stops processing until it's killed.
> * It's serving on a http site, which causes people to ask us to make it
> https, but that would just change the errors because many feeds it pulls
> are still http since they were added back before letsencrypt existed.
> * We have a handy 'website' field in our new account system, but aren't
> using it at all.
> * The .planet parsing is poor, any number of things can cause it to
> break.
>
> We have two open tickets on it:
> - https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/10383 (upgrade to pluto,
>   a ruby based, but maintained thing)
> - https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/10490
>   ( planet not served via ssl) Which I am just going to close now.
>
> So, I can think of a number of options and would love everyone who has
> thoughts on it to chime in:
>
> 1. Do nothing. Venus "works" and .planet files are cool and retro.
>
> 2. Switch to pluto and use account system 'website' fields of
> contributors. We could likely shove it in openshift and serve it
> directly from there to avoid fedorapeople entirely.
> (This would likely break anyone who has multiple feeds in there)
>

I would like to go for 2 but with the caveat Ben put that it uses a
different field. However I also realize it is a lot of work and there are
not a lot of active blog writers anymore.

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Re: planet

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Mar 02, 2022 at 10:18:58AM +, Ankur Sinha wrote:
> The planet is the only place where one can keep up with what community
> folks are doing---not just Fedora related, but generally in their lives.
> Folks share whatever they wish to share, and that's very important for
> us to know more about folks we do so much with.

It's so selective, though -- the set of people who blog about what they're
doing isn't representative of the community. I mean, even if we made people
more aware of it, it's not going to make more people into bloggers.

I'm interested in the idea of something more grand that can incorporate
multiple other kinds of sources. Maybe something that'd make me use mastodon
for real finally. :)


> I think just letting people share what they wish is fine. That way folks
> self curate what they think should go to the planet and when something
> goes against the CoC etc., it gets flagged. The current signal to noise
> ratio isn't too bad. I tend to skim titles quickly and only read posts
> that are relevant.

I'd like to see it a little more focused. Having it be _whatever_ opens us
up to potential trouble.

Plus there are some feeds which someone clearly set up many years ago and
just plain have nothing relevant anymore ever. That's not a problem in the
same sense, but does decrease the value.


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Re: planet

[Ben Cotton]

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 4:28 PM Kevin Fenzi  wrote:
>
> Hey folks. I thought I would open a discussion about fedoraplanet and
> possibly some plans for it.

Thanks for starting this discussion, Kevin!

We've had some moderation issues with Planet over the years and a lot
of the content is not relevant to Fedora. If it were to go away, I
could live with it. Personally, I'd rather see much of the
Fedora-related content on Planet end up on the Community Blog instead.
That said, it does provide *some* value to the community (and the
non-Fedora content is interesting and isn't necessarily something I'd
see otherwise) so I'm not going to actively advocate for shutting it
down.

> 1. Do nothing. Venus "works" and .planet files are cool and retro.

-1. I don't want to endorse making someone go kick the process on a
regular basis. And running EOL software seems un-great.

> 2. Switch to pluto and use account system 'website' fields of
> contributors. We could likely shove it in openshift and serve it
> directly from there to avoid fedorapeople entirely.
> (This would likely break anyone who has multiple feeds in there)

+1 with caveats. It should be a separate field, IMO, because "website"
and "RSS feed of my blog" are not necessarily the same thing. Like
some others, my feed in Planet is for a specific tag to avoid spamming
Planet with all of the other baloney I write about. But I also have a
static website that I'd rather point people to when I say "this is my
website".

Do we have a rough count of how many people have multiple feeds in
their .planet file? I didn't even know that was supported! In general,
I'd rather break that for a few people than maintain the status quo.
If it's a non-trivial number of people, maybe we can come up with a
way to have the account system support multiple values in the RSS
field?

> 3. Switch to something better/bigger. I would think (although I don't
> know) that there might be something that would not only aggregate rss
> feeds for contributors, but perhaps mastodon/twitter/whatever also.

-1. People can add their social media account's RSS feed now if they
want, but I don't think we want to encourage that. I feel bad enough
for the people who follow me on Twitter, nevermind subjecting everyone
subscribing to Planet to it. :-)

> 4. Planets are old and tired, just drop the entire thing. People can
> maintain their own rss lists.

0. (see reasoning in my opening comments)

> 5. Planets are old and tired, just drop the entire thing.
> But also, get our social media people to maintain contributor /
> interesting lists. ie, the fedoraproject twitter account could maintain
> a list of 'fedora contributors' and 'fedora packagers' or whatever.
>
> 6. Switch to pluto as in 2, but also setup some curators. Have a
> 'firehose' of all feeds, but the main fedora planet would be just
> curated things that are known to be related to fedora and not off topic
> or unrelated.
>
> 6. Get someones (not it!) to take in all the
> twitter/facebook/mastodon/blog posts/rss feeds and post some kind of
> curated round up every week or something.

-1. Active curation takes a lot of effort, and we don't seem to have
that available (particularly not in a sustained way). Maybe someday in
the future, but we are not yet living in this particular future.

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Re: planet

[Tomasz Torcz]

On Wed, Mar 02, 2022 at 10:38:08AM +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
> Dne 01. 03. 22 v 22:28 Kevin Fenzi napsal(a):
> > So, I can think of a number of options and would love everyone who has
> > thoughts on it to chime in:
> Thank you for kicking this off.
> > 2. Switch to pluto and use account system 'website' fields of
> > contributors. We could likely shove it in openshift and serve it
> > directly from there to avoid fedorapeople entirely.
> > (This would likely break anyone who has multiple feeds in there)
> 
> +1

+1 from me, too. Planet is very valuable window into our community.

> But I would either rename the website field to RSSfeed or add new column with 
> this name.

> In my case the website is
> http://miroslav.suchy.cz/
> but the RSS feed point to (just one category of my blog)
> http://miroslav.suchy.cz/blog/archives/fedora/index.html

  I have similar situation.  New field for ATOM/RSS field would be
preferably.

> > 6. Switch to pluto as in 2, but also setup some curators. Have a
> > 'firehose' of all feeds, but the main fedora planet would be just
> > curated things that are known to be related to fedora and not off topic
> > or unrelated.

-1 for curators. It won't scale. But maybe prune some non-people feeds
(for example, but not limited to, Bodhi releases feed).

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Re: planet

[Ankur Sinha]

On Tue, Mar 01, 2022 13:28:07 -0800, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> Hey folks. I thought I would open a discussion about fedoraplanet and
> possibly some plans for it. 

Hello,

> 1. Do nothing. Venus "works" and .planet files are cool and retro. 

> 
> 2. Switch to pluto and use account system 'website' fields of
> contributors. We could likely shove it in openshift and serve it
> directly from there to avoid fedorapeople entirely. 
> (This would likely break anyone who has multiple feeds in there)

+1 but with caveats:

I think folks do use multiple feeds sometimes, for example to add the
blogs of our Outreachy candidates who may not always be CLA+1 right
away. Adding folks to a group is not hard though (the Join SIG happily
gives people membership to our FAS group if required, and there's also
wikiedit). So we can do this, and just make sure everyone knows.

> 
> 4. Planets are old and tired, just drop the entire thing. People can
> maintain their own rss lists. 

-1

The planet is the only place where one can keep up with what community
folks are doing---not just Fedora related, but generally in their lives.
Folks share whatever they wish to share, and that's very important for
us to know more about folks we do so much with.

(Generally, I think we need to give the planet more visibility---make
sure everyone is aware that they can add their feeds there, and maybe
also add links to the planet in other places like start.fp.o etc. to
make it less of a "hidden" community resource.)

> 5. Planets are old and tired, just drop the entire thing.
> But also, get our social media people to maintain contributor /
> interesting lists. ie, the fedoraproject twitter account could maintain
> a list of 'fedora contributors' and 'fedora packagers' or whatever. 

-1

Looks like too much manual work? I also note that not all community
members use Twitter etc. so we end up in "what platform should the
community use/promote" territory..

> 
> 6. Switch to pluto as in 2, but also setup some curators. Have a
> 'firehose' of all feeds, but the main fedora planet would be just
> curated things that are known to be related to fedora and not off topic
> or unrelated.

+0

I think just letting people share what they wish is fine. That way folks
self curate what they think should go to the planet and when something
goes against the CoC etc., it gets flagged. The current signal to noise
ratio isn't too bad. I tend to skim titles quickly and only read posts
that are relevant.

Are the curators going to be humans? That's more work that'll need to be
done. Automated curators would work (keywords based?) but they may take
some time setting up initially?

> 6. Get someones (not it!) to take in all the
> twitter/facebook/mastodon/blog posts/rss feeds and post some kind of
> curated round up every week or something.

-1

Dunno who'll do this, and how this will be done in the long run.

> 
> 7. Your brilliant idea here!
> 
> So, thoughts? this is not at all urgent, but we should end up doing
> something with it sometime. :) 

Thanks for moving this along.

The Neuro SIG is using Pluto for our two planets already with a rather
basic set up[1,2] and it works quite well for our very simple use case.
@nerdsville helped with the migration for us, and from what I know,
they're interested in helping out with migrating the Fedora planet too.

[1] https://neuroblog.fedoraproject.org/planet-neuroscientists/
[2] https://neuroblog.fedoraproject.org/planet-neuroscience/

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Re: planet

[Miroslav Suchý]

Dne 01. 03. 22 v 22:28 Kevin Fenzi napsal(a):

So, I can think of a number of options and would love everyone who has
thoughts on it to chime in:

Thank you for kicking this off.

2. Switch to pluto and use account system 'website' fields of
contributors. We could likely shove it in openshift and serve it
directly from there to avoid fedorapeople entirely.
(This would likely break anyone who has multiple feeds in there)


+1

But I would either rename the website field to RSSfeed or add new column with 
this name.

In my case the website is

http://miroslav.suchy.cz/

but the RSS feed point to (just one category of my blog)

http://miroslav.suchy.cz/blog/archives/fedora/index.html



4. Planets are old and tired, just drop the entire thing. People can
maintain their own rss lists.


-1

People can maintain their list, but it require effort. And sooner or later you 
give up.

And I get nice feedback on my post almost every time it is propagated by Planet.


5. Planets are old and tired, just drop the entire thing.
But also, get our social media people to maintain contributor /
interesting lists. ie, the fedoraproject twitter account could maintain
a list of 'fedora contributors' and 'fedora packagers' or whatever.

-1 see above.

6. Switch to pluto as in 2, but also setup some curators. Have a
'firehose' of all feeds, but the main fedora planet would be just
curated things that are known to be related to fedora and not off topic
or unrelated.


I am afraid of that "curated" as it requires "somebody".



6. Get someones (not it!) to take in all the
twitter/facebook/mastodon/blog posts/rss feeds and post some kind of
curated round up every week or something.


-1

let use the manpower somewhere else.

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Re: planet

[Ryan Lerch]

On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 7:29 AM Kevin Fenzi  wrote:
>
> Hey folks. I thought I would open a discussion about fedoraplanet and
> possibly some plans for it.
>
> Right now:
>
> fedoraplanet.org runs on people02.fedoraproject.org (aka fedorapeople).
> To add a blog/rss feed you have to login there and edit your .planet
> file, then scripting pulls all those .planet files and tries to fetch
> all the feeds and then serves them up at http://fedoraplanet.org.
> It uses a app called 'venus' to do this. venus is written in very old
> python2 and very very dead upstream.
>
> We run into the following problems with it:
>
> * Sometimes it gets stuck and just stops processing until it's killed.
> * It's serving on a http site, which causes people to ask us to make it
> https, but that would just change the errors because many feeds it pulls
> are still http since they were added back before letsencrypt existed.
> * We have a handy 'website' field in our new account system, but aren't
> using it at all.
> * The .planet parsing is poor, any number of things can cause it to
> break.
>
> We have two open tickets on it:
> - https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/10383 (upgrade to pluto,
>   a ruby based, but maintained thing)
> - https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/10490
>   ( planet not served via ssl) Which I am just going to close now.
>
> So, I can think of a number of options and would love everyone who has
> thoughts on it to chime in:
>
> 1. Do nothing. Venus "works" and .planet files are cool and retro.
>
> 2. Switch to pluto and use account system 'website' fields of
> contributors. We could likely shove it in openshift and serve it
> directly from there to avoid fedorapeople entirely.
> (This would likely break anyone who has multiple feeds in there)
>
> 3. Switch to something better/bigger. I would think (although I don't
> know) that there might be something that would not only aggregate rss
> feeds for contributors, but perhaps mastodon/twitter/whatever also.
>
> 4. Planets are old and tired, just drop the entire thing. People can
> maintain their own rss lists.

#4 here has my vote -- i personally stopped reading RSS feeds daily on
July 1, 2013. Also, not sure what value the planet provides to the community.
its a bit of a hit and miss firehose sometimes.

--ryanlerch

>
> 5. Planets are old and tired, just drop the entire thing.
> But also, get our social media people to maintain contributor /
> interesting lists. ie, the fedoraproject twitter account could maintain
> a list of 'fedora contributors' and 'fedora packagers' or whatever.
>
> 6. Switch to pluto as in 2, but also setup some curators. Have a
> 'firehose' of all feeds, but the main fedora planet would be just
> curated things that are known to be related to fedora and not off topic
> or unrelated.
>
> 6. Get someones (not it!) to take in all the
> twitter/facebook/mastodon/blog posts/rss feeds and post some kind of
> curated round up every week or something.
>
> 7. Your brilliant idea here!
>
> So, thoughts? this is not at all urgent, but we should end up doing
> something with it sometime. :)
>
> kevin
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planet

[Kevin Fenzi]

Hey folks. I thought I would open a discussion about fedoraplanet and
possibly some plans for it. 

Right now:

fedoraplanet.org runs on people02.fedoraproject.org (aka fedorapeople).
To add a blog/rss feed you have to login there and edit your .planet
file, then scripting pulls all those .planet files and tries to fetch
all the feeds and then serves them up at http://fedoraplanet.org. 
It uses a app called 'venus' to do this. venus is written in very old
python2 and very very dead upstream. 

We run into the following problems with it: 

* Sometimes it gets stuck and just stops processing until it's killed.
* It's serving on a http site, which causes people to ask us to make it
https, but that would just change the errors because many feeds it pulls
are still http since they were added back before letsencrypt existed. 
* We have a handy 'website' field in our new account system, but aren't
using it at all.
* The .planet parsing is poor, any number of things can cause it to
break.

We have two open tickets on it: 
- https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/10383 (upgrade to pluto,
  a ruby based, but maintained thing)
- https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/10490
  ( planet not served via ssl) Which I am just going to close now. 

So, I can think of a number of options and would love everyone who has
thoughts on it to chime in: 

1. Do nothing. Venus "works" and .planet files are cool and retro. 

2. Switch to pluto and use account system 'website' fields of
contributors. We could likely shove it in openshift and serve it
directly from there to avoid fedorapeople entirely. 
(This would likely break anyone who has multiple feeds in there)

3. Switch to something better/bigger. I would think (although I don't
know) that there might be something that would not only aggregate rss
feeds for contributors, but perhaps mastodon/twitter/whatever also. 

4. Planets are old and tired, just drop the entire thing. People can
maintain their own rss lists. 

5. Planets are old and tired, just drop the entire thing.
But also, get our social media people to maintain contributor /
interesting lists. ie, the fedoraproject twitter account could maintain
a list of 'fedora contributors' and 'fedora packagers' or whatever. 

6. Switch to pluto as in 2, but also setup some curators. Have a
'firehose' of all feeds, but the main fedora planet would be just
curated things that are known to be related to fedora and not off topic
or unrelated.

6. Get someones (not it!) to take in all the
twitter/facebook/mastodon/blog posts/rss feeds and post some kind of
curated round up every week or something.

7. Your brilliant idea here!

So, thoughts? this is not at all urgent, but we should end up doing
something with it sometime. :) 

kevin
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Re: The state of the planet (the app)

[Stasiek Michalski]

> I ran into it while looking for info.
> If I understood correctly, the new planet is at:
> https://github.com/openSUSE/planet-o-o which seems to involve ruby and jekyll.

We use planet pluto, which is a ruby implementation, which
generates posts in a way that's parsable by jekyll, which we use
everywhere in our infrastructure to generate static pages.

The same script was adopted by KDE:
https://invent.kde.org/websites/planet-kde-org/

I am also preparing a version for Bugzilla:
https://github.com/hellcp/planet-bz-o
Which you can preview on https://planet-bugzilla.lcp.world/

You could just skip the jekyll stuff, if it doesn't integrate well into
your setup, but we base pretty much everything on jekyll, so it was a
great way to integrate planet into the rest of our infrastructure

Oh yeah, and pluto upstream is great, both we and KDE guys sent PRs
their way and they were quick to respond and merge them. If you aren't
afraid to use ruby, it's very nice

> The old planet was at: https://github.com/openSUSE/planet.opensuse.org and
> apparently was also relying on old code (py 2.6 looking at the libs folder in
> there).

That's rawdog, I gave up on making it py3 fairly quickly ;)

LCP [Stasiek]
https://lcp.world/
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Re: The state of the planet (the app)

[Pierre-Yves Chibon]

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 06:18:48AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 4:36 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon  
> wrote:
> >
> > Good Morning Everyone,
> >
> > Running a personal planet and having upgraded the box running it to a 
> > recent OS
> > (Fedora in this case), I have found out that the underlying application 
> > does not
> > support python3.
> >
> > To be precise, the main script says:
> >   Requires Python 2.1, recommends 2.3.
> >
> > Needless to say, this doesn't work anymore with python3.
> >
> > So I went looking a bit around to see what is available.
> > There is Venus which we run, which has this problem ^ and hasn't been 
> > touched in
> > 9 years:
> > https://github.com/rubys/venus
> >
> > There are a few java-based, php-based, or ruby-based, with different level 
> > of
> > activity (though to be fair, RSS and planets have been there for a while 
> > now, so
> > a working application likely does not need much maintenance anymore).
> > However, nothing jumped at me as a clear successor for our setup.
> >
> > Do people have some experience with planet? Would you recommend us 
> > something?
> >
> >
> > At this stage, it is very unclear to me if the best approach is to switch
> > application (new stack, new UI to do, new configuration file to 
> > do/adjust...) or
> > port venus to python3 (potentially a 1 time effort but what about the long 
> > term
> > maintenance?).
> >
> 
> I believe Stasiek (CC'd to this email) recently implemented a planet
> replacement. I am unsure if he used Venus or something else, though.
> 
> Perhaps he can reply with information...

I ran into it while looking for info.
If I understood correctly, the new planet is at:
https://github.com/openSUSE/planet-o-o which seems to involve ruby and jekyll.
The old planet was at: https://github.com/openSUSE/planet.opensuse.org and
apparently was also relying on old code (py 2.6 looking at the libs folder in
there).


Pierre
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Re: The state of the planet (the app)

[Neal Gompa]

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 4:36 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon  wrote:
>
> Good Morning Everyone,
>
> Running a personal planet and having upgraded the box running it to a recent 
> OS
> (Fedora in this case), I have found out that the underlying application does 
> not
> support python3.
>
> To be precise, the main script says:
>   Requires Python 2.1, recommends 2.3.
>
> Needless to say, this doesn't work anymore with python3.
>
> So I went looking a bit around to see what is available.
> There is Venus which we run, which has this problem ^ and hasn't been touched 
> in
> 9 years:
> https://github.com/rubys/venus
>
> There are a few java-based, php-based, or ruby-based, with different level of
> activity (though to be fair, RSS and planets have been there for a while now, 
> so
> a working application likely does not need much maintenance anymore).
> However, nothing jumped at me as a clear successor for our setup.
>
> Do people have some experience with planet? Would you recommend us something?
>
>
> At this stage, it is very unclear to me if the best approach is to switch
> application (new stack, new UI to do, new configuration file to do/adjust...) 
> or
> port venus to python3 (potentially a 1 time effort but what about the long 
> term
> maintenance?).
>

I believe Stasiek (CC'd to this email) recently implemented a planet
replacement. I am unsure if he used Venus or something else, though.

Perhaps he can reply with information...


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Re: The state of the planet (the app)

[Benson Muite]

On 7/20/20 11:35 AM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:

Good Morning Everyone,

Running a personal planet and having upgraded the box running it to a recent OS
(Fedora in this case), I have found out that the underlying application does not
support python3.

To be precise, the main script says:
   Requires Python 2.1, recommends 2.3.

Needless to say, this doesn't work anymore with python3.

So I went looking a bit around to see what is available.
There is Venus which we run, which has this problem ^ and hasn't been touched in
9 years:
https://github.com/rubys/venus

There are a few java-based, php-based, or ruby-based, with different level of
activity (though to be fair, RSS and planets have been there for a while now, so
a working application likely does not need much maintenance anymore).
However, nothing jumped at me as a clear successor for our setup.


How is Planet used? Are there any similar programs in Javascript or Go? 
What is available for Ruby and PHP? Are there particular features that 
would be useful to add to make them similar enough to planets? Could the 
Ruby application(s) be translated to using Crystal?


Do people have some experience with planet? Would you recommend us something?


At this stage, it is very unclear to me if the best approach is to switch
application (new stack, new UI to do, new configuration file to do/adjust...) or
port venus to python3 (potentially a 1 time effort but what about the long term
maintenance?).

Looking forward to hear your thoughts,

Pierre
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The state of the planet (the app)

[Pierre-Yves Chibon]

Good Morning Everyone,

Running a personal planet and having upgraded the box running it to a recent OS
(Fedora in this case), I have found out that the underlying application does not
support python3.

To be precise, the main script says:
  Requires Python 2.1, recommends 2.3.

Needless to say, this doesn't work anymore with python3.

So I went looking a bit around to see what is available.
There is Venus which we run, which has this problem ^ and hasn't been touched in
9 years:
https://github.com/rubys/venus

There are a few java-based, php-based, or ruby-based, with different level of
activity (though to be fair, RSS and planets have been there for a while now, so
a working application likely does not need much maintenance anymore).
However, nothing jumped at me as a clear successor for our setup.

Do people have some experience with planet? Would you recommend us something?


At this stage, it is very unclear to me if the best approach is to switch
application (new stack, new UI to do, new configuration file to do/adjust...) or
port venus to python3 (potentially a 1 time effort but what about the long term
maintenance?).

Looking forward to hear your thoughts,

Pierre
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Re: [patch] Fix image paths in base config of the planet

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 12:48:34 +1000
Ryan Lerch <rle...@redhat.com> wrote:

> Here is a quick patch that corrects the image paths for the heads
> images for the feeds included by default in the people_base_config
> file in the planet setup in ansible.

Applied and pushed. 

kevin


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[patch] Fix image paths in base config of the planet

[Ryan Lerch]

Here is a quick patch that corrects the image paths for the heads images
for the feeds included by default in the people_base_config file in the
planet setup in ansible.

cheers,
ryanlerch
From a3bd3ab1c55efa98550e39f0ca803f602d1cc84e Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Ryan Lerch <rle...@redhat.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 12:38:03 +1000
Subject: [PATCH] Planet: Fixed up a typos in the image paths

---
 roles/planet/files/people_base_config | 8 
 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)

diff --git a/roles/planet/files/people_base_config b/roles/planet/files/people_base_config
index 4c7d74b..afb9945 100644
--- a/roles/planet/files/people_base_config
+++ b/roles/planet/files/people_base_config
@@ -28,7 +28,7 @@ face = http://fedoraplanet.org/images-v2/heads/default.png
 
 [http://dailypackage.fedorabook.com/index.php?/feeds/index.rss2]
 name = fedora daily package
-face = http://fedoraplanet.org/imgages/heads/fdp.png
+face = http://fedoraplanet.org/images/heads/fdp.png
 fasname = admin
 
 [http://www.redhatmagazine.com/category/fedora/feed]
@@ -56,15 +56,15 @@ fasname = admin
 
 [https://badges.fedoraproject.org/explore/badges/rss]
 name = Fedora Badges
-face = http://fedoraplanet.org/images-v2/gheads/default.png
+face = http://fedoraplanet.org/images-v2/heads/default.png
 fasname = admin
 
 [http://status.fedoraproject.org/changes.rss]
 name = Fedora Infrastructure Status
-face = http://fedoraplanet.org/images-v2/gheads/default.png
+face = http://fedoraplanet.org/images-v2/heads/default.png
 fasname = admin
 
 [http://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?feed=rss]
 name = Fedora Community Blog
-face = http://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/wp-content/themes/communityblog-theme/images-v2/gcommunitybloglogo.png
+face = https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/wp-content/themes/communityblog-theme-0.02/images/communitybloglogo.png
 fasname = admin
-- 
2.7.4

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Re: No reason for gadgetwisdom.com to be on Planet

[Kévin Raymond]

Le 8 sept. 2012 02:06, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com a écrit :

 A site called gadgetwisdom.com is on the Planet feed. It has a 'Fedora'
 tag, but this has only been applied to seven articles ever, none later
 than Oct 2010. More recent stuff is general interest, nothing to do with
 Fedora (and, with my tin hat on, suspiciously tilted towards Amazon
 products...)
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Re: Planet Fedora: OPML with missing info

[Sijis Aviles]

Pedro,

The assumption is that you will create the ticket. I would file it under
their trac: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/.

Sijis
On Jul 29, 2012 11:24 AM, Pedro Francisco pedrogfranci...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote:
  On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:04:07 +0200
  Kévin Raymond shai...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
 
  On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Pedro Francisco
  pedrogfranci...@gmail.com wrote:
   Some Planets provide a opml.xml file so people can use to subscribe
   to everyone who publishes to the planet (for example, using Liferea,
   which periodically checks if the OPML has been updated and fetches
   it if so).
  
   The file exists on Planet Fedora but has missing URL info (
   http://planet.fedoraproject.org/opml.xml ).
  
   Does anyone know if this is on purpose?
  
  
   Thanks,
   --
   Pedro
 
  Hi Pedro, the planet is infra related.
  Forwarding to them so they could see what's going on
  @infra, where is it in our arch? I could have the access, not sure…
 
  This should be generated from our planet software, but something is not
  working as it should be.
 
  Can you file a ticket and we can investigate and fix things up?
 

 Who is supposed to file the ticket? Me? Where? Bugzilla? To which
 component?

 Thanks in Advance,
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Re: Planet Fedora: OPML with missing info

[Pedro Francisco]

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Sijis Aviles sijis.avi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Pedro,

 The assumption is that you will create the ticket. I would file it under
 their trac: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/.

Ok thanks!
Filed under https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3404 .

Thank you for your time.
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Re: Planet Fedora: OPML with missing info

[Kévin Raymond]

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Pedro Francisco
pedrogfranci...@gmail.com wrote:
 Some Planets provide a opml.xml file so people can use to subscribe to
 everyone who publishes to the planet (for example, using Liferea,
 which periodically checks if the OPML has been updated and fetches it
 if so).

 The file exists on Planet Fedora but has missing URL info (
 http://planet.fedoraproject.org/opml.xml ).

 Does anyone know if this is on purpose?


 Thanks,
 --
 Pedro

Hi Pedro, the planet is infra related.
Forwarding to them so they could see what's going on
@infra, where is it in our arch? I could have the access, not sure…



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Re: Planet Fedora: OPML with missing info

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:04:07 +0200
Kévin Raymond shai...@fedoraproject.org wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Pedro Francisco
 pedrogfranci...@gmail.com wrote:
  Some Planets provide a opml.xml file so people can use to subscribe
  to everyone who publishes to the planet (for example, using Liferea,
  which periodically checks if the OPML has been updated and fetches
  it if so).
 
  The file exists on Planet Fedora but has missing URL info (
  http://planet.fedoraproject.org/opml.xml ).
 
  Does anyone know if this is on purpose?
 
 
  Thanks,
  --
  Pedro
 
 Hi Pedro, the planet is infra related.
 Forwarding to them so they could see what's going on
 @infra, where is it in our arch? I could have the access, not sure…

This should be generated from our planet software, but something is not
working as it should be. 

Can you file a ticket and we can investigate and fix things up?

Thanks, 

kevin


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Re: Name of the blog on the planet Fedora

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Wed, 30 May 2012 23:50:11 +0200
Kévin Raymond shai...@fedoraproject.org wrote:

 Adding the infra mailing list for them to look at it closly…
 (I haven't find who is behind this name)

It looks like this feed is in the planet config itself... 

It's: 

[http://fedora.or.id/index.php/feed/atom/]
name = Fedora Indonesia (Fedora-Id)

I suspect it once went to abenk.com, but currently it just hangs. 

Should we remove it?

kevin


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Re: Name of the blog on the planet Fedora

[Arif Tri Waluyo]

On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote:

 On Wed, 30 May 2012 23:50:11 +0200
 Kévin Raymond shai...@fedoraproject.org wrote:

  Adding the infra mailing list for them to look at it closly…
  (I haven't find who is behind this name)

 It looks like this feed is in the planet config itself...

 It's:

 [http://fedora.or.id/index.php/feed/atom/]
 name = Fedora Indonesia (Fedora-Id)

 I suspect it once went to abenk.com, but currently it just hangs.

 Should we remove it?

Last post, about a year ago. And the contents have no link with Fedora or
open source. And now can not be accessed. I think we can remove it,
because there
was no answer from the owner.


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Re: Name of the blog on the planet Fedora

[Kévin Raymond]

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Arif Tri Waluyo
arifi...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
 On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Kévin Raymond shai...@fedoraproject.org
 wrote:

 On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Arif Tri Waluyo
 arifi...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
  Hi I'm Arif,
  I was one of the contributors in Indonesia community site[1]. I
  registered
  the site to Planet Fedora in the name of Fedora Indonesia. But when I
  check if the configuration is correct, it turns out there are sites[2]
  on
  behalf of Fedora Indonesia (fedora-id). I was afraid there was
  confusion
  about this. What should we do?
 
  Regards,
  Arif Tri Waluyo
 
  1. http://id.fedoracommunity.org/
  2. http://www.abenk.com/

 Yep correct, this one is quite wrong, abenk.com features blacberry stuff…
 CC-ing Yafiz who could have some clues about fedora-id account.

 Arif, if this is not resolved soon, please ping us back we will see
 with which account it is linked.

 It's been more than 24 hours. Are we still going to wait?


Adding the infra mailing list for them to look at it closly…
(I haven't find who is behind this name)


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Re: [PATCH] Make pre section on the planet 100% and not bigger

[Sijis Aviles]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:08 AM, Pierre-YvesChibon pin...@pingoured.frwrote:

 ---
  configs/system/planet/people/css/fedora_planet.css |5 +
  1 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)

 diff --git a/configs/system/planet/people/css/fedora_planet.css
 b/configs/system/planet/people/css/fedora_planet.css
 index e0b30b3..96eabf8 100644
 --- a/configs/system/planet/people/css/fedora_planet.css
 +++ b/configs/system/planet/people/css/fedora_planet.css
 @@ -140,6 +140,11 @@ ul#people_feeds {
 margin-left: 2ex;
  }

 +.blog-entry-content pre {
 +font-size: 100%;
 +}
 +
 +
  .blog-entry-footer {
 background: transparent url(../images/people-entry-bottom-center.png)
 repeat-x bottom center;
  }
 --
 1.7.2.1



I don't see any ill effects in doing this.

You also may want to consider making these updates to the other sub-planets
(design, gsoc, etc). I can't recall offhand if they share the same css files
or not.

Sijis
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OpenShift's Planet PaaS - Need Help and Pointers

[Jimmy Guerrero]

Hello,

Over here in OpenShift http://openshift.redhat.com/app/ -land we are 
looking at standing up a PaaS-centric blog aggregation site called 
Planet PaaS, similar to:


http://planet.fedoraproject.org/
http://planet.mysql.com/
http://planet.jboss.org/

We'd like to downplay the commercial stuff, and keep it focused on PaaS 
as it relates to open source and development frameworks, middleware and 
languages.


We've been approached by some news/media outlets to co-brand a Planet 
PaaS site with us, but I'd prefer to have no overt commercial interests 
dominate the site. I'd also like to be impartial. Meaning yeah, VMWare 
and other competitors might turn up there, and that's ok as long as it 
is PaaS/OSS/Developer-centric.


Anybody on this list interested in this project? I have some budget to 
make this happen. If you have any leads, please point me in the right 
direction.


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Re: pubsubhubbub-ifying planet?

[seth vidal]

On Sun, 2010-06-13 at 13:59 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote:
 There's this relatively new protocol, PubSubHubbub, in which a server
 publishing an RSS feed pings a server whenever it publishes an update
 to the feed's XML file.  Feed aggregators, such as Google Reader and
 others, are then notified immediately when the updated feed is
 available, and can thus refresh it immediately, rather than wait for
 some timed cronjob to do so.
 
 With respect to Planet Fedora, there are 2 things we _could_ do to
 make it more timely.  Currently, planet.fp.o gets updated every 20
 minutes by cronjob, rescanning all its feeds.
 


A couple of thoughts:

1. the venus planet people have woken back up and appear to be actively
updating venus again. Might be worth querying them about this.

2. The other thing which is done every 20 minutes is building the list
of feeds up. That'll have to fit in somewhere, too.

-sv


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Re: blogs.fedoraproject.org and planet

[Nick Bebout]

I apologize, I will look at these patches tonight.

Nick

On 03/14/2010 04:48 AM, Luca Foppiano wrote:
 On 02/15/2010 04:59 PM, Sijis Aviles wrote:

 [...]

   
 The wiki page on the blog.fp.o stuff is on the Websites page:
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites#blogs.fedoraproject.org

 The docs and the redirect issues are the main reasons blogs hasn't
 been announced yet.

 If you'd like to talk more about this and have some ideas, you can
 find us in #fedora-websites on Freenode.
 
 Hi, I worked a bit on the theme and I produced some patches (in attachment):

 - added caption style for images (I basically copied from the default theme)
 - fixed some links (you should test it because I didn't on fedora
 infrastructure wordpress
 - update the screenshot (I wrongly committed twice so we have two
 patches but one is not used, sorry but is too long time I'm not using git)

 Please give a check and let me know if is ok.

 Thanks
 Luca

   


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Re: blogs.fedoraproject.org and planet

[Luca Foppiano]

On 03/14/2010 10:48 AM, Luca Foppiano wrote:

 Hi, I worked a bit on the theme and I produced some patches (in attachment):
 
 - added caption style for images (I basically copied from the default theme)
 - fixed some links (you should test it because I didn't on fedora
 infrastructure wordpress
 - update the screenshot (I wrongly committed twice so we have two
 patches but one is not used, sorry but is too long time I'm not using git)
 
 Please give a check and let me know if is ok.
 
 Thanks
 Luca
 

Any ffeedback to this email?
Does anybody read it? Does anybody look at the patches?

Let me know
Luca
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Re: blogs.fedoraproject.org and planet

[Sijis Aviles]

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote:
 On Sat, 13 Feb 2010, Luca Foppiano wrote:

 On 02/11/2010 06:07 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:

 
  Work in progress.  AFAIK the docs still haven't been written up and it
  still hasn't been announced.
 
  - are you aware that the css has some class broken? like the images are
  not correctly shown?
 
  - do you think is possible to customize also the left bar?
 
 
  If you're any good at that stuff submit some patches, I'm sure we'd be
  glad to have them.

 My skills in php and wordpress themes are really low, anyway I took a
 look at the possible problem with the images. I think there is some
 class missing in the css. I'm working on my machine to test it.

 Another thing that I found is related to the login, if you try to access
 the control panel and you are not logged, you are forwarded to the login
 page. When you enter the credentials, you are autenticated but forwarded
 to a wrong address:

 https://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.fedoraproject.org%2Fwp%2Fwp-admin%2F


 To make sure these things don't get dropped, it's best to open a ticket at
 https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/


 Another question. is there a page or a draft of the whole blogs project
 in the fedora wiki?


 I'm not sure where they coordinated how they came to this particular
 setup, but I know some of the docs aren't done yet (which is why it's not
 'official' yet and why it's not been announced)

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The redirect is a known problem and there is already a few tickets filed:

https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1778
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1718

Although the tickets don't mention it, there has been some work
towards getting this resolved. We do believe its either a problem with
wp-login.php or http - https rewrite issue (more likely the rewrite).

The wiki page on the blog.fp.o stuff is on the Websites page:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites#blogs.fedoraproject.org

The docs and the redirect issues are the main reasons blogs hasn't
been announced yet.

If you'd like to talk more about this and have some ideas, you can
find us in #fedora-websites on Freenode.

Thanks,

Sijis
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Re: blogs.fedoraproject.org and planet

[Nicu Buculei]

On 02/11/2010 07:07 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
 On Thu, 11 Feb 2010, Luca Foppiano wrote:

 * about the planet, are there any plans to create a multi-instance,
 planet, maybe by country or by language?


 We've talked about it and I think we decided no but I don't remember the
 detauls.

We have things like http://planet.fedoraproject.org/design/ or 
http://planet.fedoraproject.org/desktop/

There may be others, but they are not advertised enough nor easily 
discoverable.

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Re: blogs.fedoraproject.org and planet

[Luca Foppiano]

On 02/12/2010 09:06 AM, Nicu Buculei wrote:
[...]
 
 We have things like http://planet.fedoraproject.org/design/ or 
 http://planet.fedoraproject.org/desktop/
 
 There may be others, but they are not advertised enough nor easily 
 discoverable.
 

this is interesting! How's possible to have one let's say
http://planet.fedoraproject.org/italy/ ?

Thanks
Luca
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Re: blogs.fedoraproject.org and planet

[Luca Foppiano]

On 02/11/2010 06:07 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
 On Thu, 11 Feb 2010, Luca Foppiano wrote:
 
 Hi all,
  I'm interested to know the status of the blogs instances in the
 fedoraproject domains.
 I would like to use the blog and the planet as news/story board for the
 local fedora communities website .

 * About the blog, Is something work in progress? I saw a nice
 infrastructure but with some work more to do:

 
 Work in progress.  AFAIK the docs still haven't been written up and it
 still hasn't been announced.
 
 - are you aware that the css has some class broken? like the images are
 not correctly shown?

 - do you think is possible to customize also the left bar?

 
 If you're any good at that stuff submit some patches, I'm sure we'd be
 glad to have them.

I'm working with some other guys to evaluate some solutions for our
website infrastructure and the blog is one of our candidate. While we
will work on a sample for us we can provide you some patches and
suggestion on it.
Is there a trac/git repository for the blog system?

 * about the planet, are there any plans to create a multi-instance,
 planet, maybe by country or by language?

 
 We've talked about it and I think we decided no but I don't remember the
 detauls.

uhm, that's a pity :(
I was wondering to workaround about this lack with a wordpress plugin:
feedwordpress (http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/feedwordpress/)

I think this pluign needs to be packaged.

and for would be nice to have also add to any plugin which is already
packaged as: wordpress-plugin-add-to-any.noarch

bye
Luca
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