Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
Hi Brynn and Vardenis, and everyone else, just answering Brynn's questions now. Am 13.01.2017 um 02:44 schrieb brynn: >That's assuming it's allowed to have 2 words in a single tag? - Yes, that is possible. > Everyone, > > -- I would suggest that whoever uploads the video should have watched it > all the way through. Sometimes a video gets uploaded (to YT or vimeo) > which is broken - either the video or the sound craps out halfway > through, for example. Or sometimes they're just poor quality video or > sound. - This is possible for videos where 'we' post the link, but not for videos uploaded by 'just any' user. We can maybe add a way to mark videos as 'featured' or 'recommendable' (e.g. by uploading it under a specified user name, or into a specific gallery, or by a mechanism that would still need to be added or repurposed), but letting users decide, by upvoting, is much easier on our staff resources. > Should we discuss and post guidelines for tutorials that we want toI > can't think of the right word? Not exactly "bless", but we're > essentially recommending or approving them. And it seems like if anyone > can load anyone else's tutorials, there should be some kind of quality > control. - All we may be checking for in 'anybody''s uploads is that they do not contain spam, or are intentionally misleading. For the rest, if your neighbour makes a little video, where he presents his favourite Inkscape tool to the world, he's welcome to link it from the Inkscape website. > When I was thinking of doing it, all that stuff is already in > my mind. But if all kinds of people will do it, I wonder if there > should be some guidelines? - The guidelines are in the community CoC. A video is just a resource like any other one. > Either that, or new ones will need to be > moderated (by a moderator watching or reading the whole thing, judging > its quality, and possibly tagging). And it seems like the person who > uploads it should bear that burden. Moderators will already have a lot > of work to do, and watching new videos will take more time. - Yes, people who upload a video link, or artwork, or tutorial, or anything are responsible for their uploads. Moderator(s) currently have a very light job, there's little to do, fortunately. It takes me less than 15 minutes a day to check all uploads, and unpublish or delete, deactivate user accounts if suitable, or add more or less encouraging comments and questions. > I wonder if it might be better for 1 person to be responsible for > judging the skill level (beginner, intermediate, advanced)? Because > people are going to be all over the place with that, and I fear that > those ratings will quickly become useless (if they aren't consistent). - If someone disputes the difficulty level of a video, they can always ask for it to be changed in a comment. It's not a strict science, so even when a single person does it, it may feel very different for another person. For the videos that we 'feature', if we decide to do so, the input of everyone who is interested in watching the videos will be taken into account for setting the level. I doubt it's a topic we'll want to have long discussions about, though. >I'm not sure if there will be some kind of limit on the number of > videos, or tutorials in general? - Links are tiny in our db, so this won't be a problem. >So if I'm understanding how it works better, the only difference > between clicking on a text link, and clicking on a video in the gallery, > is that it can possibly have a thumbnail image in the gallery? (Oh! > When contacting the author, I would ask if they want to provide a > thumbnail.) - That, and that the video can be watched while you stay on the Inkscape website. >So that's why there's no copyright issue. We aren't actually > uploading their videos. Instead, we'rewell, it would be sort of > hotlinking, except for YT does allow that, since they even provide the > embedding code themselves. - It's called embedding :) >Well, something still feels weird about this kind of routine. I > assume it takes more resources - bandwidth, space, cpu or other? to do > it using the gallery, than just a simple text link. - Possibly. On the upside, people can sort to their liking, use the upvotes of others as recommendations, and use a search, they can comment, interact. It's so much more interactive and community-building than a list. Also more visually attractive... > I guess I'm just old > fashioned. I'd rather see nicely organized text, lists or table, where > potentially hundreds of tutorials can be linked on one page. - Maybe :) Those kinds of pages are rare nowadays. People aren't used to see them a lot anymore. > The > visitor can quickly scan the page for the category they need. Rather > than a gallery entry, where you can only seewhat is it, 20 at once. > And you have to search for your catagory, where if you don't already > know
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
Hi Brynn, Most of what you say is right. > Well, something still feels weird about this kind of routine. It's perfectly normal for the internet. It's just like putting links into a spreadsheet instead of a text document. We have more flexibility with the spreadsheet as it's DATA, rather than text, which must be reformatted manually every time. > I assume it takes more resources - bandwidth, space, cpu or other? To host our own? Yeah, it's 300 times more pressure than a text file and 20 times more pressure than a large image. We'd need a server FARM, rather than a single machine. So since we can embed and link to youtube we do that. Wven my own videos will be on youtube and I'll be generally deleting any large videos that might be uploaded by other people since as an administrator I draw the line as hosting video directly. Of course there may be future exceptions, but I feel this is a fairly good baseline rule. > to do it using the > gallery, than just a simple text link. I guess I'm just old > fashioned. I'd > rather see nicely organized text, lists or table, where potentially > hundreds of > tutorials can be linked on one page. That's the elegance of DATA, we can turn the links into a list and design a page for the content that's disconnected from the actual content. So management of which videos becomes a parallel job that ANYONE can do, and page design becomes something that web designers do in code. The DATA can also be indexed, so text searches and drill down categorisation become possible. Overall it's much better to have this sort of thing in a SYSTEM, than to have it in a manually curated text file. > Or is it never in the plans? I think it would make the website even > better. In this case, there's no clear benefit to hosting our own. Only costs and burdens to us. Youtube (and others) so a fine job allowing embedding and handle many hairy issues for us. Our job is to integrate well enough to make it worthwhile for people to list their tutorials on the website. I'm hoping the new link function will make that easier. Best Regards, Martin Owens -- Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. Training and support from Colfax. Order your platform today. http://sdm.link/xeonphi ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
(long-ish) Vardenis, I think it would be ok to make some simple updates to that page. Because I don't want to start on the uploading process (search for tutorials, contact authors, review tutorial, tag, upload) until we get the forum issue finally settled. And at this point, who knows when that's going to happen. But since anyone can do it, Vardenis, maybe you would want to help on this project, instead of updating the Video Tutorials page? Maybe you can pick out what you think are the best video tutorials, and "upload the links" yourself? (One of us can show you how, if you need help.) You wouldn't have to take on the whole thing yourself. Maybe just a few or several that you think are "must have". Whatever you have time for. I guess it would be polite to contact the authors? Also, don't forget vimeo. There are a couple of really good tutorial authors there. Use my page to help find them, if you like. Also, please tag them well. I would probably tag the main tools that are used in the video. If the video produces a particular image, as its main goal (as opposed to teaching a technique) put that in a tag too, such as "shiny button", "extruded text", "wireframe globe", etc. If it's a technique, tag that (for example, "pattern along path" or "interpolate", etc.). And of course tag "video". That's assuming it's allowed to have 2 words in a single tag? Everyone, -- I would suggest that whoever uploads the video should have watched it all the way through. Sometimes a video gets uploaded (to YT or vimeo) which is broken - either the video or the sound craps out halfway through, for example. Or sometimes they're just poor quality video or sound. -- I would suggest there not be any very confusing sections, sections that go too fast, or that gives incorrect information. -- I would suggest Not to upload videos with only music in the background. There are SO many videos (and text tutorials) around by now, that we can easily afford to be picky, and still have more than we can use. Narration definitely preferred. Note that jabiertxo would be an exception :-D (-- I would like to add a note to all of Nick Soporito's that what he routinely calls "The Arrow Tool" is really the Selection Tool. But I'm not sure if that would be too much work. I've even mentioned it to him, but he's not willing to change.) Should we discuss and post guidelines for tutorials that we want toI can't think of the right word? Not exactly "bless", but we're essentially recommending or approving them. And it seems like if anyone can load anyone else's tutorials, there should be some kind of quality control. When I was thinking of doing it, all that stuff is already in my mind. But if all kinds of people will do it, I wonder if there should be some guidelines? Either that, or new ones will need to be moderated (by a moderator watching or reading the whole thing, judging its quality, and possibly tagging). And it seems like the person who uploads it should bear that burden. Moderators will already have a lot of work to do, and watching new videos will take more time. I wonder if it might be better for 1 person to be responsible for judging the skill level (beginner, intermediate, advanced)? Because people are going to be all over the place with that, and I fear that those ratings will quickly become useless (if they aren't consistent). I'm not sure if there will be some kind of limit on the number of videos, or tutorials in general? So if I'm understanding how it works better, the only difference between clicking on a text link, and clicking on a video in the gallery, is that it can possibly have a thumbnail image in the gallery? (Oh! When contacting the author, I would ask if they want to provide a thumbnail.) So that's why there's no copyright issue. We aren't actually uploading their videos. Instead, we'rewell, it would be sort of hotlinking, except for YT does allow that, since they even provide the embedding code themselves. Well, something still feels weird about this kind of routine. I assume it takes more resources - bandwidth, space, cpu or other? to do it using the gallery, than just a simple text link. I guess I'm just old fashioned. I'd rather see nicely organized text, lists or table, where potentially hundreds of tutorials can be linked on one page. The visitor can quickly scan the page for the category they need. Rather than a gallery entry, where you can only seewhat is it, 20 at once. And you have to search for your catagory, where if you don't already know the terminology of what you're looking for, you won't be very successful finding it. And the website speed.well, I hope we get more space sooner than later. If and when we get more server space, could we host our own video tutorials? Or is it never in the plans? I think it would make
