[The Java Posse] Re: Joe Nuxoll's new podcast about User Experience Design
Ha! Apologies to all for not even seeing this until just now... I have been a busy boy. This would be a lot of fun indeed - and a lot of work to produce! I haven't met Amy - but from a cursory glance at her website, it is clear we'd have a lot to talk about! - Joe On Feb 21, 12:04 pm, CKoerner wrote: > Today brings the announcement of Joe Nuxell's new UX Podcast focused > on exploring the intricacies of User Design. Joe brings a down to > earth and everyday programmers view to the an aspect of software > engineering that has for so long been only a consideration 'after' the > product is done. His ability to articulate the nuances of navigating > the business, engineering, and social aspects of user experience in > ways that developers can understand and relate to. His unique sense of > humor and wit produces a podcast that is not only educational, but > also fun to listen to. In his role as a freelance consultant and > having worked at design focused companies such as Apple, Joe is very > aware of the importance of UX Design! > > Making this a double hit smash is co-host Amy Hoy of Slash7.com who > brings her obsession over UX Design and dislike of sugar coating the > issues to the podcast table! A developer who's passion for UX Design > can be seen in the every aspect of her online presence, Amy's ability > to rethink the 'assumed', questioning every detail, enables her to > create experiences that are both inviting and inspiring. A published > author, speaker, and freelance consultant Amy is a shinning example > that developers can also be great designers. > > Together these two will produce a podcast that is full of insight, > laughs, paradigm shifts, funny stories, and more to explore the world > of UX Design for both developers wanting to learn more and designers > looking to improve. > > This new podcast is featured on the TWIT network with Leo Laport, and > will include interviews with industry insiders from all walks of > life. > > Congratulations Joe and Amy!! > > > > So this is the dream I had, now I wonder if I could make it happen? > What say you Joe? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] IT policies of large corporations - what is normal?
I'm really not trying to troll, but... Less ability to fix your own problem (jdk 1.6) on a mac than on Linux though. Lloyd On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Viktor Klang wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Robert Casto wrote: > >> Just a joke. >> >> I doubt any big companies, other than Apple, are using Macs for >> development. Some companies I have worked for don't care what you use. If >> you use a Mac though, you are completely on your own but I fail to see that >> as a deterrent. > > > Sure, basically what that means is that you get the possibility to fix your > problems right away instead of having to wait for your machine to be fixed > by local IT maintenance. > > > >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Kfir Shay wrote: >> >>> Robert you might have said that as a joke but all the startups I have >>> been part of were 100% Mac for developers. >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Robert Casto >>> wrote: >>> > They must have all been Mac users. >>> > >>> > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Kerry Sainsbury >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> It's a fairly standard list, although you'll often see people being >>> forced >>> >> to use IE6. Some of these restrictions need to be relaxed for >>> developers, >>> >> and they usually are in my experience. >>> >> >>> >> My favourite restriction was one corporate that had blocked the use of >>> the >>> >> right-mouse button. Beat that! >>> >> >>> >> Cheers >>> >> Kerry >>> >> >>> >> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 9:24 AM, phil.swen...@gmail.com >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I am curious... I work for a large software vendor and our policies >>> >>> are: >>> >>> >>> >>> -windows only (XP) >>> >>> -outside IM is banned (we have internal jabber server) >>> >>> -mandatory software that tracks every piece of software installed on >>> >>> your machine >>> >>> -manual proxy that tracks every outgoing web url (no banned urls tho) >>> >>> -skype is strictly forbidden >>> >>> -no use of SaaS software for company information >>> >>> -virus checker on every machine, including servers (kills performance >>> >>> on builds) >>> >>> -encrypted harddrives >>> >>> -itunes is banned >>> >>> -VPN policy forces all traffic to be routed over internet >>> >>> >>> >>> The reasons behind this are supposedly that the company must track >>> all >>> >>> information for legal purposes. >>> >>> >>> >>> So I'm curious - do companies like Google, Oracle, Microsoft, Intel >>> >>> have policies like this? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> >>> "The Java Posse" group. >>> >>> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >>> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> >> "The Java Posse" group. >>> >> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >>> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> >> For more options, visit this group at >>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Robert Casto >>> > www.IWantFreeShipping.com >>> > Find Amazon Filler Items easily! >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> > "The Java Posse" group. >>> > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> > For more options, visit this group at >>> > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "The Java Posse" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Robert Casto >> www.IWantFreeShipping.com >> Find Amazon Filler Items easily! >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Viktor Klang > | "A complex system that works is invariably > | found to have evolved from a simple system > | that worked." - John Gall > > Akka - the Actor Kernel: Akkasource.org > Twttr: twitter.com/viktorklang > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
[The Java Posse] Re: java server app of the week suggesion - Cassandra
yeah that did strike me as an unfortunate limitation that is at ods with other "noSQL" products. Looks like it is being worked on. No idea on the practice, would love to hear more. On Mar 3, 9:59 am, Casper Bang wrote: > We're evaluating Cassandra too. However, the requirement to manually > keep the "schema" in sync across nodes, seems like a big > issue:https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-44 > > Not so in practice? > > /Casper > > On Mar 2, 11:50 pm, Viktor Klang wrote: > > > > > In Akka (www.akkasource.org) we have a Cassandra backend for our persistence > > API as well as a DSLish Scala coating over the Thrift Java interface. > > (supporting connection pooling etc) > > >http://doc.akkasource.org/persistence > > > All in all Cassandra is an interesting product with impressive capabilities > > being just at version 0.5.1! > > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Michael Neale > > wrote: > > > > Cassandra - the non SQL distributed database. > > > > Recently twitter spoke about how they switched onto it (from heavily > > > sharded MySQL). Note that it originated at facebook. So we have 2 of > > > the biggest (and probably most important) social network platforms of > > > our times depending on it now, and it is written in java - I guess > > > there is life in the old JVM yet for "systems" programming. > > > >http://incubator.apache.org/cassandra/ > > > >http://nosql.mypopescu.com/post/407159447/cassandra-twitter-an-interv... > > > > Would love to hear from people who use it/have played with it etc.. > > > (it seems in most use cases I hear, the clients are non java apps - > > > using Thrift). > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "The Java Posse" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > .com> > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > -- > > Viktor Klang > > | "A complex system that works is invariably > > | found to have evolved from a simple system > > | that worked." - John Gall > > > Akka - the Actor Kernel: Akkasource.org > > Twttr: twitter.com/viktorklang -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: java server app of the week suggesion - Cassandra
Viktor Klang wrote: My not so extensive experience has told me that it depends on the kind of schema you're building. For something like a Twitter-clone you probably won't run into this unless you've done some bad planning, but I definitely would agree with you that it could be(come) a big issue. I'd love to hear if someone's had problems with this and what their domain/use was. Regarding schema evolution... The good old (err, ancient!) Z39.50 protocol used by libraries for distributed search is actually quite good for this. Lots of silly things in the protocol specification itself, but the semantic model is quite good. There are abstraction layers between the physical representation, what you query on, and what you retrieve (and more). The abstraction of the query model for example allows you to send the same query to different collections even if the schema was not identical. They just had to support the same query fields used by the query to evaluate the query. Actually, its even more general than that - you can set it up to return zero matches for unknown query fields rather than aborting with an error. This allowed introduction of newer versions of database schemas with backwards compatibility to old applications. (I am simplifying a bit here!) We still use Z39.50 today in the non-SQL database system we develop at work (TeraText.com). We have customers who want to log a continuous flow of arriving information (e.g. syslog messages), retiring off old content. E.g. create a new database each week and keep the last 26 databases around for 6 months of historical data. Then query across the appropriate subset of databases to find results. Z39.50 makes it easy to introduce schema changes into next week's database while still being able to search across all the older databases as well. (Obviously only the new database would find matches on searches specifying newer query fields.) Schema changes are typically not frequent, but when some new query comes along that the customer wants to be able to do, the ability to introduce new fields is very useful - especially if its a high volume of content. Rebuilding all the old databases to retrospectively add new indexes can take a long time and would potentially take the service off line, making it not so desirable. Alan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: java server app of the week suggesion - Cassandra
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:59 PM, Casper Bang wrote: > We're evaluating Cassandra too. However, the requirement to manually > keep the "schema" in sync across nodes, seems like a big issue: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-44 > > Not so in practice? > My not so extensive experience has told me that it depends on the kind of schema you're building. For something like a Twitter-clone you probably won't run into this unless you've done some bad planning, but I definitely would agree with you that it could be(come) a big issue. I'd love to hear if someone's had problems with this and what their domain/use was. > > /Casper > > On Mar 2, 11:50 pm, Viktor Klang wrote: > > In Akka (www.akkasource.org) we have a Cassandra backend for our > persistence > > API as well as a DSLish Scala coating over the Thrift Java interface. > > (supporting connection pooling etc) > > > > http://doc.akkasource.org/persistence > > > > All in all Cassandra is an interesting product with impressive > capabilities > > being just at version 0.5.1! > > > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Michael Neale >wrote: > > > > > > > > > Cassandra - the non SQL distributed database. > > > > > Recently twitter spoke about how they switched onto it (from heavily > > > sharded MySQL). Note that it originated at facebook. So we have 2 of > > > the biggest (and probably most important) social network platforms of > > > our times depending on it now, and it is written in java - I guess > > > there is life in the old JVM yet for "systems" programming. > > > > >http://incubator.apache.org/cassandra/ > > > > >http://nosql.mypopescu.com/post/407159447/cassandra-twitter-an-interv. > .. > > > > > Would love to hear from people who use it/have played with it etc.. > > > (it seems in most use cases I hear, the clients are non java apps - > > > using Thrift). > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "The Java Posse" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > > > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > -- > > Viktor Klang > > | "A complex system that works is invariably > > | found to have evolved from a simple system > > | that worked." - John Gall > > > > Akka - the Actor Kernel: Akkasource.org > > Twttr: twitter.com/viktorklang > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- Viktor Klang | "A complex system that works is invariably | found to have evolved from a simple system | that worked." - John Gall Akka - the Actor Kernel: Akkasource.org Twttr: twitter.com/viktorklang -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
[The Java Posse] Re: java server app of the week suggesion - Cassandra
We're evaluating Cassandra too. However, the requirement to manually keep the "schema" in sync across nodes, seems like a big issue: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-44 Not so in practice? /Casper On Mar 2, 11:50 pm, Viktor Klang wrote: > In Akka (www.akkasource.org) we have a Cassandra backend for our persistence > API as well as a DSLish Scala coating over the Thrift Java interface. > (supporting connection pooling etc) > > http://doc.akkasource.org/persistence > > All in all Cassandra is an interesting product with impressive capabilities > being just at version 0.5.1! > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Michael Neale wrote: > > > > > Cassandra - the non SQL distributed database. > > > Recently twitter spoke about how they switched onto it (from heavily > > sharded MySQL). Note that it originated at facebook. So we have 2 of > > the biggest (and probably most important) social network platforms of > > our times depending on it now, and it is written in java - I guess > > there is life in the old JVM yet for "systems" programming. > > >http://incubator.apache.org/cassandra/ > > >http://nosql.mypopescu.com/post/407159447/cassandra-twitter-an-interv... > > > Would love to hear from people who use it/have played with it etc.. > > (it seems in most use cases I hear, the clients are non java apps - > > using Thrift). > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "The Java Posse" group. > > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- > Viktor Klang > | "A complex system that works is invariably > | found to have evolved from a simple system > | that worked." - John Gall > > Akka - the Actor Kernel: Akkasource.org > Twttr: twitter.com/viktorklang -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] java server app of the week suggesion - Cassandra
In Akka (www.akkasource.org) we have a Cassandra backend for our persistence API as well as a DSLish Scala coating over the Thrift Java interface. (supporting connection pooling etc) http://doc.akkasource.org/persistence All in all Cassandra is an interesting product with impressive capabilities being just at version 0.5.1! On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Michael Neale wrote: > Cassandra - the non SQL distributed database. > > Recently twitter spoke about how they switched onto it (from heavily > sharded MySQL). Note that it originated at facebook. So we have 2 of > the biggest (and probably most important) social network platforms of > our times depending on it now, and it is written in java - I guess > there is life in the old JVM yet for "systems" programming. > > http://incubator.apache.org/cassandra/ > > http://nosql.mypopescu.com/post/407159447/cassandra-twitter-an-interview-with-ryan-king > > Would love to hear from people who use it/have played with it etc.. > (it seems in most use cases I hear, the clients are non java apps - > using Thrift). > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- Viktor Klang | "A complex system that works is invariably | found to have evolved from a simple system | that worked." - John Gall Akka - the Actor Kernel: Akkasource.org Twttr: twitter.com/viktorklang -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
[The Java Posse] java server app of the week suggesion - Cassandra
Cassandra - the non SQL distributed database. Recently twitter spoke about how they switched onto it (from heavily sharded MySQL). Note that it originated at facebook. So we have 2 of the biggest (and probably most important) social network platforms of our times depending on it now, and it is written in java - I guess there is life in the old JVM yet for "systems" programming. http://incubator.apache.org/cassandra/ http://nosql.mypopescu.com/post/407159447/cassandra-twitter-an-interview-with-ryan-king Would love to hear from people who use it/have played with it etc.. (it seems in most use cases I hear, the clients are non java apps - using Thrift). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] IT policies of large corporations - what is normal?
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Robert Casto wrote: > Just a joke. > > I doubt any big companies, other than Apple, are using Macs for > development. Some companies I have worked for don't care what you use. If > you use a Mac though, you are completely on your own but I fail to see that > as a deterrent. Sure, basically what that means is that you get the possibility to fix your problems right away instead of having to wait for your machine to be fixed by local IT maintenance. > > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Kfir Shay wrote: > >> Robert you might have said that as a joke but all the startups I have >> been part of were 100% Mac for developers. >> >> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Robert Casto >> wrote: >> > They must have all been Mac users. >> > >> > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Kerry Sainsbury >> wrote: >> >> >> >> It's a fairly standard list, although you'll often see people being >> forced >> >> to use IE6. Some of these restrictions need to be relaxed for >> developers, >> >> and they usually are in my experience. >> >> >> >> My favourite restriction was one corporate that had blocked the use of >> the >> >> right-mouse button. Beat that! >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Kerry >> >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 9:24 AM, phil.swen...@gmail.com >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I am curious... I work for a large software vendor and our policies >> >>> are: >> >>> >> >>> -windows only (XP) >> >>> -outside IM is banned (we have internal jabber server) >> >>> -mandatory software that tracks every piece of software installed on >> >>> your machine >> >>> -manual proxy that tracks every outgoing web url (no banned urls tho) >> >>> -skype is strictly forbidden >> >>> -no use of SaaS software for company information >> >>> -virus checker on every machine, including servers (kills performance >> >>> on builds) >> >>> -encrypted harddrives >> >>> -itunes is banned >> >>> -VPN policy forces all traffic to be routed over internet >> >>> >> >>> The reasons behind this are supposedly that the company must track all >> >>> information for legal purposes. >> >>> >> >>> So I'm curious - do companies like Google, Oracle, Microsoft, Intel >> >>> have policies like this? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> >>> "The Java Posse" group. >> >>> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> . >> >>> For more options, visit this group at >> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> >> "The Java Posse" group. >> >> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> . >> >> For more options, visit this group at >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Robert Casto >> > www.IWantFreeShipping.com >> > Find Amazon Filler Items easily! >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> > "The Java Posse" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> . >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > Robert Casto > www.IWantFreeShipping.com > Find Amazon Filler Items easily! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- Viktor Klang | "A complex system that works is invariably | found to have evolved from a simple system | that worked." - John Gall Akka - the Actor Kernel: Akkasource.org Twttr: twitter.com/viktorklang -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] IT policies of large corporations - what is normal?
Just a joke. I doubt any big companies, other than Apple, are using Macs for development. Some companies I have worked for don't care what you use. If you use a Mac though, you are completely on your own but I fail to see that as a deterrent. On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Kfir Shay wrote: > Robert you might have said that as a joke but all the startups I have > been part of were 100% Mac for developers. > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Robert Casto > wrote: > > They must have all been Mac users. > > > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Kerry Sainsbury > wrote: > >> > >> It's a fairly standard list, although you'll often see people being > forced > >> to use IE6. Some of these restrictions need to be relaxed for > developers, > >> and they usually are in my experience. > >> > >> My favourite restriction was one corporate that had blocked the use of > the > >> right-mouse button. Beat that! > >> > >> Cheers > >> Kerry > >> > >> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 9:24 AM, phil.swen...@gmail.com > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> I am curious... I work for a large software vendor and our policies > >>> are: > >>> > >>> -windows only (XP) > >>> -outside IM is banned (we have internal jabber server) > >>> -mandatory software that tracks every piece of software installed on > >>> your machine > >>> -manual proxy that tracks every outgoing web url (no banned urls tho) > >>> -skype is strictly forbidden > >>> -no use of SaaS software for company information > >>> -virus checker on every machine, including servers (kills performance > >>> on builds) > >>> -encrypted harddrives > >>> -itunes is banned > >>> -VPN policy forces all traffic to be routed over internet > >>> > >>> The reasons behind this are supposedly that the company must track all > >>> information for legal purposes. > >>> > >>> So I'm curious - do companies like Google, Oracle, Microsoft, Intel > >>> have policies like this? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >>> "The Java Posse" group. > >>> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > >>> For more options, visit this group at > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "The Java Posse" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > > > > > -- > > Robert Casto > > www.IWantFreeShipping.com > > Find Amazon Filler Items easily! > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "The Java Posse" group. > > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- Robert Casto www.IWantFreeShipping.com Find Amazon Filler Items easily! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] IT policies of large corporations - what is normal?
Robert you might have said that as a joke but all the startups I have been part of were 100% Mac for developers. On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Robert Casto wrote: > They must have all been Mac users. > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Kerry Sainsbury wrote: >> >> It's a fairly standard list, although you'll often see people being forced >> to use IE6. Some of these restrictions need to be relaxed for developers, >> and they usually are in my experience. >> >> My favourite restriction was one corporate that had blocked the use of the >> right-mouse button. Beat that! >> >> Cheers >> Kerry >> >> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 9:24 AM, phil.swen...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> I am curious... I work for a large software vendor and our policies >>> are: >>> >>> -windows only (XP) >>> -outside IM is banned (we have internal jabber server) >>> -mandatory software that tracks every piece of software installed on >>> your machine >>> -manual proxy that tracks every outgoing web url (no banned urls tho) >>> -skype is strictly forbidden >>> -no use of SaaS software for company information >>> -virus checker on every machine, including servers (kills performance >>> on builds) >>> -encrypted harddrives >>> -itunes is banned >>> -VPN policy forces all traffic to be routed over internet >>> >>> The reasons behind this are supposedly that the company must track all >>> information for legal purposes. >>> >>> So I'm curious - do companies like Google, Oracle, Microsoft, Intel >>> have policies like this? >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "The Java Posse" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > -- > Robert Casto > www.IWantFreeShipping.com > Find Amazon Filler Items easily! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] IT policies of large corporations - what is normal?
They must have all been Mac users. On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Kerry Sainsbury wrote: > It's a fairly standard list, although you'll often see people being forced > to use IE6. Some of these restrictions need to be relaxed for developers, > and they usually are in my experience. > > My favourite restriction was one corporate that had blocked the use of the > right-mouse button. Beat that! > > Cheers > Kerry > > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 9:24 AM, phil.swen...@gmail.com < > phil.swen...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I am curious... I work for a large software vendor and our policies >> are: >> >> -windows only (XP) >> -outside IM is banned (we have internal jabber server) >> -mandatory software that tracks every piece of software installed on >> your machine >> -manual proxy that tracks every outgoing web url (no banned urls tho) >> -skype is strictly forbidden >> -no use of SaaS software for company information >> -virus checker on every machine, including servers (kills performance >> on builds) >> -encrypted harddrives >> -itunes is banned >> -VPN policy forces all traffic to be routed over internet >> >> The reasons behind this are supposedly that the company must track all >> information for legal purposes. >> >> So I'm curious - do companies like Google, Oracle, Microsoft, Intel >> have policies like this? >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- Robert Casto www.IWantFreeShipping.com Find Amazon Filler Items easily! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] IT policies of large corporations - what is normal?
It's a fairly standard list, although you'll often see people being forced to use IE6. Some of these restrictions need to be relaxed for developers, and they usually are in my experience. My favourite restriction was one corporate that had blocked the use of the right-mouse button. Beat that! Cheers Kerry On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 9:24 AM, phil.swen...@gmail.com < phil.swen...@gmail.com> wrote: > I am curious... I work for a large software vendor and our policies > are: > > -windows only (XP) > -outside IM is banned (we have internal jabber server) > -mandatory software that tracks every piece of software installed on > your machine > -manual proxy that tracks every outgoing web url (no banned urls tho) > -skype is strictly forbidden > -no use of SaaS software for company information > -virus checker on every machine, including servers (kills performance > on builds) > -encrypted harddrives > -itunes is banned > -VPN policy forces all traffic to be routed over internet > > The reasons behind this are supposedly that the company must track all > information for legal purposes. > > So I'm curious - do companies like Google, Oracle, Microsoft, Intel > have policies like this? > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: IT policies of large corporations - what is normal?
crucially though... Is anyone aware of an event like this - high profile or otherwise - in which the affected company was primarily IT based or the responsible employee was a developer. If so, was it the case for that particular event that a more stringent security lock down would have been effective in its prevention? On 2 March 2010 13:56, Phil wrote: > > > > Encrypted harddrives? Sounds like a clueless exec paranoid about IP. > > Almost no code IP is worth anything to an outsider. Seriously, who is > > going to bother to try and figure out a competitor's code-base? > > Sounds like a huge PITA to me. For a CFO/CEO, I can understand > > wanting to have an encrypted HD. BTW, the overhead of encryption on a > > dev machine is very high. > > > > In 2007 there were a series of very embarassing, high profile data > loss events in the UK: the Inland Revenue lost some unencrypted CDs > with the tax and bank account details of over 10 million people. A > contractor for the prison service lost a memory stick containing the > personal details of prisoners due for release. A hard drive containing > details of UK driving licence holders went missing in a data centre in > the USA. > > As a result all the big consultancies accellerated their adoption of > full drive encryption as a result, for all machines, as a way to > mitigate against lost and stolen hardware. No, this wouldn't have > prevented the first two events because people did not follow their > employer's/customer's processes. It highlighted the degree of legal > exposure though and the reaction was predictable. > > I did develop on a machine running full drive encryption for about > nine months and I have to say that steady state performance was about > the only thing we didn't complain about. Our biggest problem was the > regularity with which the full drive encryption would fail, bricking > the machine as a result and taking a couple of working days to get > desktop support to get involved and run the decryption software. The > bricking rate was as high as 20% in the early days. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- Kevin Wright mail/google talk: kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com wave: kev.lee.wri...@googlewave.com skype: kev.lee.wright twitter: @thecoda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: IT policies of large corporations - what is normal?
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 14:45, Phil wrote: > [...] that the companies I worked for would > not invest in their employees because usually there was no immediate > benefit but there was a cost, and the discussion stopped there. Sorry, > bit of a thread hijack. Especially in crisis companies run for the quick money. But that strikes back. When companies search for an employee who sit in a cage and work for a banana, they should not wonder if all they find is an ape. Maybe we are getting slightly off-topic but the point is that such policies are invented and implemented with the appropriate state of mind. And I think there is a huge difference between encrypting harddrives or sticks and prohibiting IM and other stuff. The first makes sense, the latter not. > Personally I think there is a good case for having different network > zones with different levels of lockdown - trusted senior developers > could have more unfettered access than new juniors, I would differ between different level of user know-how and not by position. But the problem there is: How to measure? - Could be a short test sufficient? -- Martin Wildam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
[The Java Posse] Re: IT policies of large corporations - what is normal?
> > Encrypted harddrives? Sounds like a clueless exec paranoid about IP. > Almost no code IP is worth anything to an outsider. Seriously, who is > going to bother to try and figure out a competitor's code-base? > Sounds like a huge PITA to me. For a CFO/CEO, I can understand > wanting to have an encrypted HD. BTW, the overhead of encryption on a > dev machine is very high. > In 2007 there were a series of very embarassing, high profile data loss events in the UK: the Inland Revenue lost some unencrypted CDs with the tax and bank account details of over 10 million people. A contractor for the prison service lost a memory stick containing the personal details of prisoners due for release. A hard drive containing details of UK driving licence holders went missing in a data centre in the USA. As a result all the big consultancies accellerated their adoption of full drive encryption as a result, for all machines, as a way to mitigate against lost and stolen hardware. No, this wouldn't have prevented the first two events because people did not follow their employer's/customer's processes. It highlighted the degree of legal exposure though and the reaction was predictable. I did develop on a machine running full drive encryption for about nine months and I have to say that steady state performance was about the only thing we didn't complain about. Our biggest problem was the regularity with which the full drive encryption would fail, bricking the machine as a result and taking a couple of working days to get desktop support to get involved and run the decryption software. The bricking rate was as high as 20% in the early days. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
[The Java Posse] Re: IT policies of large corporations - what is normal?
On Mar 1, 3:40 pm, Viktor Klang wrote: > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Robert Casto wrote: > > Sure there's always a need for security, but the solution for most of it is > cultural, not technical. > Thus for a large organisation it becomes a training issue and a cost that senior management will not want to incur. My experience of large companies (dare I say especially American) is that any cost that does not contribute directly to the short-term bottom line is minimised or, if possible, avoided. My chief dislike, and my primary reason for returning to freelance work, was that the companies I worked for would not invest in their employees because usually there was no immediate benefit but there was a cost, and the discussion stopped there. Sorry, bit of a thread hijack. In summary, unlocking costs more than keeping things locked down - at least it looks that way to senior management and they won't take the time to dig deep enough to see if that is really true. Personally I think there is a good case for having different network zones with different levels of lockdown - trusted senior developers could have more unfettered access than new juniors, sales team would have different access capabilities to development, who have difference access capabilities to first line support, and so on. But that takes time and costs more... sigh. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
[The Java Posse] Re: IT policies of large corporations - what is normal?
On Mar 1, 2:45 pm, Kevin Wright wrote: > This is about developer access to machines, not corporate droids in general. > Computers and the internet are very much the tools of our trade, tools that > are blunted and crippled by these security policies. The real problem is > not the policies themselves, but their indiscriminate application. OK, I can accept that this is your point of view, but the original post was asking about the IT lockdown policies of large IT companies, not about how those lockdown policies affect developers specifically - or at least that was how I read it. In the big end-to-end consultancies, and in the verticals, developers might be the biggest group of people but certainly aren't the majority. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
