date:20090918

It could be me but I'm not finding JAWS 11 beta 2 sluggish on Windows 7.



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[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Alan  Terrie
Robbins
Sent: 18 September 2009 11:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] slight sluggishness with jfw 11?

This is good feedback for the group to know and hopefully you folks have
apprised FS of this on a beta report form?

Al

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Hello

I also experience this problem with windows 7 also. I'm also experiencing
longer startup times for jaws 11 beta 2 than in jaws 10. This is a freshly
installed version of win7 with no anti-virus whatsoever. Also, I also
experience the sluggishness response times especially in outlook  ie with
webpages that have many links.

Cheers
Dickson

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Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] slight sluggishness with jfw 11?

 I agree, especially with Windows 7, sometimes all of a sudden Jaws
 responds pretty late for no reason.

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 Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:06 PM
 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
 Subject: [JAWS-Users] slight sluggishness with jfw 11?

 Hello list,

 Just wondering if anyone else has noticed a slight sluggishness when
 using jaws 11 as opposed to jfw 10?

 I've been switching back and forth between both versions since
 somethings like firefox and outlook I'm finding work better with 10.0
 and when I'm using 11, it's as though there's a little hesitation
 with the reading commands. Especially in IE8 and in any sort of word
 processing app. I'm usually running between 23 and 31 processes at
 any given time with both versions. I'm running xp pro and office
 2003. Nothing out of the ordinary.

 It's nothing drastic, but enough to be noticeable.

 I'm just curious if it may just be me.

 Thanks,
 Cristobal


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Re: [JAWS-Users] I just installed zone alarm and it's driving me nuts!

I don't think I'll bother at all. I reinstalled Windows 7 this morning due
to mick problems, and I don't wish to have something screw up my JAWS right
now.



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[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Randy Tijerina
Sent: 18 September 2009 3:58 AM
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Subject: [JAWS-Users] I just installed zone alarm and it's driving me nuts!

Friends, I don't know what the trouble is, but I installed zone alarm.
the free version, by the way.
I couldn't even get narrator to work because of this ideotic thing.
Now unless I still need to permit jaws to wirk I have to punch something
with my tab key hoping it's remember this setting and then the allow.
I'm not as lucky as others are to have computer savvy folks to help me.
any help is appreciated.
I may just go back to kirio.



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[JAWS-Users] Jaws 10 reading of links in Outlook express messages

2009-09-18 Thread Paul Magill

Hi all,

I am using Outlook Express as my email client.

I have just changed up to Jaws 10 from version 8, and have found that email 
addresses in posts now read as links, saying link, followed by the address 
in a different voice.

How can I get this back to reading the whole text in messages in the same 
voice, the way version 8 did it?

With thanks in advance.

Regards,
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Re: [JAWS-Users] I just installed zone alarm and it's driving me nuts!

2009-09-18 Thread Randy Tijerina

I agree with you. I may just as well go back to kerio. or however you 
spell it.

I saw a good version on the former jfwlite page, I think.


Chris Hallsworth wrote:

I don't think I'll bother at all. I reinstalled Windows 7 this morning due
to mick problems, and I don't wish to have something screw up my JAWS right
now.



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Sent: 18 September 2009 3:58 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] I just installed zone alarm and it's driving me nuts!

Friends, I don't know what the trouble is, but I installed zone alarm.
the free version, by the way.
I couldn't even get narrator to work because of this ideotic thing.
Now unless I still need to permit jaws to wirk I have to punch something
with my tab key hoping it's remember this setting and then the allow.
I'm not as lucky as others are to have computer savvy folks to help me.
any help is appreciated.
I may just go back to kirio.



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Re: [JAWS-Users] BAsic training files for jaws beta available.

I know this is speculation, but does this indicate that JAWS 11 is nearly
ready for release?



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[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy Podsim
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Subject: [JAWS-Users] BAsic training files for jaws beta available.

The basic training files for JAWS beta 2 are available as an update if you
run the jaws update feature.

Of course it says it's jaws basic training 1 2 and 3 but when you install it
it says it installed basic training 1 2 and 4.

Just thought I'd let everybody know encase you want them.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] I just installed zone alarm and it's driving me nuts!

2009-09-18 Thread Lennie Rinaldi


Randy,

What kind of problems are you having? Admittedly, ZoneAlarm is 
difficult for blind users and jaws, but I managed to do just enough 
to get it working for me.


One thing that I found is that you must use the Jaws cursor to 
navigate the page that comes up after the installation. In order to 
close the page, I placed the Jaws cursor on the close symbol, but I 
cannot use the left mouse on the numPad key to close it. Instead, 
while on the close symbol, I hit the left mouse button on the mouse 
itself to make it work.


Also, as I mentioned to Chris, I had the initial problem allowing 
Jaws to access the Internet when there is no speech. I did get around 
it with NVDA to check the check box to remember my setting and enter on allow.


Can you be more specific what problems you are having? Once I have 
ZoneAlarm up and running, it pretty much does its job for me.


Are you in the USA? If so, maybe I can contact you to give you 
further help? Write me at merlin...@mchsi.com

off list if you are and we will go from there.

Lennie

At 10:57 PM 9/17/2009, you wrote:
Friends, I don't know what the trouble is, but I installed zone 
alarm. the free version, by the way.

I couldn't even get narrator to work because of this ideotic thing.
Now unless I still need to permit jaws to wirk I have to punch 
something with my tab key hoping it's remember this setting and then the allow.

I'm not as lucky as others are to have computer savvy folks to help me.
any help is appreciated.
I may just go back to kirio.



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Re: [JAWS-Users] how to shutdown vista

2009-09-18 Thread Jimmy Podsim


Ok, here's 2 ways to do it.

1.  Hit your start button and tab twice.  arrow right twice and then arrow 
up or down until you find the choice you want.  Usually shutdown on mine is 
the first choice.


2.  Hit windows m to get to the desktop. do alt f4 and then make your 
choice.



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Subject: [JAWS-Users] how to shutdown vista


I am using jaws with vista, and need to know if there is a short cut key 
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Re: [JAWS-Users] how to shutdown vista

2009-09-18 Thread Jimmy Podsim

Ok, now I know 3 ways to shut down vista.  Oh,  Also if you are using a 
laptop,  you can set the computer to where all you have to do is shut the 
top and windows will shut down properly.

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Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] how to shutdown vista

Press the Windows key and then press the right arrow three times, then 
press Enter!  I know the layout is strange.  Before you hit the Enter key 
you are in a menu that has other options as well, such as Log off, sleep, 
...  I Normally arrow up twice here to Restart.

Don Marang

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Subject: [JAWS-Users] how to shutdown vista

I am using jaws with vista, and need to know if there is a short cut key 
for jaws or something to shut it down. Thanks.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] how to shutdown vista

2009-09-18 Thread Jimmy Podsim

Darn, forgot about this one too.

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Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] how to shutdown vista

Use control alt delete, and tab over to shut down.  Then press enter. 
Arrow

down to either shut down or restart or to your option.
Also, press control alt delete, and just tab over until you hear shut down
then press enter.

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I am using jaws with vista, and need to know if there is a short cut key 
for

jaws or something to shut it down. Thanks.
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[JAWS-Users] Zone alarm question


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Re: [JAWS-Users] how to shutdown vista

I thought those were neat. I have always done the windows/arrow three times 
to shut dodown route but I think I will use the CTRL alt delete key.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] slight sluggishness with jfw 11?

2009-09-18 Thread Becky B

I wonder how much of this sluggish problem is actually due to the focus 
problem.  In OE it usually reads messages ok, but too frequently  when you 
delete a message it doesn't start reading the next message automatically.  I 
do not have this problem with JFW 10.  I think something has to be done 
about the focus problem.  Although 11 has some nice features, I'm not sure 
it is worth the annoying focus problem to use it.  I find myself going back 
to 10.  And yes, I have filled out the FS form.

Becky

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Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] slight sluggishness with jfw 11?


Yes, it's not one specific thing per say, but just a general slowness when
trying to read something or navigating around a page and so on. Going up and
down the list box of e-mails messages in outlook 2003, pages with lots of
links in IE etc. JFW 10 just feels snappier and over all more responsive.
That's why I thought I'd ask around first to get an idea if it just might be
my machine and set up.

Cristobal

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[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Soner Çoban
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 8:59 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] slight sluggishness with jfw 11?

I agree, especially with Windows 7, sometimes all of a sudden Jaws responds
pretty late for no reason.

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From: CrisMunoz54 crismuno...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] slight sluggishness with jfw 11?

 Hello list,

 Just wondering if anyone else has noticed a slight sluggishness when using
 jaws 11 as opposed to jfw 10?

 I've been switching back and forth between both versions since somethings
 like firefox and outlook I'm finding work better with 10.0 and when I'm
 using 11, it's as though there's a little hesitation with the reading
 commands. Especially in IE8 and in any sort of word processing app. I'm
 usually running between 23 and 31 processes at any given time with both
 versions. I'm running xp pro and office 2003. Nothing out of the ordinary.

 It's nothing drastic, but enough to be noticeable.

 I'm just curious if it may just be me.

 Thanks,
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Re: [JAWS-Users] how to shutdown vista

2009-09-18 Thread david

hello;

here's another way you can perform the shutdown task.



give these steps a try.

Shortcuts for shutting/restarting windows.
this works for windows XP, and Vista.

You can create a shortcut icon, you can assign a keystroke that will
shutdown windows.

1. Minimize to your desktop and press f5 to unselect any item on your
desktop.

2. Press the applications key and enter on new.

3. Enter on shortcut.
you should see this screen;
Create Shortcut
Create Shortcut
What item would you like to create a shortcut for?
This wizard helps you to create shortcuts to local or network programs,
files, folders, computers, or
Internet addresses.
Type the location of the item:
Browse...
Click Next to continue.
Next Cancel
4. Type in SHUTDOWN -s -t 01 without the quotation marks
5. Click NEXT.

6. Now type in a name for your shortcut.
The default name will be,shutdown.exe
You can name it anything you want then click finish.

You will now see a new
icon on your desktop with the name you gave it.

7. Press alt enter on the icon and give it a shortcut keystroke.
When you want to shut down
your computer just press your hot-key.
or you can just press enter on the icon to perform the shutdown task.

If you would like to create a shortcut for restarting your computer, use
the same steps above, Just replace the first S with a R.

SHUTDOWN -r -t 01


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Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] how to shutdown vista


I thought those were neat. I have always done the windows/arrow three times
to shut dodown route but I think I will use the CTRL alt delete key.
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[JAWS-Users] live messenger being difficult - Yahoo being stupid - Switching to Miranda

2009-09-18 Thread JennyK

I see no reason why Yahoo wouldn't work with 11 but I never really tried it. 
In  10 I found it quirky and unstable, connection problems, lots of little 
things that just bugd the  out of me. And that was before the messages 
started to have delays of more than five seconds before they were spoken. So 
I downloaded Miranda.
It works like a charm. I love it already. With a little bit of tweaking and 
adding a number of words in the dictionary I find it runs very smooth.
What it doesn't do is speak the smileys. If I go into the histry it's there, 
let's say a winking smiley ;)
Even if I have added that to the dictionary, it won't speak it when the 
message is spoken.
I can live without it as I send smileys and they can see them just fine. 
I'm just wondering if anyone is using Miranda here and has anything to add.


Downloaded Miranda from  the jaws-users page, under programs, as well as the 
scripts from the script page.


Jen




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Re: [JAWS-Users] Zone alarm question

Wikipedia - zone alarm
ZoneAlarm is a software firewall originally developed by Zone Labs, which
was acquired in March 2004 by Check Point. It includes an inbound intrusion
detection
system, as well as the ability to control which programs can create outbound
connections-the latter not available in the Windows XP Service Pack 2
firewall.
As of August 2009, the newest release is ZoneAlarm Extreme Security 2010.
ZoneAlarm was formerly known as Zone Labs, the usage of which is declining.


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Subject: [JAWS-Users] Zone alarm question

Hello; Listers, What is zone alarm and where do you download it?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] how to shutdown vista


David,
When it says type in the location for the item what do I put?
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Where can I download it?
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Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Zone alarm question



Wikipedia - zone alarm
ZoneAlarm is a software firewall originally developed by Zone 

Labs, which
was acquired in March 2004 by Check Point.  It includes an 

inbound intrusion

detection
system, as well as the ability to control which programs can 

create outbound
connections-the latter not available in the Windows XP Service 

Pack 2

firewall.
As of August 2009, the newest release is ZoneAlarm Extreme 

Security 2010.
ZoneAlarm was formerly known as Zone Labs, the usage of which is 

declining.



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Lomeli

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Subject: [JAWS-Users] Zone alarm question



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Zone alarm question

www.zonelabs.com.



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Where can I download it?
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Date sent: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:31:16 +0100
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Zone alarm question

Wikipedia - zone alarm
ZoneAlarm is a software firewall originally developed by Zone
Labs, which
was acquired in March 2004 by Check Point.  It includes an
inbound intrusion
detection
system, as well as the ability to control which programs can
create outbound
connections-the latter not available in the Windows XP Service
Pack 2
firewall.
As of August 2009, the newest release is ZoneAlarm Extreme
Security 2010.
ZoneAlarm was formerly known as Zone Labs, the usage of which is
declining.


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Subject: [JAWS-Users] Zone alarm question

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[JAWS-Users] text selection mode

I have a question concerning text selection mode in word. 

If memory serves me correctly, when pressing the function key eight, it 
will take you into text selection mode and you can select word, sentence, 
paragraph or document.

So, my question are as follows.

  1.. In order to use this am I needing to have it set at printview? (or 
does that matter) 
  2.. Does the sentence need to have periods or some sort of punctuation?
I asked this because I was at another computer today, I believe it was an 
IBM laptop and when I did function key eight, it said, word, paragraph and 
document.
How come there wasn't an option for sentence?

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Zone alarm question

Hey do I need any scripts for JAWS? How do I set it up? Is this 
also an Anti Virus?

Jose Lomeli
Email: joselom...@pghmail.com
Website:
http://All4Webs.com/q/2/jlomeli9393
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To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Date sent: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:52:00 +0100
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Zone alarm question



www.zonelabs.com.





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Lomeli

Sent: 18 September 2009 8:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Zone alarm question



Where can I download it?
Jose Lomeli
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Website:
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To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Date sent: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:31:16 +0100
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Zone alarm question



Wikipedia - zone alarm
ZoneAlarm is a software firewall originally developed by Zone

Labs, which

was acquired in March 2004 by Check Point.  It includes an

inbound intrusion

detection
system, as well as the ability to control which programs can

create outbound

connections-the latter not available in the Windows XP Service

Pack 2

firewall.
As of August 2009, the newest release is ZoneAlarm Extreme

Security 2010.

ZoneAlarm was formerly known as Zone Labs, the usage of which is

declining.




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Lomeli

Sent: 18 September 2009 5:04 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Zone alarm question



Hello; Listers, What is zone alarm and where do you download it?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] how to shutdown vista

Ok, I did all of what you wrote david but my keystrokes for the shortcuts 
are not working?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Zone alarm question

The free version is a basic firewall. However it can be a security suite if
you purchase the right one.



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Sent: 18 September 2009 9:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Zone alarm question

Hey do I need any scripts for JAWS? How do I set it up? Is this also an Anti
Virus?
Jose Lomeli
Email: joselom...@pghmail.com
Website:
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From: Chris Hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Date sent: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:52:00 +0100
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Zone alarm question

www.zonelabs.com.



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Lomeli
Sent: 18 September 2009 8:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Zone alarm question

Where can I download it?
Jose Lomeli
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From: Chris Hallsworth christopher...@googlemail.com
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Date sent: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:31:16 +0100
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Zone alarm question

Wikipedia - zone alarm
ZoneAlarm is a software firewall originally developed by Zone
Labs, which
was acquired in March 2004 by Check Point.  It includes an
inbound intrusion
detection
system, as well as the ability to control which programs can
create outbound
connections-the latter not available in the Windows XP Service
Pack 2
firewall.
As of August 2009, the newest release is ZoneAlarm Extreme
Security 2010.
ZoneAlarm was formerly known as Zone Labs, the usage of which is
declining.


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Subject: [JAWS-Users] Zone alarm question

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Re: [JAWS-Users] BAsic training files for jaws beta available.

2009-09-18 Thread Hugh

F S have said they would be putting the new jaws 11 out about the same time
as windows seven so around five weeks  

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I know this is speculation, but does this indicate that JAWS 11 is nearly
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Subject: [JAWS-Users] BAsic training files for jaws beta available.

The basic training files for JAWS beta 2 are available as an update if you
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Of course it says it's jaws basic training 1 2 and 3 but when you install it
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Re: [JAWS-Users] text selection mode

2009-09-18 Thread Flor Lynch


Kimsan,

If the sentence does not have a period to end it, how is Microsoft word 
to know that there really is a sentence?  It doesn't matter the view 
that's set: Selection Mode should work just as well.


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To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 8:54 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] text selection mode



I have a question concerning text selection mode in word.

   If memory serves me correctly, when pressing the function key 
eight, it will take you into text selection mode and you can select 
word, sentence, paragraph or document.


So, my question are as follows.

 1.. In order to use this am I needing to have it set at 
printview? (or does that matter)
 2.. Does the sentence need to have periods or some sort of 
punctuation?
   I asked this because I was at another computer today, I believe it 
was an IBM laptop and when I did function key eight, it said, word, 
paragraph and document.

How come there wasn't an option for sentence?

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Re: [JAWS-Users] BAsic training files for jaws beta available.

Yeah, thought so.



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Sent: 18 September 2009 6:15 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] BAsic training files for jaws beta available.

F S have said they would be putting the new jaws 11 out about the same time
as windows seven so around five weeks

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Hallsworth
Sent: 18 September 2009 14:59
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Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] BAsic training files for jaws beta available.

I know this is speculation, but does this indicate that JAWS 11 is nearly
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Sent: 18 September 2009 3:06 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] BAsic training files for jaws beta available.

The basic training files for JAWS beta 2 are available as an update if you
run the jaws update feature.

Of course it says it's jaws basic training 1 2 and 3 but when you install it
it says it installed basic training 1 2 and 4.

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[JAWS-Users] Zone Alarm help please?

Hello; Listers, Can anyone please give me the direct URL for Zone Alarm? I've 
been looking for the darn program download and I can't find it! So if someone 
is nice enough to give it to me that would be great!
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Zone Alarm help please?

2009-09-18 Thread Lennie Rinaldi

Jose,

I posted this information the other day to the list. Perhaps, you
might have missed it?So, I copied and pasted it here for you. See it
below and let me know if you need any further help.

ZoneAlarm has two versions, one is free while the complete one will
have to be purchased.

The free one is the basic free ZoneAlarm. I use this one although
navigating ZoneAlarm is not very friendly to Jaws users. Once it is
set up, you can use it to allow or deny access to the Internet and
prevent anyone from accessing your computer.

Note, this is only a firewall while the paid version comes complete
with anti-virus and anti-spyware.

You can go to the following site to download it at:

http://www.zonealarm.com/security/en-us/free-upgrade-security-suite-zonealarm-firewall.htm

Press enter on the following which is a link on the page to start the download.

Get it from CNET Download.com!

Note: the download will not start. You will have to press enter where
it said something like if download not started click here. You should
then bring up the file download page.

Lennie

At 06:03 PM 9/18/2009, you wrote:
Hello; Listers, Can anyone please give me the direct URL for Zone
Alarm? I've been looking for the darn program download and I can't
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Zone Alarm help please?

It won't work!
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Which link do I choose? Is it the one that says get it from CNET?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Zone Alarm help please?

2009-09-18 Thread Jon Pierson

Hi,
Just an alternate suggestion. Tiny Personal Firewall hasn't been updated in
a long time but is definitely JFW friendly.

Jon
 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] text selection mode

Ok, my question basically was when doing text selection is it suppose to say 
word, sentence, paragraph and document? I noted in my previous message that 
when I was at another machine an went into text selection mode I did not 
hear the sentence option and just wanted to know does text selection differ 
from machine-to-machine and if it doesn't how come I did not get the 
sentence option from the other machine and only word, paragraph and 
document?  Predictability wasn't part of my concern.

   I hope my question had more clarification this time around.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] text selection mode

2009-09-18 Thread Flor Lynch

Well, were there periods [full stops] in it as well?  If so, I don't 
know why sentences were not included in the order.  If not, then I have 
explained it.  (unless there is now a difference in Microsoft word 
itself?  I'm using word 2002.  it's been word, sentence, paragraph, 
document, since office 97 at least.)


- Original Message - 
From: Kimsan ksong8...@msn.com

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 1:22 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] text selection mode


Ok, my question basically was when doing text selection is it suppose 
to say word, sentence, paragraph and document? I noted in my previous 
message that when I was at another machine an went into text selection 
mode I did not hear the sentence option and just wanted to know does 
text selection differ from machine-to-machine and if it doesn't how 
come I did not get the sentence option from the other machine and only 
word, paragraph and document?  Predictability wasn't part of my 
concern.

   I hope my question had more clarification this time around.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] text selection mode


There were no periods.
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[JAWS-Users] Application mode question

2009-09-18 Thread Shari

Hi Listers, I'm using Jaws 10 and Vista. Tonight everytime I try to go to Yahoo 
mail, Jaws says application mode on. I don't have any idea what that means, but 
I can't navigate the page at all with the PC/virtual cursor. I can read with 
the Jaws cursor, but when I route PC to Jaws, reading is very strange with Jaws 
not recognizing links or responding to any commands. I would like to understand 
what application mode is and how to not have it come on without being asked 
for. Thanks - Shari
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Re: [JAWS-Users] text selection mode

2009-09-18 Thread Mike Barbara

Hi Flor,

I am running Word 2002 also, but when I press the F8 key to activate the 
text selection mode, then press the F8 key again to go from word, to 
sentence, to paragraph, to document Jaws reads word or document .  Am I 
trying to choose the text choice in which I want to select text incorrectly? 
If so, what are the correct keystrokes to use in text slection mode?  All 
advice will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.  Take care.
Mike

  - Original Message - 
  From: Flor Lynch
  To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
  Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 5:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] text selection mode


  Well, were there periods [full stops] in it as well?  If so, I don't
  know why sentences were not included in the order.  If not, then I have
  explained it.  (unless there is now a difference in Microsoft word
  itself?  I'm using word 2002.  it's been word, sentence, paragraph,
  document, since office 97 at least.)

  - Original Message - 
  From: Kimsan ksong8...@msn.com
  To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
  Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 1:22 AM
  Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] text selection mode


   Ok, my question basically was when doing text selection is it suppose
   to say word, sentence, paragraph and document? I noted in my previous
   message that when I was at another machine an went into text selection
   mode I did not hear the sentence option and just wanted to know does
   text selection differ from machine-to-machine and if it doesn't how
   come I did not get the sentence option from the other machine and only
   word, paragraph and document?  Predictability wasn't part of my
   concern.
  I hope my question had more clarification this time around.
   Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you
   nothing. It was here first. - Mark Twain
  
  
  
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Zone Alarm help please?


Where can you download it?
Jose Lomeli
Email: joselom...@pghmail.com
Website:
http://All4Webs.com/q/2/jlomeli9393
BrailleNote mPOWER user.
Keysoft version 8.0 build 20


- Original Message -
From: Jon Pierson joncpier...@comcast.net
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Date sent: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:50:22 -0700
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Zone Alarm help please?



Hi,
Just an alternate suggestion.  Tiny Personal Firewall hasn't been 

updated in

a long time but is definitely JFW friendly.



Jon




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Lomeli

Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 3:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Zone Alarm help please?



Which link do I choose? Is it the one that says get it from CNET?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Zone Alarm help please?


Is it good? Does it detect various things?
Jose Lomeli
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Website:
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Keysoft version 8.0 build 20


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From: Jon Pierson joncpier...@comcast.net
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Date sent: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:50:22 -0700
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Zone Alarm help please?



Hi,
Just an alternate suggestion.  Tiny Personal Firewall hasn't been 

updated in

a long time but is definitely JFW friendly.



Jon




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Lomeli

Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 3:39 PM
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Application mode question

Great question! I second that notion about a definition for appplication 
mode because I have come across it numerous times.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Application mode question

2009-09-18 Thread Ann Byrne

I have only seen it on Yahoo! web sites.  Only in the past ten or so 
days.  Looks like Yahoo! invented something new.

At 08:50 PM 9/18/2009, you wrote:
Great question! I second that notion about a definition for 
appplication mode because I have come across it numerous times.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] how to shutdown vista

2009-09-18 Thread Brian Lee


Hello,

If you create these shortcuts in Windows Vista the computer will shut down 
or restart quicker if you use a 00 instead of the 01 at the end of the line 
in the type the location box.  You will also stop getting the dialog 
telling you that Windows will shut down or restart in less than a minute.


Also be careful not to use shortcut keys that you use a lot in other 
programs.  For example, if you use Alt+CTRL+1 for shut down then if you are 
in Word and use the keystroke for heading 1, the computer will shut down 
instead.


Take care.

Brian Lee
brianl...@charter.net
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From: david davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] how to shutdown vista



hello;

here's another way you can perform the shutdown task.



give these steps a try.

Shortcuts for shutting/restarting windows.
this works for windows XP, and Vista.

You can create a shortcut icon, you can assign a keystroke that will
shutdown windows.

1. Minimize to your desktop and press f5 to unselect any item on your
desktop.

2. Press the applications key and enter on new.

3. Enter on shortcut.
you should see this screen;
Create Shortcut
Create Shortcut
What item would you like to create a shortcut for?
This wizard helps you to create shortcuts to local or network programs,
files, folders, computers, or
Internet addresses.
Type the location of the item:
Browse...
Click Next to continue.
Next Cancel
4. Type in SHUTDOWN -s -t 01 without the quotation marks
5. Click NEXT.

6. Now type in a name for your shortcut.
The default name will be,shutdown.exe
You can name it anything you want then click finish.

You will now see a new
icon on your desktop with the name you gave it.

7. Press alt enter on the icon and give it a shortcut keystroke.
When you want to shut down
your computer just press your hot-key.
or you can just press enter on the icon to perform the shutdown task.

If you would like to create a shortcut for restarting your computer, use
the same steps above, Just replace the first S with a R.

SHUTDOWN -r -t 01


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From: Kimsan ksong8...@msn.com

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] how to shutdown vista


I thought those were neat. I have always done the windows/arrow three 
times

to shut dodown route but I think I will use the CTRL alt delete key.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] how to shutdown vista


Hi brian,
Would you be able to provide an answer concerning the text selection mode? 
I'm using word 07.  If you don't know what I am referencing here was my 
email.

I have a question concerning text selection mode in word.

   If memory serves me correctly, when pressing the function key eight, it 
will take you into text selection mode and you can select word, sentence, 
paragraph or document.


So, my question are as follows.

 1.. In order to use this am I needing to have it set at printview? (or 
does that matter)

 2.. Does the sentence need to have periods or some sort of punctuation?
   I asked this because I was at another computer today, I believe it was 
an IBM laptop and when I did function key eight, it said, word, paragraph 
and document.

How come there wasn't an option for sentence?

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Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

2009-09-18 Thread Sarah anson

Hi,
No, I mean why wouldn' the library read if I downgraded back to itunes 8.2.
Hmm. Will have to find out the mouse over command for say to go!
thanks,
Sarah A.
- Original Message - 
From: Michael Hansen amt...@gmail.com

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

Yes, in short, System Access (and System Access to Go) is the only
thing that works with iTunes right now.  I don't know what the SA
mouse over command is, but still...it works.  The format kind of
reminds me of AmazonMP3, which is fine.
Also, I don't know why the library won't read if it has been upgraded
previously--perhaps because the file contains upgraded data?

On 9/17/09, Sarah anson beccaj...@tconl.com wrote:

Hi,
Yes, I have tried that. Am using a laptop though. I think the commands 
are
the same cause I tried a moseover on a sample freedom scientific page and 
it

works fine. BAut, in itunes it doesn't.
8.2 is very easy. And, if you hit enter on a song it will play the 
preview

unlike version 9. 8.2 I had no probs with using jaws 10.
Sarah A.

- Original Message -
From: Donald Marang donald.mar...@gmail.com
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

I am just getting started with iTunes.  Even version 8.2.1 seems hard to
get it to do what I want to do at this point.  I noticed that you mention
that you should be able to get a preview in the store by performing a
mouseover. When JAWS is focused on a  song in the store, have you 
attempted

the activate mouseover keystroke?  On a desktop keyboard, that would be
the Control + Insert + NumPad Enter.  I am not sure how this differs from
hovering the mouse over an object by routing the JAWS cursor to the PC
cursor with the Insert + NumPad Minus.  I would try both.

Don Marang

- Original Message -
From: Sarah anson beccaj...@tconl.com
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

I tried the system access. It seems to be working exactly the same as 
jaws

when I am browsing the itunes store.
It won't let me mouseover a song, so I don't know how you're supposed 
to

be previewing it.
It is probably me it just seems that the itunes is workign the same as 
it

was in jaws. It's not reading link link link over and over towards the
beginning of the page, but other then that it's about the same. Maybe 
i'm

doing or have something set wrong.
Also, I know this is unjaws related, but where'd the put the free on
itunes page?
thanks,
sarah A.

- Original Message -
From: Blackwell, Clifford cblackw...@cityofmadison.com
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

Prio to the development of VoiceOver, Apple took no steps towards 
making

their computers accessible.  Rather, they relied on third party
developers to write programs for accessibility.  This is similar to 
how

Microsoft has interfaced with screen reader developers.  However,
Microsoft and companies like Freedom Scientific and GW Micro have 
tended

to work more closely together than Apple and the previous developers 
of

screen readers for Apple computers.

When the last of these third party developers announced that it would 
no

longer be developing or upgrading its screen reading program, Apple
needed to address the void that would be created.  It needed to do so,
because of increasing criticism of its hands off policy and because it
needed to have its products accessible to meet contracting 
requirements

for many governemental entities.  At least in part, that is why Apple
undertook development of VoiceOver.

Before the development of VoiceOver, Apple wanted to attract those who
used Windows to its Ipod products.  That is why it developed both a 
Mac

version and eventually a Windows version.  Again there were many
motives, but much had to do with the economics of the music industry.

By reverting to form, in this instance, I suggest that with respect 
othe

Windows version of Itunes, apple is seeking to force the screen reader
developers to play ball their way rather than building a program/site
that conforms readily to Windows standard controls and structures. 
Why

they are doing this, I don't have a clue.

I think that if you'd like to continue this discussion, we've reached
the point where it should go off list

I thank the moderators indulgence to this point.

-Original Message-
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Sarah 
anson

Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

Hmmm. Enteresting...So what do you mean by
reversion to form windows? Tey are trying to make itunes 9.0 look more
like
a windows

Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

2009-09-18 Thread Sarah anson

what is the difference between system access and system access to go?
Sarah A.
- Original Message - 
From: Michael Hansen amt...@gmail.com

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

Yes, in short, System Access (and System Access to Go) is the only
thing that works with iTunes right now.  I don't know what the SA
mouse over command is, but still...it works.  The format kind of
reminds me of AmazonMP3, which is fine.
Also, I don't know why the library won't read if it has been upgraded
previously--perhaps because the file contains upgraded data?

On 9/17/09, Sarah anson beccaj...@tconl.com wrote:

Hi,
Yes, I have tried that. Am using a laptop though. I think the commands 
are
the same cause I tried a moseover on a sample freedom scientific page and 
it

works fine. BAut, in itunes it doesn't.
8.2 is very easy. And, if you hit enter on a song it will play the 
preview

unlike version 9. 8.2 I had no probs with using jaws 10.
Sarah A.

- Original Message -
From: Donald Marang donald.mar...@gmail.com
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

I am just getting started with iTunes.  Even version 8.2.1 seems hard to
get it to do what I want to do at this point.  I noticed that you mention
that you should be able to get a preview in the store by performing a
mouseover. When JAWS is focused on a  song in the store, have you 
attempted

the activate mouseover keystroke?  On a desktop keyboard, that would be
the Control + Insert + NumPad Enter.  I am not sure how this differs from
hovering the mouse over an object by routing the JAWS cursor to the PC
cursor with the Insert + NumPad Minus.  I would try both.

Don Marang

- Original Message -
From: Sarah anson beccaj...@tconl.com
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

I tried the system access. It seems to be working exactly the same as 
jaws

when I am browsing the itunes store.
It won't let me mouseover a song, so I don't know how you're supposed 
to

be previewing it.
It is probably me it just seems that the itunes is workign the same as 
it

was in jaws. It's not reading link link link over and over towards the
beginning of the page, but other then that it's about the same. Maybe 
i'm

doing or have something set wrong.
Also, I know this is unjaws related, but where'd the put the free on
itunes page?
thanks,
sarah A.

- Original Message -
From: Blackwell, Clifford cblackw...@cityofmadison.com
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

Prio to the development of VoiceOver, Apple took no steps towards 
making

their computers accessible.  Rather, they relied on third party
developers to write programs for accessibility.  This is similar to 
how

Microsoft has interfaced with screen reader developers.  However,
Microsoft and companies like Freedom Scientific and GW Micro have 
tended

to work more closely together than Apple and the previous developers 
of

screen readers for Apple computers.

When the last of these third party developers announced that it would 
no

longer be developing or upgrading its screen reading program, Apple
needed to address the void that would be created.  It needed to do so,
because of increasing criticism of its hands off policy and because it
needed to have its products accessible to meet contracting 
requirements

for many governemental entities.  At least in part, that is why Apple
undertook development of VoiceOver.

Before the development of VoiceOver, Apple wanted to attract those who
used Windows to its Ipod products.  That is why it developed both a 
Mac

version and eventually a Windows version.  Again there were many
motives, but much had to do with the economics of the music industry.

By reverting to form, in this instance, I suggest that with respect 
othe

Windows version of Itunes, apple is seeking to force the screen reader
developers to play ball their way rather than building a program/site
that conforms readily to Windows standard controls and structures. 
Why

they are doing this, I don't have a clue.

I think that if you'd like to continue this discussion, we've reached
the point where it should go off list

I thank the moderators indulgence to this point.

-Original Message-
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Sarah 
anson

Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

Hmmm. Enteresting...So what do you mean by
reversion to form windows? Tey are trying to make itunes 9.0 look more
like
a windows program?
And by apple giving stuff to third party, you mean someone else 
designes

he

Re: [JAWS-Users] Sigate Personal Firewall

2009-09-18 Thread Shane Hecker

I've used it in the past. It's old but from what I remember, accessible. 
Might want to find Kerio Personal Firewall. I'm currently using this and it 
works, but like Sigate, it's older. Believe the last accessible version is 
2.15.


Shane

- Original Message - 
From: Jose Lomeli joselom...@pghmail.com

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 9:03 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Sigate Personal Firewall


Hello; Listers, Has anyone used Sigate personal firewall? Is it good is it 
easy to set up? Last time I tried another firewall and when I restarted 
the computer JAWS stopped talking! The firewall was blocking JAWS!

Jose Lomeli
Email: joselom...@pghmail.com
Website:
http://All4Webs.com/q/2/jlomeli9393
BrailleNote mPOWER user.
Keysoft version 8.0 build 20
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Re: [JAWS-Users] how to shutdown vista

2009-09-18 Thread Brian Lee


Hi Kimsan,

I realize that the subject line needs to be changed, so I will answer your 
questions and then let's take any follow-up off list.


The selection mode that you are put in when you use F8 in Word works 
regardless of if you are in print view, draft view, web view or outline 
view.  JAWS doesn't support full page view.


In Word there would have to be punctuation marks at the end of sentences 
before Word would recognize a structure as a sentence.  Also, in AutoCorrect 
if the writing style setting shows that there should be two spaces after a 
punctuation then Word will likely not recognize a sentence unless two spaces 
follow the end of sentence punctuation marks.  You can check your writing 
style settings by using the office button with alt+F then pressing the 
letter I for Word options, and use down arrow through the category list to 
the proofing category.  Use tab key across the page and you will find the 
writing style being used and a button for settings.  Press spacebar on the 
button.  use tab to where you hear the word required and use down arrow in 
the list.  You might hear a line about the number of spaces and not hear the 
number.  Route JAWS to PC and read the line if that happens and you will 
hear the number of spaces required for being between sentences.


I have noticed that JAWS will sometimes say paragraph twice and not say 
sentence if there is only one sentence in a paragraph.  Another thing I 
have noticed in a couple of the views is that JAWS will just say word when 
you select a word at the beginning of a sentence.  At least that can happen 
with a short word like I at the beginning of the sentence.  However, if 
you use the say all selected text command you will hear the word that was 
selected.  Again, that only happens in a couple of the views.


When you use F8 you go into select mode.  Your navigating keys then can also 
be used to select and deselect without the use of the shift key.  Also as 
pressing F8 selects, if you use shift+F8 you will start to deselect.


Take care.

Brian Lee
brianl...@charter.net
- Original Message - 
From: Kimsan ksong8...@msn.com

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] how to shutdown vista



Hi brian,
Would you be able to provide an answer concerning the text selection mode? 
I'm using word 07.  If you don't know what I am referencing here was my 
email.

I have a question concerning text selection mode in word.

   If memory serves me correctly, when pressing the function key eight, it 
will take you into text selection mode and you can select word, sentence, 
paragraph or document.


So, my question are as follows.

 1.. In order to use this am I needing to have it set at printview? 
(or does that matter)

 2.. Does the sentence need to have periods or some sort of punctuation?
   I asked this because I was at another computer today, I believe it was 
an IBM laptop and when I did function key eight, it said, word, paragraph 
and document.

How come there wasn't an option for sentence?

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nothing. It was here first. - Mark Twain




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Re: [JAWS-Users] Zone Alarm help please?

2009-09-18 Thread Jon Pierson

Hi Jose,
Hopefully this url will work.

Jon

http://www.oldversion.com/download/tpfirewall209.zip 

-Original Message-
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jose Lomeli
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:49 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Zone Alarm help please?

Where can you download it?
Jose Lomeli
Email: joselom...@pghmail.com
Website:
http://All4Webs.com/q/2/jlomeli9393
BrailleNote mPOWER user.
Keysoft version 8.0 build 20

 - Original Message -
From: Jon Pierson joncpier...@comcast.net
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Date sent: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:50:22 -0700
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Zone Alarm help please?

Hi,
Just an alternate suggestion.  Tiny Personal Firewall hasn't been
updated in
a long time but is definitely JFW friendly.

Jon


-Original Message-
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jose
Lomeli
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 3:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Zone Alarm help please?

Which link do I choose? Is it the one that says get it from CNET?
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