Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: O+ 1st results
On 15/02/13 10:25, Paul Dragoonis wrote: > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Damien Tournoud wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: >>> no, MediaWiki caching modules only support APC or Wincache so far. >> As far as I understand, O+ doesn't have any user caching support, right? >> >> So the comparison needs to be with user caching disabled in Mediawiki >> when running with APC or Wincache. > Hi Damien, > > No, O+ doesn't have user level caching, it's only for opcode caching. It > was discussed that APC should continue to provide user level caching. Does that mean that MediaWiki was using O+ for opcode cache and APC for user level cache? The best way to compare them would be to test both opcode caches with a memcached server. No interaction between extensions, and no difference in the connections to access the caching store. Moreover, if you are using a production setup with multiple servers, you need to use memcached. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: O+ 1st results
Hello Damien, > -Original Message- > From: Damien Tournoud [mailto:d...@damz.org] > > I assume that something is functionally wrong on Symfony/O+: > > Symfony, IIS, cache, PHP5.5.0devvc11: 2195 Symfony, IIS, cache, > PHP5.5.0devvc11: 1919 Symfony, IIS, cache, PHP5.5.0devvc11: 2127 > Yes, that is correct. We've since corrected the issue for symfony and ran another test with better results. You can always find our test results at the following page (organized by date, top to bottom): http://windows.php.net/downloads/snaps/ostc/pftt/perf/ We'll be running these tests constantly. The next run should also include fixes for ZTS and other things, so please feel free to keep an eye on the latest results and let me know if you have questions. Thanks! Stephen A. Zarkos Microsoft Open Source Technology Center Office: 425-704-0422 stephen.zar...@microsoft.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: O+ 1st results
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Damien Tournoud wrote: > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: > > > > >>Mediawiki is slower because it does not support yet O+ for usercache, > > >>along other things. > > > > > > Is the same the case with Symfony? > > > > no, MediaWiki caching modules only support APC or Wincache so far. > > As far as I understand, O+ doesn't have any user caching support, right? > > So the comparison needs to be with user caching disabled in Mediawiki > when running with APC or Wincache. > Hi Damien, No, O+ doesn't have user level caching, it's only for opcode caching. It was discussed that APC should continue to provide user level caching. > > Damien > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: O+ 1st results
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: > > >>Mediawiki is slower because it does not support yet O+ for usercache, > >>along other things. > > > > Is the same the case with Symfony? > > no, MediaWiki caching modules only support APC or Wincache so far. As far as I understand, O+ doesn't have any user caching support, right? So the comparison needs to be with user caching disabled in Mediawiki when running with APC or Wincache. Damien -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: O+ 1st results
I assume that something is functionally wrong on Symfony/O+: Symfony, IIS, cache, PHP5.5.0devvc11: 2195 Symfony, IIS, cache, PHP5.5.0devvc11: 1919 Symfony, IIS, cache, PHP5.5.0devvc11: 2127 There was a previous report that Twig did not work at all with optimizations enabled. Damien On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Jan Ehrhardt wrote: >> Pierre Joye in php.internals (Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:54:03 +0100): >>>On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Jan Ehrhardt wrote: >> > http://windows.php.net/downloads/snaps/ostc/pftt/perf/results-20130213-5.4.11-5.5.0devvc11.html Is that the column 5.5.0devvc11 under APC -igbinary? I have a Drupal7 site running on my devserver (W2K8, Apache 2.4.3, PHP 5.3.21 TS as mod_fcgid) and do not get the idea it is running at one third (21.9 / 69.4) of the speed of the same site without any cache at all. >>> >>>No, but O+ is broken right now in ZTS, it makes no sense to do further >>>testing before it works for more than 0.5 request ;) >>> >>>But running TS builds in FCGI reduces drastically the issues due to >>>thread safety bugs, while it makes no sense to use them, fcgi and the >>>likes should rely on NTS builds. ZTS will do all kind of locks where >>>it is absolutely not required, that explains at least 15-20% of the >>>perf drop, virtual paths cover the rest. >> >> I will try to compare the same site side-by-side with different configs. >> The dev-server has 4 IPv4=adresses which gives a lot of config options. >> >Mediawiki is slower because it does not support yet O+ for usercache, >along other things. Is the same the case with Symfony? >>> >>>no, MediaWiki caching modules only support APC or Wincache so far. >> >> Is the performance drop for Symfony in the Wincache test due to the fact >> that wincache is optimized for IIS or are there other reasons? > > Did not analyze it yet. > > WinCache is not IIS optimized but FastCGI (read: process based). Also > we did not enabled file IO cache, which could bring it up in line. > But as neither APC or O+ have it, it cannot be compared. > > Cheers, > -- > Pierre > > @pierrejoye > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: O+ 1st results
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Jan Ehrhardt wrote: > Pierre Joye in php.internals (Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:54:03 +0100): >>On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Jan Ehrhardt wrote: > http://windows.php.net/downloads/snaps/ostc/pftt/perf/results-20130213-5.4.11-5.5.0devvc11.html >>> >>> Is that the column 5.5.0devvc11 under APC -igbinary? I have a Drupal7 >>> site running on my devserver (W2K8, Apache 2.4.3, PHP 5.3.21 TS as >>> mod_fcgid) and do not get the idea it is running at one third (21.9 / >>> 69.4) of the speed of the same site without any cache at all. >> >>No, but O+ is broken right now in ZTS, it makes no sense to do further >>testing before it works for more than 0.5 request ;) >> >>But running TS builds in FCGI reduces drastically the issues due to >>thread safety bugs, while it makes no sense to use them, fcgi and the >>likes should rely on NTS builds. ZTS will do all kind of locks where >>it is absolutely not required, that explains at least 15-20% of the >>perf drop, virtual paths cover the rest. > > I will try to compare the same site side-by-side with different configs. > The dev-server has 4 IPv4=adresses which gives a lot of config options. > Mediawiki is slower because it does not support yet O+ for usercache, along other things. >>> >>> Is the same the case with Symfony? >> >>no, MediaWiki caching modules only support APC or Wincache so far. > > Is the performance drop for Symfony in the Wincache test due to the fact > that wincache is optimized for IIS or are there other reasons? Did not analyze it yet. WinCache is not IIS optimized but FastCGI (read: process based). Also we did not enabled file IO cache, which could bring it up in line. But as neither APC or O+ have it, it cannot be compared. Cheers, -- Pierre @pierrejoye -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: O+ 1st results
Pierre Joye in php.internals (Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:54:03 +0100): >On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Jan Ehrhardt wrote: >>>http://windows.php.net/downloads/snaps/ostc/pftt/perf/results-20130213-5.4.11-5.5.0devvc11.html >> >> Is that the column 5.5.0devvc11 under APC -igbinary? I have a Drupal7 >> site running on my devserver (W2K8, Apache 2.4.3, PHP 5.3.21 TS as >> mod_fcgid) and do not get the idea it is running at one third (21.9 / >> 69.4) of the speed of the same site without any cache at all. > >No, but O+ is broken right now in ZTS, it makes no sense to do further >testing before it works for more than 0.5 request ;) > >But running TS builds in FCGI reduces drastically the issues due to >thread safety bugs, while it makes no sense to use them, fcgi and the >likes should rely on NTS builds. ZTS will do all kind of locks where >it is absolutely not required, that explains at least 15-20% of the >perf drop, virtual paths cover the rest. I will try to compare the same site side-by-side with different configs. The dev-server has 4 IPv4=adresses which gives a lot of config options. >>>Mediawiki is slower because it does not support yet O+ for usercache, >>>along other things. >> >> Is the same the case with Symfony? > >no, MediaWiki caching modules only support APC or Wincache so far. Is the performance drop for Symfony in the Wincache test due to the fact that wincache is optimized for IIS or are there other reasons? Jan -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: O+ 1st results
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Jan Ehrhardt wrote: > Hi Pierre, > > Pierre Joye in php.internals (Fri, 15 Feb 2013 07:21:00 +0100): >>http://windows.php.net/downloads/snaps/ostc/pftt/perf/results-20130213-5.4.11-5.5.0devvc11.html >> >>We did not update the templates for the report, please read the table as: >> >>- No Cache: >> . 5.5 VC11 PGO vs 5.4 VC9 PGO >>- Wincache >> . 5.4 PGO + Wincache vs 5.5 PGO + O+ >> >>TS mode is totally broken using O+, so ignore this column. > > Is that the column 5.5.0devvc11 under APC -igbinary? I have a Drupal7 > site running on my devserver (W2K8, Apache 2.4.3, PHP 5.3.21 TS as > mod_fcgid) and do not get the idea it is running at one third (21.9 / > 69.4) of the speed of the same site without any cache at all. No, but O+ is broken right now in ZTS, it makes no sense to do further testing before it works for more than 0.5 request ;) But running TS builds in FCGI reduces drastically the issues due to thread safety bugs, while it makes no sense to use them, fcgi and the likes should rely on NTS builds. ZTS will do all kind of locks where it is absolutely not required, that explains at least 15-20% of the perf drop, virtual paths cover the rest. > Do you have an idea what goes wrong? Not yet, Dmitry told me that he will work on it today. >>Mediawiki is slower because it does not support yet O+ for usercache, >>along other things. > > Is the same the case with Symfony? no, MediaWiki caching modules only support APC or Wincache so far. Cheers, -- Pierre @pierrejoye -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP-DEV] Re: O+ 1st results
Hi Pierre, Pierre Joye in php.internals (Fri, 15 Feb 2013 07:21:00 +0100): >http://windows.php.net/downloads/snaps/ostc/pftt/perf/results-20130213-5.4.11-5.5.0devvc11.html > >We did not update the templates for the report, please read the table as: > >- No Cache: > . 5.5 VC11 PGO vs 5.4 VC9 PGO >- Wincache > . 5.4 PGO + Wincache vs 5.5 PGO + O+ > >TS mode is totally broken using O+, so ignore this column. Is that the column 5.5.0devvc11 under APC -igbinary? I have a Drupal7 site running on my devserver (W2K8, Apache 2.4.3, PHP 5.3.21 TS as mod_fcgid) and do not get the idea it is running at one third (21.9 / 69.4) of the speed of the same site without any cache at all. Do you have an idea what goes wrong? >Mediawiki is slower because it does not support yet O+ for usercache, >along other things. Is the same the case with Symfony? Jan -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
