Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net upgrade

[Mark Randall]

On 08/04/2021 19:38, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
I think it's just because nobody has focused attention to it. As you 
see, once it was focused, it has happened.



This is usually referred to as shutting the stable door after the horse 
has bolted.


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Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net upgrade

[Stanislav Malyshev]

Hi!

Nobody has updated the wiki in several years, despite warnings, and two 
very public breaches of security that we know about.


I think it's just because nobody has focused attention to it. As you 
see, once it was focused, it has happened.


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Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net upgrade

[Stanislav Malyshev]

On 4/8/21 7:44 AM, Niklas Keller wrote:

Hey all,

the wiki is up to date now with the help of @Sergey Panteleev 
. :-)


Thank you both!
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Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net upgrade

[Niklas Keller]

Hey all,

the wiki is up to date now with the help of @Sergey Panteleev
. :-)

Sorry for the upgrade downtime being slightly longer than intended.

Best,
Niklas

Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net upgrade

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hmm…

> I've tried the same yesterday, but the auth plugin does no longer work for 
> me. I get a 404 after trying to sign in.

Can you also check the .htaccess file?

IMO, it should fail on /start page without additional settings.

I deployed for the test here: https://wiki.s-panteleev.ru/

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From: Niklas Keller 
Date: Thursday, 8 April 2021, 13:15
To: Sergey Panteleev , Stanislav Malyshev 

Cc: PHP internals 
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net upgrade
Hey Sergey,

I've tried the same yesterday, but the auth plugin does no longer work for me. 
I get a 404 after trying to sign in.

2692 files changed, 35365 insertions(+), 102210 deletions(-)

Dokuwiki changed a lot in the latest release, e.g. namespacing and refactoring 
quite a bit. I'll need to have a look at the plugin.

@Stanislav Malyshev<mailto:smalys...@gmail.com>: We're only one release behind, 
the other three yellow bars are about release candidates. However, Dokuwiki 
might not be PHP 8 compatible, yet, at least the latest release only says it 
fixes PHP 7.4 compatibility.

I'd be open to replace the wiki with a Git repository and markdown. I prepared 
that a long time ago by writing a Dokuwiki -> Markdown converter.

The main challenges I see are:
 - Voting
 - Voting access for people without VCS account

Voting could probably be moved into main.php.net<http://main.php.net> (except 
for people without a VCS account, but we could probably approve an account 
there without any further access?)

Best,
Niklas

Am Do., 8. Apr. 2021 um 11:16 Uhr schrieb Sergey Panteleev 
mailto:ser...@s-panteleev.ru>>:
Hi there!

Oops .. for some reason an empty message came, try again =(

I prepared an upgrade to the last release [1].
I tested locally, it seems ok.

Can we test it in the production environment, but not yet release it?

[1] https://github.com/php/web-wiki/pull/15

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From: Joe Watkins mailto:krak...@gmail.com>>
Date: Thursday, 8 April 2021, 11:23
To: Stanislav Malyshev mailto:smalys...@gmail.com>>
Cc: PHP internals mailto:internals@lists.php.net>>
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net<http://wiki.php.net> upgrade
Any use case we have for content or collaboration is best served by
whomever or whatever is going to secure that content or ability to
collaborate.

Nobody has updated the wiki in several years, despite warnings, and two
very public breaches of security that we know about.

We don't have the people to maintain our own infrastructure, let's stop
pretending we do.

Cheers
Joe

On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 08:15, Stanislav Malyshev 
mailto:smalys...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> > If we want to keep using wiki.php.net<http://wiki.php.net> then, sure, we 
> > should update it.
> > We could also migrate the wiki to GitHub.
> >
> > We also already have https://github.com/php/php-rfcs which we could use
> > for RFCs instead of a wiki going forward.
>
> Wiki isn't used only for RFCs, there's more content there than that. I
> personally think wiki serves these use cases much better than Github would.
>
> --
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Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net upgrade

[Niklas Keller]

Hey Sergey,

I've tried the same yesterday, but the auth plugin does no longer work for
me. I get a 404 after trying to sign in.

2692 files changed, 35365 insertions(+), 102210 deletions(-)

Dokuwiki changed a lot in the latest release, e.g. namespacing and
refactoring quite a bit. I'll need to have a look at the plugin.

@Stanislav Malyshev : We're only one release behind,
the other three yellow bars are about release candidates. However, Dokuwiki
might not be PHP 8 compatible, yet, at least the latest release only says
it fixes PHP 7.4 compatibility.

I'd be open to replace the wiki with a Git repository and markdown. I
prepared that a long time ago by writing a Dokuwiki -> Markdown converter.

The main challenges I see are:
 - Voting
 - Voting access for people without VCS account

Voting could probably be moved into main.php.net (except for people without
a VCS account, but we could probably approve an account there without any
further access?)

Best,
Niklas

Am Do., 8. Apr. 2021 um 11:16 Uhr schrieb Sergey Panteleev <
ser...@s-panteleev.ru>:

> Hi there!
>
> Oops .. for some reason an empty message came, try again =(
>
> I prepared an upgrade to the last release [1].
> I tested locally, it seems ok.
>
> Can we test it in the production environment, but not yet release it?
>
> [1] https://github.com/php/web-wiki/pull/15
>
> —
> wbr,
> Sergey Panteleev
>
>
> From: Joe Watkins 
> Date: Thursday, 8 April 2021, 11:23
> To: Stanislav Malyshev 
> Cc: PHP internals 
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net upgrade
> Any use case we have for content or collaboration is best served by
> whomever or whatever is going to secure that content or ability to
> collaborate.
>
> Nobody has updated the wiki in several years, despite warnings, and two
> very public breaches of security that we know about.
>
> We don't have the people to maintain our own infrastructure, let's stop
> pretending we do.
>
> Cheers
> Joe
>
> On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 08:15, Stanislav Malyshev 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > > If we want to keep using wiki.php.net then, sure, we should update it.
> > > We could also migrate the wiki to GitHub.
> > >
> > > We also already have https://github.com/php/php-rfcs which we could
> use
> > > for RFCs instead of a wiki going forward.
> >
> > Wiki isn't used only for RFCs, there's more content there than that. I
> > personally think wiki serves these use cases much better than Github
> would.
> >
> > --
> > Stas Malyshev
> > smalys...@gmail.com
> >
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> >
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Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net upgrade

[Joe Watkins]

First, thanks for taking the time to do that.

I don't think we have a staging capability for the wiki.

I don't think it's likely that anyone will review the pull request.

I would suggest that you request access to commit to the wiki, and then
email systems to get access to the wiki machine.

Someone else may have better or more specific suggestions for you.

Cheers
Joe

On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 11:16, Sergey Panteleev  wrote:

> Hi there!
>
> Oops .. for some reason an empty message came, try again =(
>
> I prepared an upgrade to the last release [1].
> I tested locally, it seems ok.
>
> Can we test it in the production environment, but not yet release it?
>
> [1] https://github.com/php/web-wiki/pull/15
>
> —
> wbr,
> Sergey Panteleev
>
>
> From: Joe Watkins 
> Date: Thursday, 8 April 2021, 11:23
> To: Stanislav Malyshev 
> Cc: PHP internals 
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net upgrade
> Any use case we have for content or collaboration is best served by
> whomever or whatever is going to secure that content or ability to
> collaborate.
>
> Nobody has updated the wiki in several years, despite warnings, and two
> very public breaches of security that we know about.
>
> We don't have the people to maintain our own infrastructure, let's stop
> pretending we do.
>
> Cheers
> Joe
>
> On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 08:15, Stanislav Malyshev 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > > If we want to keep using wiki.php.net then, sure, we should update it.
> > > We could also migrate the wiki to GitHub.
> > >
> > > We also already have https://github.com/php/php-rfcs which we could
> use
> > > for RFCs instead of a wiki going forward.
> >
> > Wiki isn't used only for RFCs, there's more content there than that. I
> > personally think wiki serves these use cases much better than Github
> would.
> >
> > --
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> > smalys...@gmail.com
> >
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> >
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Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net upgrade

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hi there!

Oops .. for some reason an empty message came, try again =(

I prepared an upgrade to the last release [1].
I tested locally, it seems ok.

Can we test it in the production environment, but not yet release it?

[1] https://github.com/php/web-wiki/pull/15

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Sergey Panteleev


From: Joe Watkins 
Date: Thursday, 8 April 2021, 11:23
To: Stanislav Malyshev 
Cc: PHP internals 
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net upgrade
Any use case we have for content or collaboration is best served by
whomever or whatever is going to secure that content or ability to
collaborate.

Nobody has updated the wiki in several years, despite warnings, and two
very public breaches of security that we know about.

We don't have the people to maintain our own infrastructure, let's stop
pretending we do.

Cheers
Joe

On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 08:15, Stanislav Malyshev  wrote:

> Hi!
>
> > If we want to keep using wiki.php.net then, sure, we should update it.
> > We could also migrate the wiki to GitHub.
> >
> > We also already have https://github.com/php/php-rfcs which we could use
> > for RFCs instead of a wiki going forward.
>
> Wiki isn't used only for RFCs, there's more content there than that. I
> personally think wiki serves these use cases much better than Github would.
>
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> smalys...@gmail.com
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Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net upgrade

[Sergey Panteleev]

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Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net upgrade

[Joe Watkins]

Any use case we have for content or collaboration is best served by
whomever or whatever is going to secure that content or ability to
collaborate.

Nobody has updated the wiki in several years, despite warnings, and two
very public breaches of security that we know about.

We don't have the people to maintain our own infrastructure, let's stop
pretending we do.

Cheers
Joe

On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 08:15, Stanislav Malyshev  wrote:

> Hi!
>
> > If we want to keep using wiki.php.net then, sure, we should update it.
> > We could also migrate the wiki to GitHub.
> >
> > We also already have https://github.com/php/php-rfcs which we could use
> > for RFCs instead of a wiki going forward.
>
> Wiki isn't used only for RFCs, there's more content there than that. I
> personally think wiki serves these use cases much better than Github would.
>
> --
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> smalys...@gmail.com
>
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Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net upgrade

[Stanislav Malyshev]

Hi!

If we want to keep using wiki.php.net then, sure, we should update it. 
We could also migrate the wiki to GitHub.


We also already have https://github.com/php/php-rfcs which we could use 
for RFCs instead of a wiki going forward.


Wiki isn't used only for RFCs, there's more content there than that. I 
personally think wiki serves these use cases much better than Github would.


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Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net upgrade

[Sebastian Bergmann]

Am 08.04.2021 um 08:01 schrieb Stanislav Malyshev:
Given that we're upgrading and updating our infrastructure, maybe it's 
time to update the wiki.php.net wiki too? I count five upgrade warnings 
there now, and I am not sure, but I think we could assume there were some 
bugfixes in it since 2017.


If we want to keep using wiki.php.net then, sure, we should update it. We 
could also migrate the wiki to GitHub.


We also already have https://github.com/php/php-rfcs which we could use 
for RFCs instead of a wiki going forward.


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Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net

[Niklas Keller]

Hey all,

the upgrade to the latest release is live now. Please report any
issues directly to me.

Regards, Niklas

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Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net

[Niklas Keller]

I am. I already wanted to make the upgrade last weekend, but didn't
find the time. Hopefully I'll find the time for that tomorrow.

Regards, Niklas

Am Do., 14. Feb. 2019 um 09:33 Uhr schrieb Sebastian Bergmann
:
>
> Who is in charge of wiki.php.net and updates for its software? I ask
> because every time I am (logged in) on that site I see warnings such as
>
> Hotfix release available: 2018-04-22b "Greebo". upgrade now!
> Hotfix release available: 2018-04-22a "Greebo". upgrade now!
> New release available: 2018-04-22 "Greebo". upgrade now!
> Hotfix release available: 2017-02-19f "Frusterick Manners". upgrade now!
>
> I don't know if any of these updates are critical but maybe the software
> should be updated anyway?
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Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net

[Ben Ramsey]

> On Feb 14, 2019, at 02:33, Sebastian Bergmann  wrote:
> 
> Who is in charge of wiki.php.net and updates for its software? I ask because 
> every time I am (logged in) on that site I see warnings such as
> 
> Hotfix release available: 2018-04-22b "Greebo". upgrade now!
> Hotfix release available: 2018-04-22a "Greebo". upgrade now!
> New release available: 2018-04-22 "Greebo". upgrade now!
> Hotfix release available: 2017-02-19f "Frusterick Manners". upgrade now!
> 
> I don't know if any of these updates are critical but maybe the software 
> should be updated anyway?

Here’s who has access to the machine: https://wiki.php.net/systems/wiki

Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net access

[Kalle Sommer Nielsen]

2016-09-03 1:56 GMT+02:00 Ilija Tovilo :
> Basically, I’ve been working with PHP professionally for quite a few years. 
> The thing I’m mostly interested in is giving feedback to RFCs. I’ve worked 
> with a variety of different programming languages and think that I can bring 
> some valid arguments to the table as to why certain features would prove 
> beneficial or why not.

You do not need a wiki account to giving feedbak about RFCs ;-) --
They are all posted to the PHP internals mailing list, see
http://php.net/mailinglists


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Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net

[Lars Strojny]

Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 06.03.2008, 01:24 +0100 schrieb Pierre Joye:
[...]
 Maybe SOC:2008, using SOC as namespace and 200X for the main pages is better.

I like that. Is it possible to configure the namespace separator? I
would prefer /.

cu, Lars


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Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net

[Pierre Joye]

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:23 AM, Lars Strojny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

  Am Donnerstag, den 06.03.2008, 01:24 +0100 schrieb Pierre Joye:
  [...]

  Maybe SOC:2008, using SOC as namespace and 200X for the main pages is 
  better.

  I like that. Is it possible to configure the namespace separator? I
  would prefer /.

It should be possible by modifying the rewrite rules but I rather
prefer to keep it as standard as possible to ease updates and fixes :)

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Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net

[Lukas Kahwe Smith]

On 06.03.2008, at 09:26, Pierre Joye wrote:


On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:23 AM, Lars Strojny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 06.03.2008, 01:24 +0100 schrieb Pierre Joye:
[...]

Maybe SOC:2008, using SOC as namespace and 200X for the main pages  
is better.


I like that. Is it possible to configure the namespace separator? I
would prefer /.


It should be possible by modifying the rewrite rules but I rather
prefer to keep it as standard as possible to ease updates and fixes :)


I think its possible, the following is in the config file:
Use slash as namespace separator in URLs

however i really think this is not the right place to discuss this  
topic in detail. i think it would be better to keep this list focused  
on the development of php itself ..


regards,
Lukas

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Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net

[Stanislav Malyshev]

Hi!

Ok so we have a wiki up and running at wiki.php.net. It is integrated 


Great! Thanks a lot!
Maybe we should import traits proposal there now?
And migrate todo lists too? :)
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Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net

[Pierre Joye]

Hi Stan,

On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Stanislav Malyshev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi!

   Ok so we have a wiki up and running at wiki.php.net. It is integrated

  Great! Thanks a lot!
  Maybe we should import traits proposal there now?
  And migrate todo lists too? :)

Yes, that's the plan. Lukas will do it as far as I remember. I also
updated the syntax hightlighter (code tag), it sill uses Geshi but in
a nicer way (for those interested, it is the code2 plugin). Nice urls
should also work well know (if you met some 404 earlier today).

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Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net

[Lukas Kahwe Smith]

On 05.03.2008, at 18:54, Pierre Joye wrote:


Hi Stan,

On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Stanislav Malyshev [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

Hi!

Ok so we have a wiki up and running at wiki.php.net. It is  
integrated


Great! Thanks a lot!


I should have also mentioned that in fact Pierre was the one that  
installed Dokuwiki. I only tweaked the look a bit and integrated the  
master.php.net authentication system that Hannes implemented to make  
this entire thing possible.



Maybe we should import traits proposal there now?


Yes, Stefan has already asked for an account, which I will open for  
him ASAP.



And migrate todo lists too? :)


Yes, that's the plan. Lukas will do it as far as I remember. I also
updated the syntax hightlighter (code tag), it sill uses Geshi but in
a nicer way (for those interested, it is the code2 plugin). Nice urls
should also work well know (if you met some 404 earlier today).


Actually, I would appreciate it if someone else could step up here.  
Otherwise things will just have to wait until next week. I should have  
some time during PHP Quebec to work on this, but until them I am  
swamped with work and then I am on a pre conferece ski trip.


regards,
Lukas

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Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net

[Lars Strojny]

Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 05.03.2008, 18:54 +0100 schrieb Pierre Joye:
[...]
 Yes, that's the plan. Lukas will do it as far as I remember. I also
 updated the syntax hightlighter (code tag), it sill uses Geshi but in
 a nicer way (for those interested, it is the code2 plugin). Nice urls
 should also work well know (if you met some 404 earlier today).

I saw that the first page gsoc2008 was created. I wonder if it would be
a better idea to use nicer URLs like summer-of-code/2008. To
standardize that, wiki guidelines would be a good idea. I would start to
write some down if nobody objects.

cu, Lars


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Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net

[Lukas Kahwe Smith]

On 06.03.2008, at 00:45, Lars Strojny wrote:


Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 05.03.2008, 18:54 +0100 schrieb Pierre Joye:
[...]

Yes, that's the plan. Lukas will do it as far as I remember. I also
updated the syntax hightlighter (code tag), it sill uses Geshi but in
a nicer way (for those interested, it is the code2 plugin). Nice urls
should also work well know (if you met some 404 earlier today).


I saw that the first page gsoc2008 was created. I wonder if it would  
be

a better idea to use nicer URLs like summer-of-code/2008. To
standardize that, wiki guidelines would be a good idea. I would  
start to

write some down if nobody objects.


By all means go ahead :)
Since you have CVS karma now .. you can edit to your hearts content ..

regards,
Lukas

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