Re: [IRCA] noise?

[Mark Durenberger]

How did you know I've been putting on weight?  :-))


Regards,

Mark Durenberger



-Original Message- 
From: billy brooks

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 5:50 PM
To: 'Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America'
Subject: Re: [IRCA] noise?

Wow!!! One of the big guns replies to me!   I'm so flattered. where do I
kiss your ring?

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From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Durenberger
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 4:17 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] noise?

I wouldn't apologize, Bill!  You've got a great "rig."  And I don't think
ground is nearly as important as it would be to single-ended antennas like
long wires and verticals.


Regards,

Mark Durenberger



-Original Message-
From: billy brooks
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:58 PM
To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Subject: [IRCA] noise?

Too much noise is the reason I've curtailed / stopped my dx'ing activities.
But I will say, the hobby has advanced to the starship level of technology
compared to my lowly knight r-100a  w'/160ft. random set-up, back in the
'60's.

You folks have me just blown away with your sdr abilities and enzac
modeling.   Huh?

I'm re-learning the hobby after 50 non-contiguous years of dx'ing.

Back in my day, dx'ing kfi was a big deal.   You tp,ta guys are on an occult
level with me. I still hold my breath at your published results.  A
phenom I no nothing about!



Bill brooks

Waynesburgh,pa 15370

Formerly (nrc) wpe3hir



Currently:  wellbrook 1530ala lp drake r8a  no other antennas
very poor shale soils as ground plane



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Re: [IRCA] noise?

[billy brooks]

Geez. I was hoping neil wasn't one of the responders to this thread.  I
was formerly running his 17' x 64' kaz as my antenna oriented west w/900ohm
resistor as terminator.
My wellbrook is outside on the balcony railing about 5' from the brick
façade. Using a rotator to orient and lmr-240 lead-in. it is about 15'above
grade.  I can relocate to
The yard, but was hoping to keep it closer to the shack, where I can keep an
eye on it.

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From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Neil Kazaross
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 6:33 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] noise?

Billy that ALA 1530LP is a fine antenna. Can you mount it outside somewhere
on your property where it is less noisy? Perhaps raise it up and put it on a
rotor?

73 KAZ

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Mark Durenberger <ma...@durenberger.com>
wrote:

> I wouldn't apologize, Bill!  You've got a great "rig."  And I don't 
> think ground is nearly as important as it would be to single-ended 
> antennas like long wires and verticals.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark Durenberger
>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: billy brooks
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:58 PM
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: [IRCA] noise?
>
>
> Too much noise is the reason I've curtailed / stopped my dx'ing
activities.
> But I will say, the hobby has advanced to the starship level of 
> technology compared to my lowly knight r-100a  w'/160ft. random 
> set-up, back in the '60's.
>
> You folks have me just blown away with your sdr abilities and enzac
> modeling.   Huh?
>
> I'm re-learning the hobby after 50 non-contiguous years of dx'ing.
>
> Back in my day, dx'ing kfi was a big deal.   You tp,ta guys are on an
> occult
> level with me. I still hold my breath at your published results.
A
> phenom I no nothing about!
>
>
>
> Bill brooks
>
> Waynesburgh,pa 15370
>
> Formerly (nrc) wpe3hir
>
>
>
> Currently:  wellbrook 1530ala lp drake r8a  no other antennas
> very poor shale soils as ground plane
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Re: [IRCA] noise?

[billy brooks]

Wow!!! One of the big guns replies to me!   I'm so flattered. where do I
kiss your ring?

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From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Durenberger
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 4:17 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] noise?

I wouldn't apologize, Bill!  You've got a great "rig."  And I don't think
ground is nearly as important as it would be to single-ended antennas like
long wires and verticals.


Regards,

Mark Durenberger



-Original Message-
From: billy brooks
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:58 PM
To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Subject: [IRCA] noise?

Too much noise is the reason I've curtailed / stopped my dx'ing activities.
But I will say, the hobby has advanced to the starship level of technology
compared to my lowly knight r-100a  w'/160ft. random set-up, back in the
'60's.

You folks have me just blown away with your sdr abilities and enzac
modeling.   Huh?

I'm re-learning the hobby after 50 non-contiguous years of dx'ing.

Back in my day, dx'ing kfi was a big deal.   You tp,ta guys are on an occult
level with me. I still hold my breath at your published results.  A
phenom I no nothing about!



Bill brooks

Waynesburgh,pa 15370

Formerly (nrc) wpe3hir



Currently:  wellbrook 1530ala lp drake r8a  no other antennas
very poor shale soils as ground plane



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Re: [IRCA] noise?

[Neil Kazaross]

Billy that ALA 1530LP is a fine antenna. Can you mount it outside somewhere
on your property where it is less noisy? Perhaps raise it up and put it on
a rotor?

73 KAZ

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Mark Durenberger 
wrote:

> I wouldn't apologize, Bill!  You've got a great "rig."  And I don't think
> ground is nearly as important as it would be to single-ended antennas like
> long wires and verticals.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark Durenberger
>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: billy brooks
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:58 PM
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: [IRCA] noise?
>
>
> Too much noise is the reason I've curtailed / stopped my dx'ing activities.
> But I will say, the hobby has advanced to the starship level of technology
> compared to my lowly knight r-100a  w'/160ft. random set-up, back in the
> '60's.
>
> You folks have me just blown away with your sdr abilities and enzac
> modeling.   Huh?
>
> I'm re-learning the hobby after 50 non-contiguous years of dx'ing.
>
> Back in my day, dx'ing kfi was a big deal.   You tp,ta guys are on an
> occult
> level with me. I still hold my breath at your published results.  A
> phenom I no nothing about!
>
>
>
> Bill brooks
>
> Waynesburgh,pa 15370
>
> Formerly (nrc) wpe3hir
>
>
>
> Currently:  wellbrook 1530ala lp drake r8a  no other antennas
> very poor shale soils as ground plane
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Re: [IRCA] noise?

[Mark Durenberger]

I wouldn't apologize, Bill!  You've got a great "rig."  And I don't think 
ground is nearly as important as it would be to single-ended antennas like 
long wires and verticals.



Regards,

Mark Durenberger



-Original Message- 
From: billy brooks

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:58 PM
To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Subject: [IRCA] noise?

Too much noise is the reason I've curtailed / stopped my dx'ing activities.
But I will say, the hobby has advanced to the starship level of technology
compared to my lowly knight r-100a  w'/160ft. random set-up, back in the
'60's.

You folks have me just blown away with your sdr abilities and enzac
modeling.   Huh?

I'm re-learning the hobby after 50 non-contiguous years of dx'ing.

Back in my day, dx'ing kfi was a big deal.   You tp,ta guys are on an occult
level with me. I still hold my breath at your published results.  A
phenom I no nothing about!



Bill brooks

Waynesburgh,pa 15370

Formerly (nrc) wpe3hir



Currently:  wellbrook 1530ala lp drake r8a  no other antennas
very poor shale soils as ground plane



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Re: [IRCA] Noise Floor: Where Do We Go From Here?

[Patrick Martin]

That is why so many do DXpeditions these days. Get away from locals as well as 
the noise.


Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager



From: IRCA <irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com> on behalf of Paul B. Walker, Jr. 
<walkerbroadcast...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 7:56 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Noise Floor: Where Do We Go From Here?

I lucked out.. No AM station within 200 miles of me and if I can drive just
a few miles out of town, I get about as electrically/RF quiet as possible
as there are no power lines past the edge of town.

Paul


On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 6:17 PM Patrick Martin <mwd...@webtv.net> wrote:

>
>
> I totally agree with Russ.  It will continue to go up. KSWB 840 Seaside
> went with a 250w translator as John (owner) has the same issue, which FM
> doesn't.The only way to get rid of it is to move out in the middle of
> nowhere, as some have done, but that is not always practical. Here on the
> coast, my noise level used to be almost nil, but the noise level has even
> increased more here. Too many electronics that have noise.
>
>
>
> Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
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>
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 1:14 PM
>
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>
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Noise Floor: Where Do We Go From Here?
>
>
>
> If I have a guess, noise will continue to go up, and the FCC will be unable
>
> to take any steps strong enough to have an effect.
>
>
>
> Russ Edmunds
>
> 15 mi NW Phila
>
> Grid FN20id
>
> <wb2...@gmail.com>
>
>
>
> AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (4) barefoot w/whip
>
> FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
>
> Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 4);
>
> modified Sony ICF2010's (3) w/APS9B @ 15';
>
> modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Dennis Gibson <wb6...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > http://www.radioworld.com/article/noise-floor-where-do-
>
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Re: [IRCA] Noise Floor: Where Do We Go From Here?

[Paul B. Walker, Jr.]

I lucked out.. No AM station within 200 miles of me and if I can drive just
a few miles out of town, I get about as electrically/RF quiet as possible
as there are no power lines past the edge of town.

Paul


On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 6:17 PM Patrick Martin <mwd...@webtv.net> wrote:

>
>
> I totally agree with Russ.  It will continue to go up. KSWB 840 Seaside
> went with a 250w translator as John (owner) has the same issue, which FM
> doesn't.The only way to get rid of it is to move out in the middle of
> nowhere, as some have done, but that is not always practical. Here on the
> coast, my noise level used to be almost nil, but the noise level has even
> increased more here. Too many electronics that have noise.
>
>
>
> Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> From: IRCA <irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com> on behalf of Russ Edmunds <
> wb2...@gmail.com>
>
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 1:14 PM
>
> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
>
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] Noise Floor: Where Do We Go From Here?
>
>
>
> If I have a guess, noise will continue to go up, and the FCC will be unable
>
> to take any steps strong enough to have an effect.
>
>
>
> Russ Edmunds
>
> 15 mi NW Phila
>
> Grid FN20id
>
> <wb2...@gmail.com>
>
>
>
> AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (4) barefoot w/whip
>
> FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder;
>
> Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 4);
>
> modified Sony ICF2010's (3) w/APS9B @ 15';
>
> modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Dennis Gibson <wb6...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > http://www.radioworld.com/article/noise-floor-where-do-
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Re: [IRCA] Noise Floor: Where Do We Go From Here?

[Patrick Martin]

I totally agree with Russ.  It will continue to go up. KSWB 840 Seaside went 
with a 250w translator as John (owner) has the same issue, which FM doesn't.The 
only way to get rid of it is to move out in the middle of nowhere, as some have 
done, but that is not always practical. Here on the coast, my noise level used 
to be almost nil, but the noise level has even increased more here. Too many 
electronics that have noise.

Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager



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If I have a guess, noise will continue to go up, and the FCC will be unable
to take any steps strong enough to have an effect.

Russ Edmunds
15 mi NW Phila
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Re: [IRCA] Noise Floor: Where Do We Go From Here?

[Richard N Allen]

I agree with Russ, the future isn't bright in regard to the noise problem.  I'm 
curious as to what noise will be generated by the wind turbines planned for my 
neighbourhood.

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Re: [IRCA] Noise Floor: Where Do We Go From Here?

[Mark Pettifor]

As a tropical band DXer (a dying breed), I just want to know how I can 
get CODAR identified as "harmful interference".   :^)


But I agree with Russ. I don't see how anything is going to change. The 
IoNT (IoNT = Internet of Noisy Things) will continue to expand, as 
everyone wants to be instantly connected to everything, and all new tech 
is designed from the start to be "smart" tech.


I hope I don't sound too Luddite there

Mark


On 2016-12-15 4:14 pm, Russ Edmunds wrote:
If I have a guess, noise will continue to go up, and the FCC will be 
unable

to take any steps strong enough to have an effect.

Russ Edmunds
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Re: [IRCA] Noise Floor: Where Do We Go From Here?

[Russ Edmunds]

If I have a guess, noise will continue to go up, and the FCC will be unable
to take any steps strong enough to have an effect.

Russ Edmunds
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Re: [IRCA] Noise on 1500

[Stephen Hawkins]

Gang,

It sounds like wind whistling through my porch from just outside 
Moorland, Ia.


Steve

On 2/4/16 10:37 PM, Stewart, Joseph R wrote:

It's fairly strong tonight, though with skywave fading... I hear no "wobbling" or 
warbling, but rather a fairly steady tone of about 500 Hz, equally strong on both sidebands.  It's 
not a "clean"-sounding tone by any means--definitely sounds like someone with a serious 
transmitter problem. From here in southwest Missouri it loops pretty much E-W or just slightly 
ESE/WNW. Anyway, that's what I'm hearing around 2330 EST tonight.
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Re: [IRCA] Noise on 1500khz

[Rob Keeney]

The noise had been missing for a few nights but has been back the last 2
nights, still looping NW-SE for me.

Rob Keeney
Goose Creek SC

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 7:07 PM,  wrote:

> Last week I sent an e-mail to WPSO in New Port Ritchey,
> Fla. regarding the noise heard up here on 1500khz.  I
> raised the possibility that it may be originating from
> their transmitter.  Their reply mentioned that they will
> look into this issue soon.
>
> It's hard to imagine how a 250w station could generate
> enough noise from overload or some other issue to mess up
> the channel 1000 miles away.  They would have to put a
> considerable amount of RF energy into the noise to do
> this.  It appears the noise is audible when no other audio
> is heard (typical Greek vocal and instrumental music).
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> If the noise goes away in a week or so it was from WPSO.
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Re: [IRCA] Noise on 1500khz

[amdxer]

Last week I sent an e-mail to WPSO in New Port Ritchey,
Fla. regarding the noise heard up here on 1500khz.  I
raised the possibility that it may be originating from
their transmitter.  Their reply mentioned that they will
look into this issue soon.

It's hard to imagine how a 250w station could generate
enough noise from overload or some other issue to mess up
the channel 1000 miles away.  They would have to put a
considerable amount of RF energy into the noise to do
this.  It appears the noise is audible when no other audio
is heard (typical Greek vocal and instrumental music).

If the noise goes away in a week or so it was from WPSO.

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Re: [IRCA] Noise is gone

[BARRY DAVIES]

Great news Patrick





Best wishes




Barry :-) 

--- On Tue, 5/7/11, Patrick Martin mwd...@webtv.net wrote:


From: Patrick Martin mwd...@webtv.net
Subject: [IRCA] Noise is gone
To: irca@hard-core-dx.com, a...@nrcdxas.org
Date: Tuesday, 5 July, 2011, 4:48


Tonight I turned on the R8 and noticed there was no buzz, so I urned off
the NB and it is gone. Hopefully it wont return, but who knows? It
sounded like a Light Dimmer or a Touch Lamp. 

73,

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] Noise is gone

[Patrick Martin]

Thanks Barry. It does mean is wont return. hi. But at least for now it
is gone. 
The dial was loaded with static last night anyway from distant t storms,
not for several hundred miles, and the beverage was extremely noisy. But
it is Summer.

73,

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Tim Kridel]

I've been using CFLs for about 10 years and have never noticed an increase
in QRM. In fact, I have six in my shack, and two are less than a foot from
my radios.

CFLs do seem to make a significant dent in electricity consumption when
there's a house full of them. The downside is that in my experience, they
don't last anywhere near the advertised lifespan of several years,
regardless of whether they're a name brand or store brand.

I've gotten quite a few $5 Home Depot gift cards after complaining to
manufacturers, but I'm starting to believe that CFLs are a waste of money
because they don't last long enough for the energy savings to surpass the
price premium. I hope LEDs are better, but I'm not holding my breath.


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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Patrick Martin]

CFLs have had a lot of hype in their ads. I have two early ones that
Pacific Power sent out for free to try to get people to switch to them.
Those two put carriers all over the dial from the one I tried in my
radio room, so I decided then to stick with regular bulbs. I only run a
couple bulbs at a time in the house at night, so my savings would be
little if anything.

Patrick 

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Tim Hills]

Those buttons have diodes in them but they tended to short across the 
junction making them useless other than as a spacer.


On 6/29/2011 16:40, Patrick Martin wrote:

They also used to make a button shaped item you could put into the
socket to cut the volage down getting to the bulb. I don't know if those
as available nowdays or not.

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Patrick Martin]

I never tried the buttons other than years ago, I used them at a Disco
for flashing lights. They worked well for that. Not a good idea for
DXers though. hi. 

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Martin Foltz]

I have CFLs in my radio room and they don't generate noise. They are the
single bulb replacements. I also have some that are inside of the larger
flood type lights and those do emit noise. So those go off when listening.

The reason the power companies want us to switch is they can only produce so
much electricity and they're running out of capacity. So instead of building
new power plants they're trying to reduce consumption per household so that
they can build more homes and still provide service. It's not really about
us saving money.

I have also noticed that they don't last that long. I just hope most people
will dispose of them properly and I also hope that they find something
better in the future.

Martin Foltz
Mission Viejo CA


 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 07:24:48 -0500
 From: Tim Kridel
 To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
 Subject: Re: [IRCA] noise issue update
 
 I've been using CFLs for about 10 years and have never noticed an
 increase
 in QRM. In fact, I have six in my shack, and two are less than a foot
 from
 my radios.
 
 CFLs do seem to make a significant dent in electricity consumption when
 there's a house full of them. The downside is that in my experience,
 they
 don't last anywhere near the advertised lifespan of several years,
 regardless of whether they're a name brand or store brand.
 
 I've gotten quite a few $5 Home Depot gift cards after complaining to
 manufacturers, but I'm starting to believe that CFLs are a waste of
 money
 because they don't last long enough for the energy savings to surpass
 the
 price premium. I hope LEDs are better, but I'm not holding my breath.


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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Patrick Martin]

Martin,

I have heard this from the power companies. However, with the increase
in so many items that use power, it seems a bit overkill. But I don't
care to guess which CFLs do or do not caue RFI, so I will stick with
regular bulbs. I don't use many anyway. Right now as I type this, I have
1-40 watt lamp on in the livingroom and two 60 watt bulbs on off the den
where I am sitting. That is normal for me. I may go into the radio room
and turn on the light there and then turn off the one by the den. So,
not a lot of light bulbs are on at any one time. 

73,

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Russ Johnson]

When this stupid law became known a few years ago, I kept track of my usage
for a year and found that my 2000 sq ft home consumed about 30 bulbs (60 w)
over those 12 months.  Your mileage may vary I assume.   I bought 24 bulbs
on any trip to Lowe's until I got about a 12 year supply squirreled away.

In addition to that, I am using some LED bulbs in a few strategic locations
in the house that are far enough away from any radio gear ( I notice some
hash at a distance of 3 feet or less).  Based on where I am using them, I
think my 12 year supply of incandescents will last 15 or more years.

On the LED's, some models are longer in length than the standard bulbs...so
they may not fit inside every fixture you have.  Also they are heavy!  So in
lightweight lamps (gooseneck style), they can actually pull the thing over
due to weight.   So don't assume they are always going to be direct
replacements.Also, the light takes some getting used to.  It's a
brighter light and I find that it doesn't spread out/disperse as well as
incandescent.  They do run much much cooler and I think ultimately this
technology will be a good one...once prices come down.  I refuse to use
CFL's.

I have found that the 40w LED equivalent actually creates a similar amount
of light to a 60 watt incandescent in some fixtures.

FYI

Russ J.

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 I probably could sell off what I don't need. As wih many, I also don't
 like the light the CFL's put out.

 Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Tom Dimeo]

I remember from many years ago hearing about 130 volt bulbs 
so I went searching on Google.  Found the below information 
and several places to purchase them.

130 Volt bulbs average 5600 life hours when used on a 120 
Volt line. 200 watt bulbs average 5000 life hours. All other 
bulbs average 750 to 1000 life hours.

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Craig Healy]

I remember from many years ago hearing about 130 volt bulbs
so I went searching on Google.  Found the below information
and several places to purchase them.

130 Volt bulbs average 5600 life hours when used on a 120
Volt line. 200 watt bulbs average 5000 life hours. All other
bulbs average 750 to 1000 life hours.


This type of bulb is used on tower sidelights.  It'll be available for many 
years, even after household use is prohibited.  But, I am squirreling away 
incandescents myself.  I just don't like the fluorescent versions.


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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Patrick Martin]

I doubt I use 30 bulbs a year, being the only person in the house, but I
fiqure at least a dozen. Over 300+ bulbs should last me 20-30 years
anyway.

Patrick 

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Patrick Martin]

This type of bulb is used on tower sidelights. It'll be available for
many years, even after household use is prohibited. But, I am
squirreling away incandescents myself. I just don't like the fluorescent
versions.

How does this bulb compared in size to a regular bulb and cost? 

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Powell E. Way III]

I don't have ANY incandescent lamps in use except for a couple small diameter 
candlelabra styled lamps. Incandescent light is a very INaccurate poor color 
rendering light. 
 
You can get CFL lamps with colors at 2600 (Reveal) 2700, 3000 3500, 41000, 
5000, 5500,6000 and 6500 kelvin.  The GE Reveal gives a warm lush light with a 
slight pink hint. Using Brand X CFL lamps insure early failure. I have an old 
GE 23 watt ( 100+ equivalent) 6500 daylight bulbon the back of the house. I 
am breaking rules... no exposed, outdoor it says AND it's been on 24/7 for over 
2 years. If you use an outdoor antenna there's no interference. I found the 
Phillips SL series WERE noisy and gave them away. It's too bad that is the 
case, they last forever. I have a DESK lamp in my radio room that has 2 F15T8 
lamps in it. It SITS ATOP the radio, and you will not hear a WHISPER OUT OF 
IT.  It is not a CFL.  The Sylvania Living Spaces CFL is very rich in color, 
and is very quiet compared to the GE reveal, though the wire for the lamp that 
has it goes RIGHT by the small 3 foot wire on the old tube type Heathkit. 
 
S no blanket condeming please. 
 
However in a few years, you will see very few CFLs as a breakthrhough in LED 
lighting has happened that will bring the cost down to a few dollars. 
 
If you want you can use the halogen replacements starting to show up. Just be 
aware they are a fire hazard at End Of Life failure. They can explode and cause 
a fire. 
 
 
Powell
 
 
 


 
POP email is powell at backroads DOT net

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, I also don't
like the light the CFL's put out.

Patrick 

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Powell E. Way III]

I bought a CASE of Duro Test 116 watt marker lamps marked as 100 watters for a 
song. These bulbs are rated at 8000 hours. Clear. If you saw the bulb you'd  
understand why they last that long, but normally go for a lot of money for ONE 
lamp.  I used to use them where it was a very unsafe ordeal to change them out. 
 
 
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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Patrick Martin]

Powell,

I would want something no more than 75 watts as the heat that the bulb
produces  above that is too high for the dual sockets in the ceiling.
The limit is 75 watts. I have used 60 watt (2) in the past and they
work, but the two 75 watters are a bit brighter. 

73,

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Craig Healy]

 This type of bulb is used on tower sidelights. It'll be
 available for many years, even after household use is
 prohibited. But, I am squirreling away incandescent
 myself. I just don't like the fluorescent versions.

 How does this bulb compared in size to a regular bulb
 and cost?

Size is the same, though the glass is clear rather than frosted.  Cost wouldn't 
be that much different.  Haven't priced it lately, but I could check next time 
I speak with a tower company.

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Patrick Martin]

They also used to make a button shaped item you could put into the
socket to cut the volage down getting to the bulb. I don't know if those
as available nowdays or not. 

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Mike Hawkins]

I have changed one lightbulb in the past three years.  If you don't need it
on, don't turn it on.  If you turn it on and off a lot, you are killing it
one flick at a time so leave it on for the day.

Mike Hawkins

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 I doubt I use 30 bulbs a year, being the only person in the house, but I
 fiqure at least a dozen. Over 300+ bulbs should last me 20-30 years
 anyway.

 Patrick

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[Patrick Martin]

A lot of my bulbs get little use, so they last for years. A few get
replaced more than once a year, but not many. 

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[BARRY DAVIES]

Same here in particular the 150 Watt filaments which are now deemed illegal to 
sell. over here!.





Best wishes




Barry :-) 

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From: Patrick Martin mwd...@webtv.net
Subject: Re: [IRCA] noise issue update
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America 
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Date: Monday, 27 June, 2011, 19:24


I have heard the LEDs are noisy too. The old tryed and true bulbs are
still throughout my house. I have stored a lot of them, so if they quit
making them, I still will have them for years. 

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Patrick Martin]

I heard the old bulbs will not be sold past 2018 here, except the odd
sizes. But the 40-60-75-100w units will be history. But I still have 6
or 7 years to stock up more. Home Depot has good prices on them, plus
the Dollar stores, 4 bulbs for a dollar there. I have tryed the
expensive bulbs and the inexpensive and they all seem to last about the
same. What helps I have heard if to limit to voltage/urrent, they last
longer.
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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Russ Edmunds]

100's will be phased out by the end of this year. I believe that 75's and 60's 
will go by then end of 2013, and 40's in 2014. I don't see that you have until 
2018. So far I've not noted anything about smaller wattages and/or other types 
of bulbs. My house uses a lot of candle-type bulbs. As those don't last as long 
as standard-sized bulbs, I've stocked up on those.


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Grid FN20id
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FM: Yamaha T-80  Onkyo T-450RDS w/ APS9B @15'; Grundig G8
AM:  Modified Sony ICF 2010's barefoot


--- On Tue, 6/28/11, Patrick Martin mwd...@webtv.net wrote:

 From: Patrick Martin mwd...@webtv.net
 Subject: Re: [IRCA] noise issue update
 To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America 
 irca@hard-core-dx.com
 Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 3:18 PM
 I heard the old bulbs will not be
 sold past 2018 here, except the odd
 sizes. But the 40-60-75-100w units will be history. But I
 still have 6
 or 7 years to stock up more. Home Depot has good prices on
 them, plus
 the Dollar stores, 4 bulbs for a dollar there. I have tryed
 the
 expensive bulbs and the inexpensive and they all seem to
 last about the
 same. What helps I have heard if to limit to
 voltage/urrent, they last
 longer.
 Patrick
 
 Patrick Martin
 Seaside OR 
 KGED QSL Manager
 
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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Tim Hills]

Old trick on that one, making filaments last longer that is.

A diode in series with the center conductor drops the wattage of a 100W 
bulb to about 82W and they last many times longer. Tungsten increases in 
resistance as it gets hotter so even though the RMS voltage is 1/2, the 
current is higher making up the other 32% of power. Learned that trick 
when I worked for 3M on overhead projectors and copiers (ahem)  a few 
years back.


2A 400V diodes are fine for up to 100W, increase the current rating for 
larger bulbs.


Center conductor on an Edison base bulb because the outer screw-ring is 
(supposed to be) neutral with the center being hot. Safety first...


A 0.1 uF 400V ceramic cap  across the diode should kill any RFI.

0.01uF/1KV  caps across the ballast of fourescents also kills the noise 
nicely but only on the transformer based ballasts.


On 6/28/2011 14:18, Patrick Martin wrote:

I heard the old bulbs will not be sold past 2018 here, except the odd
sizes. But the 40-60-75-100w units will be history. But I still have 6
or 7 years to stock up more. Home Depot has good prices on them, plus
the Dollar stores, 4 bulbs for a dollar there. I have tryed the
expensive bulbs and the inexpensive and they all seem to last about the
same. What helps I have heard if to limit to voltage/urrent, they last
longer.
Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Patrick Martin]

Russ,

Thanks for the update. I guess the info I had changed. I don't know
exactly how many bulbs I will need for the next 25-30 years, but I have
quite a few. I don't use 100 watters, but 60  75 and on occasion a 40.
Of course we could always mail order for them from Canada or Mexico. :-)

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Robert S.Ross VA3SW]

On 28/06/2011 10:00 PM, Patrick Martin wrote:

Russ,

Thanks for the update. I guess the info I had changed. I don't know
exactly how many bulbs I will need for the next 25-30 years, but I have
quite a few. I don't use 100 watters, but 60  75 and on occasion a 40.
Of course we could always mail order for them from Canada or Mexico. :-)

Patrick

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Patrick...not so sure you'll be able to mail order them from CANADA!! 
We're supposed to be banning the sale of the Old Bulbs within the next 
year or so I heard!!! Everytime I go across the border to Port Huron or 
Detroit MichiganI bring a Bunch of Regular Bulbs back in 
Quantity!!! They are Already getting hard to find here in London, 
Ontario..especially at a decent price!! I think I have about 100,  60 
Watters and maybe 40,  100 Watters stashed awayand I'm gonna get a 
bunch more the next time I go cross border shopping here!! Even if I 
don't need that many...they shouldn't be hard to get rid of once they 
quit selling them!! I not only hate the new Bulbs for the RFI.I 
can't see bugger all with them!!! They're just not right!!


73..ROB VA3SW

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Patrick Martin]

Ross,

I totally agree. It is all bull anyway. We will allow more radio
stations on the air wasting power to few listeners and yet we are
supposed to conserve. I have well over 100 bulbs I am sure. Local Costco
and Home Depot still has them as well as Fred Meyer and Rite Aid. Not as
many, but at least they have them. I should count how many I have. 

Patrick 

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Patrick Martin]

I just checked and with the 40w/60w/75w blubs, I have somewhere between
350-400. I am 62, so plenty to last me the rest of my life. I may get a
couple more packs of the 40w for my lanps though. I don't have many
extra 40w. I presume the 25w ones from fridges  stoves will continue to
be made. 
   

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Mike Hawkins]

You can sell off what you don't need to the collectors on eBay and fund your
retirement!

Mike Hawkins

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 I just checked and with the 40w/60w/75w blubs, I have somewhere between
 350-400. I am 62, so plenty to last me the rest of my life. I may get a
 couple more packs of the 40w for my lanps though. I don't have many
 extra 40w. I presume the 25w ones from fridges  stoves will continue to
 be made.


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[Patrick Martin]

I probably could sell off what I don't need. As wih many, I also don't
like the light the CFL's put out.

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[BARRY DAVIES]

Dimmers are the kiss of death for AM over here.Surely they would not be 
switched on 24/7?  Well done on the sortie to the carport light without any 
cops attending hi!





Best wishes




Barry :-) 

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From: Patrick Martin mwd...@webtv.net
Subject: [IRCA] noise issue update
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America 
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Date: Sunday, 26 June, 2011, 23:03


My neighbor was gone today, so I went over with a portable and unplugged
the light in the carport briefly and the noise was still there, so not
that.
   I seem to remember that the previous owner has light dimmers and
there could be one on. Again, just a guess. But I still do not know. But
it is not the light in the carport. 

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Patrick Martin]

A light dimmer can be turned down and not off and the owner may not even
know it. I doubt this 92 year old man is a DXer either. hi.  But unless
a DXer wants to move miles away from people, they are stuck with noise.
This noise drops off once you get above 1000 kHz, and shows up a bit in
60 meters, but the issue is mainly the lower MW and LW frequencies.

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Colin Newell]

My favorite DX spot -- at the Hale Kona Kai Condos -- right next to the
Pacific Ocean on the Big Island of Hawaii -- is a WALL of noise
from about 1800 local to 2300 local. Often S9 signals -- all sounding
very SCR speed control and light dimmer like.

Is ironic that all the lighting there has been replaced
with energy smart fluorescent tubes and the like but the
noise level has gone from -121dbm (less than S1) to -63dbm (10db over S9)

On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:02:04 -0700 mwd...@webtv.net (Patrick Martin) wrote:
A light dimmer can be turned down and not off and the owner may not even
know it. I doubt this 92 year old man is a DXer either. hi.  But unless
a DXer wants to move miles away from people, they are stuck with noise.
This noise drops off once you get above 1000 kHz, and shows up a bit in
60 meters, but the issue is mainly the lower MW and LW frequencies.


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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Rene Tetro]

Fluorescent lights have always been a source of RF pollution, however.  So
they probably made the situation worse by moving to them.  I have never
allowed fluorescent lighting in my houses for that very reason.
Unfortunately, the world is moving away from incandescent to fluorescent
because of the energy savings, with little thought to what they do to the RF
Spectrum.

73,
Rene'

Is ironic that all the lighting there has been replaced
with energy smart fluorescent tubes and the like but the
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[Patrick Martin]

Unless we move on to acreage and have underground powerlines, there is
always the possibility of noise, but most of us cannot do that, so we
live with noise. I have been very lucky the last 30 years out here as
noise has been rare.

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Russ Johnson]

I have avoided CFLs just for the noise factor.   I purchased a couple of LED
bulbs (yes, pricey) recently.  While they seem to have a lot of advantages,
I was disappointed to see that they generated noise up to about 3 feet.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Rene Tetro r...@wfil.com wrote:

 Fluorescent lights have always been a source of RF pollution, however.  So
 they probably made the situation worse by moving to them.  I have never
 allowed fluorescent lighting in my houses for that very reason.
 Unfortunately, the world is moving away from incandescent to fluorescent
 because of the energy savings, with little thought to what they do to the
 RF
 Spectrum.

 73,
 Rene'

 Is ironic that all the lighting there has been replaced
 with energy smart fluorescent tubes and the like but the
 noise level has gone from -121dbm (less than S1) to -63dbm (10db over S9)



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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Patrick Martin]

Rene,

I remember the station in Reedsport OR boosting from 10 to 50 KW just to
cover their listening area as the powerline noise is so horrible. 

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Patrick Martin]

I have heard the LEDs are noisy too. The old tryed and true bulbs are
still throughout my house. I have stored a lot of them, so if they quit
making them, I still will have them for years. 

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Russ Edmunds]

I have no fluorescents, no CFL's and no LED bulbs in my house. There is a 
fluorescent tbe lamp in my shed some 75' from the house, and I'm the only one 
who uses it, so...

I have no expectations of having any of them because I have almost finished 
stocking up on enough incandescent bulbs to last as long as I'm likely to be 
here - even if that's another 15+ years !

I am not concerned about the relatively minimal increase in power consumption 
by remaining with the old and am willing to pay for that inefficiency in order 
to continue DX'ing.

Russ Edmunds
15 mi NNW of Philadelphia  
Grid FN20id
wb2...@yahoo.com
FM: Yamaha T-80  Onkyo T-450RDS w/ APS9B @15'; Grundig G8
AM:  Modified Sony ICF 2010's barefoot


--- On Mon, 6/27/11, Russ Johnson radiok...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Russ Johnson radiok...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [IRCA] noise issue update
 To: rte...@pobox.com, Mailing list for the International Radio Club of 
 America irca@hard-core-dx.com
 Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 2:16 PM
 I have avoided CFLs just for the
 noise factor.   I purchased a couple of LED
 bulbs (yes, pricey) recently.  While they seem to have
 a lot of advantages,
 I was disappointed to see that they generated noise up to
 about 3 feet.
 
 On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Rene Tetro r...@wfil.com
 wrote:
 
  Fluorescent lights have always been a source of RF
 pollution, however.  So
  they probably made the situation worse by moving to
 them.  I have never
  allowed fluorescent lighting in my houses for that
 very reason.
  Unfortunately, the world is moving away from
 incandescent to fluorescent
  because of the energy savings, with little thought to
 what they do to the
  RF
  Spectrum.
 
  73,
  Rene'
 
  Is ironic that all the lighting there has been
 replaced
  with energy smart fluorescent tubes and the like
 but the
  noise level has gone from -121dbm (less than S1)
 to -63dbm (10db over S9)
 
 
 
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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Russ Johnson]

I did the same thing Russ.



On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Russ Edmunds wb2...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I have no fluorescents, no CFL's and no LED bulbs in my house. There is a
 fluorescent tbe lamp in my shed some 75' from the house, and I'm the only
 one who uses it, so...

 I have no expectations of having any of them because I have almost finished
 stocking up on enough incandescent bulbs to last as long as I'm likely to be
 here - even if that's another 15+ years !

 I am not concerned about the relatively minimal increase in power
 consumption by remaining with the old and am willing to pay for that
 inefficiency in order to continue DX'ing.

 Russ Edmunds
 15 mi NNW of Philadelphia
 Grid FN20id
 wb2...@yahoo.com
 FM: Yamaha T-80  Onkyo T-450RDS w/ APS9B @15'; Grundig G8
 AM:  Modified Sony ICF 2010's barefoot


 --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Russ Johnson radiok...@gmail.com wrote:

  From: Russ Johnson radiok...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: [IRCA] noise issue update
  To: rte...@pobox.com, Mailing list for the International Radio Club of
 America irca@hard-core-dx.com
  Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 2:16 PM
   I have avoided CFLs just for the
  noise factor.   I purchased a couple of LED
  bulbs (yes, pricey) recently.  While they seem to have
  a lot of advantages,
  I was disappointed to see that they generated noise up to
  about 3 feet.
 
  On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Rene Tetro r...@wfil.com
  wrote:
 
   Fluorescent lights have always been a source of RF
  pollution, however.  So
   they probably made the situation worse by moving to
  them.  I have never
   allowed fluorescent lighting in my houses for that
  very reason.
   Unfortunately, the world is moving away from
  incandescent to fluorescent
   because of the energy savings, with little thought to
  what they do to the
   RF
   Spectrum.
  
   73,
   Rene'
  
   Is ironic that all the lighting there has been
  replaced
   with energy smart fluorescent tubes and the like
  but the
   noise level has gone from -121dbm (less than S1)
  to -63dbm (10db over S9)
  
  
  
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Re: [IRCA] noise issue update

[Patrick Martin]

Who cares about a few extra watts with the FCC allowing more AM  FM
stations and they add a lot more than the few of us. 

73,

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue

[Patrick Martin]

The issue is the houses are close on my West side and it radiates right
into my house wiring. Oh yes, matching transformers, isolation
transformers. Infact I tried running the R8 off 12v last night and the
noise was just as loud. If I cut the main power to the house, the noise
goes down. I hate to think I will have to DX that way the rest of my
life.

Patrick 

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue (What about the FCC?)

[BARRY DAVIES]

Doesn't the FCC come in to the picture? I see the odd bit of gear from the USA 
with some kind of meets FCC standard XYZetc. message on the box. Last year I 
had a pulse from an electric fence. It went after a couple of months. I do hope 
it's a faulty piece of gear at your neighbours house which will go kaput before 
the new season starts in the fall hi!





Best wishes




Barry :-) 

--- On Sun, 26/6/11, Patrick Martin mwd...@webtv.net wrote:


From: Patrick Martin mwd...@webtv.net
Subject: Re: [IRCA] noise issue
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America 
irca@hard-core-dx.com, a...@nrcdxas.org
Cc: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America 
irca@hard-core-dx.com
Date: Sunday, 26 June, 2011, 16:05




The issue is the houses are close on my West side and it radiates right
into my house wiring. Oh yes, matching transformers, isolation
transformers. Infact I tried running the R8 off 12v last night and the
noise was just as loud. If I cut the main power to the house, the noise
goes down. I hate to think I will have to DX that way the rest of my
life.

Patrick 

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue (What about the FCC?)

[Mike Hawkins]

I don't know that the FCC pays any attention to this anymore.  Considering
the RF noise that is generated by CFL lighting, fluorescent lighting (across
the board), Sharper Image (and other electrostatic) air cleaners, I think
the other cheek has been turned in unimaginable ways.  I am currently
isolating a source of noise that starts every week day at 0400, and on the
weekend at 0500 that I believe is coming from the new smart meters that the
utility is using.  Who knows what the result will be.

On the house wiring topic specifically, the last house that I lived in was a
electrical mess.  I could not listen to AM radio inside the house, and
walked around with a battery-powered Grundig to home in on the noise
source.  The main electrical panel was markedly warm.  I called the utility,
and they said there was strong arcing inside, but it was the responsibility
of the owner.  The owner didn't care at all, because he hoped it would burn
and he could use insurance money to put up a custom home on the huge lot.
If the noise is coming from the house, you might be stuck,  If its wiring
going to the house, the utility may have responsibility to repair it.

Mike Hawkins


On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 12:24 PM, BARRY DAVIES 
barry.davie...@btopenworld.com wrote:

 Doesn't the FCC come in to the picture? I see the odd bit of gear from the
 USA with some kind of meets FCC standard XYZetc. message on the box. Last
 year I had a pulse from an electric fence. It went after a couple of months.
 I do hope it's a faulty piece of gear at your neighbours house which will go
 kaput before the new season starts in the fall hi!





 Best wishes




 Barry :-)

 --- On Sun, 26/6/11, Patrick Martin mwd...@webtv.net wrote:


 From: Patrick Martin mwd...@webtv.net
 Subject: Re: [IRCA] noise issue
 To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America 
 irca@hard-core-dx.com, a...@nrcdxas.org
 Cc: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America 
 irca@hard-core-dx.com
 Date: Sunday, 26 June, 2011, 16:05




 The issue is the houses are close on my West side and it radiates right
 into my house wiring. Oh yes, matching transformers, isolation
 transformers. Infact I tried running the R8 off 12v last night and the
 noise was just as loud. If I cut the main power to the house, the noise
 goes down. I hate to think I will have to DX that way the rest of my
 life.

 Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue (What about the FCC?)

[Martin Foltz]

We just had a smart meter added to my gas meter. I'm curious to see if it
causes more noise but how to isolate? Maybe I should wrap it in aluminum
foil! The noise floor has increased around here in the past couple years.
Shortwave is suffering. I tried LW and I hear few beacons but lots of noise.
MW has lots of noise between the stations that you know is across the band.

Mike, you're right about air cleaners. My wife bought a couple (Sharper
Image, Oreck) and they all get turned off when the radio is on. We got a Wii
for Christmas and it needs to be unplugged! Just about everything that gets
plugged in now is a noise generator.

Martin Foltz
Mission Viejo CA


 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 14:01:39 -0700
 From: Mike Hawkins
 To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
   irca@hard-core-dx.com
 Subject: Re: [IRCA] noise issue (What about the FCC?)
 
 I don't know that the FCC pays any attention to this anymore.
 Considering
 the RF noise that is generated by CFL lighting, fluorescent lighting
 (across
 the board), Sharper Image (and other electrostatic) air cleaners, I
 think
 the other cheek has been turned in unimaginable ways.  I am currently
 isolating a source of noise that starts every week day at 0400, and on
 the
 weekend at 0500 that I believe is coming from the new smart meters that
 the
 utility is using.  Who knows what the result will be.
 
 On the house wiring topic specifically, the last house that I lived in
 was a
 electrical mess.  I could not listen to AM radio inside the house, and
 walked around with a battery-powered Grundig to home in on the noise
 source.  The main electrical panel was markedly warm.  I called the
 utility,
 and they said there was strong arcing inside, but it was the
 responsibility
 of the owner.  The owner didn't care at all, because he hoped it would
 burn
 and he could use insurance money to put up a custom home on the huge
 lot.
 If the noise is coming from the house, you might be stuck,  If its
 wiring
 going to the house, the utility may have responsibility to repair it.
 
 Mike Hawkins


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Re: [IRCA] noise issue (What about the FCC?)

[rfoxwor1]

 Mike Hawkins michael.d.hawk...@gmail.com wrote: 


 walked around with a battery-powered Grundig to home in on the noise
 source.  The main electrical panel was markedly warm.  I called the utility,
 and they said there was strong arcing inside, but it was the responsibility
 of the owner.  The owner didn't care at all, because he hoped it would burn
 and he could use insurance money to put up a custom home on the huge lot.


Don't they call this contributory negligence, perhaps insurance fraud.
IF THIS HAPPENED and the insurance company knew of it, I doubt they
would pay out on it. Not hard to imagine someone dying because of this.

Yeah he could get a custom home. Maybe 3 or 4 stories, all brick(to keep out
burglars living near you), plenty of steel bars in your door (think
Faraday cage...), scenic vistas of San Francisco Bay, meals delivered
to your front door daily  ...

Keep records of this.

- Bob


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Re: [IRCA] noise issue (What about the FCC?)

[Patrick Martin]

The FCC in the U.S. is pretty much useless these days. There is so much
QRN produced by electronic gadgets so even if the FCC had more power and
was out there like they were 40 years ago, they would need a separate
group just to ride herd on the noise issues. 

73,

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] noise issue (What about the FCC?)

[Patrick Martin]

I think my gas meter is one of those smart meters too, but I don't
believe mine causes any QRN. At least I don't believe so. 

73,

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] Noise Cancelling Headphones

[Patrick Martin]

Bill,

I went to Portland and tryed out several different models AT, Sony, and
the Bose quiet 15. To me the Bose won hands down. It was a long day and
a while ago, I was testing them and had them plugged into the Super
Radio and the noise cancelling on laying down on the bed. It was so
relaxing, I about fell asleep. After a while I did not even notice I was
wearing the phones. Spendy at $300, but they work better than I thought.
I can sit in front of the TV with the volume at room level and I put on
the phones and I can barely hear it. I have good hearing too. The test
in Best Buy was a loud wind sound, like on the beach and the phones took
out at least 95% of it and it was louder than our winds from in the
house. The comfort of the Bose phones is fantastic. I am very pleased.
I thank everyone for their advice  

73,

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] Noise Cancelling Headphones

[bill kral]

 Hi,If money is no problem, you can get noise cancelling headphones from 
aircraft operations accessory supply shops or maybe at your local airport 
flying club pilot shop. I can't remember any brand but I do remember that they 
cost about a grand,but work very well to cancel out the drone of an aircraft 
engine for easy two way com.Bill in BC

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Re: [IRCA] Noise Cancelling Headphones OT

[WALTER SALMANIW]

Patrick, I have used many of them.  The Bose $300 or so are superb (my wife has 
a pair for flights).  I use the Bose Aviation headphones when I fly (I'm a 
pilot), but their around $1k.  The cheap ones are just thathelp a bit, but 
mostly aren't worth much.  Walt

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From: mwd...@webtv.net (Patrick Martin)
Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011 0:37
Subject: [IRCA] Noise Cancelling Headphones OT
To: irca@hard-core-dx.com, a...@nrcdxas.org

 As many of you know, I live in a very windy area on the Northern 
 Oregoncoast. Often the high winds will wake me up in the midde 
 of the night
 and I cannot get back to sleep. I tried ear plugs and other 
 things, but
 being a DXer with acute hearing doesn't help. hi. A friend suggested
 Noice Cancelling phones, but knew little about them and how they work.
 Does anyone know anything about them and what brands I can look 
 at?  I
 checked with BestBuy in Portland. They have Sony's for $45 all 
 the way
 up to Bose for $300. Any suggestions? Thanks.
 
 73,
 
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Re: [IRCA] Noise Cancelling Headphones OT

[Patrick Martin]

I called BestBuy Walt, and they have  pair called  Bose Comfort 15 for
$300 and the are highly rated and claim you can sit next to a crying
baby on a fight and not hear anything. They get a rating of 4.8 ot of 5.
Bose is highly rated I know. $300 is better than putting up with a
racket.  It is the old story, you get what you pay for. Thanks.

73,

Patrick 

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Re: [IRCA] Noise Cancelling Headphones OT

[Patrick Martin]

Thank you Walt. I was reading about them and you are right, people love
them. 
Much appreciated!  Best Buy has them and the online price was the same
$299.95.  I wonder if you can use them to DX with?  

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] Noise Cancelling Headphones OT

[Guy Atkins]

Hi Patrick,

When I had my Perseus SDR blog up and running, a number of us had input
about the Audio Technica ATH-ANC7 noise cancelling headphones. This is a
highly rated model like the Bose, but for about half the price. On reviews
such as on Amazon.com, many think they sound just as good as the BOSE.

I have a pair and like them a lot, and find the noise reduction is
excellent. I like the detachable cord so you can use the 'phones simply for
reducing ambient noise, and not be bothered with the cord if you aren't
listening to music.

I also use the ATH-ANC7 while DXing, especially at the coast on DXpeditions
due to the noise from crashing waves and wind. They really help me
concentrate by knocking down a LOT of nature's QRM!

They are at least as good as my pricey audiophile-grade headphones when it
comes to reproducing nuances of DX audio in order help catch a difficult ID.
(I'm NOT a DXer that likes communications headphones which restrict the
audio frequencies; I prefer to shape the audio if needed through passband
tuning and filter selection.) For DXing as well as for music listening, low
distortion  wide frequency range headphones are my preference.

I bought my pair of ATH-ANC7s on Ebay for about $90 in mint, used condition.

Beware of a ATH-ANC7B, newer model... some people say it is not as good for
DX audio.

I have lots more detail on this particular headphones in my blog archive,
which I can dig up if you are interested.

73,

Guy Atkins
Puyallup, WA
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Re: [IRCA] Noise Cancelling Headphones OT

[Tony Ward]

You cannot beat the Bose for comfort and sound Patrick, though I prefer the OE2 
version myself. I have teacher's HF roll-off I fear, and my hearing is not as 
acute as it used to be. Look also though for the Audio-Technica ATH-ANC7 -- NOT 
the 7B's. Guy Atkins wrote about these and I found a pair in as new condition 
on eBay for about $100. Switching on the NC really punches the audio and the 
effect is major for me. Later versions are well-received but this particular 
model really is special. Not quite as comfortable but great for DX are the 
Sennheisser PXC-250's. I had to equip the whole family for a trip to NZ via the 
Long Path (Hong Kong) 3 years ago 
 
Tony (VE3NO)  ComputerViz,  NYAA Starfest

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I called BestBuy Walt, and they have  pair called  Bose Comfort 15 for
$300 and the are highly rated and claim you can sit next to a crying
baby on a fight and not hear anything. They get a rating of 4.8 ot of 5.
Bose is highly rated I know. $300 is better than putting up with a
racket.  It is the old story, you get what you pay for. Thanks.

73,

Patrick 

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR 
KGED QSL Manager
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Re: [IRCA] Noise Cancelling Headphones OT

[Patrick Martin]

Thanks Guy.  I am not fond of phones for DXing. I do use them to dig out
an ID from a CD or tape, but I rarely use them while DXing. The only
exception is during a DX test to make out morse code.
   What I need more than Hi Fi, is the ability to knock out the wind
noise completely. It is not loud like being next to the shore or a
crying baby, but loud enough to bug me when I am trying to sleep. I know
wearing headphones and sleeping might be a task, but at least it will
knock out the noise an I can rest. 
Like the other night we had wind gusts 70-75 MPH that came up at 3 AM.
Woke me up.  I got up and stayed up until 7 AM and went back to bed when
the gusts died down below 60 or so. As I get older the high winds bug me
more. i am not alone in that either. Many neighbors older than I am (I'm
62), get bugged. The lights are on all over the neighborhood during the
high winds. Other than that I love I coast. I always have.   A good set
of phones that cuts out the noise can be used to DX with or even
watching TV too. It will keep me BP down too. Thanks again. I'll check
out the ANC7's.

Patrick

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR 
KGED QSL Manager

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Re: [IRCA] Noise cancelling headphones

[Walter Salmaniw]

I've never found noise cancelling headphones of much use for DXing.  They take 
out a portion of the frequency response and make DXing more difficultWalt

At 05:45 AM 10/28/2009, you wrote:
Hi Colin

Which noise cancelling headphones do you use? (I'm working on my Christmas
Wish List.)

Mark

Mark Gerwlivch
Markham ON


On 10/28/09 1:24 AM, c...@islandnet.com c...@islandnet.com wrote:
 
 Just testing out the E1 with some noise canceling headphones
 which will come in handy as I am dxing from within 40 feet
 of the Hawaiian short starting a week Wednesday

 Colin Newell - Editor - CoffeeCrew DOT Com ---
 Victoria, British Columbia - Blog - Coffee DOT BC DOT CA
 DXer DOT CA and Bob Harris DOT Com


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Re: [IRCA] Noise cancelling headphones

[cafe]

 I've never found noise cancelling headphones of much use for DXing.  They 
 take out a portion of the frequency response and make DXing more 
 difficultWalt

When you are DXing next to thundering surf they sure as heck are...

Now when you are snug in your cabin with your feet next to the fire
playing with your perseus, nose reduction is not so important.

You can spent a little or a lot for NC Headphones.
Mine are Maxell's for $50 and they offer little in the way
of actual noise reduction.
Where they shine is on airplanes, trains and industrial areas.

Walt is right - for most DX applications, they do take something
away.
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Re: [IRCA] Noise cancelling headphones

[HASCALL, DAVID CIV DFAS]

I agree with both Walt and Colin.  Not too good for DX but great in
noisy offices and on airplanes.

Walgreen's has Coby bargain brand noise cancelling headphones for $20
(USD).  I got mine for $5.  :)  A clerk had apparently mismarked the
rack where the headphones were, as 75% off clearance.  I asked nicely to
verify the price and the manager said, it's supposed to be twenty but
I'll sell you one for five.  I told her thanks. :)

The Coby ones do have an on-off switch, for the noise cancellation
circuitry.  I wonder if the frequency response in the off position, is
compromised, in the least?

73,
Dave in Indy


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 I've never found noise cancelling headphones of much use for DXing.
They take out a portion of the frequency response and make DXing more
difficultWalt

When you are DXing next to thundering surf they sure as heck are...

Now when you are snug in your cabin with your feet next to the fire
playing with your perseus, nose reduction is not so important.

You can spent a little or a lot for NC Headphones.
Mine are Maxell's for $50 and they offer little in the way
of actual noise reduction.
Where they shine is on airplanes, trains and industrial areas.

Walt is right - for most DX applications, they do take something
away.
--

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DXer DOT CA and Bob Harris DOT Com
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Re: [IRCA] Noise cancelling headphones

[vroomski]

I use the Bose Quite Comfort headphones for DXing and love them.  When I 
purchase the JRC NRD 545 I receive free JRC headphones.  I also purchased
the Heli noise cancelling headphones and was unhappy with them. The headphones
separated from the head band.  I have had the Bose for almost two years 
(Christmas
present) and find them better than the two above headphones.  I have some 
hearing loss and they seem to help when DXing.

Dennis,
Salmon Creek, WA 
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Re: [IRCA] Noise cancelling headphones

[Tim Kridel]

I'm impressed by Able Planet's Clear Harmony product:
www.ableplanet.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=38. The noise
cancellation is okay, but the LINX Audio is superb in terms of being able to
pick up on nuances of speech without turning up the volume. I did a story on
LINX a few years ago --
www.proavmagazine.com/industry-news-print.asp?sectionID=0articleID=666144
-- and it really does work.

The list price of $300 is steep, but a few months ago, Tuesday Morning
stores were selling them for about $100.


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Re: [IRCA] Noise cancelling headphones

[Walter Salmaniw]

Sure, I can see that there are exceptions.  I have the Bose aviation noise 
cancelling headphones that I LOVE while I fly ($1000+).  They are superb.  I 
have tried lots of others with different levels of success.  In Colin's case, 
he needs to be able to eliminate the surf sound.  One option is to use the 
tight headphones worn by race car enthusiasts/pit crew.  They virtually totally 
eliminate any extraneous noise when worn, but are passive, of course, and not 
active.  You don't seem to lose any frequency response with these, compared to 
the active variety.  I have a pair of these that are in fact up in Masset now, 
and are used primarily during my DXing sessions there.  My wife hates them, as 
I don't hear a thing around me, including calls for dinner, etc!  Mostly, my 
experience is that you get what you pay for with active noise cancelling 
headphones (the Bose variety Steve mentioned are superb...my wife has a pair of 
those), whereas the $20 or $30 variety barely do much of an!
 ything...Walt

At 08:26 AM 10/28/2009, you wrote:
 I've never found noise cancelling headphones of much use for DXing.  They 
 take out a portion of the frequency response and make DXing more 
 difficultWalt

When you are DXing next to thundering surf they sure as heck are...

Now when you are snug in your cabin with your feet next to the fire
playing with your perseus, nose reduction is not so important.

You can spent a little or a lot for NC Headphones.
Mine are Maxell's for $50 and they offer little in the way
of actual noise reduction.
Where they shine is on airplanes, trains and industrial areas.

Walt is right - for most DX applications, they do take something
away.
--
..
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Victoria, British Columbia - Blog - Coffee DOT BC DOT CA
DXer DOT CA and Bob Harris DOT Com
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Re: [IRCA] noise levels in Japan

[Patrick Martin]

Nick  Dennis,

Apparently Sonny who lives near Kobe must be in a noisy area then.
Another friend who lives 100 km South of Seoul Korea says that area is
very noisy also. Poor grounds for powerpoles and the like. 

73,

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] Noise Canceling Headphones

[Powell E. Way III W4OPW]

--- Joe Miller, KJ8O [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello everyone and Happy Thanksgiving!!!
 
 
 I get all kinds of e-mail in my in-box (sadly much
 of
 it is ignored) but one that caught my attention was
 an
 ad from www.buy.com for RCA HPNC250 Noise Canceling
 Headphones 
 
 Question: has any ever tried using these for DXing
 and
 do sufficiently blank noise making it easier to hear
 the intended station.


That's mpt what it does. It cancels NOISE in the room
you are in. In other words you could not use those as
on the air headphones. 


 Powell

  
POP email is powell at backroads  DOT net
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Re: [IRCA] Noise Canceling Headphones

[Patrick Martin]

Happy Thanksgiving everyone. May the DX test this weekend be heard coast
to coast!

73,

Patrick

Patrick Martin
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