[JAWS-Users] Jaws and Winamp 5.541
Hi folks, I am using either jaws 8 or 9 on an XP-pro machine with Winamp 5.541, I think the build is 08/03/2008. Everything but the left-and-right foreword-and-rewind commands seem to work well. When I press the arrow keys the speech blanks out, jaws will echo some random number and when the speech returns it is exactly where it was prior to pressing the arrow keys. I would be willing to go to an earlier version of Winamp if it would fix this problem. Any help would be greatly appreciated. TNX Larry Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] Nod32, avast or AVG revisited
at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3651 (20081129) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3663 (20081204) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following
Re: [JAWS-Users] Nod32, avast or AVG revisited
from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3651 (20081129) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3663 (20081204) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind
[JAWS-Users] help with a web site, please
There are a few blind folks in this area but we are the only blind couple and the store we grocery shop in is dealing us a fit. They just recently upgraded there web site, so they think and it is no longer blind friendly. I can't even get to our local store or the store ads. The store is in Cleveland, Texas and the zip is 77327. Would you all take a look and see if there is any way I can use the site? Here is the link to the site. http://your.brookshirebrothers.com/ Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reading your Bible today will help prepare you for A Brighter Tomorrow! Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JAWS-Users] JAWS and Office 2007
I support several clients who are currently using JAWS V9 with Office 2003 and we will be upgrading them to Office 2007 soon. I'm interested in any feedback from anyone who has made this switch. Any specific issues that may need to be addressed, tips or tricks, anything at all. Mark Zalewski PC Team 661-8009 /prefont face=ArialThis e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information of Northwestern Mutual. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail and any attachments is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify Northwestern Mutual immediately by returning it to the sender and delete all copies from your system. Please be advised that communications received via the Northwestern Mutual Secure Message Center are secure. Communications that are not received via the Northwestern Mutual Secure Message Center may not be secure and could be observed by a third party. Thank you for your cooperation./fontpre Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] help with a web site, please
It appears, on my end at least, that the buttons are poorly labeled, if at all. The links are accessible, but the buttons are not. And, what's up with the search box? Thanks Nimer J Nimer M. Jaber The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender via reply e-mail, and delete the material from any computer. Website: http://www.empowertheblind.org Phone: (720) (251-4530) Stu wrote: There are a few blind folks in this area but we are the only blind couple and the store we grocery shop in is dealing us a fit. They just recently upgraded there web site, so they think and it is no longer blind friendly. I can't even get to our local store or the store ads. The store is in Cleveland, Texas and the zip is 77327. Would you all take a look and see if there is any way I can use the site? Here is the link to the site. http://your.brookshirebrothers.com/ Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reading your Bible today will help prepare you for A Brighter Tomorrow! Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] help with a web site, please
I don't get any results with the search box. Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reading your Bible today will help prepare you for A Brighter Tomorrow! - Original Message - From: Nimer To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] help with a web site, please It appears, on my end at least, that the buttons are poorly labeled, if at all. The links are accessible, but the buttons are not. And, what's up with the search box? Thanks Nimer J Nimer M. Jaber The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender via reply e-mail, and delete the material from any computer. Website: http://www.empowertheblind.org Phone: (720) (251-4530) Stu wrote: There are a few blind folks in this area but we are the only blind couple and the store we grocery shop in is dealing us a fit. They just recently upgraded there web site, so they think and it is no longer blind friendly. I can't even get to our local store or the store ads. The store is in Cleveland, Texas and the zip is 77327. Would you all take a look and see if there is any way I can use the site? Here is the link to the site. http://your.brookshirebrothers.com/ Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reading your Bible today will help prepare you for A Brighter Tomorrow! Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] help with a web site, please
Stu, have you contacted the store's headquarters? Not that it will help much, but you should tell them about that Target case that Target lost because of its inaccessible web site. I would be willing to write to the company on your behalf and, perhaps, others on this list would do so as well; strength in numbers? Tell them to look at the Kroger site; you can't order for delivery but at least you know what's on sale. marilyn Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS and Office 2007
Look in the training section of the freedom scientific website. there's a training book on jaws and office 2007. Aiden - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 4:11 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS and Office 2007 I support several clients who are currently using JAWS V9 with Office 2003 and we will be upgrading them to Office 2007 soon. I'm interested in any feedback from anyone who has made this switch. Any specific issues that may need to be addressed, tips or tricks, anything at all. Mark Zalewski PC Team 661-8009 /prefont face=ArialThis e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential information of Northwestern Mutual. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail and any attachments is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify Northwestern Mutual immediately by returning it to the sender and delete all copies from your system. Please be advised that communications received via the Northwestern Mutual Secure Message Center are secure. Communications that are not received via the Northwestern Mutual Secure Message Center may not be secure and could be observed by a third party. Thank you for your cooperation./fontpre Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] help with a web site, please
Hi Stu, I manage to get some things, but it is a wrestling match. I used the Invisible cursor which helped some. By clicking some of the buttons, I was able to get one of their videos. I also used the Jaws cursor, but it only helped some. When I arrowed across on some lines and encountered a space rather than a blank, it triggered some action. I wish to have been of more help, but it probably will take further experimentation. I wish you good luck, Roger - Original Message - From: Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 8:02 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] help with a web site, please There are a few blind folks in this area but we are the only blind couple and the store we grocery shop in is dealing us a fit. They just recently upgraded there web site, so they think and it is no longer blind friendly. I can't even get to our local store or the store ads. The store is in Cleveland, Texas and the zip is 77327. Would you all take a look and see if there is any way I can use the site? Here is the link to the site. http://your.brookshirebrothers.com/ Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reading your Bible today will help prepare you for A Brighter Tomorrow! Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] help with a web site, please
I just visited this web site, and unfortunately, it seems to contain a lot of graphics that are not accessible to JAWS. You should contact Brookshire Brothers customer service at 936-633-4774 and tactfully explain your situation. This web site was designed by a third-party, so management may not even be aware of its inaccessibility. When you call them, insist on speaking to a manager. If they give you a run-around, find out the name of their chief executive officer and write him directly. Don't expect results overnight. If all else fails, you can contact the NFB or ACB and see what advice or assistance they can offer. Also check whether another online grocer like Fresh Direct or Peapod is available in your area. - Original Message - From: Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:02 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] help with a web site, please There are a few blind folks in this area but we are the only blind couple and the store we grocery shop in is dealing us a fit. They just recently upgraded there web site, so they think and it is no longer blind friendly. I can't even get to our local store or the store ads. The store is in Cleveland, Texas and the zip is 77327. Would you all take a look and see if there is any way I can use the site? Here is the link to the site. http://your.brookshirebrothers.com/ Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reading your Bible today will help prepare you for A Brighter Tomorrow! Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JAWS-Users] RE Jaws and Office 2007
Mar,, I made the switch from Office 2000 to Office 2007 in January with JAWS 9, and recently upgraded to JAWS 10. I have found that JAWS 9 works very well with Office 2007, and JAWS 10 resolved a problem I had reading in Access. Perhaps the biggest issue in making the switch to Office 2007 is the change to ribbon menus. Please encourage your people that using Office 2007 is very doable. There is a learning curve with the change to ribbon menus. Many of the key strokes are the same as previous versions. Alt T, plus S, still puts you in the spell checker. Alt O, plus C still opens the columns menu window. Alt O, plus F still brings up the font window. I urge new users of Office 2007 to set aside some time to explore. Then, as they discover how to access the commands they need to use, prepare a cheat sheet to which they can go back to, until the commands are committed to memory. Blessings, Tom Find solutions for your business. Click here and get it done now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2USj5SAeDSt2ZKtCpM19S4q1Gu6fOZQPTC07NBrIiHTGXKW/ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] help with a web site, please
Yep, I called them, but sighted folks you know. But my wife, smarter than I am, found the solution and after she showed me, O well I should of worked harder. She wen to the home page of the site, went the store location and entered, brought up the edit field for a search and entered the zip code and enter and bingo up came the local store, arrow down to the weekly specials and entered and there were the store ads. Got to pat her on the back. Thanks a bunch for all of your help. Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reading your Bible today will help prepare you for A Brighter Tomorrow! - Original Message - From: Marilyn Walker To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] help with a web site, please Stu, have you contacted the store's headquarters? Not that it will help much, but you should tell them about that Target case that Target lost because of its inaccessible web site. I would be willing to write to the company on your behalf and, perhaps, others on this list would do so as well; strength in numbers? Tell them to look at the Kroger site; you can't order for delivery but at least you know what's on sale. marilyn Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JAWS-Users] Forms Mode in JAWS 10
My student has JAWS 10 at home, but I don't. How can she turn on and off the new auto-forms feature??? thanks much. Ann Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JAWS-Users] Upgrading to 2007
My advice is not to upgrade. Whilst it is possible obviously for Jaws 9 and 10 Users to move from 2003 to 2007 it is an awful lot of hassle for minuscule if any productivity gains. I hated the ribbon replacement for the menu system. Strategies that were instinctive and easy in 2003 suddenly became complicated. I have taken Office 2007 off my system and reinstalled 2003. As much was omitted from 2007 as was added. Many sighted friends have also concluded that they also do not consider 2007 an upgrade. It is interesting that on the last occasion I checked 2003 was costing more than 2007 on EBay reflecting I think the general market valuation of 2007. The 2007 file conversion utility allows file compatibility between 2003 and 2007. So personally if I was working in a workplace which compelled me to do a so called upgrade to 2007 I would be quite upset. Regards David Griffith Original Message I support several clients who are currently using JAWS V9 with Office 2003 and we will be upgrading them to Office 2007 soon. I'm interested in any feedback from anyone who has made this switch. Any specific issues that may need to be addressed, tips or tricks, anything at all. Mark Zalewski PC Team 661-8009 Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] Forms Mode in JAWS 10
INSERT V and go to Form Options, first item is the auto on or off Brad At 02:26 PM 12/4/2008, you wrote: My student has JAWS 10 at home, but I don't. How can she turn on and off the new auto-forms feature??? thanks much. Ann Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3664 (20081204) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] Forms Mode in JAWS 10
Just hit the PC key to turn it off and the space bar to turn it one. RJ - Original Message - From: Ann byrne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:26 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Forms Mode in JAWS 10 My student has JAWS 10 at home, but I don't. How can she turn on and off the new auto-forms feature??? thanks much. Ann Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JAWS-Users] RE Upgrading to Office 2007
If employees in a large organization like NML are being expected to switch to Office 2007, it begs the question to tell them not to upgrade. That is not a possibility, and telling them not to upgrade does them a disservice. I'm not an expert with Office, but with a relatively short learning curve, I've been able to make the switch over and do quite well with it. If you have a choice on your personal computer about whether to upgrade to Office 2007, and 2000 or 2003 are working well for you, I would advise that you don't spend the money. I don't see that 2007 offers any great advantages over the previous versions. But wen employees are going to have to adapt to changes in their companies, we on this list owe them the encouragement that it can be done, and it does not take super human effort, just a modest amout of time to learn the new methods. My office computer has Office 2007, and my home computer has Office 2000. I can switch back and forth between them and do the same tasks without difficulty. Blessings, Tom Stuck in a dead end job?? Click to start living your dreams by earning an online degree. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2kE63lwdz4L695799sVQBjLmu4umCLsbxzLyfkprXzpp2nM/ Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JAWS-Users] Beyond Surf's Up: Need tips for advanced real-world surfing
I am an experienced user, so I'm looking for tips more than perfect solutions. Do any of you others have this problem? Web pages seem to be getting less convenient. I'm not talking about inaccessible. You can read everything fine -- just inconvenient. Kind of like putting the wheelchair ramp out back with the dumpsters instead of near the building's front door. It used to be that when I googled for information, I'd find a variety of mailing list archives with interesting posts. Or I'd find pages that individuals created about that particular topic. But today, I tend instead to find wikis and web forums, and sites with so many ads that I have to read hundreds of lines of irrelevant data only to discover a single line of content, like no search results matched your query! In wikis, half the links you select go to a page, with the same pleuthora of links and the message: You have followed a link to a page that does not exist yet. If it doesn't exist, why do links take me there, anyway? I'd feel more charitable about contributing to a wiki, if they didn't insist on wasting my time! For another example, web forums will have more lines of text devoted to trivia about who the user is, how many times he's posted, and when he joined the forum and whether he's online, rather than what content his message contains. And often the post turns out to be something like I need the same information or That's a good idea. This is the sort of thing you might say on the phone to a friend, but wasting bandwidth posting it seems really nuts. Ad-supported sites don't seem to have any simple way to skip to the content directly. For a good example, just look at amazon.com. If they hadn't invented amazon.com/access, I would've stopped shopping at amazon a long time ago. But ten years ago, way before JAWS had quick keys, amazon was a pleasure to navigate with screen access! And it worked fine without any fancy virtual cursor! Web forums are a nightmare. Every forum page has a list of posting rules, thread tools and other clutter that I wish were in one place and not on every single page. I don't want to reply, change my font size or submit the post to digg -- I just want to READ the darned thing! I don't care if smileys are on, and how many cups of coffee the user had, I want to know what he has to say! Yet, other blind people are regularly accessing these things and not complaining, so what am I missing? For example, the Hadley School for the Blind and the AFB both have active web forums. There is a JAWS wiki, though the only thing I could actually find in it was a list of JAWS mailing lists. And many blind people put up blogs on sites full of advertising! And even with blind bloggers' sites, you have to skip past reams of the irrelevant! I am familiar with the quick keys for surfing of course. But they rarely work in this Brave New Web-world. On websites devoted to product reviews and downloads, using H or number keys to move between headings takes me to headings with words like recommended other categories and download only it's a link to download something I'm not interested in. Try the winamp page for example -- it's easy to download a trial version of the commercial product by mistake. On wikis, headings only appear if the user who edited that page added the appropriate HTML code. There are lots of links, visited and unvisited links and many promising other page elements you can quick-key around. But most of those wiki-links lead nowhere. It's like being in one of those text-adventure mazes! You are enticed by promises of cattegories, but how can you tell which lead to only empty pages? I had planned to contribute to the JAWS wiki but after spending fifteen minutes and finding nothing, I decided that a well-written contribution belonged elsewhere! And on web forums, it is rare to see a heading at all. In blogs, you see headings only if the blogger is a screen reader user, and even then not all the time. I guess some of the readers have more patience than I do. Typing N to navigate to the next non-link text, usually takes me to an ad. I can learn all about increasing my sex appeal or how to get a stuffed gorilla absolutely free, but it's not the way to learn about a particular product I'm researching. Often a page will have a full and fascinating product review, but I actually have to read the entire text to locate it. Typing M to go to the next frame is equally useless. It jumps between more ad frames and skips any content the page might contain. And that's a big might. It feels like I could read for hours before actually reading any real information. Sometimes I do. Sometimes I am surprised to find a large hunk of information nestled among the google ad frames and the invitations to create teknurati tags. But sometimes, all that web page structure is there, but content is not. I've tried lots of other quick keys too -- O for object elements, d for next different element,
Re: [JAWS-Users] Forms Mode in JAWS 10
Unless she changed it, the default is for it to be on when in an edit area. It also makes a sound to indicate it's on, and another when it is off. (These are defaults. they can be changed, in the Config manager.) - Original Message - From: Ann byrne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 8:26 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Forms Mode in JAWS 10 My student has JAWS 10 at home, but I don't. How can she turn on and off the new auto-forms feature??? thanks much. Ann Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] Beyond Surf's Up: Need tips for advanced real-worldsurfing
Be *very* specific in your search terms. That should whittle down the number of results. Use the JAWS Find command more often. Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] Beyond Surf's Up: Need tips for advanced real-worldsurfing
You're certainly not the only one who finds web surfing to be a challenge these days. Sometimes you can cut through the clutter with judicious use of the Find command. For instance, I often only wish to read the product reviews on Amazon.com without scrolling through the rest of the garbage on the page. So I type see all my reviews or just see all my into the Find dialog, and jump right to the first review. When I finish reading it, I hit F3 to jump to the next review and so on. On comparison shopping web sites like Bizrate and Pricegrabber, I type $ into the Find dialog to quickly scroll through all the bottom-line results. When I find the lowest price for a product, I can scroll up a few lines to find the merchant that's selling it. The trick is to find a recurring phrase or character combination that you can pop into the Find dialog to make it easier to skip over the extraneous content you're not interested in. This technique does not always work, of course, but it serves me well most of the time. - Original Message - From: Deborah Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Beyond Surf's Up: Need tips for advanced real-worldsurfing I am an experienced user, so I'm looking for tips more than perfect solutions. Do any of you others have this problem? Web pages seem to be getting less convenient. I'm not talking about inaccessible. You can read everything fine -- just inconvenient. Kind of like putting the wheelchair ramp out back with the dumpsters instead of near the building's front door. It used to be that when I googled for information, I'd find a variety of mailing list archives with interesting posts. Or I'd find pages that individuals created about that particular topic. But today, I tend instead to find wikis and web forums, and sites with so many ads that I have to read hundreds of lines of irrelevant data only to discover a single line of content, like no search results matched your query! In wikis, half the links you select go to a page, with the same pleuthora of links and the message: You have followed a link to a page that does not exist yet. If it doesn't exist, why do links take me there, anyway? I'd feel more charitable about contributing to a wiki, if they didn't insist on wasting my time! For another example, web forums will have more lines of text devoted to trivia about who the user is, how many times he's posted, and when he joined the forum and whether he's online, rather than what content his message contains. And often the post turns out to be something like I need the same information or That's a good idea. This is the sort of thing you might say on the phone to a friend, but wasting bandwidth posting it seems really nuts. Ad-supported sites don't seem to have any simple way to skip to the content directly. For a good example, just look at amazon.com. If they hadn't invented amazon.com/access, I would've stopped shopping at amazon a long time ago. But ten years ago, way before JAWS had quick keys, amazon was a pleasure to navigate with screen access! And it worked fine without any fancy virtual cursor! Web forums are a nightmare. Every forum page has a list of posting rules, thread tools and other clutter that I wish were in one place and not on every single page. I don't want to reply, change my font size or submit the post to digg -- I just want to READ the darned thing! I don't care if smileys are on, and how many cups of coffee the user had, I want to know what he has to say! Yet, other blind people are regularly accessing these things and not complaining, so what am I missing? For example, the Hadley School for the Blind and the AFB both have active web forums. There is a JAWS wiki, though the only thing I could actually find in it was a list of JAWS mailing lists. And many blind people put up blogs on sites full of advertising! And even with blind bloggers' sites, you have to skip past reams of the irrelevant! I am familiar with the quick keys for surfing of course. But they rarely work in this Brave New Web-world. On websites devoted to product reviews and downloads, using H or number keys to move between headings takes me to headings with words like recommended other categories and download only it's a link to download something I'm not interested in. Try the winamp page for example -- it's easy to download a trial version of the commercial product by mistake. On wikis, headings only appear if the user who edited that page added the appropriate HTML code. There are lots of links, visited and unvisited links and many promising other page elements you can quick-key around. But most of those wiki-links lead nowhere. It's like being in one of those text-adventure mazes! You are enticed by promises of cattegories, but how can you tell which lead to only empty pages? I had planned to contribute
Re: [JAWS-Users] Beyond Surf's Up: Need tips for advanced real-worldsurfing
Hi, I understand your frustration. To help clean-up the screen make sure that Inline frames are turned off, and maybe turn off flash content. More restrictive searches really can also help. I also find that a links list can speed up your web navigation especially with sites containing hundreds of links. My few words of help may not add very much, but I am on the same page with you. Roger - Original Message - From: Deborah Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:06 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Beyond Surf's Up: Need tips for advanced real-worldsurfing I am an experienced user, so I'm looking for tips more than perfect solutions. Do any of you others have this problem? Web pages seem to be getting less convenient. I'm not talking about inaccessible. You can read everything fine -- just inconvenient. Kind of like putting the wheelchair ramp out back with the dumpsters instead of near the building's front door. It used to be that when I googled for information, I'd find a variety of mailing list archives with interesting posts. Or I'd find pages that individuals created about that particular topic. But today, I tend instead to find wikis and web forums, and sites with so many ads that I have to read hundreds of lines of irrelevant data only to discover a single line of content, like no search results matched your query! In wikis, half the links you select go to a page, with the same pleuthora of links and the message: You have followed a link to a page that does not exist yet. If it doesn't exist, why do links take me there, anyway? I'd feel more charitable about contributing to a wiki, if they didn't insist on wasting my time! For another example, web forums will have more lines of text devoted to trivia about who the user is, how many times he's posted, and when he joined the forum and whether he's online, rather than what content his message contains. And often the post turns out to be something like I need the same information or That's a good idea. This is the sort of thing you might say on the phone to a friend, but wasting bandwidth posting it seems really nuts. Ad-supported sites don't seem to have any simple way to skip to the content directly. For a good example, just look at amazon.com. If they hadn't invented amazon.com/access, I would've stopped shopping at amazon a long time ago. But ten years ago, way before JAWS had quick keys, amazon was a pleasure to navigate with screen access! And it worked fine without any fancy virtual cursor! Web forums are a nightmare. Every forum page has a list of posting rules, thread tools and other clutter that I wish were in one place and not on every single page. I don't want to reply, change my font size or submit the post to digg -- I just want to READ the darned thing! I don't care if smileys are on, and how many cups of coffee the user had, I want to know what he has to say! Yet, other blind people are regularly accessing these things and not complaining, so what am I missing? For example, the Hadley School for the Blind and the AFB both have active web forums. There is a JAWS wiki, though the only thing I could actually find in it was a list of JAWS mailing lists. And many blind people put up blogs on sites full of advertising! And even with blind bloggers' sites, you have to skip past reams of the irrelevant! I am familiar with the quick keys for surfing of course. But they rarely work in this Brave New Web-world. On websites devoted to product reviews and downloads, using H or number keys to move between headings takes me to headings with words like recommended other categories and download only it's a link to download something I'm not interested in. Try the winamp page for example -- it's easy to download a trial version of the commercial product by mistake. On wikis, headings only appear if the user who edited that page added the appropriate HTML code. There are lots of links, visited and unvisited links and many promising other page elements you can quick-key around. But most of those wiki-links lead nowhere. It's like being in one of those text-adventure mazes! You are enticed by promises of cattegories, but how can you tell which lead to only empty pages? I had planned to contribute to the JAWS wiki but after spending fifteen minutes and finding nothing, I decided that a well-written contribution belonged elsewhere! And on web forums, it is rare to see a heading at all. In blogs, you see headings only if the blogger is a screen reader user, and even then not all the time. I guess some of the readers have more patience than I do. Typing N to navigate to the next non-link text, usually takes me to an ad. I can learn all about increasing my sex appeal or how to get a stuffed gorilla absolutely free, but it's not the way to learn about a particular product I'm researching. Often a page will have a full and
Re: [JAWS-Users] Beyond Surf's Up: Need tips for advanced real-worldsurfing
I agree with this tip about using control F. Works good when you do google searches as well. Just copy something they have as part of the description right below the search result if it is what your looking for and it'll get you right to the most relevant info. Other than that, I use the page down button either once or twice, depending on what webpage I'm on, and then peruse down by using the p key that moves you by paragraph. That usually works in helping me find things fairly quickly and navigating past the junk links. I always look for landmarks on pages that can help me get my barings the next time I'm on the website. A combo box on a webpage might be completely irrelevant to you until you realize its one paragraph away from where text usually is shown. Then you realize that if you Hit the letter C and then P, (combo box and paragraph keys respectively), then you can get to where your going much faster. Like I siad, some of these strategies become pretty intuitive because despite the clutter, many webpages have very similar clutter patterns and you just begin to get a feel for what clutter is typically where, or what the clutter you find means in terms of the page as a whole. Its hard to describe or explain aside from calling it intuition. Be patient with yourself, you will get the hang of it. Kate Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 19:25:25 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Beyond Surf's Up: Need tips for advanced real-worldsurfing You're certainly not the only one who finds web surfing to be a challenge these days. Sometimes you can cut through the clutter with judicious use of the Find command. For instance, I often only wish to read the product reviews on Amazon.com without scrolling through the rest of the garbage on the page. So I type see all my reviews or just see all my into the Find dialog, and jump right to the first review. When I finish reading it, I hit F3 to jump to the next review and so on. On comparison shopping web sites like Bizrate and Pricegrabber, I type $ into the Find dialog to quickly scroll through all the bottom-line results. When I find the lowest price for a product, I can scroll up a few lines to find the merchant that's selling it. The trick is to find a recurring phrase or character combination that you can pop into the Find dialog to make it easier to skip over the extraneous content you're not interested in. This technique does not always work, of course, but it serves me well most of the time.- Original Message - From: Deborah Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Beyond Surf's Up: Need tips for advanced real-worldsurfing I am an experienced user, so I'm looking for tips more than perfect solutions. Do any of you others have this problem? Web pages seem to be getting less convenient. I'm not talking about inaccessible. You can read everything fine -- just inconvenient. Kind of like putting the wheelchair ramp out back with the dumpsters instead of near the building's front door. It used to be that when I googled for information, I'd find a variety of mailing list archives with interesting posts. Or I'd find pages that individuals created about that particular topic. But today, I tend instead to find wikis and web forums, and sites with so many ads that I have to read hundreds of lines of irrelevant data only to discover a single line of content, like no search results matched your query! In wikis, half the links you select go to a page, with the same pleuthora of links and the message: You have followed a link to a page that does not exist yet. If it doesn't exist, why do links take me there, anyway? I'd feel more charitable about contributing to a wiki, if they didn't insist on wasting my time! For another example, web forums will have more lines of text devoted to trivia about who the user is, how many times he's posted, and when he joined the forum and whether he's online, rather than what content his message contains. And often the post turns out to be something like I need the same information or That's a good idea. This is the sort of thing you might say on the phone to a friend, but wasting bandwidth posting it seems really nuts. Ad-supported sites don't seem to have any simple way to skip to the content directly. For a good example, just look at amazon.com. If they hadn't invented amazon.com/access, I would've stopped shopping at amazon a long time ago. But ten years ago, way before JAWS had quick keys, amazon was a pleasure to navigate with screen access! And it worked fine without any fancy virtual cursor! Web forums are a nightmare. Every forum page has a list of posting rules, thread tools and other clutter that I wish were in one place and not on every
Re: [JAWS-Users] Beyond Surf's Up: Need tips for advanced real-worldsurfing
Hi, could you tell me how to turn off flash? I like to have it for websites like youtube but I have to say it can become somewhat of a nuisence otherwise. I'd like to know how to control it better. Thanks, Kate From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:36:54 -0800 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Beyond Surf's Up: Need tips for advanced real-worldsurfing Hi, I understand your frustration. To help clean-up the screen make sure that Inline frames are turned off, and maybe turn off flash content. More restrictive searches really can also help. I also find that a links list can speed up your web navigation especially with sites containing hundreds of links. My few words of help may not add very much, but I am on the same page with you. Roger - Original Message - From: Deborah Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:06 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Beyond Surf's Up: Need tips for advanced real-worldsurfing I am an experienced user, so I'm looking for tips more than perfect solutions. Do any of you others have this problem? Web pages seem to be getting less convenient. I'm not talking about inaccessible. You can read everything fine -- just inconvenient. Kind of like putting the wheelchair ramp out back with the dumpsters instead of near the building's front door. It used to be that when I googled for information, I'd find a variety of mailing list archives with interesting posts. Or I'd find pages that individuals created about that particular topic. But today, I tend instead to find wikis and web forums, and sites with so many ads that I have to read hundreds of lines of irrelevant data only to discover a single line of content, like no search results matched your query! In wikis, half the links you select go to a page, with the same pleuthora of links and the message: You have followed a link to a page that does not exist yet. If it doesn't exist, why do links take me there, anyway? I'd feel more charitable about contributing to a wiki, if they didn't insist on wasting my time! For another example, web forums will have more lines of text devoted to trivia about who the user is, how many times he's posted, and when he joined the forum and whether he's online, rather than what content his message contains. And often the post turns out to be something like I need the same information or That's a good idea. This is the sort of thing you might say on the phone to a friend, but wasting bandwidth posting it seems really nuts. Ad-supported sites don't seem to have any simple way to skip to the content directly. For a good example, just look at amazon.com. If they hadn't invented amazon.com/access, I would've stopped shopping at amazon a long time ago. But ten years ago, way before JAWS had quick keys, amazon was a pleasure to navigate with screen access! And it worked fine without any fancy virtual cursor! Web forums are a nightmare. Every forum page has a list of posting rules, thread tools and other clutter that I wish were in one place and not on every single page. I don't want to reply, change my font size or submit the post to digg -- I just want to READ the darned thing! I don't care if smileys are on, and how many cups of coffee the user had, I want to know what he has to say! Yet, other blind people are regularly accessing these things and not complaining, so what am I missing? For example, the Hadley School for the Blind and the AFB both have active web forums. There is a JAWS wiki, though the only thing I could actually find in it was a list of JAWS mailing lists. And many blind people put up blogs on sites full of advertising! And even with blind bloggers' sites, you have to skip past reams of the irrelevant! I am familiar with the quick keys for surfing of course. But they rarely work in this Brave New Web-world. On websites devoted to product reviews and downloads, using H or number keys to move between headings takes me to headings with words like recommended other categories and download only it's a link to download something I'm not interested in. Try the winamp page for example -- it's easy to download a trial version of the commercial product by mistake. On wikis, headings only appear if the user who edited that page added the appropriate HTML code. There are lots of links, visited and unvisited links and many promising other page elements you can quick-key around. But most of those wiki-links lead nowhere. It's like being in one of those text-adventure mazes! You are enticed by promises of cattegories, but how can you tell which lead to only empty pages? I had planned to contribute to the JAWS wiki but after spending fifteen minutes and finding nothing, I decided that a well-written contribution belonged
[JAWS-Users] Msn Messenger
Hi. a newbie and got msn messenger. how, do i add a contact? and also, tried to send my sister a sms, but could not seem to do that, as i had a contact already, and would not let me change to a new contact. can any one help? cheers Marvin. ps: also any other tips for how to use msn messenger with jaws 10 would be fine. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: startrekcafe We Are The Borg! You Will Be Assimilated! Resistance Is Futile! Star Trek Voyager Episode 68 Scorpian Part One Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JAWS-Users] Using TeraTerm (a solution)
Since I just posted a long ranting request for help, I figured I better balance that with a nice long solution-oriented write-up. I saw this question on various screen access lists. People want to know which terminal emulator works best with JAWS, or how to access some Unix-Linux-BSD with JFW or simply how to use a terminal program in Windows with screen access. I feel particularly sorry for the blind student who is trying to take some sort of Unix course, and not only has to figure out this new OS but needs to figure out how to access it while simultaneously using the college's Windows computers. Usually the access technology specialists don't have a clue, or the information on the net is incomplete, outdated and/or inaccurate. I run several Linux machines, and am fortunate enough to have access to many old computers which need terminals to talk to them. I have researched this a lot, and have tried many telnet clients, hyperterminal, secure CRT, Kermit for Windows and Putty. By far, my favorite application for accessing remote computers with JAWS is TeraTerm. First, grab yourself a copy of the latest UTF-8 TeraTerm Pro 4.60. Many older versions are floating around, but I guarantee that 4.60 works great with JAWS. I've used versions 5-10 of JFW with 4.x versions of TeraTerm. The TeraTerm site is: http://ttssh2.sourceforge.jp/ http://ttssh2.sourceforge.jp/ other urls you might encounter contain dated versions. Install the program and say No to all the extra little tray applets. They don't do any harm but who wants resource hogs that aren't needed. If you get one by mistake, standard techniques, like using msconfig can make it go bye-bye. If you do accept all the defaults, the install will add these unwanted extras. They keep unnecessary windows open but will not adversely affect your computer's accessibility. Next, if you have JAWS, a version later than 5,and you want TeraTerm to automatically speak while text scrolls (like a console window) create this script: Include HJConst.jsh Void Function SayNonHighlightedText (handle hwnd, string buffer) var string TheClass let TheClass=GetWindowClass(hWnd) If GetScreenEcho () ECHO_NONE TheClass == VTWin32 Then Say (buffer, OT_NONHIGHLIGHTED_SCREEN_TEXT); endif EndFunction this script should be specific to TeraTerm, it should be called ttermpro.jss and you should *NOT* put this code in the default script. If this is all Greek to you don't worry. You can skip this scripting step and TeraTerm will still work fine with JFW. Without the script, you will need to use your JAWS cursor or virtualize the window, or a Braille display to read incoming data. At work I use Braille and the JAWS cursor; at home, I use the script. Both techniques work, and I switch between them each day. You will find several, far more elaborate TeraTerm scripts out there. You don't need them. Many were for older versions of Tera Term, and older versions of JAWS. One old script disables my semicolon key, and another of these outdated scripts makes my Braille display constantly jump around. A script very similar to mine above was originally on the blog of Saqib Shaikh, which seems to be no longer on the net. I'd like to give him credit for the idea, and I only plagiarize because I can't find his blog to link you to it. Anyway, this code is simply what gets executed in a Win32 console window (what used to be called a DOS box) when the user chooses to have highlighted text spoken but actually wants to have new text read as it comes onscreen. It's stolen from part of the JAWS default script. But in the default script, the code executes only for console windows, not for the TeraTerm window. The situation for a terminal user is similar to a DOS box user; they don't actually want highlighted text, they want all new text, but not to hear old text read more than once. In other words, when the text scrolls, causing new text to be written and old text to be rewritten as part of the scroll operation, the JAWS user wants to only hear anything new, and not a repeat of the old text. For DOS screen access, this was easy. These programs simply read video memory when users were not working with scrolling applications. When they were, the DOS screen reader filtered calls to the PC BIOS. The BIOS handled the scrolling and the screen access program never saw the old text again. so the user never heard old text repeated. In DOS, the screen reader watched the text that was sent to the BIOS screen services, so it knew about everything sent to the screen through the BIOS. Video memory only had to be consulted if a program wrote directly to the screen. Because DOS terminal programs usually had the BIOS handle their scrolling, they for the most part worked great with screen access. Anyway, with Windows, lots of behind-the-scenes magic goes in to building the off-screen model: the screen reader's best guess about
Re: [JAWS-Users] Beyond Surf's Up: Need tips foradvanced real-worldsurfing
Hi Kate, You can turn off (ignore) Flash in configuration manager:html options:misc tab: check the ignore flash check box. Roger - Original Message - From: Kate [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Beyond Surf's Up: Need tips foradvanced real-worldsurfing Hi, could you tell me how to turn off flash? I like to have it for websites like youtube but I have to say it can become somewhat of a nuisence otherwise. I'd like to know how to control it better. Thanks, Kate From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:36:54 -0800 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Beyond Surf's Up: Need tips for advanced real-worldsurfing Hi, I understand your frustration. To help clean-up the screen make sure that Inline frames are turned off, and maybe turn off flash content. More restrictive searches really can also help. I also find that a links list can speed up your web navigation especially with sites containing hundreds of links. My few words of help may not add very much, but I am on the same page with you. Roger - Original Message - From: Deborah Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:06 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Beyond Surf's Up: Need tips for advanced real-worldsurfing I am an experienced user, so I'm looking for tips more than perfect solutions. Do any of you others have this problem? Web pages seem to be getting less convenient. I'm not talking about inaccessible. You can read everything fine -- just inconvenient. Kind of like putting the wheelchair ramp out back with the dumpsters instead of near the building's front door. It used to be that when I googled for information, I'd find a variety of mailing list archives with interesting posts. Or I'd find pages that individuals created about that particular topic. But today, I tend instead to find wikis and web forums, and sites with so many ads that I have to read hundreds of lines of irrelevant data only to discover a single line of content, like no search results matched your query! In wikis, half the links you select go to a page, with the same pleuthora of links and the message: You have followed a link to a page that does not exist yet. If it doesn't exist, why do links take me there, anyway? I'd feel more charitable about contributing to a wiki, if they didn't insist on wasting my time! For another example, web forums will have more lines of text devoted to trivia about who the user is, how many times he's posted, and when he joined the forum and whether he's online, rather than what content his message contains. And often the post turns out to be something like I need the same information or That's a good idea. This is the sort of thing you might say on the phone to a friend, but wasting bandwidth posting it seems really nuts. Ad-supported sites don't seem to have any simple way to skip to the content directly. For a good example, just look at amazon.com. If they hadn't invented amazon.com/access, I would've stopped shopping at amazon a long time ago. But ten years ago, way before JAWS had quick keys, amazon was a pleasure to navigate with screen access! And it worked fine without any fancy virtual cursor! Web forums are a nightmare. Every forum page has a list of posting rules, thread tools and other clutter that I wish were in one place and not on every single page. I don't want to reply, change my font size or submit the post to digg -- I just want to READ the darned thing! I don't care if smileys are on, and how many cups of coffee the user had, I want to know what he has to say! Yet, other blind people are regularly accessing these things and not complaining, so what am I missing? For example, the Hadley School for the Blind and the AFB both have active web forums. There is a JAWS wiki, though the only thing I could actually find in it was a list of JAWS mailing lists. And many blind people put up blogs on sites full of advertising! And even with blind bloggers' sites, you have to skip past reams of the irrelevant! I am familiar with the quick keys for surfing of course. But they rarely work in this Brave New Web-world. On websites devoted to product reviews and downloads, using H or number keys to move between headings takes me to headings with words like recommended other categories and download only it's a link to download something I'm not interested in. Try the winamp page for example -- it's easy to download a trial version of the commercial product by mistake. On wikis, headings only appear if the user who edited that page added the appropriate HTML code. There are lots of links, visited and unvisited links and many promising other page elements you can quick-key
Re: [JAWS-Users] Beyond Surf's Up: Need tips for advanced real-worldsurfing
I think everyone here has had these difficulties from time to time. Especially on websites they are not familiar with or when they are not sure of exact words to search for on the page. Additionally, I would urge people to send feedback to web developers that create pages with a lot of clutter and no structure. I wish I knew a good resource or guidelines to direct the developer to provide constructive, consistent suggestions. Does anyone know of simple guidelines out there? Perhaps this is not easy, since most web developers are trying to create something unique and creative to attract visitors. By the way, I applaud Amazon. I think their site now has much better structure than it used to have. For instance on their product description pages, they now use headings, like H1 for the beginning of that item. Still not perfect, but better. Don Marang - Original Message - From: Deborah Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Beyond Surf's Up: Need tips for advanced real-worldsurfing I am an experienced user, so I'm looking for tips more than perfect solutions. Do any of you others have this problem? Web pages seem to be getting less convenient. I'm not talking about inaccessible. You can read everything fine -- just inconvenient. Kind of like putting the wheelchair ramp out back with the dumpsters instead of near the building's front door. It used to be that when I googled for information, I'd find a variety of mailing list archives with interesting posts. Or I'd find pages that individuals created about that particular topic. But today, I tend instead to find wikis and web forums, and sites with so many ads that I have to read hundreds of lines of irrelevant data only to discover a single line of content, like no search results matched your query! In wikis, half the links you select go to a page, with the same pleuthora of links and the message: You have followed a link to a page that does not exist yet. If it doesn't exist, why do links take me there, anyway? I'd feel more charitable about contributing to a wiki, if they didn't insist on wasting my time! For another example, web forums will have more lines of text devoted to trivia about who the user is, how many times he's posted, and when he joined the forum and whether he's online, rather than what content his message contains. And often the post turns out to be something like I need the same information or That's a good idea. This is the sort of thing you might say on the phone to a friend, but wasting bandwidth posting it seems really nuts. Ad-supported sites don't seem to have any simple way to skip to the content directly. For a good example, just look at amazon.com. If they hadn't invented amazon.com/access, I would've stopped shopping at amazon a long time ago. But ten years ago, way before JAWS had quick keys, amazon was a pleasure to navigate with screen access! And it worked fine without any fancy virtual cursor! Web forums are a nightmare. Every forum page has a list of posting rules, thread tools and other clutter that I wish were in one place and not on every single page. I don't want to reply, change my font size or submit the post to digg -- I just want to READ the darned thing! I don't care if smileys are on, and how many cups of coffee the user had, I want to know what he has to say! Yet, other blind people are regularly accessing these things and not complaining, so what am I missing? For example, the Hadley School for the Blind and the AFB both have active web forums. There is a JAWS wiki, though the only thing I could actually find in it was a list of JAWS mailing lists. And many blind people put up blogs on sites full of advertising! And even with blind bloggers' sites, you have to skip past reams of the irrelevant! I am familiar with the quick keys for surfing of course. But they rarely work in this Brave New Web-world. On websites devoted to product reviews and downloads, using H or number keys to move between headings takes me to headings with words like recommended other categories and download only it's a link to download something I'm not interested in. Try the winamp page for example -- it's easy to download a trial version of the commercial product by mistake. On wikis, headings only appear if the user who edited that page added the appropriate HTML code. There are lots of links, visited and unvisited links and many promising other page elements you can quick-key around. But most of those wiki-links lead nowhere. It's like being in one of those text-adventure mazes! You are enticed by promises of cattegories, but how can you tell which lead to only empty pages? I had planned to contribute to the JAWS wiki but after spending fifteen minutes and finding nothing, I decided that a well-written contribution belonged elsewhere! And on web forums, it
