Re: [Inkscape-docs] Questions concerning the website's content

2016-06-03 Thread Maren Hachmann
Hi Sylvain,

Am 03.06.2016 um 01:07 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
> 1. For more space and better reading, headings (h2) are often preceded
> by an empty paragraph,

- as suggested by Martin, feel free to fix this. As you're still making
your first commits to the repo, for any bigger changes than this simple
CSS fix, please make a branch and a merge request, so we can share some
feedback.

If you do make this change, it would help if you could also take some
time to remove (at least a few of) the paragraphs when the fix has been
released, so the pages will not look weird due to huge gaps between the
headings and the following texts.

> 2. It is quite hard to find the part we want when editing the FAQ; could
> we subdivide the only text plugin in several text plugins, one for each
> section?

- That's an option. Before we continue to discuss if it is to be
implemented, please research if those plugins must then also be added to
all translations.

It may be that missing plugins will automatically be substituted by
their English counterparts (I think due to a bug in current django, this
does not happen, but as soon as they fix the bug, there could be a
problem - there was something about this in their bug tracker, I seem to
remember).

I could imagine splitting the FAQ into its major 7 sections, but having
a single one for each question would make editing a bit annoying (also
it's too much editing work to put that change in, as copy-paste for
links or images between plugins might not work as expected).

> 3. Is it possible to translate the two following pages, or will it be
> made possible?
> * https://inkscape.org/fr/apropos/captures/
> * https://inkscape.org/fr/teams/ (and why not teams themselves)

- See https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape-web/+bug/1542925 for an
explanation and a feature request.

Kind Regards,
 Maren

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Questions concerning the website's content

2016-06-03 Thread Brynn
> About that TOC plugin, it seems you really didn't get it… even if we
> tried to explain.

Yes, I understand it now.  Apparently you and Maren and Martin can add new 
questions, as well as answers.  But I can't add new questions - only 
answers, because I can't edit the code.

The TOC is frustrating for me, because I originally typed/edited everything 
on the page (by writing the html directly, which I find enjoyable).  But 
like so many other parts of the website cms/django, it very much limits what 
I am able to do.  Now, except for minor edits, here and there, all I can 
contribute is comments about the website content.  By now, most of the 
website is controlled from a level that I don't have access to, and couldn't 
use it, even if I did.

> Okay, but then, how can you edit the plugins? This is the main problem.

When I first created that page, the only plugin available (to me) was Links. 
At first, I didn't use it at all, because it didn't work.  But later, we 
found the problem was one of my Firefox plugins that blocks the referrer 
header.  So then, I was able to fix all the links.

All best,
brynn


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To: "Brynn" 
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Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Questions concerning the website's content

> Le 03/06/2016 à 05:45, Brynn a écrit :
>>For #1, I brought this up a long time ago.  Well, something very
>> similar (I think it was the h3 style I wanted to tweak, or maybe
>> h4.). I think the text styling needs an overhaulor at least a
>> tweak.  Styles, and maybe even some classes or IDs, etc. too.  The reply
>> at that time was that we were considering a new website design in the
>> foreseeable future. Although it seems like it stays in the distant
>> future, and doesn't get closer.  But the response was let's talk about
>> it when we are getting a new design.
>
> Sure, we could have a better design… Currently pages' content is a bit
> blunt. I don't think it's the right moment as the focus is on the 0.92
> release. We could work on it in a few months if you want.
> I also have other work, such as translating that FLOSS manual…
>
>>There's a good chance that I put most of those empty paragraphs
>> in there.  The pages, and especially the pages with a lot of text, come
>> across as imposing -- the wall of text, as they say.  So I think they
>> are the best we can do currently.  I would not want to remove them until
>> we have a good replacement.  Do you think visitors to the site recognize
>> that it's an empty paragraph?  I don't see how they could know the
>> difference, unless maybe if they are website designers
>
> If they are a bit interested in style, typography or semantics like I
> am, they will notice that some headings have more space above them than
> others, and they will now that use of an empty paragraph to add more
> space in computer writing (most probably think it's a good use).
> They can also inspect the DOM (the document tree), of course.
>
>>Are the changes you suggest something that could be made easily?
>> I'll have to refresh my html, and dig in a little bit, to understand
>> specifically what you mention.  In general, I understand what you're
>> saying. But as far as the code itself, that's not in the front of my
>> memory.
>
> Yes, this is a very simple change, I can commit it within one minute.
> To understand what I meant, just right-click on a heading, and click the
> last menu item ‘Inspect element’. The inspector should appear, showing
> the document tree, and the tag/node for the heading you right-clicked
> will be selected. The styles that apply to the selected node are shown
> on the right.
> The style property I refer to is ‘margin’.
> In Firefox at least, you should see ‘main.css:line number’, indicating
> the place where the rule is defined. If you click on it, you'll go to
> the file.
>
>>If the changes can be easily inserted into the css, I'd say let's
>> do it.  But in this case, one change may lead to another and another.
>> So maybe better to wait until everyone is focused on the new design?  At
>> least that's what I like to call "my simple-minded thoughts".
>
> I think we can just do it because I'm very focused on the
> typography/semantics of the website and this is quite annoying…
>
>>((We (Sylvain and I) might not have had a formal introduction.
>> So just for general info  I do not have a local installation of the
>> website.  The only code I know is simple html, and my understanding of
>> how websites work is fairly general and non-technical.  (For example,
>> this caching that's been mentioned so much lately -- I only understand
>> the definition of "caching" and not what happens technically with the
>> server.) I can add and edit the site content, using the django wysiwyg
>> and/or the source/html.  And I can join discussions about the content.
>> But I 

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Questions concerning the website's content

2016-06-03 Thread Martin Owens
On Fri, 2016-06-03 at 08:27 +0200, Sylvain Chiron wrote:
> Although it seems like it stays in the distant
> > future, and doesn't get closer.  But the response was let's talk
> about
> > it when we are getting a new design.
> 
> Sure, we could have a better design… Currently pages' content is a
> bit
> blunt. I don't think it's the right moment as the focus is on the
> 0.92
> release. We could work on it in a few months if you want.

I can say that you should consider any new website design to be frozen
and you can sort on any part of the design for the website for
incremental improvements. I've been ding that for the past few months
too.

If you change H1, h2, h3 styles, just remember to be specific in your
css and say .page h1 { ... }, so that the styles won't change non-cms
content pages. (unless that's what you want to do of course)

You can email me updated css files if you're not sure about patching or
merge requests.

Martin,

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