Re: [IRCA] Cape Lookout DXpedition Loggings - Nov. 7th

[Nick Hall-Patch]

Nice loggings, Guy.   There's hope for the rest of us.

Sorry that I seemed to absorb all of JOIG; believe me it wasn't very 
strong here.


It's interesting that I was able to hear a couple of DUs, but 
apparently nothing heard there on the coast?


best wishes,

Nick



At 06:16 2018-11-08, Guy Atkins wrote:

Below are the catches I was able to pull from my files today. After the
bare scraps of TPs on Monday and Tuesday, November 7th seemed like drinking
from a fire hose. I tried to locate JOIG on 648 which Nick mentioned, but
never found anything more than whispers on that frequency.



531 JAPAN JOQG Morioka, Nov 7 1421 - Man and woman talk in Japanese,
peaking briefly to good at 1421. Likely Morioka, as audio was not parallel
963 or 549, which eliminates other possibilities per Bruce's excellent PAL
reference. (Atkins-OR)

558 JAPAN JOCR Kobe, Nov 7 0809 - Noted this one rising up from the noise
with a Japanese ballad and talk by man. Fair. (Atkins-OR)

567 JAPAN JOIK Sapporo, Nov 7 0644 - Another Sapporo early riser; poor
level but increasing, with female talk in Japanese. (Atkins-OR)

567 SOUTH KOREA HLKF Jeonju, Nov 7 1500 - Likely HLKF here with news items
in Korean, beneath a stronger JOIK. Fair. (Atkins-OR)

594 JAPAN JOAK Tokyo, Nov 7 0648 - Fading in well before Tokyo local SS,
along with other major NHK outlets. (Atkins-OR)

621 UNIDENTIFIED Unid, Nov 7 1130 - A jumble of Chinese and possible Korean
on 621, so perhaps Pyongyang VOK and one of the Chinese RGD stations.
(Atkins-OR)

639 CHINA CNR1, Nov 7 1500 - Very strong signal at 1501 peak with partial
ID for CNR1. (Atkins-OR)

639 UNIDENTIFIED Unid, Nov 7 1705 - A mix of at least two stations, the
dominant one seemed Japanese with singing and talk. Very weak signal at two
hours past local SR, but noise level was low. (Atkins-OR)

657 NORTH KOREA Pyongyang Bangsong, Nov 7 1254 - First heard with
orchestral music, but signal nosedived prior to top of the hour. Back in
audio again 1314 with harsh speech or commentary in Korean. Fair.
(Atkins-OR)

666 JAPAN JOBK Osaka, Nov 7 1013 - Good level of Japanese talk for a couple
of minutes, then disappeared completely at 1315...likely to resurface.
(Atkins-OR)

675 VIETNAM VoV1, Nov 7 1516 - Fast talking women in Vietnamese, identified
by parallel on 711 kHz. Poor to fair signal on peaks. (Atkins-OR)

693 JAPAN JOAB Tokyo, Nov 7 0654 - Fading in a little later than some of
the other NHK stations, but growing a bit louder with Japanese talk.
(Atkins-OR)

693 NEW ZEALAND R. Sport Dunedin, Nov 7 0658 - Tentative with faint talk in
Kiw(?) accented English between two announcers. Signal poor, but rising up
from the noise as New Zealand sunset approaches; JOAB faded back down.
(Atkins-OR)

702 JAPAN JOKD Kitami, Nov 7 0653 - Presumed this more northerly outlet
fading in, versus JOFB Hiroshima. Talk in Japanese. (Atkins-OR)

711 VIETNAM VoV1, Nov 7 1516 - Fast talking women in Vietnamese, identified
by parallel on 675 kHz. Poor to fair signal on peaks. (Atkins-OR)

729 JAPAN JOCK Nagoya, Nov 7 1017 - Man and woman with quick talk in
Japanese. Fair signal. Parallel to 594. (Atkins-OR)

747 JAPAN JOIB Sapporo, Nov 7 0628 - Fading in with female announcer. Low
level signal. (Atkins-OR)

774 JAPAN JOUB Akita, Nov 7 0626 - Poor to fair at tune-in with male
announcer. First Japanese outlet to fade in tonight, an hour and a half
before transmitter SS. Broadcasting with 500kW helps  :^)  Building to a
good level at 0637...signs of a great DX night!. (Atkins-OR)

819 NORTH KOREA KCBS, Nov 7 1116 - Presumed Pyongyang with sweeping,
dramatic orchstral music in Korean. Fair to good. (Atkins-OR)

828 JAPAN JOBB Osaka, Nov 7 0743 - Man and woman in discussion; fair signal
but improving by the minute as sunset moves across the country. (Atkins-OR)

837 JAPAN JOQK Niigata, Nov 7 829 - Presumed this one with Japanese talk
and mellow vocal music. Fair signal. (Atkins-OR)

864 JAPAN Unid, Nov 7 0846 - Unknown Japanese station here, with talk by
female announcer. This station seemed parallel 1287, so this could be one
of a few low power HBC outlets. (Atkins-OR)

918 CHINA Unid, Nov 7 1500 - Big signal at top of the hour, sounded like a
partial ID with '..Shandong..' in it, so maybe Shandong RGD. (Atkins-OR)

972 SOUTH KOREA HLCA Danjin, Nov 7 2328 - Very good signal of Korean talk
by two announcers, and pop music.A very faint co-channel noted; seemed like
Chinese orchestral music. Huge signal on HLCA at 1500, with faint English
language Christian contemporary music in the background--R. Rhema likely.
(Atkins-OR)

981 CHINA CNR1, Nov 7 0839 - Tentative. I noted a Chinese language signal
struggling mightily here, with a faint Japanese signal beneath at time.
Both were very weak. (Atkins-OR)

981 CHINA CNR1, Nov 7 1013 - Presumed this one with Chinese talk by a man.
Fair and improving. Very good at 1442. (Atkins-OR)

1008 JAPAN JONR Osaka, Nov 7 1030 - Rising nicely out of the noise with
Japanese t

[IRCA] Cape Lookout DXpedition Loggings - Nov. 7th

[Guy Atkins]

Below are the catches I was able to pull from my files today. After the
bare scraps of TPs on Monday and Tuesday, November 7th seemed like drinking
from a fire hose. I tried to locate JOIG on 648 which Nick mentioned, but
never found anything more than whispers on that frequency.



531 JAPAN JOQG Morioka, Nov 7 1421 - Man and woman talk in Japanese,
peaking briefly to good at 1421. Likely Morioka, as audio was not parallel
963 or 549, which eliminates other possibilities per Bruce's excellent PAL
reference. (Atkins-OR)

558 JAPAN JOCR Kobe, Nov 7 0809 - Noted this one rising up from the noise
with a Japanese ballad and talk by man. Fair. (Atkins-OR)

567 JAPAN JOIK Sapporo, Nov 7 0644 - Another Sapporo early riser; poor
level but increasing, with female talk in Japanese. (Atkins-OR)

567 SOUTH KOREA HLKF Jeonju, Nov 7 1500 - Likely HLKF here with news items
in Korean, beneath a stronger JOIK. Fair. (Atkins-OR)

594 JAPAN JOAK Tokyo, Nov 7 0648 - Fading in well before Tokyo local SS,
along with other major NHK outlets. (Atkins-OR)

621 UNIDENTIFIED Unid, Nov 7 1130 - A jumble of Chinese and possible Korean
on 621, so perhaps Pyongyang VOK and one of the Chinese RGD stations.
(Atkins-OR)

639 CHINA CNR1, Nov 7 1500 - Very strong signal at 1501 peak with partial
ID for CNR1. (Atkins-OR)

639 UNIDENTIFIED Unid, Nov 7 1705 - A mix of at least two stations, the
dominant one seemed Japanese with singing and talk. Very weak signal at two
hours past local SR, but noise level was low. (Atkins-OR)

657 NORTH KOREA Pyongyang Bangsong, Nov 7 1254 - First heard with
orchestral music, but signal nosedived prior to top of the hour. Back in
audio again 1314 with harsh speech or commentary in Korean. Fair.
(Atkins-OR)

666 JAPAN JOBK Osaka, Nov 7 1013 - Good level of Japanese talk for a couple
of minutes, then disappeared completely at 1315...likely to resurface.
(Atkins-OR)

675 VIETNAM VoV1, Nov 7 1516 - Fast talking women in Vietnamese, identified
by parallel on 711 kHz. Poor to fair signal on peaks. (Atkins-OR)

693 JAPAN JOAB Tokyo, Nov 7 0654 - Fading in a little later than some of
the other NHK stations, but growing a bit louder with Japanese talk.
(Atkins-OR)

693 NEW ZEALAND R. Sport Dunedin, Nov 7 0658 - Tentative with faint talk in
Kiw(?) accented English between two announcers. Signal poor, but rising up
from the noise as New Zealand sunset approaches; JOAB faded back down.
(Atkins-OR)

702 JAPAN JOKD Kitami, Nov 7 0653 - Presumed this more northerly outlet
fading in, versus JOFB Hiroshima. Talk in Japanese. (Atkins-OR)

711 VIETNAM VoV1, Nov 7 1516 - Fast talking women in Vietnamese, identified
by parallel on 675 kHz. Poor to fair signal on peaks. (Atkins-OR)

729 JAPAN JOCK Nagoya, Nov 7 1017 - Man and woman with quick talk in
Japanese. Fair signal. Parallel to 594. (Atkins-OR)

747 JAPAN JOIB Sapporo, Nov 7 0628 - Fading in with female announcer. Low
level signal. (Atkins-OR)

774 JAPAN JOUB Akita, Nov 7 0626 - Poor to fair at tune-in with male
announcer. First Japanese outlet to fade in tonight, an hour and a half
before transmitter SS. Broadcasting with 500kW helps  :^)  Building to a
good level at 0637...signs of a great DX night!. (Atkins-OR)

819 NORTH KOREA KCBS, Nov 7 1116 - Presumed Pyongyang with sweeping,
dramatic orchstral music in Korean. Fair to good. (Atkins-OR)

828 JAPAN JOBB Osaka, Nov 7 0743 - Man and woman in discussion; fair signal
but improving by the minute as sunset moves across the country. (Atkins-OR)

837 JAPAN JOQK Niigata, Nov 7 829 - Presumed this one with Japanese talk
and mellow vocal music. Fair signal. (Atkins-OR)

864 JAPAN Unid, Nov 7 0846 - Unknown Japanese station here, with talk by
female announcer. This station seemed parallel 1287, so this could be one
of a few low power HBC outlets. (Atkins-OR)

918 CHINA Unid, Nov 7 1500 - Big signal at top of the hour, sounded like a
partial ID with '..Shandong..' in it, so maybe Shandong RGD. (Atkins-OR)

972 SOUTH KOREA HLCA Danjin, Nov 7 2328 - Very good signal of Korean talk
by two announcers, and pop music.A very faint co-channel noted; seemed like
Chinese orchestral music. Huge signal on HLCA at 1500, with faint English
language Christian contemporary music in the background--R. Rhema likely.
(Atkins-OR)

981 CHINA CNR1, Nov 7 0839 - Tentative. I noted a Chinese language signal
struggling mightily here, with a faint Japanese signal beneath at time.
Both were very weak. (Atkins-OR)

981 CHINA CNR1, Nov 7 1013 - Presumed this one with Chinese talk by a man.
Fair and improving. Very good at 1442. (Atkins-OR)

1008 JAPAN JONR Osaka, Nov 7 1030 - Rising nicely out of the noise with
Japanese talk or group discussion, and disappearing by 1033. (Atkins-OR)

1017 CHINA CRI, Nov 7 1055 - I noticed JOLB fading, and Chinese language
rising up as 1100 UTC approached. CRI trumpet fanfare at 1100, then ID in
Chinese followed by Korean 'Chung-guk Guk-je Bang-song imnida', per PAL.
Good level while it lasted. (A

[IRCA] 7 Nov Victoria version.

[Nick Hall-Patch]

A bit more of a recovery here, but only one Chinese was properly heard, later 
on.



pretty darn good audio (all of it understandable by a native speaker, at least 
briefly):

567 JOIK woman //594 1432UT

594 JOAK 1440UT

747 JOIB English lessons 1426UT

774 JOUB English lessons 1453UT  "chocolate pizza, oishii desu" hmmm




Reasonable audio at  times during the period (much of it understandable by a 
native speaker, though often battling w/splash or noise):

558 HLQH woman //603 1436UT

603 HLSA woman in Korean //558 1452 and 1458UT

828 JOBB woman in Japanese 1457UT



not so reasonable audio, occasional words or phrases in splash or noise could 
be understood by a native speaker: 


612 4QR man DU English //702 1450UT

657 operatic female vocal 1437UT, likely North Korea 

693 JOAB //774 English lessons 1444UT

945 CNR1 news sounders, man in Chinese 1502UT; late arrival today

1287 JOHR woman and man in Japanese 1458UT

1566 HLAZ likely, man in Chinese 1446UT


Burbles in the splatter and noise (if lucky, language might be guessed at by 
cadence of talk, or parallel established by changes in talk or music) 

648 JOIG man talking, //594 1435UT

702 pop music 1448UT likely Magic, fading to man talking 1449UT //612 , so 2BL

711 man talking, possibly Korean? 1434UT

738 man talking, DU English intonation 1448UT, but 702 and 612 not parallel

819 N. Korean pips, orchestral music //2850 1500-01UT

846 deep voiced male, orchestral music 1510UT. On north Flag so not Aussie; no 
idea

873 JOGB English lessons //884 1435UT

954 man, Japanese intonation, another on phone  1430UT

981 woman talking, Chinese intonation 1433UT



Strongish het, no or "near imaginary" audio (either undermodulated or ravaged 
by splatter)

 621 639 684 729 756 837 918 936 10981134 1143  1206 1242  1593  seemed to be 
Asian; 
576 621 1116 seemed  to be DU  


best wishes,

Nick








Nick Hall-Patch
Victoria, BC
Canada  

___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

Re: [IRCA] BOG question

[STEVE]

The John Bryant article on "over the shoulder" can be found at:



He does not test BOGs in his article, though.

As a probably unrelated note, when I lived at the rural place in Oregon 
I had a 1600' E/W unterminated longwire that received "over the 
shoulder" in the west direction. That was the only implementation I 
could construct. My main interest was Pacific LF NDBs (from the west), 
thus everything was "over the shoulder". I routinely received faint 
Pacific NDBs with that setup and it was the very best Pacific LF antenna 
I've ever had the pleasure of using. Of course I had nothing I could 
compare with a regular west-pointed antenna of comparable length so I'll 
never know how much better such an antenna might have been.


73,

Steve AA7U

On 11/7/2018 5:29 PM, Chuck Hutton wrote:

Nick -


Hoping I remember all the details correctly as I don't have time right now to 
re-read things


Luis has put this data on the web before and claimed "resonance". Someone then 
educated him that current peaks and resonance are not synonyms,


My recollection is that the subject of current peaks was well covered and 
analyzed by Beverage in his 1923 AIEE paper.


I see no reference to Beverage's work so assume Luis did not explore that area. I saw no 
numbers to serve as a basis for "resonance" - some L and C values would be 
helpful.


But we stray from the original question : how much loss is there in a non-terminated BOG 
/ Beverage? Some have compared "over the shoulder" versus normal wires, 
including John Bryant. Assuming I recall correctly, he found that over the shoulder had 
some feasibility as the loss was some 5 to 10 dB.


Chuck


___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

[IRCA] Chinese Propaganda Blasters-- S9+ Chinese ID's at Sign Off

[Gary DeBock]

For those in North America who have wondered about the reason for the powerful 
Chinese stations on 783 and 909 kHz, as Chris Kadlec has mentioned, they are 
used for propaganda broadcasts to Taiwan. These mega-stations were both 
blasting into Poipu, Hawaii with their usual S9+ signals this morning, just 
prior to their sign off.

The 5+1 pips and full Chinese ID of 783-Voice of the Straight were recorded 
just prior to sign off at 1601 
https://dreamcrafts.box.com/s/6cbton9gqiqvqiwe6ewfc8u0aoztv4dm

The full sign off of 909-CNR6 at 1603 (with about 5 Chinese ID's in 3 minutes) 
is posted at https://dreamcrafts.box.com/s/urhk66t4mqunezupi99r0red0pt4u7ub

This is just a minor sample of the enhanced Hawaii propagation, which has been 
a stunner all week long.


Gary DeBock (DXing in Poipu, Hawaii)

7.5" loopstick CC Skywave SSB Ultralight +

5 inch "Frequent Flyer" FSL antenna


 
___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

Re: [IRCA] BOG question

[Nick Hall-Patch]

You and me both, concerning re-reading things, Chuck, as I too recall 
Beverage discussing current peaks, but thought I recalled that they 
smoothed out when the antenna was properly terminated.


At any rate, it's "angels dancing on the point of a pin" territory 
for me at the moment, at least until I went back and did some serious reading.


In the meantime, I think Russ said it best:

The name "BOG" came from "Beveridge -on-Ground", and indeed one of 
adequate length should behave similarly.




Nick



But, again, without looking it At 00:29 2018-11-08, Chuck Hutton wrote:

Nick -


Hoping I remember all the details correctly as I don't have time 
right now to re-read things



Luis has put this data on the web before and claimed "resonance". 
Someone then educated him that current peaks and resonance are not synonyms,



My recollection is that the subject of current peaks was well 
covered and analyzed by Beverage in his 1923 AIEE paper.



I see no reference to Beverage's work so assume Luis did not explore 
that area. I saw no numbers to serve as a basis for "resonance" - 
some L and C values would be helpful.



But we stray from the original question : how much loss is there in 
a non-terminated BOG / Beverage? Some have compared "over the 
shoulder" versus normal wires, including John Bryant. Assuming I 
recall correctly, he found that over the shoulder had some 
feasibility as the loss was some 5 to 10 dB.



Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick 
Hall-Patch 

Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 5:33 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] BOG question

Thanks Chuck; I knew I could bring you out of the woodwork.

There's been a fair bit of hand-waving on the topband list about the
BOG over the years, partly because anecdotally, either they "don't
work", or that they have very good F/B.  K2AV has done a lot of
measurements, and seems to conclude that a proper BOG (not a wire
near dry ground) is actually a resonant
antenna,   http://www.iv3prk.it/bog-modeling.htm puts forth the same
IV3PRK Pierluigi "Luis" Mansutti (ex 
HC1PF)

www.iv3prk.it
Quite simple to select another of the several options in the 
"Custom" sheet of AutoEZ to get the following graph, which indicates 
that's much better to go towards a shorter length.. So moved the 
sweep a bit down and this is the F/B of a BOG 63 meters long, 3 cm. 
high, with a 250 ohms load and two sets of radials.An impressive F/B 
of 45 dB is peaking at a radial length of 20 meters.




idea.  This is for the limited frequency range of 160m; the entire MW
band might prove interesting depending on length, ground conductivity etc.

I'd assume that a BOG at Grayland especially in the summer would act
more like a Beverage.   Did you ever compare a "BOG" with a raised wire there?

Nick


At 00:18 2018-11-07, Chuck Hutton wrote:
>I don't see the self-terminating thing.
>
>
>It seems to me (unscientifically) that the losses are maybe 5 to 7
>dB. That's a far cry from the 30 or more dB loss in a properly
>terminated system.
>
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick
>Hall-Patch 
>Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 3:54 PM
>To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America; h
>Walter Salmaniw
>Subject: Re: [IRCA] BOG question
>
>Have you had success terminating a BOG Russ?   (supposedly it is ~200
>ohms, rather than the raised Beverage's ~450 ohms).
>
>I think some have found that it is self terminating, to a degree, as
>there is quite a bit of loss on reflected signals.
>
>best wishes,
>
>Nick
>
>
>At 20:07 2018-11-06, Russ Edmunds wrote:
> >It isn't a dumb question because the answer is yes and no. If you
> >terminate a BOG at one end, that should more focus the reception
> >pattern in favor of the terminated end. If you're looking for
> >stations from the N, then terminate at the N end. In the event that
> >the desired result is an antenna which receives both N and S but
> >nulls E and W, then you lay it out N-S and do not terminate it.
> >
> >
> >
> >Russ Edmunds
> >
> >WB2BJH
> >
> >Blue Bell, PA
> >
> >Grid FN20id
> >
> >
> >From: IRCA  on behalf of R. Colin
> >Newell 
> >Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 2:53:57 PM
> >To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America;
> Walter Salmaniw
> >Subject: Re: [IRCA] BOG question
> >
> >Dumb question --- Do BOG's get a termination?
> >
> >On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:52 AM Volodya S  wrote:
> >
> > > Stephen, my BOGs in Masset are about 750' long and I'm very
> pleased.  Good
> > > for all Asia as well as Australia/New Zealand.73, Walt
> > >
> > >
> >--
> >Colin Newell - Editor and creator *of *Coffeecrew.com
> > and DXer.ca  -
>CoffeeCrew 2018
>www.coffeecrew.com
>Home of the Coffeecrew website - Alive and well 

[IRCA] 909 UK blowing away 910 on car radio in daylight

[Mark Connelly via IRCA]

--- Begin Message ---
While driving home from a shopping trip I did a little car radio "dial 
twisting" on AM and ran into a number of TA hets at 3:55 p.m. EST / 2055 UTC.  
This is about a half hour before local sunset.
Biggest TA signal was BBC Five Live UK on 909.  It was totally creaming 910 
(WABK-ME mostly, bits of others including WLAT-CT under).  The BBC audio came 
through fine on peaks even though the car radio only tunes in 10 kHz 
increments.  The heterodyne was screamer-loud even during fades when some 910 
audio emerged from the imbroglio.
Location: Route 6 at Exit 6 (Route 132) - Barnstable, MA.
I'm mentioning this mostly for propagation information.  Certainly not rare DX.

Meanwhile at home the SDR was making a capture file 5 minutes later.  Maybe 
something good on that.

Mark Connelly, WA1IONSouth Yarmouth, MA
--- End Message ---
___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

[IRCA] Alberta TPs for 7 November 2018

[Nigel Pimblett]

  Definitely no goldmine out on the prairie.  Still no sign of any 
Asians, with just a few DUs coming in.  I noted 612, 774, 792, 828, 891, 
1026, 1116, and 1548 with audio around 1400 this morning.


73,


Nigel Pimblett
Dunmore, AB
___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

Re: [IRCA] BOG question

[Chuck Hutton]

Nick -


Hoping I remember all the details correctly as I don't have time right now to 
re-read things


Luis has put this data on the web before and claimed "resonance". Someone then 
educated him that current peaks and resonance are not synonyms,


My recollection is that the subject of current peaks was well covered and 
analyzed by Beverage in his 1923 AIEE paper.


I see no reference to Beverage's work so assume Luis did not explore that area. 
I saw no numbers to serve as a basis for "resonance" - some L and C values 
would be helpful.


But we stray from the original question : how much loss is there in a 
non-terminated BOG / Beverage? Some have compared "over the shoulder" versus 
normal wires, including John Bryant. Assuming I recall correctly, he found that 
over the shoulder had some feasibility as the loss was some 5 to 10 dB.


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick Hall-Patch 

Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 5:33 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] BOG question

Thanks Chuck; I knew I could bring you out of the woodwork.

There's been a fair bit of hand-waving on the topband list about the
BOG over the years, partly because anecdotally, either they "don't
work", or that they have very good F/B.  K2AV has done a lot of
measurements, and seems to conclude that a proper BOG (not a wire
near dry ground) is actually a resonant
antenna,   http://www.iv3prk.it/bog-modeling.htm puts forth the same
IV3PRK Pierluigi "Luis" Mansutti (ex 
HC1PF)
www.iv3prk.it
Quite simple to select another of the several options in the “Custom” sheet of 
AutoEZ to get the following graph, which indicates that’s much better to go 
towards a shorter length.. So moved the sweep a bit down and this is the F/B of 
a BOG 63 meters long, 3 cm. high, with a 250 ohms load and two sets of 
radials.An impressive F/B of 45 dB is peaking at a radial length of 20 meters.



idea.  This is for the limited frequency range of 160m; the entire MW
band might prove interesting depending on length, ground conductivity etc.

I'd assume that a BOG at Grayland especially in the summer would act
more like a Beverage.   Did you ever compare a "BOG" with a raised wire there?

Nick


At 00:18 2018-11-07, Chuck Hutton wrote:
>I don't see the self-terminating thing.
>
>
>It seems to me (unscientifically) that the losses are maybe 5 to 7
>dB. That's a far cry from the 30 or more dB loss in a properly
>terminated system.
>
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick
>Hall-Patch 
>Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 3:54 PM
>To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America; h
>Walter Salmaniw
>Subject: Re: [IRCA] BOG question
>
>Have you had success terminating a BOG Russ?   (supposedly it is ~200
>ohms, rather than the raised Beverage's ~450 ohms).
>
>I think some have found that it is self terminating, to a degree, as
>there is quite a bit of loss on reflected signals.
>
>best wishes,
>
>Nick
>
>
>At 20:07 2018-11-06, Russ Edmunds wrote:
> >It isn't a dumb question because the answer is yes and no. If you
> >terminate a BOG at one end, that should more focus the reception
> >pattern in favor of the terminated end. If you're looking for
> >stations from the N, then terminate at the N end. In the event that
> >the desired result is an antenna which receives both N and S but
> >nulls E and W, then you lay it out N-S and do not terminate it.
> >
> >
> >
> >Russ Edmunds
> >
> >WB2BJH
> >
> >Blue Bell, PA
> >
> >Grid FN20id
> >
> >
> >From: IRCA  on behalf of R. Colin
> >Newell 
> >Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 2:53:57 PM
> >To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America;
> Walter Salmaniw
> >Subject: Re: [IRCA] BOG question
> >
> >Dumb question --- Do BOG's get a termination?
> >
> >On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:52 AM Volodya S  wrote:
> >
> > > Stephen, my BOGs in Masset are about 750' long and I'm very
> pleased.  Good
> > > for all Asia as well as Australia/New Zealand.73, Walt
> > >
> > >
> >--
> >Colin Newell - Editor and creator *of *Coffeecrew.com
> > and DXer.ca  -
>CoffeeCrew 2018
>www.coffeecrew.com
>Home of the Coffeecrew website - Alive and well since 1996! Canadian
>coffee expert.
>
>
>
> >VA7WWV | Twitter @CoffeeCrew | Victoria - Canada
> >___
> >IRCA mailing list
> >IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> >http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
> >
> >Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
> >original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of
> >the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
> >
> >For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
> >
> >To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> >
> >___

Re: [IRCA] Nov. 7th: Ionosphere Delivers a Gold Mine to the Pacific NW

[Bruce Portzer]

My experience today was similar to Nick's.  A bit of a recovery, but 
nothing spectacular.  Reception was limited to the usual crowd, most of 
them a bit below normal.


Bruce

On 11/7/2018 11:47, Nick Hall-Patch wrote:
I agree that it was a better morning than the last two have been, Guy, 
but that wasn't a high benchmark.


But, for the most part, it wasn't really hopping here, I'm afraid, at 
least during my live listening 1430-1510UT.  I did log JOIG-648, noted 
for the first time here only a month ago, so that wasn't bad, but it 
was "extreme minimalist DX" with a careful null of 650 and some 
imaginative listening...pretty clear though with JOAK in one ear and 
JOIG in the other.


We'll see what the files deliver.  The first go round didn't seem to 
have any Chinese, and there were a couple yesterday.


best wishes,

Nick



At 18:18 2018-11-07, Guy Atkins wrote:

I hope other DXers in the Northwest, from the Victoria crew southwards,
found last night to be a fascinating time at the dials.

At my temporary Cape Lookout post in Oregon, I noticed a few Japanese
stations in audio more than an hour and a half before Japan sunrise. 
With

4.5 terabytes of hard drive space on my laptop now I decided to just let
SDR recording continue uninterrupted through the night.

Spot checks a few times through the night showed a wealth of TPs up and
down the band. When I stopped recording at 1645 UTC (nearly two hours 
past

local SR), a handful of Chinese and Korean signals were still providing
weak but clear audio.

So... what a turnaround from the previous two mornings. I'll be 
interested

to know others impressions of DX on Nov. 7th, as I face an SDR DXer's
dilemma of how to approach over 11 hours of productive DX recordings!

73,
Guy Atkins
Puyallup, WA
DXing from Cape Lookout State Park, OR
FDM-S2 / IC-7300 / ALA1530LNP @20 ft. / 10-inch FSL / portable RXs
___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the 
original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of 
the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers


For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com


Nick Hall-Patch
Victoria, BC
Canada
___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the 
original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of 
the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers


For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com


___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

Re: [IRCA] Nov. 7th: Ionosphere Delivers a Gold Mine to the Pacific NW

[Gary DeBock]

Hi Guy,

I'm glad that your TP-DX propagation improved greatly at Cape Lookout on the 
Oregon coast!

<<< So... what a turnaround from the previous two mornings. I'll be interested
to know others impressions of DX on Nov. 7th, >>>

First, a disclaimer. Propagation in Poipu, Hawaii routinely delivers a gold 
mine of exceptional DX daily, to the point where a DXers quickly starts to 
develop a spoiled attitude of entitlement. Northwest DXers who typically chase 
DX on local ocean beaches should definitely avoid this area, if they wish to 
continue feeling satisfied with the propagation and results at such venues.

Anyway, in answer to your question, 702-BBC in Oman apparently made a return 
appearance with Arabic around 1615, and 918-RNK (Cambodia) once again hit an S9 
level with music shortly before its 1700 sign off. The 675/711 VoV parallel was 
easy to notice, but 675's S7 signal let up long enough around 1630 to let in a 
new foreign language UnID (with everything from Oman to Japan possibly in 
play). The Chinese propagation blasters on 783 and 909 both signed off suddenly 
around 1605 for no apparent reason, but I recorded S9 sign off messages from 
both of them. The ABC DU's were around at S9 on 612, 630, 702, 774 and others 
with the goofy call in talk guy, but fortunately he could be completely nulled 
just by turning the FSL away from him-- in which case the Asian TP's would 
typically rush in with powerful signals at S7-S9 levels. Anyway, Guy, you asked 
:-)

Gary (DXing at Poipu Beach, Hawaii)

> On November 7, 2018 at 10:18 AM Guy Atkins  mailto:d...@guyatkins.com > wrote:
> 
> 
> I hope other DXers in the Northwest, from the Victoria crew southwards,
> found last night to be a fascinating time at the dials.
> 
> At my temporary Cape Lookout post in Oregon, I noticed a few Japanese
> stations in audio more than an hour and a half before Japan sunrise. With
> 4.5 terabytes of hard drive space on my laptop now I decided to just let
> SDR recording continue uninterrupted through the night.
> 
> Spot checks a few times through the night showed a wealth of TPs up and
> down the band. When I stopped recording at 1645 UTC (nearly two hours past
> local SR), a handful of Chinese and Korean signals were still providing
> weak but clear audio.
> 
> So... what a turnaround from the previous two mornings. I'll be interested
> to know others impressions of DX on Nov. 7th, as I face an SDR DXer's
> dilemma of how to approach over 11 hours of productive DX recordings!
> 
> 73,
> Guy Atkins
> Puyallup, WA
> DXing from Cape Lookout State Park, OR
> FDM-S2 / IC-7300 / ALA1530LNP @20 ft. / 10-inch FSL / portable RXs
> ___
> IRCA mailing list
> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com mailto:IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
> 
> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the 
> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, 
> its editors, publishing staff, or officers
> 
> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
> 
> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com mailto:irca@hard-core-dx.com
> 
___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

Re: [IRCA] Nov. 7th: Ionosphere Delivers a Gold Mine to the Pacific NW

[Volodya S]

Bill received a demo unit but as far as I know, he's been using it mostly
on FM so far.  I'll need to ask!  Walt

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 7:28 PM bill [his.com]  wrote:

> How does the S3 do on MW & HF Walt?
>
> ---
>
> > On Nov 7, 2018, at 2:07 PM, Volodya S  wrote:
> >
> > Agree, Bill.   A very nice problem to have.  We haven't had the greatest
> > conditions on the east coast.  Nothing overnight here, as far as I know.
> > This morning, the weather was perfect, so 4 of us went for a long walk
> > along the beach, then bushwacked our way home, but as this place is
> > surrounded by salty lagoons, we had to back track to make it back to the
> > house.  It's just coming up to our TA time, so here's hoping something
> > decent today.  Looks like conditions again will take a turn for the worse
> > in the next 2 days.  You win some, you lose some.  Bill Nollman showed me
> > the joys of meteor FM scatter last night.  His new Elad FDM S-3 can
> record
> > the entire FM band.  Sure fun watching the blips of meteor scatter.  Just
> > maybe, I might have to get into FM DXing!73,Walt
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 6:18 PM Guy Atkins  wrote:
> >
> >> I hope other DXers in the Northwest, from the Victoria crew southwards,
> >> found last night to be a fascinating time at the dials.
> >>
> >> At my temporary Cape Lookout post in Oregon, I noticed a few Japanese
> >> stations in audio more than an hour and a half before Japan sunrise.
> With
> >> 4.5 terabytes of hard drive space on my laptop now I decided to just let
> >> SDR recording continue uninterrupted through the night.
> >>
> >> Spot checks a few times through the night showed a wealth of TPs up and
> >> down the band. When I stopped recording at 1645 UTC (nearly two hours
> past
> >> local SR), a handful of Chinese and Korean signals were still providing
> >> weak but clear audio.
> >>
> >> So... what a turnaround from the previous two mornings. I'll be
> interested
> >> to know others impressions of DX on Nov. 7th, as I face an SDR DXer's
> >> dilemma of how to approach over 11 hours of productive DX recordings!
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Guy Atkins
> >> Puyallup, WA
> >> DXing from Cape Lookout State Park, OR
> >> FDM-S2 / IC-7300 / ALA1530LNP @20 ft. / 10-inch FSL / portable RXs
> >> ___
> >> IRCA mailing list
> >> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> >> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
> >>
> >> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
> >> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
> >> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
> >>
> >> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
> >>
> >> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> >>
> >>
> > ___
> > IRCA mailing list
> > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
> >
> > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
> >
> > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
> >
> > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> >
>
> ___
> IRCA mailing list
> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
>
> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
>
> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
>
> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
>
>
___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

Re: [IRCA] Nov. 7th: Ionosphere Delivers a Gold Mine to the Pacific NW

[Nick Hall-Patch]

I agree that it was a better morning than the last two have been, 
Guy, but that wasn't a high benchmark.


But, for the most part, it wasn't really hopping here, I'm afraid, at 
least during my live listening 1430-1510UT.  I did log JOIG-648, 
noted for the first time here only a month ago, so that wasn't bad, 
but it was "extreme minimalist DX" with a careful null of 650 and 
some imaginative listening...pretty clear though with JOAK in one ear 
and JOIG in the other.


We'll see what the files deliver.  The first go round didn't seem to 
have any Chinese, and there were a couple yesterday.


best wishes,

Nick



At 18:18 2018-11-07, Guy Atkins wrote:

I hope other DXers in the Northwest, from the Victoria crew southwards,
found last night to be a fascinating time at the dials.

At my temporary Cape Lookout post in Oregon, I noticed a few Japanese
stations in audio more than an hour and a half before Japan sunrise. With
4.5 terabytes of hard drive space on my laptop now I decided to just let
SDR recording continue uninterrupted through the night.

Spot checks a few times through the night showed a wealth of TPs up and
down the band. When I stopped recording at 1645 UTC (nearly two hours past
local SR), a handful of Chinese and Korean signals were still providing
weak but clear audio.

So... what a turnaround from the previous two mornings. I'll be interested
to know others impressions of DX on Nov. 7th, as I face an SDR DXer's
dilemma of how to approach over 11 hours of productive DX recordings!

73,
Guy Atkins
Puyallup, WA
DXing from Cape Lookout State Park, OR
FDM-S2 / IC-7300 / ALA1530LNP @20 ft. / 10-inch FSL / portable RXs
___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the 
original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of 
the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers


For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com


Nick Hall-Patch
Victoria, BC
Canada 


___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

Re: [IRCA] Nov. 7th: Ionosphere Delivers a Gold Mine to the Pacific NW

[Chuck Hutton]

A bit of homework shows it is now for sale via Elad;s web site. Good to see it 
surface.


I've seen no reviews yet. Get cracking, Bill N.


Chuck



From: Chuck Hutton 
Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 11:31 AM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Nov. 7th: Ionosphere Delivers a Gold Mine to the Pacific NW


And how did he get an S3? The world has been waiting a year as introduction was 
postponed, and Elad recently said it would be many months before availability.


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of bill [his.com] 

Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 11:27 AM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Nov. 7th: Ionosphere Delivers a Gold Mine to the Pacific NW

How does the S3 do on MW & HF Walt?

---

> On Nov 7, 2018, at 2:07 PM, Volodya S  wrote:
>
> Agree, Bill.   A very nice problem to have.  We haven't had the greatest
> conditions on the east coast.  Nothing overnight here, as far as I know.
> This morning, the weather was perfect, so 4 of us went for a long walk
> along the beach, then bushwacked our way home, but as this place is
> surrounded by salty lagoons, we had to back track to make it back to the
> house.  It's just coming up to our TA time, so here's hoping something
> decent today.  Looks like conditions again will take a turn for the worse
> in the next 2 days.  You win some, you lose some.  Bill Nollman showed me
> the joys of meteor FM scatter last night.  His new Elad FDM S-3 can record
> the entire FM band.  Sure fun watching the blips of meteor scatter.  Just
> maybe, I might have to get into FM DXing!73,Walt
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 6:18 PM Guy Atkins  wrote:
>
>> I hope other DXers in the Northwest, from the Victoria crew southwards,
>> found last night to be a fascinating time at the dials.
>>
>> At my temporary Cape Lookout post in Oregon, I noticed a few Japanese
>> stations in audio more than an hour and a half before Japan sunrise. With
>> 4.5 terabytes of hard drive space on my laptop now I decided to just let
>> SDR recording continue uninterrupted through the night.
>>
>> Spot checks a few times through the night showed a wealth of TPs up and
>> down the band. When I stopped recording at 1645 UTC (nearly two hours past
>> local SR), a handful of Chinese and Korean signals were still providing
>> weak but clear audio.
>>
>> So... what a turnaround from the previous two mornings. I'll be interested
>> to know others impressions of DX on Nov. 7th, as I face an SDR DXer's
>> dilemma of how to approach over 11 hours of productive DX recordings!
>>
>> 73,
>> Guy Atkins
>> Puyallup, WA
>> DXing from Cape Lookout State Park, OR
>> FDM-S2 / IC-7300 / ALA1530LNP @20 ft. / 10-inch FSL / portable RXs
>> ___
>> IRCA mailing list
>> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
>> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
IRCA Info Page - Kotalampi
montreal.kotalampi.com
This group is for those interested in AM (Broadcast Band) DXing, sponsored by 
the International Radio Club of America (IRCA) To see the collection of prior 
postings to the list, visit the IRCA Archives.(The current archive is only 
available to the list members.Using IRCA



>>
>> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
>> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
>> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
>>
>> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
>>
>> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
>>
>>
> ___
> IRCA mailing list
> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
>
> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
> contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
> editors, publishing staff, or officers
>
> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
>
> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
>

___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

Re: [IRCA] Nov. 7th: Ionosphere Delivers a Gold Mine to the Pacific NW

[Chuck Hutton]

And how did he get an S3? The world has been waiting a year as introduction was 
postponed, and Elad recently said it would be many months before availability.


Chuck



From: IRCA  on behalf of bill [his.com] 

Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 11:27 AM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Nov. 7th: Ionosphere Delivers a Gold Mine to the Pacific NW

How does the S3 do on MW & HF Walt?

---

> On Nov 7, 2018, at 2:07 PM, Volodya S  wrote:
>
> Agree, Bill.   A very nice problem to have.  We haven't had the greatest
> conditions on the east coast.  Nothing overnight here, as far as I know.
> This morning, the weather was perfect, so 4 of us went for a long walk
> along the beach, then bushwacked our way home, but as this place is
> surrounded by salty lagoons, we had to back track to make it back to the
> house.  It's just coming up to our TA time, so here's hoping something
> decent today.  Looks like conditions again will take a turn for the worse
> in the next 2 days.  You win some, you lose some.  Bill Nollman showed me
> the joys of meteor FM scatter last night.  His new Elad FDM S-3 can record
> the entire FM band.  Sure fun watching the blips of meteor scatter.  Just
> maybe, I might have to get into FM DXing!73,Walt
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 6:18 PM Guy Atkins  wrote:
>
>> I hope other DXers in the Northwest, from the Victoria crew southwards,
>> found last night to be a fascinating time at the dials.
>>
>> At my temporary Cape Lookout post in Oregon, I noticed a few Japanese
>> stations in audio more than an hour and a half before Japan sunrise. With
>> 4.5 terabytes of hard drive space on my laptop now I decided to just let
>> SDR recording continue uninterrupted through the night.
>>
>> Spot checks a few times through the night showed a wealth of TPs up and
>> down the band. When I stopped recording at 1645 UTC (nearly two hours past
>> local SR), a handful of Chinese and Korean signals were still providing
>> weak but clear audio.
>>
>> So... what a turnaround from the previous two mornings. I'll be interested
>> to know others impressions of DX on Nov. 7th, as I face an SDR DXer's
>> dilemma of how to approach over 11 hours of productive DX recordings!
>>
>> 73,
>> Guy Atkins
>> Puyallup, WA
>> DXing from Cape Lookout State Park, OR
>> FDM-S2 / IC-7300 / ALA1530LNP @20 ft. / 10-inch FSL / portable RXs
>> ___
>> IRCA mailing list
>> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
>> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
IRCA Info Page - Kotalampi
montreal.kotalampi.com
This group is for those interested in AM (Broadcast Band) DXing, sponsored by 
the International Radio Club of America (IRCA) To see the collection of prior 
postings to the list, visit the IRCA Archives.(The current archive is only 
available to the list members.Using IRCA



>>
>> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
>> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
>> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
>>
>> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
>>
>> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
>>
>>
> ___
> IRCA mailing list
> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
>
> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
> contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
> editors, publishing staff, or officers
>
> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
>
> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
>

___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

Re: [IRCA] Nov. 7th: Ionosphere Delivers a Gold Mine to the Pacific NW

[bill [his.com]]

How does the S3 do on MW & HF Walt?

---

> On Nov 7, 2018, at 2:07 PM, Volodya S  wrote:
> 
> Agree, Bill.   A very nice problem to have.  We haven't had the greatest
> conditions on the east coast.  Nothing overnight here, as far as I know.
> This morning, the weather was perfect, so 4 of us went for a long walk
> along the beach, then bushwacked our way home, but as this place is
> surrounded by salty lagoons, we had to back track to make it back to the
> house.  It's just coming up to our TA time, so here's hoping something
> decent today.  Looks like conditions again will take a turn for the worse
> in the next 2 days.  You win some, you lose some.  Bill Nollman showed me
> the joys of meteor FM scatter last night.  His new Elad FDM S-3 can record
> the entire FM band.  Sure fun watching the blips of meteor scatter.  Just
> maybe, I might have to get into FM DXing!73,Walt
> 
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 6:18 PM Guy Atkins  wrote:
> 
>> I hope other DXers in the Northwest, from the Victoria crew southwards,
>> found last night to be a fascinating time at the dials.
>> 
>> At my temporary Cape Lookout post in Oregon, I noticed a few Japanese
>> stations in audio more than an hour and a half before Japan sunrise. With
>> 4.5 terabytes of hard drive space on my laptop now I decided to just let
>> SDR recording continue uninterrupted through the night.
>> 
>> Spot checks a few times through the night showed a wealth of TPs up and
>> down the band. When I stopped recording at 1645 UTC (nearly two hours past
>> local SR), a handful of Chinese and Korean signals were still providing
>> weak but clear audio.
>> 
>> So... what a turnaround from the previous two mornings. I'll be interested
>> to know others impressions of DX on Nov. 7th, as I face an SDR DXer's
>> dilemma of how to approach over 11 hours of productive DX recordings!
>> 
>> 73,
>> Guy Atkins
>> Puyallup, WA
>> DXing from Cape Lookout State Park, OR
>> FDM-S2 / IC-7300 / ALA1530LNP @20 ft. / 10-inch FSL / portable RXs
>> ___
>> IRCA mailing list
>> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
>> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
>> 
>> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
>> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
>> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
>> 
>> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
>> 
>> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
>> 
>> 
> ___
> IRCA mailing list
> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
> 
> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
> contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
> editors, publishing staff, or officers
> 
> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
> 
> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> 

___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

Re: [IRCA] Nov. 7th: Ionosphere Delivers a Gold Mine to the Pacific NW

[Guy Atkins]

Oops...I meant to type Japan *sunset*, of course.

--
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 10:18 AM Guy Atkins  wrote:

>
> At my temporary Cape Lookout post in Oregon, I noticed a few Japanese
> stations in audio more than an hour and a half before Japan sunrise.
>
--
___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

Re: [IRCA] Nov. 7th: Ionosphere Delivers a Gold Mine to the Pacific NW

[Volodya S]

Agree, Bill.   A very nice problem to have.  We haven't had the greatest
conditions on the east coast.  Nothing overnight here, as far as I know.
This morning, the weather was perfect, so 4 of us went for a long walk
along the beach, then bushwacked our way home, but as this place is
surrounded by salty lagoons, we had to back track to make it back to the
house.  It's just coming up to our TA time, so here's hoping something
decent today.  Looks like conditions again will take a turn for the worse
in the next 2 days.  You win some, you lose some.  Bill Nollman showed me
the joys of meteor FM scatter last night.  His new Elad FDM S-3 can record
the entire FM band.  Sure fun watching the blips of meteor scatter.  Just
maybe, I might have to get into FM DXing!73,Walt

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 6:18 PM Guy Atkins  wrote:

> I hope other DXers in the Northwest, from the Victoria crew southwards,
> found last night to be a fascinating time at the dials.
>
> At my temporary Cape Lookout post in Oregon, I noticed a few Japanese
> stations in audio more than an hour and a half before Japan sunrise. With
> 4.5 terabytes of hard drive space on my laptop now I decided to just let
> SDR recording continue uninterrupted through the night.
>
> Spot checks a few times through the night showed a wealth of TPs up and
> down the band. When I stopped recording at 1645 UTC (nearly two hours past
> local SR), a handful of Chinese and Korean signals were still providing
> weak but clear audio.
>
> So... what a turnaround from the previous two mornings. I'll be interested
> to know others impressions of DX on Nov. 7th, as I face an SDR DXer's
> dilemma of how to approach over 11 hours of productive DX recordings!
>
> 73,
> Guy Atkins
> Puyallup, WA
> DXing from Cape Lookout State Park, OR
> FDM-S2 / IC-7300 / ALA1530LNP @20 ft. / 10-inch FSL / portable RXs
> ___
> IRCA mailing list
> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
>
> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the
> original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the
> IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers
>
> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
>
> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
>
>
___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

Re: [IRCA] Nov. 7th: Ionosphere Delivers a Gold Mine to the Pacific NW

[R. Colin Newell]

I took the morning off -- Nick HP's "Fish Barrel" looked pretty perky
around 14:40 UTC -- maybe 14:45

I need to be up SUPER EARLY tomorrow to take the missus to the Airport
out the door around 5 AM -

So I'll have LOTS of time for PSR DXing.

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 10:18 AM Guy Atkins  wrote:

> I hope other DXers in the Northwest, from the Victoria crew southwards,
> found last night to be a fascinating time at the dials.
>
>
> --
Colin Newell - Editor and creator *of *Coffeecrew.com
 and DXer.ca  -
VA7WWV | Twitter @CoffeeCrew | Victoria - Canada
___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

Re: [IRCA] Nov. 7th: Ionosphere Delivers a Gold Mine to the Pacific NW

[Bill Whitacre]

What a wonderful problem to have!

Bill Whitacre - marooned in QRN wasteland in Alexandria, VA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 7, 2018, at 1:18 PM, Guy Atkins  wrote:
> 
> I hope other DXers in the Northwest, from the Victoria crew southwards,
> found last night to be a fascinating time at the dials.
> 
> At my temporary Cape Lookout post in Oregon, I noticed a few Japanese
> stations in audio more than an hour and a half before Japan sunrise. With
> 4.5 terabytes of hard drive space on my laptop now I decided to just let
> SDR recording continue uninterrupted through the night.
> 
> Spot checks a few times through the night showed a wealth of TPs up and
> down the band. When I stopped recording at 1645 UTC (nearly two hours past
> local SR), a handful of Chinese and Korean signals were still providing
> weak but clear audio.
> 
> So... what a turnaround from the previous two mornings. I'll be interested
> to know others impressions of DX on Nov. 7th, as I face an SDR DXer's
> dilemma of how to approach over 11 hours of productive DX recordings!
> 
> 73,
> Guy Atkins
> Puyallup, WA
> DXing from Cape Lookout State Park, OR
> FDM-S2 / IC-7300 / ALA1530LNP @20 ft. / 10-inch FSL / portable RXs
> ___
> IRCA mailing list
> IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
> http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca
> 
> Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
> contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
> editors, publishing staff, or officers
> 
> For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org
> 
> To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> 

___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

[IRCA] Nov. 7th: Ionosphere Delivers a Gold Mine to the Pacific NW

[Guy Atkins]

I hope other DXers in the Northwest, from the Victoria crew southwards,
found last night to be a fascinating time at the dials.

At my temporary Cape Lookout post in Oregon, I noticed a few Japanese
stations in audio more than an hour and a half before Japan sunrise. With
4.5 terabytes of hard drive space on my laptop now I decided to just let
SDR recording continue uninterrupted through the night.

Spot checks a few times through the night showed a wealth of TPs up and
down the band. When I stopped recording at 1645 UTC (nearly two hours past
local SR), a handful of Chinese and Korean signals were still providing
weak but clear audio.

So... what a turnaround from the previous two mornings. I'll be interested
to know others impressions of DX on Nov. 7th, as I face an SDR DXer's
dilemma of how to approach over 11 hours of productive DX recordings!

73,
Guy Atkins
Puyallup, WA
DXing from Cape Lookout State Park, OR
FDM-S2 / IC-7300 / ALA1530LNP @20 ft. / 10-inch FSL / portable RXs
___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

[IRCA] Oklahoma TP DX 11/7/18

[Richard N. Allen via IRCA]

--- Begin Message ---
774 JOUB barely audible to poor from 1225 to 1249.  The only TP heard here 
today.

Richard Allen,
near Perry OK USA,
Receiver: Skywave with 5-inch FSL.

Sent from my iPad--- End Message ---
___
IRCA mailing list
IRCA@hard-core-dx.com
http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca

Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original 
contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its 
editors, publishing staff, or officers

For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org

To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com

[IRCA] AM BCB DX........AURORA Conditions + 4 NEW Stations

[Robert Ross]

Hi Guys:

  Well things picked up this week on the AM BCB!! Some nice Auroral conditions 
that lasted for a few days and generally better DX Conditions overall. Logged a 
NEW British Columbia Station and Bahamas was heard on 810…..haven’t heard that 
for a while.  Lots of Lower Powered stuff to the South during the Auroral 
Opening.  Hope this isn a sign of conditions to come……..


AM BCB TOTALS are now.2,136  Stations Heard

RECEIVER is……….ELAD FDM-S2 SDR

ANTENNA is………WELLBROOK ALA-1530 LNP Imperium Loop

73………ROB VA3SW

Robert Ross
London, Ontario CANADA

**
890  CJDC  Dawson Creek, BC  Nov/03/18  0758 EDT EE   FAIR
Under WLS-Chicago.
C/W Music 0758-0800. Clear ID by Male DJ as “890 CJDC”. Into more 
continuous C/W Music til 0809. Sounded like an Ad @ 0804.

NEW STN10 kW
ROSS, ON.
**
640   WVLG   Wildwood, FL.   Nov/04/18   2100 EST EEFAIR
Male DJ with ID as “The Voice of the Villages - WVLG-640” Talk by Male DJ
And several more mentions of “The Villages”. Then mixing in the Jumble.

AURORA - K5/A16 Major Storm

NEW STN   930/860 kW
ROSS, ON.
**
1370   WQEZ  Fort Campbell, KY.   Nov/04/18  2158 ESTEE  FAIR
Pop/MOR Music. ID by Male DJ as “This is 99.9 FM and 1370 WQEZ”.
More MOR Music.

AURORA - K5/A16 Major Storm

NEW STN   1 kW/53 Watts
ROSS, ON.
**
940   WKYK   Burnsville, NCNov/05/18   0558 ESTEE  FAIR
Dolly Parton Classic C/W Music. ID by Male DJ as “WKYK - Burnsville”. Then into 
the Jumble.

AURORA - K5/A16 Major Storm

NEW STN  4.6 kW/250 watts
ROSS, ON.
**
1180   WKCE   Knoxville, TN.   Nov/04/18   1658 EST EE GOOD
Oldies Music. Male DJ with ID as “1180 - WKCE” Mixing with WHAM-Rochester, NY.
ID also as “WKCE-1180 Knoxville and WKCE dot com”. More Oldies Music.

RELOG……….But NEW CALLS. EX-WVLZ  10 kW DAYTIMER
ROSS, ON.
**
1570   WUBG   Methuen, MA.   Nov/03/18   0658 EDT EEFAIR
Classic Rock music. Male DJ with ID as “The Bay State’s biggest hits of the
60’s and 70’s - 1570 WUBG - Methuen/Boston - a ??? Station BIG 105.3”.
More Classic Rock mx.

RELOG…….But NEW CALLS and City of Licence EX - WMVX Beverly MA.
44 kW/140 Watts
ROSS, ON.
**
1280   WUZZ   Newcastle, PA.   Nov/03/18   0700 EDT  EE  GOOD
ID as “Golic and Wingo in the morning on ESPN - Western PA - This is 
WUZZ-Newcastle”. Into ESPN Sports Talk.

RELOG…….But NEW CALLS EX-WJST   4.9/1 kW
ROSS, ON.
**
810   ZNS-3  Freeport, BAHAMAS   Nov/05/18  0600 EST   EE VG
Male DJ with ID as “Your Inspirational Source - ZNS 810 AM”. Into
Christian Music. Then mixing with WWOS - Walterboro, SC (Which was signing
On). 

AURORA - K5/A16 Major Storm

RELOG10 kW
ROSS, ON.
**
690   XEN R. Sesente Nueve Mex.City, MEX.  Nov/05/18  2059 EST   SS GOOD
Male DJ with Spanish Talk. ID by Male DJ as “Radio Sesente Nueva - XEN”. 
Mentions of Mexico. Into more SS Talk.

AURORA 

RELOG100/5kW
ROSS, ON.
**
540   WFLF  Pine Hills, FL.Nov/05/18   0559 EST0559 EST   EE   FAIR
Male DJ with ID as “News Radio - 93.1 WFLA” Also listed a few Sister Stations.
Mixing with another station signing on with the SSB.

AURORA - K5/A16 Major Storm

RELOG   50/46 kW
ROSS, ON.
**
910.  WTMZ  Dorchester Terrace, SC   Nov/05/18. 0559 EST  EE GOOD
ESPN IDs/Promos. Male DJ with ID as “WWIK-98.9, WTMZ-910 AM, and 
94.7 FM Charleston”. Then mix with WFDF-Farmington Hills, MI. 

AURORA - K5/A16 Major Storm

RELOG  500 Watts
ROSS, ON.
**
970   WWRK   Florence, SC   Nov/04/18   1858 EST   EEGOOD
Classic Rock Music. ID as “I-Heart’s 94.1/97.9/105.9 - THE ROCK FM”.
Into more Classic Rock Mx. All alone on the Frequency.

AURORA

RELOG 10/3 kW
ROSS, ON.
**
1550  WIRV  Irvine, KY.   Nov/04/18   2058 ESTEE  FAIR
Oldies Music. ID by Male DJ as “V-99.3 is WIRV Irvine - Your Cool OLdies
Station”. Into ABC News.

AURORA

RELOG1 kW/5 Watts
ROSS, ON.
*