Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ question

[Neil Kazaross]

The single loops are rather forgiving. But please give me the best estimate
of the dimensions so I can model it in EZNEC to make sure. I have modeled a
couple of offset KAZ's for DXers previously and they seemed OK.

Or if you want it symmetric, just go 54 x 2=108 ft.  73 KAZ

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Patrick Martin  wrote:

> I went out and measured the distance across the yard and I have over 112
> feet and the tree in the middle is about 54 feet, so the Super KAZ should
> work, but may be a bit lopsided. But at 112 feet if I used 1:4 I would have
> to go up 25-30 feet. I think the tree branched behind the house, I should
> get close. So it looks like I am still in the ballpark, that is if I do not
> lose anymore trees. Does the KAZ have to be centered perfectly? The apex
> will not be exactly centered. The K9AY and EWE's I have built have always
> been forgiving. The old coax is still out there. I may have to connect an
> extension, but that is easy. So I may get something up sooner than I
> thought. I just need some good weather.
>
> Patrick Martin
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[IRCA] Super KAZ question

[Patrick Martin]

I went out and measured the distance across the yard and I have over 112 feet 
and the tree in the middle is about 54 feet, so the Super KAZ should work, but 
may be a bit lopsided. But at 112 feet if I used 1:4 I would have to go up 
25-30 feet. I think the tree branched behind the house, I should get close. So 
it looks like I am still in the ballpark, that is if I do not lose anymore 
trees. Does the KAZ have to be centered perfectly? The apex will not be exactly 
centered. The K9AY and EWE's I have built have always been forgiving. The old 
coax is still out there. I may have to connect an extension, but that is easy. 
So I may get something up sooner than I thought. I just need some good weather. 

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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update

[Neil Kazaross]

The D-KAZ has a considerably wider back null than the basic single loop KAZ
antenna. For example, with your null at 330 with the D-KAZ you probably
also have good nulls at 300 and 360. These nulls will be better at off
angles than what you'd get using a KAZ as the single loop has a more narrow
null aperture.

As an example here in IL. Milwaukee is about due north of me and Madison is
NW. Madison is still well nulled by my south D-KAZ even though it is aimed
due south. This was not the case when using a single KAZ.

Another example of D-KAZ null aperture and also beam width can be found on
950 here at night. WNTD is 31.8 miles from me at 133.4 deg. ie SE. A D-KAZ
aimed due west nulls it well enough to make Denver the dominant at night
unless cx are significantly non AU and CFAM QRMs.

As for null steering with the Vactrol, what you are really doing is
adjusting the termination resistance (Rt) for deepest back null. If you
mistune by a decent amount you may able to increase side nulls or off beam
nulls by a couple of dB but at the expense of significant loss of back null
depth.

Hmm... I didn't realize that you couldn't fine tune the SAL-30 nulls.

73 KAZ

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Brandon Jordan 
wrote:

> Hi folks. Due to work schedule I didn't get a chance to change the D-KAZ
> beam. Hopefully this evening...
>
> I did spend another hour with the Wellbrook D-KAZ/Vactrol (330 null) vs the
> SAL-30 last night. Nulling stations to the NW with them was a toss-up, on
> some nulls the D-KAZ won, on others the SAL-30. IMO, that is awesome. The
> SAL-30 is an expensive antenna, and offers 8 directional beams with
> excellent f/b. The down-side is that the nulls cannot be fine-tuned... but
> 8 beams rock :)
>
> I am really interested in setting up the D-KAZ at 45/225, that will allow
> me to compare nulls on the big guns to the NE.
>
> I do have a questions if Neil is reading. Would a Super KAZ offer wider
> null-steering vs the D-KAZ?
>
> --
> 73,
> Brandon Jordan, KM4PBQ
> Fayette County, TN EM55gc
> http://www.swldx.us
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update

[Brandon Jordan]

Hi folks. Due to work schedule I didn't get a chance to change the D-KAZ
beam. Hopefully this evening...

I did spend another hour with the Wellbrook D-KAZ/Vactrol (330 null) vs the
SAL-30 last night. Nulling stations to the NW with them was a toss-up, on
some nulls the D-KAZ won, on others the SAL-30. IMO, that is awesome. The
SAL-30 is an expensive antenna, and offers 8 directional beams with
excellent f/b. The down-side is that the nulls cannot be fine-tuned... but
8 beams rock :)

I am really interested in setting up the D-KAZ at 45/225, that will allow
me to compare nulls on the big guns to the NE.

I do have a questions if Neil is reading. Would a Super KAZ offer wider
null-steering vs the D-KAZ?

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Fayette County, TN EM55gc
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update

[coffee_canuck]

Big cheer just went up in my living room from my wife and CFO!

Good news on initial VACTROL reports! So proud, yay!

Full VACTROL reports and observations coming together on DXer.ca

Colin Newell - CoffeeCrew.com - VA7WWV - Victoria - BC

> On Mar 14, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Brandon Jordan  wrote:
> 
> Initial results are outstanding! Excellent nulls and more sensitive than
> the SAL-30.
> 
> I am planning on rotating the D-KAZ tomorrow to 45/225 and doing more A/B
> tests vs the SAL-30. More details soon.
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 8:21 PM, Neil Kazaross  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brandon,
>> 
>> I hope you can give us the good news about how well the D-KAZ works.
>> 
>> I now have a Vactrol setup here from a DX friend that I will try tomorrow
>> when I get home from work. Hopefully I can learn a lot when compared to my
>> fixed Rt method.  73 KAZ
>> 
>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Brandon Jordan 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Colin's Vactrol arrived today. I have a 140' D-KAZ erected point 150/330
>>> and should have everything connected in the next few hours. I am
>> initially
>>> going with the null at 330 degrees to compare how well the null for
>> Memphis
>>> stations compare to the SAL-30, at least for groundwave, but swapping
>>> between 150/330 is a 5 minute effort.
>>> 
>>> Thanks Colin!
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update

[Brandon Jordan]

Initial results are outstanding! Excellent nulls and more sensitive than
the SAL-30.

I am planning on rotating the D-KAZ tomorrow to 45/225 and doing more A/B
tests vs the SAL-30. More details soon.

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 8:21 PM, Neil Kazaross  wrote:

> Hi Brandon,
>
> I hope you can give us the good news about how well the D-KAZ works.
>
> I now have a Vactrol setup here from a DX friend that I will try tomorrow
> when I get home from work. Hopefully I can learn a lot when compared to my
> fixed Rt method.  73 KAZ
>
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Brandon Jordan 
> wrote:
>
> > Colin's Vactrol arrived today. I have a 140' D-KAZ erected point 150/330
> > and should have everything connected in the next few hours. I am
> initially
> > going with the null at 330 degrees to compare how well the null for
> Memphis
> > stations compare to the SAL-30, at least for groundwave, but swapping
> > between 150/330 is a 5 minute effort.
> >
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update

[Neil Kazaross]

Hi Brandon,

I hope you can give us the good news about how well the D-KAZ works.

I now have a Vactrol setup here from a DX friend that I will try tomorrow
when I get home from work. Hopefully I can learn a lot when compared to my
fixed Rt method.  73 KAZ

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Brandon Jordan 
wrote:

> Colin's Vactrol arrived today. I have a 140' D-KAZ erected point 150/330
> and should have everything connected in the next few hours. I am initially
> going with the null at 330 degrees to compare how well the null for Memphis
> stations compare to the SAL-30, at least for groundwave, but swapping
> between 150/330 is a 5 minute effort.
>
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update

[Brandon Jordan]

Colin's Vactrol arrived today. I have a 140' D-KAZ erected point 150/330 and 
should have everything connected in the next few hours. I am initially going 
with the null at 330 degrees to compare how well the null for Memphis stations 
compare to the SAL-30, at least for groundwave, but swapping between 150/330 is 
a 5 minute effort.

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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update

[Walter Salmaniw]

Good point, Mark.   I loved using my Conti super loop at the old house with
my 50' trees.  An exceptional performer in every way without any need for
amplification!Walt

On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 10:02 PM, Mark Connelly via IRCA <
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> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 17:02:08 -0500
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update
>
> What would be the magic of using the Kaz Delta form where you have the
> hold up the center with a catenary rope between the two trees?
>
>
> Wouldn't it make more sense to use the "SuperLoop" (Bruce Conti's term)
> which is like the Ewe with a bottom wire added?  This is also similar to
> the Flag antenna which has the same rectangular shape but is fed halfway up
> one vertical side and terminated halfway up the other side.  SuperLoop,
> like the Ewe, has feed and termination connections at the bottoms of the
> vertical wires.
> http://www.bamlog.com/superloop.htm
>
>
> That antenna requires two supports at the end, which you have.  You could
> also consider the Double Half Delta Loop, an antenna with somewhat better
> directivity but with lower gain.
>
> http://www.ok1rr.com/index.php/antennas/42-double-half-delta-loop-rx-antenna
>
>
> Mark Connelly, WA1ION
> South Yarmouth, MA
>
>
> <<
> Thanks for the good article on the KAZ/DKAZ, Super KAZ. Now with the
> missing tree, I will have to figure something else out. I do have options,
> as the property is still there. Putting up poles is not really a good
> option as keeping them up without a lot of extra support and unless a
> person has gone through 90-100 MPH winds, they have no clue what things are
> like here. When roofs blow off, keeping up a pole 30 feet high has its'
> difficulties. But the prospect of a cord across from the two existing trees
> and using the center as the apex, may be an option, or there is another
> angle I can install a KAZ I think. It will take a bit of thought now.
>
>
> Patrick Martin
> Seaside OR
> KGED QSL Manager
>
>
> > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 11:02:08 -0600
> > From: swl.tn@gmail.com
> > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update
> >
> > If you have to use poles then you may want to consider a DKAZ. Here is a
> > great article by Mark Durenberger that may be of interest:
> >
> > http://www.durenberger.com/documents/DKAZ070314.pdf
> >
> > I have one of Colin's Vactrol units on the way, it left San Francisco at
> > noon on yesterday and will hopefully arrive by this weekend. I will be
> > deploying a 140' DKAZ using the Wellbrook FLG100N and Vactrol.
> >
> > --
> > 73,
> > Brandon Jordan, KM4PBQ
> > Fayette County, TN EM55gc
> > http://www.swldx.us
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update

[Mark Connelly via IRCA]

--- Begin Message ---

What would be the magic of using the Kaz Delta form where you have the hold up 
the center with a catenary rope between the two trees?


Wouldn't it make more sense to use the "SuperLoop" (Bruce Conti's term) which 
is like the Ewe with a bottom wire added?  This is also similar to the Flag 
antenna which has the same rectangular shape but is fed halfway up one vertical 
side and terminated halfway up the other side.  SuperLoop, like the Ewe, has 
feed and termination connections at the bottoms of the vertical wires.
http://www.bamlog.com/superloop.htm


That antenna requires two supports at the end, which you have.  You could also 
consider the Double Half Delta Loop, an antenna with somewhat better 
directivity but with lower gain.
http://www.ok1rr.com/index.php/antennas/42-double-half-delta-loop-rx-antenna


Mark Connelly, WA1ION
South Yarmouth, MA


<<
Thanks for the good article on the KAZ/DKAZ, Super KAZ. Now with the missing 
tree, I will have to figure something else out. I do have options, as the 
property is still there. Putting up poles is not really a good option as 
keeping them up without a lot of extra support and unless a person has gone 
through 90-100 MPH winds, they have no clue what things are like here. When 
roofs blow off, keeping up a pole 30 feet high has its' difficulties. But the 
prospect of a cord across from the two existing trees and using the center as 
the apex, may be an option, or there is another angle I can install a KAZ I 
think. It will take a bit of thought now.


Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager


> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 11:02:08 -0600
> From: swl.tn@gmail.com
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update
> 
> If you have to use poles then you may want to consider a DKAZ. Here is a
> great article by Mark Durenberger that may be of interest:
> 
> http://www.durenberger.com/documents/DKAZ070314.pdf
> 
> I have one of Colin's Vactrol units on the way, it left San Francisco at
> noon on yesterday and will hopefully arrive by this weekend. I will be
> deploying a 140' DKAZ using the Wellbrook FLG100N and Vactrol.
> 
> -- 
> 73,
> Brandon Jordan, KM4PBQ
> Fayette County, TN EM55gc
> http://www.swldx.us
> 
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update

[Mark Durenberger]

Telephone poles and auto battery cable come to mind 




Regards,

Mark Durenberger
There's SO much I still don't know!

-Original Message- 
From: Patrick Martin

Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 1:42 PM
To: IRCA
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update

Thanks for the good article on the KAZ/DKAZ, Super KAZ. Now with the missing 
tree, I will have to figure something else out. I do have options, as the 
property is still there. Putting up poles is not really a good option as 
keeping them up without a lot of extra support and unless a person has gone 
through 90-100 MPH winds, they have no clue what things are like here. When 
roofs blow off, keeping up a pole 30 feet high has its' difficulties. But 
the prospect of a cord across from the two existing trees and using the 
center as the apex, may be an option, or there is another angle I can 
install a KAZ I think. It will take a bit of thought now.


Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager


Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 11:02:08 -0600
From: swl.tn@gmail.com
To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update

If you have to use poles then you may want to consider a DKAZ. Here is a
great article by Mark Durenberger that may be of interest:

http://www.durenberger.com/documents/DKAZ070314.pdf

I have one of Colin's Vactrol units on the way, it left San Francisco at
noon on yesterday and will hopefully arrive by this weekend. I will be
deploying a 140' DKAZ using the Wellbrook FLG100N and Vactrol.

--
73,
Brandon Jordan, KM4PBQ
Fayette County, TN EM55gc
http://www.swldx.us

WinRadio G33DDC G313-e | RFSpace SDR-IQ NetSDR | Elad FDM-S2 | Icom 
IC-7200

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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update

[Patrick Martin]

Thanks for the good article on the KAZ/DKAZ, Super KAZ. Now with the missing 
tree, I will have to figure something else out. I do have options, as the 
property is still there. Putting up poles is not really a good option as 
keeping them up without a lot of extra support and unless a person has gone 
through 90-100 MPH winds, they have no clue what things are like here. When 
roofs blow off, keeping up a pole 30 feet high has its' difficulties. But the 
prospect of a cord across from the two existing trees and using the center as 
the apex, may be an option, or there is another angle I can install a KAZ I 
think. It will take a bit of thought now.

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 11:02:08 -0600
> From: swl.tn@gmail.com
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update
> 
> If you have to use poles then you may want to consider a DKAZ. Here is a
> great article by Mark Durenberger that may be of interest:
> 
> http://www.durenberger.com/documents/DKAZ070314.pdf
> 
> I have one of Colin's Vactrol units on the way, it left San Francisco at
> noon on yesterday and will hopefully arrive by this weekend. I will be
> deploying a 140' DKAZ using the Wellbrook FLG100N and Vactrol.
> 
> -- 
> 73,
> Brandon Jordan, KM4PBQ
> Fayette County, TN EM55gc
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update

[Mark Durenberger]

BRANDON:  Would love to know of your scheme for rotating the D-Kaz.  Maybe 
we can use it on SBT 2016, the desert DXPedition.


Cheers!

Mark Durenberger
There's SO much I still don't know!

-Original Message- 
From: Brandon Jordan

Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 9:18 AM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update

I am probably going to start off aiming for Mexico, but will be able to
rotate the DKAZ  around any desired direction rather easily.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Neil Kazaross  wrote:

Brandon, please keep us informed how this goes and what you think of it

once built. What direction will you aim it?  73 KAZ



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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update

[Brandon Jordan]

I am probably going to start off aiming for Mexico, but will be able to
rotate the DKAZ  around any desired direction rather easily.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Neil Kazaross  wrote:

Brandon, please keep us informed how this goes and what you think of it
> once built. What direction will you aim it?  73 KAZ
>

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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update

[Patrick Martin]

Thanks for all of the kind words. Okay, I went out to look at the damage. It 
could have been a lot worse. 90+ MPH winds, a lot of roofs were blown off and 
there was damage to many homes in the area. Mine is fine. Over the shingle 
roof, I had a metal one put on years ago and it stayed on during the 2007 big 
blow (150 MPH gusts), so I figured the house was safe. No trees can hit the 
house anyway. Yes, the tree in the backyard was uprooted and landed in the 
field and there is quite the hole in the backyard. When the winds die off and 
it dries off, it will be taken away and the hole filled in.  The SW EWE came 
down, but the wire did not break, but I will have to get the tree out of there, 
before I can put it back. The Eastern Beverage is broken in a few places, but 
repairable, but it will be a bit of time until I get that back to normal too. 
the NE EWE is toast as the tree came down, but I rarely used it, except during 
TA's. The only antenna still standing in the NW EWE. But agai
 n, I can fix it all. The wind moved an anchored travel trailer of a neighbor's 
4 feet! My TV antenna got twisted 180 degrees and I lost two snap on elements 
(91XG). I had some spares, and that it back working fine. I lost some tar paper 
off my old shed, but the old tar paper is under it, so no big deal. I can 
repair that easily. This was our 6th worse storm in history. But nothing like 
the biggie in 2007 that went on for 3 days with 100-150 MPH winds! As far as 
the Super EWE goes, I still have a few ideas. As there are two trees out there 
in the backyard, but first the old tree has to go. As many of you know, I have 
lived out here since 1981 and I have seen a lot storms and yet, I always seem 
to get my antenna back going. Maybe I need to replant for more ShorePine trees. 
They grow fast, so maybe I can use them in years to come. 

Patrick

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 11:02:08 -0600
> From: swl.tn@gmail.com
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update
> 
> If you have to use poles then you may want to consider a DKAZ. Here is a
> great article by Mark Durenberger that may be of interest:
> 
> http://www.durenberger.com/documents/DKAZ070314.pdf
> 
> I have one of Colin's Vactrol units on the way, it left San Francisco at
> noon on yesterday and will hopefully arrive by this weekend. I will be
> deploying a 140' DKAZ using the Wellbrook FLG100N and Vactrol.
> 
> -- 
> 73,
> Brandon Jordan, KM4PBQ
> Fayette County, TN EM55gc
> http://www.swldx.us
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update

[Neil Kazaross]

Brandon, please keep us informed how this goes and what you think of it
once built. What direction will you aim it?  73 KAZ

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Brandon Jordan 
wrote:

> If you have to use poles then you may want to consider a DKAZ. Here is a
> great article by Mark Durenberger that may be of interest:
>
> http://www.durenberger.com/documents/DKAZ070314.pdf
>
> I have one of Colin's Vactrol units on the way, it left San Francisco at
> noon on yesterday and will hopefully arrive by this weekend. I will be
> deploying a 140' DKAZ using the Wellbrook FLG100N and Vactrol.
>
> --
> 73,
> Brandon Jordan, KM4PBQ
> Fayette County, TN EM55gc
> http://www.swldx.us
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update

[Brandon Jordan]

If you have to use poles then you may want to consider a DKAZ. Here is a
great article by Mark Durenberger that may be of interest:

http://www.durenberger.com/documents/DKAZ070314.pdf

I have one of Colin's Vactrol units on the way, it left San Francisco at
noon on yesterday and will hopefully arrive by this weekend. I will be
deploying a 140' DKAZ using the Wellbrook FLG100N and Vactrol.

-- 
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Fayette County, TN EM55gc
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update

[Dave Hascall]

Hi Patrick,

Could you use tall fiberglass poles / fishing rods for the center point?  I
recall seeing photos with the late John Bryant hoisting some delta antenna
with one or two.  Maybe I'm dreaming but I think that might be cool and you
can take it down.

73,
Dave in Indy
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update

[Patrick Martin]

Gary,

Thanks. I'll figure something out. I cannot do much until the old tree is 
removed though. The gusts are still 50-60 MPH as I type this. I can always 
plant new trees, but then I have to wait for them to grow. hi.

Patrick

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 08:25:38 +
> From: d1028g...@comcast.net
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update
> 
> Patrick (and Les), 
> I'm very sorry about the windstorm and related damage, Patrick. After 
> multiple visits to your property I can tell by your description that it was 
> an extremely destructive event. I've also experienced the vicious nature of 
> these Oregon ocean coast windstorms during an ill-advised DXing trip to the 
> Rockwork ocean cliff in November of 2012, and very well remember all of the 
> huge trees dropped by the 2007 windstorm in the area. Hopefully you will stay 
> safe, and leave the antenna work for later. 
>   
> <<<   Hope Gary and others in the Northwest are also well.   >>> 
>   
> Thanks, Les. Here in inland western Washington we have the same weather 
> front, but it's 99% rain. In western Washington and BC this is the normal 
> winter situation, and we only really pay attention to the weather when rare 
> sunshine (or much stronger wind, or snow) comes around. 
>   
> 73, Gary 
>   
>   
> 
>
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: "Les Rayburn"  
> To: "IRCA Radio List - irca@hard-core-dx_com"  
> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 11:57:09 PM 
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update 
> 
> I know that’s disappointing, since you were excited about experimenting with 
> new antennas. But the key thing is that you are safe. We are the ones who are 
> grateful for that. The hobby wouldn’t be the same without you. 
> 
> Hope Gary and others in the Northwest are also well. 
> 
> 
> 73, 
> 
> Les Rayburn, N1LF 
> 121 Mayfair Park 
> Maylene, AL 
> EM63nf 
> 
> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA. 
> 
> Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR, Quantum Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, 
> Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip. 
> 
> 
> > On Mar 10, 2016, at 1:33 AM, Patrick Martin  wrote: 
> > 
> > I can probably forget about building a Super KAZ in the backyard now, 
> > unless I can figure something else out. Tonight we had the 6th strongest 
> > Pacific Storm ever.  Hurricane winds.Not quite the monster we had in 2007 
> > for 3 days, but it was nasty. Gusts out here over 90 MPH. The center tree 
> > was totally uprooted, so it is history. I still have the tree behind the 
> > house that my antennas all run to. Fortunately, it is protected somewhat by 
> > the house. The other standing tree is at the far end of the property, so  
> > it looks like I will be able to repair 3 antennas ( I think ), but time 
> > will tell, and I have to check the damage in the morning. My TV Yagi (91XG) 
> > lost a lot of elements on it. Some I am sure broke but some may have blown 
> > off and they may be out in the field. They snap on.  The wind was so 
> > strong, it forced the double clamps holding the yagi, to push the antenna 
> > 180 degrees around! That is one darn strong wind. I did go out a bit ago to 
> > look at it, but it is still pretty 
> >  windy out there. The high wind warning is still in effect until 2AM, but 
> > it is dying back a bit. Power was out for 3 hours tonight with many trees 
> > down. But at least I am safe. It wont be the first time I had to rebuild 
> > antennas and I am sure it will not be that last. The only antenna that may 
> > not have been touched in the NW EWE. The SW EWE, I have an idea, the tree 
> > that was uprooted, fell across it. So it looks like my work is cut out for 
> > me once again. 
> > 
> > Patrick 
> > 
> > Patrick Martin 
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update

[Patrick Martin]

Les,

Thank you Les. But you know me, I will figure something out. I always do. Not 
happy to lose a good anchor tree, but that is the luck on the coast with old 
trees and our rain and wind. There is always some option out there. I even 
thought of running a cord or wire across from the two trees and use the center 
as the apix point for a Super KAZ. There is probably something I can come up 
with. I will check into it more in the morning. I cannot do much until the old 
tree is removed through. I still need to fix my TV yagi too.

Patrick

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

> From: l...@highnoonfilm.com
> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 01:57:09 -0600
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update
> 
> I know that’s disappointing, since you were excited about experimenting with 
> new antennas. But the key thing is that you are safe. We are the ones who are 
> grateful for that. The hobby wouldn’t be the same without you. 
> 
> Hope Gary and others in the Northwest are also well. 
> 
> 
> 73,
> 
> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> 121 Mayfair Park
> Maylene, AL 
> EM63nf
> 
> Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA. 
> 
> Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR, Quantum Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, 
> Wellbrook Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip. 
> 
> 
> > On Mar 10, 2016, at 1:33 AM, Patrick Martin  wrote:
> > 
> > I can probably forget about building a Super KAZ in the backyard now, 
> > unless I can figure something else out. Tonight we had the 6th strongest 
> > Pacific Storm ever.  Hurricane winds.Not quite the monster we had in 2007 
> > for 3 days, but it was nasty. Gusts out here over 90 MPH. The center tree 
> > was totally uprooted, so it is history. I still have the tree behind the 
> > house that my antennas all run to. Fortunately, it is protected somewhat by 
> > the house. The other standing tree is at the far end of the property, so  
> > it looks like I will be able to repair 3 antennas ( I think ), but time 
> > will tell, and I have to check the damage in the morning. My TV Yagi (91XG) 
> > lost a lot of elements on it. Some I am sure broke but some may have blown 
> > off and they may be out in the field. They snap on.  The wind was so 
> > strong, it forced the double clamps holding the yagi, to push the antenna 
> > 180 degrees around! That is one darn strong wind. I did go out a bit ago to 
> > look at it, but it is still pretty
> >  windy out there. The high wind warning is still in effect until 2AM, but 
> > it is dying back a bit. Power was out for 3 hours tonight with many trees 
> > down. But at least I am safe. It wont be the first time I had to rebuild 
> > antennas and I am sure it will not be that last. The only antenna that may 
> > not have been touched in the NW EWE. The SW EWE, I have an idea, the tree 
> > that was uprooted, fell across it. So it looks like my work is cut out for 
> > me once again.
> > 
> > Patrick
> > 
> > Patrick Martin
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update

[d1028gary]

Patrick (and Les), 
I'm very sorry about the windstorm and related damage, Patrick. After multiple 
visits to your property I can tell by your description that it was an extremely 
destructive event. I've also experienced the vicious nature of these Oregon 
ocean coast windstorms during an ill-advised DXing trip to the Rockwork ocean 
cliff in November of 2012, and very well remember all of the huge trees dropped 
by the 2007 windstorm in the area. Hopefully you will stay safe, and leave the 
antenna work for later. 
  
<<<   Hope Gary and others in the Northwest are also well.   >>> 
  
Thanks, Les. Here in inland western Washington we have the same weather front, 
but it's 99% rain. In western Washington and BC this is the normal winter 
situation, and we only really pay attention to the weather when rare sunshine 
(or much stronger wind, or snow) comes around. 
  
73, Gary 
  
  

   
- Original Message -

From: "Les Rayburn"  
To: "IRCA Radio List - irca@hard-core-dx_com"  
Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 11:57:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update 

I know that’s disappointing, since you were excited about experimenting with 
new antennas. But the key thing is that you are safe. We are the ones who are 
grateful for that. The hobby wouldn’t be the same without you. 

Hope Gary and others in the Northwest are also well. 


73, 

Les Rayburn, N1LF 
121 Mayfair Park 
Maylene, AL 
EM63nf 

Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA. 

Elad FDM-S2 SDR, AirSpy SDR, Quantum Phaser, Wellbrook ALA1530 Loop, Wellbrook 
Flag, Clifton Labs Active Whip. 


> On Mar 10, 2016, at 1:33 AM, Patrick Martin  wrote: 
> 
> I can probably forget about building a Super KAZ in the backyard now, unless 
> I can figure something else out. Tonight we had the 6th strongest Pacific 
> Storm ever.  Hurricane winds.Not quite the monster we had in 2007 for 3 days, 
> but it was nasty. Gusts out here over 90 MPH. The center tree was totally 
> uprooted, so it is history. I still have the tree behind the house that my 
> antennas all run to. Fortunately, it is protected somewhat by the house. The 
> other standing tree is at the far end of the property, so  it looks like I 
> will be able to repair 3 antennas ( I think ), but time will tell, and I have 
> to check the damage in the morning. My TV Yagi (91XG) lost a lot of elements 
> on it. Some I am sure broke but some may have blown off and they may be out 
> in the field. They snap on.  The wind was so strong, it forced the double 
> clamps holding the yagi, to push the antenna 180 degrees around! That is one 
> darn strong wind. I did go out a bit ago to look at it, but it is still 
> pretty 
>  windy out there. The high wind warning is still in effect until 2AM, but it 
> is dying back a bit. Power was out for 3 hours tonight with many trees down. 
> But at least I am safe. It wont be the first time I had to rebuild antennas 
> and I am sure it will not be that last. The only antenna that may not have 
> been touched in the NW EWE. The SW EWE, I have an idea, the tree that was 
> uprooted, fell across it. So it looks like my work is cut out for me once 
> again. 
> 
> Patrick 
> 
> Patrick Martin 
> Seaside OR 
> KGED QSL Manager 
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ update

[Les Rayburn]

I know that’s disappointing, since you were excited about experimenting with 
new antennas. But the key thing is that you are safe. We are the ones who are 
grateful for that. The hobby wouldn’t be the same without you. 

Hope Gary and others in the Northwest are also well. 


73,

Les Rayburn, N1LF
121 Mayfair Park
Maylene, AL 
EM63nf

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> On Mar 10, 2016, at 1:33 AM, Patrick Martin  wrote:
> 
> I can probably forget about building a Super KAZ in the backyard now, unless 
> I can figure something else out. Tonight we had the 6th strongest Pacific 
> Storm ever.  Hurricane winds.Not quite the monster we had in 2007 for 3 days, 
> but it was nasty. Gusts out here over 90 MPH. The center tree was totally 
> uprooted, so it is history. I still have the tree behind the house that my 
> antennas all run to. Fortunately, it is protected somewhat by the house. The 
> other standing tree is at the far end of the property, so  it looks like I 
> will be able to repair 3 antennas ( I think ), but time will tell, and I have 
> to check the damage in the morning. My TV Yagi (91XG) lost a lot of elements 
> on it. Some I am sure broke but some may have blown off and they may be out 
> in the field. They snap on.  The wind was so strong, it forced the double 
> clamps holding the yagi, to push the antenna 180 degrees around! That is one 
> darn strong wind. I did go out a bit ago to look at it, but it is still pretty
>  windy out there. The high wind warning is still in effect until 2AM, but it 
> is dying back a bit. Power was out for 3 hours tonight with many trees down. 
> But at least I am safe. It wont be the first time I had to rebuild antennas 
> and I am sure it will not be that last. The only antenna that may not have 
> been touched in the NW EWE. The SW EWE, I have an idea, the tree that was 
> uprooted, fell across it. So it looks like my work is cut out for me once 
> again.
> 
> Patrick
> 
> Patrick Martin
> Seaside OR
> KGED QSL Manager 
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[IRCA] Super KAZ update

[Patrick Martin]

I can probably forget about building a Super KAZ in the backyard now, unless I 
can figure something else out. Tonight we had the 6th strongest Pacific Storm 
ever.  Hurricane winds.Not quite the monster we had in 2007 for 3 days, but it 
was nasty. Gusts out here over 90 MPH. The center tree was totally uprooted, so 
it is history. I still have the tree behind the house that my antennas all run 
to. Fortunately, it is protected somewhat by the house. The other standing tree 
is at the far end of the property, so  it looks like I will be able to repair 3 
antennas ( I think ), but time will tell, and I have to check the damage in the 
morning. My TV Yagi (91XG) lost a lot of elements on it. Some I am sure broke 
but some may have blown off and they may be out in the field. They snap on.  
The wind was so strong, it forced the double clamps holding the yagi, to push 
the antenna 180 degrees around! That is one darn strong wind. I did go out a 
bit ago to look at it, but it is still pretty
  windy out there. The high wind warning is still in effect until 2AM, but it 
is dying back a bit. Power was out for 3 hours tonight with many trees down. 
But at least I am safe. It wont be the first time I had to rebuild antennas and 
I am sure it will not be that last. The only antenna that may not have been 
touched in the NW EWE. The SW EWE, I have an idea, the tree that was uprooted, 
fell across it. So it looks like my work is cut out for me once again.

Patrick

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager 
  
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ

[Patrick Martin]

KAZ,

I just came from looking and yes I have the room for a Super KAZ, but the 
Eastern leg of the Super KAZ will come down right next to the Eastern Beverage 
at an angle. What to do about it? The Eastern Bev probably has electrically  
connected with the SW EWE which runs 20 feet from the Bev. anyway. How much 
distance do I need? So it looks like I do have an issue there. I have plenty of 
room for antennas but unfortunately, the space I have the issue is that the 
antennas all are close. KAZ,  you may remember my large back yard when you were 
here. We walked about a 3rd of the distance to the end of the beverage.

Patrick

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 13:25:19 -0600
> From: neilka...@gmail.com
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ
> 
> How close to the Bev? Elevated Bevs definitely couple signal to nearby
> wires etc.  73 KAZ
> 
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Patrick Martin  wrote:
> 
> > I'll have to see how high I have for the middle tree. I know at least 30+
> > feet, maybe more. Today once again is rainy & windy. Raising the bottom
> > lean on the Super KAZ 7-8 feet will make it closer to the beverage and I do
> > not know if it would affect that. On the ground, it wouldn't. I know the
> > EWE well after building them since 1981, but other antennas other than the
> > beverage and the K9AY, I have not experimented with.
> >
> > Patrick Martin
> > Seaside OR
> > KGED QSL Manager
> >
> > > From: ma...@durenberger.com
> > > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > > Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 07:45:36 -0600
> > > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ
> > >
> > > I believe you're right on this, Kaz...
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Mark Durenberger
> > > There's SO much I still don't know!
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Neil Kazaross
> > > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 9:04 PM
> > > To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> > > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ
> > >
> > > Patrick, how high can you make that apex in the tree?
> > >
> > > However, with that Vactrol, if you can get a good null with the bottom
> > wire
> > > on the ground, it may be worth a try that way, but I fear your commonly
> > > soggy ground. I'd feel better about it 7 ft up. But try it on the ground
> > > first prior to installing any PVC for burial.
> > >
> > > 73 KAZ
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ

[Neil Kazaross]

How close to the Bev? Elevated Bevs definitely couple signal to nearby
wires etc.  73 KAZ

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Patrick Martin  wrote:

> I'll have to see how high I have for the middle tree. I know at least 30+
> feet, maybe more. Today once again is rainy & windy. Raising the bottom
> lean on the Super KAZ 7-8 feet will make it closer to the beverage and I do
> not know if it would affect that. On the ground, it wouldn't. I know the
> EWE well after building them since 1981, but other antennas other than the
> beverage and the K9AY, I have not experimented with.
>
> Patrick Martin
> Seaside OR
> KGED QSL Manager
>
> > From: ma...@durenberger.com
> > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 07:45:36 -0600
> > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ
> >
> > I believe you're right on this, Kaz...
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mark Durenberger
> > There's SO much I still don't know!
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Neil Kazaross
> > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 9:04 PM
> > To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ
> >
> > Patrick, how high can you make that apex in the tree?
> >
> > However, with that Vactrol, if you can get a good null with the bottom
> wire
> > on the ground, it may be worth a try that way, but I fear your commonly
> > soggy ground. I'd feel better about it 7 ft up. But try it on the ground
> > first prior to installing any PVC for burial.
> >
> > 73 KAZ
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ

[Patrick Martin]

I'll have to see how high I have for the middle tree. I know at least 30+ feet, 
maybe more. Today once again is rainy & windy. Raising the bottom lean on the 
Super KAZ 7-8 feet will make it closer to the beverage and I do not know if it 
would affect that. On the ground, it wouldn't. I know the EWE well after 
building them since 1981, but other antennas other than the beverage and the 
K9AY, I have not experimented with. 

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

> From: ma...@durenberger.com
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 07:45:36 -0600
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ
> 
> I believe you're right on this, Kaz...
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mark Durenberger
> There's SO much I still don't know!
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Neil Kazaross 
> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 9:04 PM 
> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America 
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ 
> 
> Patrick, how high can you make that apex in the tree?
> 
> However, with that Vactrol, if you can get a good null with the bottom wire
> on the ground, it may be worth a try that way, but I fear your commonly
> soggy ground. I'd feel better about it 7 ft up. But try it on the ground
> first prior to installing any PVC for burial.
> 
> 73 KAZ
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ

[Mark Durenberger]

I believe you're right on this, Kaz...


Regards,

Mark Durenberger
There's SO much I still don't know!

-Original Message- 
From: Neil Kazaross 
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 9:04 PM 
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America 
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ 


Patrick, how high can you make that apex in the tree?

However, with that Vactrol, if you can get a good null with the bottom wire
on the ground, it may be worth a try that way, but I fear your commonly
soggy ground. I'd feel better about it 7 ft up. But try it on the ground
first prior to installing any PVC for burial.

73 KAZ

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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ

[Patrick Martin]

Hi Walt,

I used to be like a monkey, climbing tree left and right, but a 67 with the 
boots I wear, climbing trees is a bit harder now days. I do have a slingshot, 
but I am not too good with it. I could give it a try. I will wait until the 
weather is better. I still climb ladders to clean out gutters and the like, but 
I do think about John Bryant often when I do. I can get a wire up 20-30 feet 
without much effort, but I do not know the best height for the Super KAZ. I 
have the ladder as well as a 10 foot PVC pole and I can push a wire over a 
branch too, but that is about at 20-25 feet. I like to have a weight on the end 
so the weight will fall down on the other side, so I can get it through too. 

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 05:14:58 +
> From: can...@gmail.com
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ
> 
> Patrick, I hear your trepidation over heights.  Have you considered
> alternate ways to launch wires to the apex?  At my DX cottage in Masset, I
> have many trees 100' or more in height.  No way I ever want to climb
> those.  A couple of years ago, I bought a sling shot antenna launcher which
> has proven to be incredibly easy and useful in putting up several antennae
> high up in the trees.  Just a thought...Walt Salmaniw, Victoria, BC
> 
> On Monday, March 7, 2016, Neil Kazaross  wrote:
> 
> > Patrick, these things will still work OK with a 5:1 aspect ratio. Give me
> > an idea of how high you can get the apex to be SAFELY !! So I can double
> > check with EZNEC. 73 KAZ
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 9:50 PM, Patrick Martin  > > wrote:
> >
> > > Colin,
> > >
> > > My first plan was to go with a EWE, but I guess there may be some issues,
> > > so I decided to go with the Super KAZ. KAZ wrote me wondering if our
> > soggy
> > > soil would affect the antenna with the bottom line being on the ground.
> > He
> > > may have a point there. I could raise it up 7-8 feet, but then I would
> > have
> > > to raise the apex also the bottom wire would ran close to the Eastern
> > > Beverage, as they are running the same direction, so would it affect the
> > > beverage? I have a lot of room, but the land is also loaded with a few of
> > > my other antennas.
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > > Patrick Martin
> > > Seaside OR
> > > KGED QSL Manager
> > >
> > > > From: coffeecan...@gmail.com 
> > > > Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 19:39:55 -0800
> > > > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com 
> > > > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ
> > > >
> > > > No worries - anyone I recognize on IRCA has easy credit with me!
> > > >
> > > > From encouragement from Chuck Hutton, I should start flirting with some
> > > different Opto isolators
> > > >
> > > > And maybe some added features.
> > > >
> > > > Colin Newell - CoffeeCrew.com - VA7WWV - Victoria - BC
> > > >
> > > > > On Mar 7, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Patrick Martin  > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Colin,
> > > > >
> > > > > If you lived on this side or the border, you would have had my cheque
> > > by the end of last week, but depending on how long it takes to get across
> > > the border, is anyone's guess. hi. At 180 air miles from Victoria, I
> > would
> > > think 3 or 4 days at the most.
> > > > >
> > > > > Patrick Martin
> > > > > Seaside OR
> > > > > KGED QSL Manager
> > > > >
> > > > >> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 18:52:23 -0800
> > > > >> From: coffeecan...@gmail.com 
> > > > >> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com 
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Shipped out 2 VACTROL sets today, one set to Scotland...
> > > > >> Will get yours and Bill's ready to go out tomorrow -
> > > > >> Have not received checks from you guys yet - but that is OK - I know
> > > ya! :-)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Exciting stuff huh!
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Patrick Martin  > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I went out when I got home this evening to look and measure the
> > room
> > > in
> > > > >>> the backyard. It is about 110 feet or so and 

Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ

[Walter Salmaniw]

Patrick, I hear your trepidation over heights.  Have you considered
alternate ways to launch wires to the apex?  At my DX cottage in Masset, I
have many trees 100' or more in height.  No way I ever want to climb
those.  A couple of years ago, I bought a sling shot antenna launcher which
has proven to be incredibly easy and useful in putting up several antennae
high up in the trees.  Just a thought...Walt Salmaniw, Victoria, BC

On Monday, March 7, 2016, Neil Kazaross  wrote:

> Patrick, these things will still work OK with a 5:1 aspect ratio. Give me
> an idea of how high you can get the apex to be SAFELY !! So I can double
> check with EZNEC. 73 KAZ
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 9:50 PM, Patrick Martin  > wrote:
>
> > Colin,
> >
> > My first plan was to go with a EWE, but I guess there may be some issues,
> > so I decided to go with the Super KAZ. KAZ wrote me wondering if our
> soggy
> > soil would affect the antenna with the bottom line being on the ground.
> He
> > may have a point there. I could raise it up 7-8 feet, but then I would
> have
> > to raise the apex also the bottom wire would ran close to the Eastern
> > Beverage, as they are running the same direction, so would it affect the
> > beverage? I have a lot of room, but the land is also loaded with a few of
> > my other antennas.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > Patrick Martin
> > Seaside OR
> > KGED QSL Manager
> >
> > > From: coffeecan...@gmail.com 
> > > Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 19:39:55 -0800
> > > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com 
> > > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ
> > >
> > > No worries - anyone I recognize on IRCA has easy credit with me!
> > >
> > > From encouragement from Chuck Hutton, I should start flirting with some
> > different Opto isolators
> > >
> > > And maybe some added features.
> > >
> > > Colin Newell - CoffeeCrew.com - VA7WWV - Victoria - BC
> > >
> > > > On Mar 7, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Patrick Martin  > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Colin,
> > > >
> > > > If you lived on this side or the border, you would have had my cheque
> > by the end of last week, but depending on how long it takes to get across
> > the border, is anyone's guess. hi. At 180 air miles from Victoria, I
> would
> > think 3 or 4 days at the most.
> > > >
> > > > Patrick Martin
> > > > Seaside OR
> > > > KGED QSL Manager
> > > >
> > > >> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 18:52:23 -0800
> > > >> From: coffeecan...@gmail.com 
> > > >> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com 
> > > >> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ
> > > >>
> > > >> Shipped out 2 VACTROL sets today, one set to Scotland...
> > > >> Will get yours and Bill's ready to go out tomorrow -
> > > >> Have not received checks from you guys yet - but that is OK - I know
> > ya! :-)
> > > >>
> > > >> Exciting stuff huh!
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Patrick Martin  >
> > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I went out when I got home this evening to look and measure the
> room
> > in
> > > >>> the backyard. It is about 110 feet or so and the row of trees,
> there
> > is one
> > > >>> nearly in the middle, give or take a few feet, so the plans for the
> > Western
> > > >>> Super KAZ looks good.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Colin Newell - Editor and creator *of *Coffeecrew.com
> > > >> <http://www.Coffeecrew.com> and DXer.ca <http://www.DXer.ca> -
> > > >> VA7WWV | Twitter @CoffeeCrew | Victoria - Canada
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ

[Neil Kazaross]

Patrick, these things will still work OK with a 5:1 aspect ratio. Give me
an idea of how high you can get the apex to be SAFELY !! So I can double
check with EZNEC. 73 KAZ

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 9:50 PM, Patrick Martin  wrote:

> Colin,
>
> My first plan was to go with a EWE, but I guess there may be some issues,
> so I decided to go with the Super KAZ. KAZ wrote me wondering if our soggy
> soil would affect the antenna with the bottom line being on the ground. He
> may have a point there. I could raise it up 7-8 feet, but then I would have
> to raise the apex also the bottom wire would ran close to the Eastern
> Beverage, as they are running the same direction, so would it affect the
> beverage? I have a lot of room, but the land is also loaded with a few of
> my other antennas.
>
> Patrick
>
> Patrick Martin
> Seaside OR
> KGED QSL Manager
>
> > From: coffeecan...@gmail.com
> > Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 19:39:55 -0800
> > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ
> >
> > No worries - anyone I recognize on IRCA has easy credit with me!
> >
> > From encouragement from Chuck Hutton, I should start flirting with some
> different Opto isolators
> >
> > And maybe some added features.
> >
> > Colin Newell - CoffeeCrew.com - VA7WWV - Victoria - BC
> >
> > > On Mar 7, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Patrick Martin  wrote:
> > >
> > > Colin,
> > >
> > > If you lived on this side or the border, you would have had my cheque
> by the end of last week, but depending on how long it takes to get across
> the border, is anyone's guess. hi. At 180 air miles from Victoria, I would
> think 3 or 4 days at the most.
> > >
> > > Patrick Martin
> > > Seaside OR
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> > >> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 18:52:23 -0800
> > >> From: coffeecan...@gmail.com
> > >> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> > >> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ
> > >>
> > >> Shipped out 2 VACTROL sets today, one set to Scotland...
> > >> Will get yours and Bill's ready to go out tomorrow -
> > >> Have not received checks from you guys yet - but that is OK - I know
> ya! :-)
> > >>
> > >> Exciting stuff huh!
> > >>
> > >>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Patrick Martin 
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I went out when I got home this evening to look and measure the room
> in
> > >>> the backyard. It is about 110 feet or so and the row of trees, there
> is one
> > >>> nearly in the middle, give or take a few feet, so the plans for the
> Western
> > >>> Super KAZ looks good.
> > >>
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ

[Patrick Martin]

Colin,

My first plan was to go with a EWE, but I guess there may be some issues, so I 
decided to go with the Super KAZ. KAZ wrote me wondering if our soggy soil 
would affect the antenna with the bottom line being on the ground. He may have 
a point there. I could raise it up 7-8 feet, but then I would have to raise the 
apex also the bottom wire would ran close to the Eastern Beverage, as they are 
running the same direction, so would it affect the beverage? I have a lot of 
room, but the land is also loaded with a few of my other antennas.

Patrick

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

> From: coffeecan...@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 19:39:55 -0800
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ
> 
> No worries - anyone I recognize on IRCA has easy credit with me!
> 
> From encouragement from Chuck Hutton, I should start flirting with some 
> different Opto isolators
> 
> And maybe some added features.
> 
> Colin Newell - CoffeeCrew.com - VA7WWV - Victoria - BC
> 
> > On Mar 7, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Patrick Martin  wrote:
> > 
> > Colin,
> > 
> > If you lived on this side or the border, you would have had my cheque by 
> > the end of last week, but depending on how long it takes to get across the 
> > border, is anyone's guess. hi. At 180 air miles from Victoria, I would 
> > think 3 or 4 days at the most. 
> > 
> > Patrick Martin
> > Seaside OR
> > KGED QSL Manager
> > 
> >> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 18:52:23 -0800
> >> From: coffeecan...@gmail.com
> >> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> >> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ
> >> 
> >> Shipped out 2 VACTROL sets today, one set to Scotland...
> >> Will get yours and Bill's ready to go out tomorrow -
> >> Have not received checks from you guys yet - but that is OK - I know ya! 
> >> :-)
> >> 
> >> Exciting stuff huh!
> >> 
> >>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Patrick Martin  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I went out when I got home this evening to look and measure the room in
> >>> the backyard. It is about 110 feet or so and the row of trees, there is 
> >>> one
> >>> nearly in the middle, give or take a few feet, so the plans for the 
> >>> Western
> >>> Super KAZ looks good.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -- 
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ

[Patrick Martin]

KAZ,

I was wondering the same thing about the soggy ground. How high the apex, 
depending on how I can get the wire up there. I can try and climb the tree, but 
the tree behind the house is easier to climb. The branches are in a better 
spot, than this tree in the center. At 67, I am not too thrilled to take 
chances. I did re-roof my shed a couple years back at 10 feet off the ground, 
but my knees paid for it for a week or so. However, I can climb the ladder a 
bit and with a 10 feet piece of PVC pipe, push the wire over a branch, but of 
course there is that limit of 20-25 feet. I can throw the wire over the 
branches, with a weight tied on the end too. How high do I really need to go, 
if 7-8 feet off the ground, for the bottom wire?

Patrick

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 21:04:13 -0600
> From: neilka...@gmail.com
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ
> 
> Patrick, how high can you make that apex in the tree?
> 
> However, with that Vactrol, if you can get a good null with the bottom wire
> on the ground, it may be worth a try that way, but I fear your commonly
> soggy ground. I'd feel better about it 7 ft up. But try it on the ground
> first prior to installing any PVC for burial.
> 
> 73 KAZ
> 
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 8:52 PM, R. Colin Newell 
> wrote:
> 
> > Shipped out 2 VACTROL sets today, one set to Scotland...
> > Will get yours and Bill's ready to go out tomorrow -
> > Have not received checks from you guys yet - but that is OK - I know ya!
> > :-)
> >
> > Exciting stuff huh!
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Patrick Martin  wrote:
> >
> > > I went out when I got home this evening to look and measure the room in
> > > the backyard. It is about 110 feet or so and the row of trees, there is
> > one
> > > nearly in the middle, give or take a few feet, so the plans for the
> > Western
> > > Super KAZ looks good.
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ

[coffee_canuck]

No worries - anyone I recognize on IRCA has easy credit with me!

>From encouragement from Chuck Hutton, I should start flirting with some 
>different Opto isolators

And maybe some added features.

Colin Newell - CoffeeCrew.com - VA7WWV - Victoria - BC

> On Mar 7, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Patrick Martin  wrote:
> 
> Colin,
> 
> If you lived on this side or the border, you would have had my cheque by the 
> end of last week, but depending on how long it takes to get across the 
> border, is anyone's guess. hi. At 180 air miles from Victoria, I would think 
> 3 or 4 days at the most. 
> 
> Patrick Martin
> Seaside OR
> KGED QSL Manager
> 
>> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 18:52:23 -0800
>> From: coffeecan...@gmail.com
>> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
>> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ
>> 
>> Shipped out 2 VACTROL sets today, one set to Scotland...
>> Will get yours and Bill's ready to go out tomorrow -
>> Have not received checks from you guys yet - but that is OK - I know ya! :-)
>> 
>> Exciting stuff huh!
>> 
>>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Patrick Martin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I went out when I got home this evening to look and measure the room in
>>> the backyard. It is about 110 feet or so and the row of trees, there is one
>>> nearly in the middle, give or take a few feet, so the plans for the Western
>>> Super KAZ looks good.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ

[Patrick Martin]

Colin,

If you lived on this side or the border, you would have had my cheque by the 
end of last week, but depending on how long it takes to get across the border, 
is anyone's guess. hi. At 180 air miles from Victoria, I would think 3 or 4 
days at the most. 

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 18:52:23 -0800
> From: coffeecan...@gmail.com
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ
> 
> Shipped out 2 VACTROL sets today, one set to Scotland...
> Will get yours and Bill's ready to go out tomorrow -
> Have not received checks from you guys yet - but that is OK - I know ya! :-)
> 
> Exciting stuff huh!
> 
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Patrick Martin  wrote:
> 
> > I went out when I got home this evening to look and measure the room in
> > the backyard. It is about 110 feet or so and the row of trees, there is one
> > nearly in the middle, give or take a few feet, so the plans for the Western
> > Super KAZ looks good.
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ

[Neil Kazaross]

Patrick, how high can you make that apex in the tree?

However, with that Vactrol, if you can get a good null with the bottom wire
on the ground, it may be worth a try that way, but I fear your commonly
soggy ground. I'd feel better about it 7 ft up. But try it on the ground
first prior to installing any PVC for burial.

73 KAZ

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 8:52 PM, R. Colin Newell 
wrote:

> Shipped out 2 VACTROL sets today, one set to Scotland...
> Will get yours and Bill's ready to go out tomorrow -
> Have not received checks from you guys yet - but that is OK - I know ya!
> :-)
>
> Exciting stuff huh!
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Patrick Martin  wrote:
>
> > I went out when I got home this evening to look and measure the room in
> > the backyard. It is about 110 feet or so and the row of trees, there is
> one
> > nearly in the middle, give or take a few feet, so the plans for the
> Western
> > Super KAZ looks good.
> >
>
>
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Re: [IRCA] Super KAZ

[R. Colin Newell]

Shipped out 2 VACTROL sets today, one set to Scotland...
Will get yours and Bill's ready to go out tomorrow -
Have not received checks from you guys yet - but that is OK - I know ya! :-)

Exciting stuff huh!

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Patrick Martin  wrote:

> I went out when I got home this evening to look and measure the room in
> the backyard. It is about 110 feet or so and the row of trees, there is one
> nearly in the middle, give or take a few feet, so the plans for the Western
> Super KAZ looks good.
>


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[IRCA] Super KAZ

[Patrick Martin]

I went out when I got home this evening to look and measure the room in the 
backyard. It is about 110 feet or so and the row of trees, there is one nearly 
in the middle, give or take a few feet, so the plans for the Western Super KAZ 
looks good. Instead of running the line on the ground, I think I will partial 
bury that line through a small piece of flexible piece of PVC type piping, it 
will be about even with the ground. That way no one will trip over it, if 
walking through the yard including animals.  It will be a bit more work, but 
safer. Either that or 7 feet off the ground, but then I would have to raise the 
peak of the KAZ. As it is, coming down on each end, I will run the wire down 
the side of a tree or tree branch. This should be interesting. It will be fun 
to compare the SW EWE with the new Super KAZ.  It will get onto this a bit 
metter when we get some dry weather. I will have to bury the coax and power 
cable to the Vactrol anyway. Maybe I can run the power cable th
 rough the same PVC as the wire, but I do not know if it would affect it. 

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
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