[JAWS-Users] (no subject)

[David Bailes]

Hi Joanne, 
the following is a link to a guide to file explorer in Windows 8.1. It contains 
a section describing the ribbon in that program, and I don't think there are 
any changes in the ribbon in File explorer in Windows 10. 


http://vip.chowo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/jaws/File-Explorer-8p1-Guide.html
David.

original message: 
I hope I won't get in trouble for possibly making this more of a thank you  
message, and yes those can clutter an in box. But I do want to say that, for 
example, in the case of ribbons, I appreciated David Bales' suggestions and 
they worked beautifully. I like that this group presents many approaches to the 
handling of apps and various work-arounds using Jaws. We're all learning, and 
for those of us who don't always understand new apps or layouts I appreciate 
help from those who can present an easier or, to me, familiar way of reaching 
my goals. 
I wouldn't mind learning more about ribbons and maybe there's a tutorial to 
explain them. But they don't make sense to me and I can't picture their  layout 
or how to find their menus. Someone suggested turning the virtual ribbon 
feature off in Jaws and I know many others use it. I'd be glad to hear an 
explanation of what exactly they are and how to find the menus you  need. I am 
using older email programs for this very reason--ribbons don't make sense. So 
if there's a tutorial that explains them thoroughly I would  check one out if 
anyone knows of one. 
But in the meantime I'm so relieved there are still other ways to avoid them 
till I learn more. 
Joanne




http://vip.chowo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/jaws/File-Explorer-8p1-Guide.html

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[JAWS-Users] (no subject)

[David Bailes]

Hi Joanne, 
the following is a link to a guide to file explorer in Windows 8.1. It contains 
a section describing the ribbon in that program, and I don't think there are 
any changes in the ribbon in File explorer in Windows 10. 


http://vip.chowo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/jaws/File-Explorer-8p1-Guide.html 
David. 

original message: 
I hope I won't get in trouble for possibly making this more of a thank you 
message, and yes those can clutter an in box. But I do want to say that, for 
example, in the case of ribbons, I appreciated David Bales' suggestions and 
they worked beautifully. I like that this group presents many approaches to the 
handling of apps and various work-arounds using Jaws. We're all learning, and 
for those of us who don't always understand new apps or layouts I appreciate 
help from those who can present an easier or, to me, familiar way of reaching 
my goals. 
I wouldn't mind learning more about ribbons and maybe there's a tutorial to 
explain them. But they don't make sense to me and I can't picture their  layout 
or how to find their menus. Someone suggested turning the virtual ribbon 
feature off in Jaws and I know many others use it. I'd be glad to hear an 
explanation of what exactly they are and how to find the menus you  need. I am 
using older email programs for this very reason--ribbons don't make sense. So 
if there's a tutorial that explains them thoroughly I would  check one out if 
anyone knows of one. 
But in the meantime I'm so relieved there are still other ways to avoid them 
till I learn more. 
Joanne 

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[JAWS-Users] A Guide to File Explorer in Windows 8.1

[Rick Justice]

Just changing the subject line to reflect the topic.

From: "David Bailes" 


Hi Joanne,
the following is a link to a guide to file explorer in Windows 8.1. It 
contains a section describing the ribbon in that program, and I don't think 
there are any changes in the ribbon in File explorer in Windows 10.

http://vip.chowo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/jaws/File-Explorer-8p1-Guide.html

David.



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Re: [JAWS-Users] WARNING! some key combinations do not work with wireless keyboards

[David Ferrin]

Interesting, I never noticed but obviously I will pay more attention in the 
future. I am using a Logitech wireless right now on this lap top but I'm not 
sure if this combination has crossed my mind as of late.


The fact is no matter how careful you are once the amount of wires passes 
into the unbelievable range tangles are not avoidable at all.


-Original Message- 
From: john_Justice

Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 8:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] WARNING! some key combinations do not work 
withwireless keyboards


I'm using a laptop and an older HP wireless keyboard.  The Jaws Find command
CONTROL+INSERT+F  doesn't work at all on this particular wireless keyboard.

My HP 4140 has a full keyboard with a keypad.  I tried the same key
combination on that board and it worked.



There's no way to check for sure but that does concern me.

You buy a board expecting it to work just like a hard wired version and it
doesn't.





JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE

PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net





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Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update

[K. Washington]

The problem with Windows 10 is MS has packed it with a bunch of 
hidden services that violate your privacy.


Everything you do on Windows 10 is being monitored in some way. MS is 
obviously looking for a easy way to market to it's users that's why 
they're offering Windows 10 as a free upgrade for Windows 7, 8 and 
8.1 users. Also the reason why they're now force feeding the upgrade too.


I'm sticking with Windows 7 as long as I can for I don't need another 
dad or mom looking over my shoulders monitoring every single thing I 
do on my PC.


There is a very good free tool available that allows you to turn off 
many of these privacy issues called Spybot Anti-Beacon:


"Spybot Anti-Beacon is a standalone tool which was designed to block 
and stop the various tracking (telemetry) issues present in Windows 
10. It has since been modified to block similar tracking 
functionality in Windows 7, Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 operating systems."


Visit this page to read up on it:
https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/

Yes, the program is completely accessible to JAWS.

At 07:43 PM 12/3/2015, you wrote:

Hi there,
There is no better time to up grade to win10 than now. It is twice 
as fast, JAWS and NVDA work with it great, and it is much easier to 
navigate. You also have cortana which obeys your commands to do 
things on the computer for you and to answer many questions. I and 
many many JAWS and NVDA users have already upgraded to win10 and 
love it and will never look back. Please quit being afraid to 
explore the unknown. It just might be 10 times more rewarding when 
you finally get the nerve to explore and find your reward. Have a good one.



-Original Message- From: Bobb Wiley
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10,beware of 
Windows Update


Thanks for the heads up on this.

I, for one, am not going to try to adapt to another operating system just
now, not if I can help it.

Bob

-Original Message- From: Don & Cher
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 8:15 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows
Update

A windows update which came down yesterday afternoon, installed Win10
without my permission. The automatic update brought up a screen about
downloading Win10. MS had downloaded Win10 months ago, but this screen made
me question what I knew. There were 2 options- "download and upgrade" and
"download but do not upgrade". I selected the last option- thinking that
either I had been mistaken about Win10 already being fully downloaded or
that the major updates to Win10 required a new download of Win10.



However, after the download, I started seeing a 'preparing to install'
message and this morning was presented with a license accept screen. I
called the accessibility desk to uninstall and hide this update. I don't
plan on installing till early spring when I will have more time. I hope no
one else will get caught unprepared as I did last night ;)



Cher





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[JAWS-Users] questions about vipre

[james hooper]

okay all i ran a deep scan, and it told me it protected me from 1400 items do i 
need to do anything else running vipre 2016 using jaws 16 windows 7 
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Re: [JAWS-Users] can ribbon menus be removed in windows 10

[David Bailes]

Hopefully this message has a subject - apologies for the previous two which 
didn't. One of those days.

Hi Joanne, 
the following is a link to a guide to file explorer in Windows 8.1. It contains 
a section describing the ribbon in that program, and I don't think there are 
any changes in the ribbon in File explorer in Windows 10. 


http://vip.chowo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/jaws/File-Explorer-8p1-Guide.html 
David. 

original message: 
I hope I won't get in trouble for possibly making this more of a thank you 
message, and yes those can clutter an in box. But I do want to say that, for 
example, in the case of ribbons, I appreciated David Bales' suggestions and 
they worked beautifully. I like that this group presents many approaches to the 
handling of apps and various work-arounds using Jaws. We're all learning, and 
for those of us who don't always understand new apps or layouts I appreciate 
help from those who can present an easier or, to me, familiar way of reaching 
my goals. 
I wouldn't mind learning more about ribbons and maybe there's a tutorial to 
explain them. But they don't make sense to me and I can't picture their  layout 
or how to find their menus. Someone suggested turning the virtual ribbon 
feature off in Jaws and I know many others use it. I'd be glad to hear an 
explanation of what exactly they are and how to find the menus you  need. I am 
using older email programs for this very reason--ribbons don't make sense. So 
if there's a tutorial that explains them thoroughly I would  check one out if 
anyone knows of one. 
But in the meantime I'm so relieved there are still other ways to avoid them 
till I learn more. 
Joanne 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] no attachment message in WLM

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
I haven't found a setting that governs this and can report the same in most 
current version of windows live mail under windows 10 using JFW 17. Do join 
in the reporting fun and let Freedom Scientific perhaps it'll garner the 
poor mail client some needed attention (smile).

Robin


-Original Message- 
From: T. Civitello

Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 10:54 AM
To: Jaws users list
Subject: [JAWS-Users] no attachment message in WLM

Running Jaws V17.0.1214, Win 10 and WLM 12. If message has attachment jaws 
does not say “attachment.  Also have Jaws 17 on Win 7 pc and older version 
of WLM, 2007 I think. Attachment is identified there. Is there a setting 
that controls this?  Tom

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[JAWS-Users] no attachment message in WLM

[T. Civitello]

Running Jaws V17.0.1214, Win 10 and WLM 12. If message has attachment jaws does 
not say “attachment.  Also have Jaws 17 on Win 7 pc and older version of WLM, 
2007 I think. Attachment is identified there. Is there a setting that controls 
this?  Tom
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[JAWS-Users] prevent windows 10 from downloading automatically

[anna vimini]

I am running jaws 15 and windows 8.1
How can I prevent windows 10 from down loading automatically like some 
people are claiming?

Thanks in advance

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Re: [JAWS-Users] questions about vipre

[Kevin]

not that I am aware of, because mine says it has protected me from 213 
threats.  when I run a manual scan after I get the malware 'your computer 
may be infected with malware please call Microsoft at x for help' after 
I run the scan it automatically says 2 quarantined items then asks me if I 
want to delete them

so vipre can be trusted to protect you!

-Original Message- 
From: james hooper

Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 4:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] questions about vipre

okay all i ran a deep scan, and it told me it protected me from 1400 items 
do i need to do anything else running vipre 2016 using jaws 16 windows 7

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[JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update

[anna vimini]

yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws 15 and windows 10 some 
how down loads without your knowledge you are litterally going to be in 
a mess.
could some one on the list please help me and tell me which update will 
cause this dialogue to appear ? that is mentioned below so I can 
uninstall it?

before I run into the same problem.
thanks in advance
Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update
Hi there,
There is no better time to up grade to win10 than now. It is twice as 
fast, JAWS and NVDA work with it great, and it is much easier to 
navigate. You also
have cortana which obeys your commands to do things on the computer for 
you and to answer many questions. I and many many JAWS and NVDA users 
have already
upgraded to win10 and love it and will never look back. Please quit 
being afraid to explore the unknown. It just might be 10 times more 
rewarding when

you finally get the nerve to explore and find your reward. Have a good one.

-Original Message- From: Bobb Wiley
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10,beware of 
Windows Update


Thanks for the heads up on this.

I, for one, am not going to try to adapt to another operating system just
now, not if I can help it.

Bob

-Original Message- From: Don & Cher
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 8:15 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows
Update

A windows update which came down yesterday afternoon, installed Win10
without my permission. The automatic update brought up a screen about
downloading Win10. MS had downloaded Win10 months ago, but this screen made
me question what I knew. There were 2 options- "download and upgrade" and
"download but do not upgrade". I selected the last option- thinking that
either I had been mistaken about Win10 already being fully downloaded or
that the major updates to Win10 required a new download of Win10.

However, after the download, I started seeing a 'preparing to install'
message and this morning was presented with a license accept screen. I
called the accessibility desk to uninstall and hide this update. I don't
plan on installing till early spring when I will have more time. I hope no
one else will get caught unprepared as I did last night

Cher

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[JAWS-Users] jaws is saying running applications while alt-tabbing can this be stopped

[joanne]

I've never seen this before and it's happening on a windows 10 machine I'm 
experimenting with.  Since Jaws 16 is more responsive than 17, I am using it 
mostly but I don't like alt-tabbing in Jaws 16.  It says running applications 
and then the name of the window I'm alt-tabbing to, and then its position, like 
3 of 4 or something like that.  Can the running applications announcement be 
stopped?  

Joanne
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Found two problems with jaws 17.;

[T. Civitello]

Phonetic spelling works correctly for me. Running Win 10 and latest Jaws. 
Tom


-Original Message- 
From: Ron Kolesar

Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:13 PM
To: JAWS Mailing List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Found two problems with jaws 17.;

   Hi to all.
Has anyone else noticed the following with j 17 with win10?
1. the dictionary will not work.
2. When you tap your five key on the calculator keypad to do fanatic 
spelling, it works in the following way.
You tap your five key on the first letter and it will spell fanatically for 
you.

but right arrow to  the next letter.
That next letter is not fanatically spelled.
You have to tap your five key once again.
Any one know if we can fix these problems?
Thanks.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Found two problems with jaws 17.;

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
I agree it's working for me too here. And I'm not sure I understand the 
meaning of the dictionary doesn't work. I've instructed JFW to pronounce a 
word correctly when it didn't know how in the default dictionary and had no 
problem saving and maintaining the results. If this refers to something else 
I apologize in advance.

Robin


-Original Message- 
From: T. Civitello

Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 8:53 AM
To: JAWS Mailing List
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Found two problems with jaws 17.;

Phonetic spelling works correctly for me. Running Win 10 and latest Jaws.
Tom

-Original Message- 
From: Ron Kolesar

Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:13 PM
To: JAWS Mailing List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Found two problems with jaws 17.;

   Hi to all.
Has anyone else noticed the following with j 17 with win10?
1. the dictionary will not work.
2. When you tap your five key on the calculator keypad to do fanatic
spelling, it works in the following way.
You tap your five key on the first letter and it will spell fanatically for
you.
but right arrow to  the next letter.
That next letter is not fanatically spelled.
You have to tap your five key once again.
Any one know if we can fix these problems?
Thanks.
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[JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware ofwindows updateYes that is all fine but if a person is running Jaws 15 and windows 10 some how down loads without their knowledge they are littera

[anna vimini]

I am using windows 8.1 can you tell me which windows update will cause 
that dialogue?

thanks in advance

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Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update

[Jim Pursley]

Updates are divided (in Win7 at least) between important and 
recommended.  I never download recommended because I chinstruct Windows 
to check for updates and let me decide whether to download and install.  
If the Win 10 install is an important upgrade, then you'd have to go 
into the details of each upgrade that is connected to the operating 
system, not to your other apps like Word, Defender, etc.  There is a 
link to more information.  The process can be enlightening if you care 
for that kind of detail.


This said, the Win 10 income in the systems tray came as an important 
update..I did not scrutinize the important updates.  And so I warily 
proceed.



On 12/4/2015 2:38 PM, anna vimini wrote:
Gerald if I do that I am clue less of which windows updates I should 
or shouldm't download.
this is why I was asking which windows update causes the dialogue to 
that was mentioned below to appear?
Re: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows 
update


To prevent Windows 10 from being installed surreptitiously on your PC 
without your knowledge, go to Change Settings in the Windows Update 
dialog, and in
the combo box choose the option labeled "check for updates but let me 
choose whether to download and install them."  Also, uncheck the box 
labeled "get

recommended updates the same way I receive important updates."

Gerald

-Original Message- From: anna vimini
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:21 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of 
windows update


yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws 15 and windows 10 some
how down loads without your knowledge you are litterally going to be in
a mess.
could some one on the list please help me and tell me which update will
cause this dialogue to appear ? that is mentioned below so I can
uninstall it?
before I run into the same problem.
thanks in advance
Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update
Hi there,
There is no better time to up grade to win10 than now. It is twice as
fast, JAWS and NVDA work with it great, and it is much easier to
navigate. You also
have cortana which obeys your commands to do things on the computer for
you and to answer many questions. I and many many JAWS and NVDA users
have already
upgraded to win10 and love it and will never look back. Please quit
being afraid to explore the unknown. It just might be 10 times more
rewarding when
you finally get the nerve to explore and find your reward. Have a good 
one.


-Original Message- From: Bobb Wiley
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10,beware of
Windows Update

Thanks for the heads up on this.

I, for one, am not going to try to adapt to another operating system just
now, not if I can help it.

Bob

-Original Message- From: Don & Cher
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 8:15 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows
Update

A windows update which came down yesterday afternoon, installed Win10
without my permission. The automatic update brought up a screen about
downloading Win10. MS had downloaded Win10 months ago, but this screen 
made

me question what I knew. There were 2 options- "download and upgrade" and
"download but do not upgrade". I selected the last option- thinking that
either I had been mistaken about Win10 already being fully downloaded or
that the major updates to Win10 required a new download of Win10.

However, after the download, I started seeing a 'preparing to install'
message and this morning was presented with a license accept screen. I
called the accessibility desk to uninstall and hide this update. I don't
plan on installing till early spring when I will have more time. I 
hope no

one else will get caught unprepared as I did last night

Cher

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Found two problems with jaws 17.;

[Merv Keck]

Hi,
The dictionary works for me but the phonetic spelling does not. I tried it
both on the laptop and the wireless keyboard. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Robin Frost
Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 9:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Found two problems with jaws 17.;

Hi,
I agree it's working for me too here. And I'm not sure I understand the
meaning of the dictionary doesn't work. I've instructed JFW to pronounce a
word correctly when it didn't know how in the default dictionary and had no
problem saving and maintaining the results. If this refers to something else
I apologize in advance.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: T. Civitello
Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 8:53 AM
To: JAWS Mailing List
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Found two problems with jaws 17.;

Phonetic spelling works correctly for me. Running Win 10 and latest Jaws.
Tom

-Original Message-
From: Ron Kolesar
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:13 PM
To: JAWS Mailing List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Found two problems with jaws 17.;

Hi to all.
Has anyone else noticed the following with j 17 with win10?
1. the dictionary will not work.
2. When you tap your five key on the calculator keypad to do fanatic
spelling, it works in the following way.
You tap your five key on the first letter and it will spell fanatically for
you.
but right arrow to  the next letter.
That next letter is not fanatically spelled.
You have to tap your five key once again.
Any one know if we can fix these problems?
Thanks.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update

[Mario]

Anna, In the past, I've suggested to uninstall KB3035583, and then hide 
it upon checking for updates, but I think what Gerald is implying is 
that if you leave the settings on windows updates to be performed 
automatically, you won't have any control as to what gets updated.


On 12/4/2015 12:17 PM, Jim Pursley wrote:

Updates are divided (in Win7 at least) between important and
recommended.  I never download recommended because I chinstruct Windows
to check for updates and let me decide whether to download and install.
If the Win 10 install is an important upgrade, then you'd have to go
into the details of each upgrade that is connected to the operating
system, not to your other apps like Word, Defender, etc.  There is a
link to more information.  The process can be enlightening if you care
for that kind of detail.

This said, the Win 10 income in the systems tray came as an important
update..I did not scrutinize the important updates.  And so I warily
proceed.


On 12/4/2015 2:38 PM, anna vimini wrote:

Gerald if I do that I am clue less of which windows updates I should
or shouldm't download.
this is why I was asking which windows update causes the dialogue to
that was mentioned below to appear?
Re: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows
update

To prevent Windows 10 from being installed surreptitiously on your PC
without your knowledge, go to Change Settings in the Windows Update
dialog, and in
the combo box choose the option labeled "check for updates but let me
choose whether to download and install them."  Also, uncheck the box
labeled "get
recommended updates the same way I receive important updates."

Gerald

-Original Message- From: anna vimini
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:21 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of
windows update

yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws 15 and windows 10 some
how down loads without your knowledge you are litterally going to be in
a mess.
could some one on the list please help me and tell me which update will
cause this dialogue to appear ? that is mentioned below so I can
uninstall it?
before I run into the same problem.
thanks in advance
Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update
Hi there,
There is no better time to up grade to win10 than now. It is twice as
fast, JAWS and NVDA work with it great, and it is much easier to
navigate. You also
have cortana which obeys your commands to do things on the computer for
you and to answer many questions. I and many many JAWS and NVDA users
have already
upgraded to win10 and love it and will never look back. Please quit
being afraid to explore the unknown. It just might be 10 times more
rewarding when
you finally get the nerve to explore and find your reward. Have a good
one.

-Original Message- From: Bobb Wiley
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10,beware of
Windows Update

Thanks for the heads up on this.

I, for one, am not going to try to adapt to another operating system just
now, not if I can help it.

Bob

-Original Message- From: Don & Cher
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 8:15 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows
Update

A windows update which came down yesterday afternoon, installed Win10
without my permission. The automatic update brought up a screen about
downloading Win10. MS had downloaded Win10 months ago, but this screen
made
me question what I knew. There were 2 options- "download and upgrade" and
"download but do not upgrade". I selected the last option- thinking that
either I had been mistaken about Win10 already being fully downloaded or
that the major updates to Win10 required a new download of Win10.

However, after the download, I started seeing a 'preparing to install'
message and this morning was presented with a license accept screen. I
called the accessibility desk to uninstall and hide this update. I don't
plan on installing till early spring when I will have more time. I
hope no
one else will get caught unprepared as I did last night

Cher

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[JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows updates

[anna vimini]

I am using windows 8.1 and every time I enter the link when there is an 
update available and then tab to the link to view more information I get 
the window saying recover web page so I try and it just comes back
so I am left to decide for myself.or Google the updateand when I do that 
I never understand what they are talking about.
so I guess if it ever does happen I will have to call the microsoft 
accessibility help desk
Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows 
update
Updates are divided (in Win7 at least) between important and 
recommended.  I never download recommended because I chinstruct Windows 
to check for updates
and let me decide whether to download and install.  If the Win 10 
install is an important upgrade, then you'd have to go into the details 
of each upgrade
that is connected to the operating system, not to your other apps like 
Word, Defender, etc.  There is a link to more information.  The process 
can be enlightening

if you care for that kind of detail.

This said, the Win 10 income in the systems tray came as an important 
update..I did not scrutinize the important updates.  And so I warily 
proceed.


On 12/4/2015 2:38 PM, anna vimini wrote:
block quote
Gerald if I do that I am clue less of which windows updates I should or 
shouldm't download.
this is why I was asking which windows update causes the dialogue to 
that was mentioned below to appear?



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Re: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update

[Gerald Levy]

To prevent Windows 10 from being installed surreptitiously on your PC 
without your knowledge, go to Change Settings in the Windows Update dialog, 
and in the combo box choose the option labeled "check for updates but let me 
choose whether to download and install them."  Also, uncheck the box labeled 
"get recommended updates the same way I receive important updates."


Gerald



-Original Message- 
From: anna vimini

Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows 
update


yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws 15 and windows 10 some
how down loads without your knowledge you are litterally going to be in
a mess.
could some one on the list please help me and tell me which update will
cause this dialogue to appear ? that is mentioned below so I can
uninstall it?
before I run into the same problem.
thanks in advance
Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update
Hi there,
There is no better time to up grade to win10 than now. It is twice as
fast, JAWS and NVDA work with it great, and it is much easier to
navigate. You also
have cortana which obeys your commands to do things on the computer for
you and to answer many questions. I and many many JAWS and NVDA users
have already
upgraded to win10 and love it and will never look back. Please quit
being afraid to explore the unknown. It just might be 10 times more
rewarding when
you finally get the nerve to explore and find your reward. Have a good one.

-Original Message- From: Bobb Wiley
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10,beware of
Windows Update

Thanks for the heads up on this.

I, for one, am not going to try to adapt to another operating system just
now, not if I can help it.

Bob

-Original Message- From: Don & Cher
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 8:15 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows
Update

A windows update which came down yesterday afternoon, installed Win10
without my permission. The automatic update brought up a screen about
downloading Win10. MS had downloaded Win10 months ago, but this screen made
me question what I knew. There were 2 options- "download and upgrade" and
"download but do not upgrade". I selected the last option- thinking that
either I had been mistaken about Win10 already being fully downloaded or
that the major updates to Win10 required a new download of Win10.

However, after the download, I started seeing a 'preparing to install'
message and this morning was presented with a license accept screen. I
called the accessibility desk to uninstall and hide this update. I don't
plan on installing till early spring when I will have more time. I hope no
one else will get caught unprepared as I did last night

Cher

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Re: [JAWS-Users] no attachment message in WLM

[T. Civitello]

I will report it to FS. As I remember this same problem was around a couple 
of years back and FS did fix it.  Tom


-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 10:03 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] no attachment message in WLM

Hi,
I haven't found a setting that governs this and can report the same in most
current version of windows live mail under windows 10 using JFW 17. Do join
in the reporting fun and let Freedom Scientific perhaps it'll garner the
poor mail client some needed attention (smile).
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: T. Civitello

Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 10:54 AM
To: Jaws users list
Subject: [JAWS-Users] no attachment message in WLM

Running Jaws V17.0.1214, Win 10 and WLM 12. If message has attachment jaws
does not say “attachment.  Also have Jaws 17 on Win 7 pc and older version
of WLM, 2007 I think. Attachment is identified there. Is there a setting
that controls this?  Tom
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[JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update

[anna vimini]

Gerald if I do that I am clue less of which windows updates I should or 
shouldm't download.
this is why I was asking which windows update causes the dialogue to 
that was mentioned below to appear?

Re: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update

To prevent Windows 10 from being installed surreptitiously on your PC 
without your knowledge, go to Change Settings in the Windows Update 
dialog, and in
the combo box choose the option labeled "check for updates but let me 
choose whether to download and install them."  Also, uncheck the box 
labeled "get

recommended updates the same way I receive important updates."

Gerald

-Original Message- From: anna vimini
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:21 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows 
update


yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws 15 and windows 10 some
how down loads without your knowledge you are litterally going to be in
a mess.
could some one on the list please help me and tell me which update will
cause this dialogue to appear ? that is mentioned below so I can
uninstall it?
before I run into the same problem.
thanks in advance
Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update
Hi there,
There is no better time to up grade to win10 than now. It is twice as
fast, JAWS and NVDA work with it great, and it is much easier to
navigate. You also
have cortana which obeys your commands to do things on the computer for
you and to answer many questions. I and many many JAWS and NVDA users
have already
upgraded to win10 and love it and will never look back. Please quit
being afraid to explore the unknown. It just might be 10 times more
rewarding when
you finally get the nerve to explore and find your reward. Have a good one.

-Original Message- From: Bobb Wiley
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10,beware of
Windows Update

Thanks for the heads up on this.

I, for one, am not going to try to adapt to another operating system just
now, not if I can help it.

Bob

-Original Message- From: Don & Cher
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 8:15 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows
Update

A windows update which came down yesterday afternoon, installed Win10
without my permission. The automatic update brought up a screen about
downloading Win10. MS had downloaded Win10 months ago, but this screen made
me question what I knew. There were 2 options- "download and upgrade" and
"download but do not upgrade". I selected the last option- thinking that
either I had been mistaken about Win10 already being fully downloaded or
that the major updates to Win10 required a new download of Win10.

However, after the download, I started seeing a 'preparing to install'
message and this morning was presented with a license accept screen. I
called the accessibility desk to uninstall and hide this update. I don't
plan on installing till early spring when I will have more time. I hope no
one else will get caught unprepared as I did last night

Cher

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Found two problems with jaws 17.;

[Ron Kolesar]

ok.
Then how can I fix that problem?
Thanks.

-Original Message- 
From: T. Civitello

Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 8:53 AM
To: JAWS Mailing List
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Found two problems with jaws 17.;

Phonetic spelling works correctly for me. Running Win 10 and latest Jaws.
Tom

-Original Message- 
From: Ron Kolesar

Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:13 PM
To: JAWS Mailing List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Found two problems with jaws 17.;

   Hi to all.
Has anyone else noticed the following with j 17 with win10?
1. the dictionary will not work.
2. When you tap your five key on the calculator keypad to do fanatic
spelling, it works in the following way.
You tap your five key on the first letter and it will spell fanatically for
you.
but right arrow to  the next letter.
That next letter is not fanatically spelled.
You have to tap your five key once again.
Any one know if we can fix these problems?
Thanks.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Found two problems with jaws 17.;

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
Perhaps a clean uninstall and reinstall or at the very least a run of the 
installer file to repair might do the trick. Just a thought short of that 
perhaps a call to FS for help.
I wish you luck finding a solution it certainly sounds as though something 
is amiss there.

Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Ron Kolesar

Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 2:43 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Found two problems with jaws 17.;

Hi back you Robin.
Everytime I bring up the dictionary I receive the following error message:
jdictionMFC application has stopped working a problem caused the program to
stopped working correctly.
Windows will close and notify you if a solution is avilible.
So, that is what I  am getting when I try to use thedictionary.
I did solve my fanatic spellingproblem though.
Any thoughts on why the dicitonary will not work?
Thanks.

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 9:46 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Found two problems with jaws 17.;

Hi,
I agree it's working for me too here. And I'm not sure I understand the
meaning of the dictionary doesn't work. I've instructed JFW to pronounce a
word correctly when it didn't know how in the default dictionary and had no
problem saving and maintaining the results. If this refers to something else
I apologize in advance.
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: T. Civitello

Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 8:53 AM
To: JAWS Mailing List
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Found two problems with jaws 17.;

Phonetic spelling works correctly for me. Running Win 10 and latest Jaws.
Tom

-Original Message- 
From: Ron Kolesar

Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:13 PM
To: JAWS Mailing List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Found two problems with jaws 17.;

   Hi to all.
Has anyone else noticed the following with j 17 with win10?
1. the dictionary will not work.
2. When you tap your five key on the calculator keypad to do fanatic
spelling, it works in the following way.
You tap your five key on the first letter and it will spell fanatically for
you.
but right arrow to  the next letter.
That next letter is not fanatically spelled.
You have to tap your five key once again.
Any one know if we can fix these problems?
Thanks.
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[JAWS-Users] Finding wireless networks in w-10

[jim]

Hi Jaws Users group,
If you want to look for your wireless Network or search for another.
Press windows key+I, settings.
Right arrow to, Network and internet, press enter.
If you have a wireless connection:
The first choice wi-Fi, is already highlighted for you.
Tab one time to the list of available networks.
Your network will say, secure, connected, bla, bla, and bla.
Use the up and down arrows to see the different Networks, they will say for 
example, ATT.secure.
If you have an Ethernet connection:
Windows key+I, settings.
Right arrow to, Network and internet, press enter.
Down arrow to, Ethernet, press enter.
Tab one time to hear your Ethernet connection, should say, something like 
secure, connected your PC Ethernet connection.
I hope this helps...


Love God! with your heart, mind, and soul, that you might be blessed reaching 
His goal.
Love your Neighbor as you would yourself, God will truly reward you with good 
health.
Love God, your neighbor, as you love yourself, you will then be spiritually 
balanced with wealth.
Love His Word that proceeds from His lips, then reflect on the heavens where 
God sits.
Jim
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Found two problems with jaws 17.;

[Ron Kolesar]

Hi back you Robin.
Everytime I bring up the dictionary I receive the following error message:
jdictionMFC application has stopped working a problem caused the program to 
stopped working correctly.

Windows will close and notify you if a solution is avilible.
So, that is what I  am getting when I try to use thedictionary.
I did solve my fanatic spellingproblem though.
Any thoughts on why the dicitonary will not work?
Thanks.

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 9:46 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Found two problems with jaws 17.;

Hi,
I agree it's working for me too here. And I'm not sure I understand the
meaning of the dictionary doesn't work. I've instructed JFW to pronounce a
word correctly when it didn't know how in the default dictionary and had no
problem saving and maintaining the results. If this refers to something else
I apologize in advance.
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: T. Civitello

Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 8:53 AM
To: JAWS Mailing List
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Found two problems with jaws 17.;

Phonetic spelling works correctly for me. Running Win 10 and latest Jaws.
Tom

-Original Message- 
From: Ron Kolesar

Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:13 PM
To: JAWS Mailing List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Found two problems with jaws 17.;

   Hi to all.
Has anyone else noticed the following with j 17 with win10?
1. the dictionary will not work.
2. When you tap your five key on the calculator keypad to do fanatic
spelling, it works in the following way.
You tap your five key on the first letter and it will spell fanatically for
you.
but right arrow to  the next letter.
That next letter is not fanatically spelled.
You have to tap your five key once again.
Any one know if we can fix these problems?
Thanks.
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[JAWS-Users] Problem with JAWS 17 pronunciation dictionary.

[Tim Ford]

Just adding a descriptive subject line.

Tim Ford


-Original Message- 
From: Ron Kolesar

Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 11:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Found two problems with jaws 17.;

Hi back you Robin.
Everytime I bring up the dictionary I receive the following error message:
jdictionMFC application has stopped working a problem caused the program to
stopped working correctly.
Windows will close and notify you if a solution is avilible.
So, that is what I  am getting when I try to use thedictionary.
I did solve my fanatic spellingproblem though.
Any thoughts on why the dicitonary will not work?
Thanks.

-Original Message- 
From: Robin Frost

Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 9:46 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Found two problems with jaws 17.;

Hi,
I agree it's working for me too here. And I'm not sure I understand the
meaning of the dictionary doesn't work. I've instructed JFW to pronounce a
word correctly when it didn't know how in the default dictionary and had no
problem saving and maintaining the results. If this refers to something else
I apologize in advance.
Robin


-Original Message- 
From: T. Civitello

Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 8:53 AM
To: JAWS Mailing List
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Found two problems with jaws 17.;

Phonetic spelling works correctly for me. Running Win 10 and latest Jaws.
Tom

-Original Message- 
From: Ron Kolesar

Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:13 PM
To: JAWS Mailing List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Found two problems with jaws 17.;

   Hi to all.
Has anyone else noticed the following with j 17 with win10?
1. the dictionary will not work.
2. When you tap your five key on the calculator keypad to do fanatic
spelling, it works in the following way.
You tap your five key on the first letter and it will spell fanatically for
you.
but right arrow to  the next letter.
That next letter is not fanatically spelled.
You have to tap your five key once again.
Any one know if we can fix these problems?
Thanks.
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[JAWS-Users] setting up laptop

[Lenny McHugh]

I should have my first laptop in a few hours. To start setting it up can it 
be set that no login password is required?


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[JAWS-Users] new network more information

[Lenny McHugh]

Interesting, the network found is realtech family Ethernet. I suspect that 
is the one in my computer. Currently it is not in use. We tried to first 
trust and it again notified me that is a new network and the address keeps 
changing. Ran a virus and then malware scan and the computer is clean. I 
wonder if I would go into control panel and remove the Ethernet adaptor if 
it would stop this annoyance?


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Re: [JAWS-Users] [Bulk] if you're not ready for windows 10 bewareof windows update

[David Moore]

Hi all,
You must have JAWS 16.4350 at least to use win10. JAWS 17 is even better. If 
you have JAWS 15 or below, unfortunately, you can not even use win10. That 
is why FS strongly encourages people to keep their SMA's kept up to date. 
Have a great one.


-Original Message- 
From: Don & Cher

Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 1:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] [Bulk] if you're not ready for windows 10 bewareof 
windows update


Anna- this one came down this week on either Dec. 1 or 2.

Cher


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of anna vimini
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:22 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [Bulk] [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of
windows update

yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws 15 and windows 10 some
how down loads without your knowledge you are litterally going to be in
a mess.
could some one on the list please help me and tell me which update will
cause this dialogue to appear ? that is mentioned below so I can
uninstall it?
before I run into the same problem.
thanks in advance
Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update
Hi there,
There is no better time to up grade to win10 than now. It is twice as
fast, JAWS and NVDA work with it great, and it is much easier to
navigate. You also
have cortana which obeys your commands to do things on the computer for
you and to answer many questions. I and many many JAWS and NVDA users
have already
upgraded to win10 and love it and will never look back. Please quit
being afraid to explore the unknown. It just might be 10 times more
rewarding when
you finally get the nerve to explore and find your reward. Have a good one.

-Original Message- From: Bobb Wiley
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10,beware of
Windows Update

Thanks for the heads up on this.

I, for one, am not going to try to adapt to another operating system just
now, not if I can help it.

Bob

-Original Message- From: Don & Cher
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 8:15 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows
Update

A windows update which came down yesterday afternoon, installed Win10
without my permission. The automatic update brought up a screen about
downloading Win10. MS had downloaded Win10 months ago, but this screen made
me question what I knew. There were 2 options- "download and upgrade" and
"download but do not upgrade". I selected the last option- thinking that
either I had been mistaken about Win10 already being fully downloaded or
that the major updates to Win10 required a new download of Win10.

However, after the download, I started seeing a 'preparing to install'
message and this morning was presented with a license accept screen. I
called the accessibility desk to uninstall and hide this update. I don't
plan on installing till early spring when I will have more time. I hope no
one else will get caught unprepared as I did last night

Cher

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[JAWS-Users] new network found

[Lenny McHugh]

I just an alert that a new network is found. And it wants me to trust if a 
home network. It does not state what network is located. Now this is the 
first-time that I received that message. My grandson’s win 8.1 computer 
about 20 feet away gets that message all of the time. No matter what he 
checks it keeps popping up. Any suggestions?


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[JAWS-Users] an optional update

[anna vimini]

does anyone know what this optional update is for
KB3,112,336
I have been searching but any answer I find I do not understand these 
things seem to be over my head at times.

thanks for any help

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[JAWS-Users] Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3112343)

[Mike B]

Hi Anna,

Here you go:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3112343

Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3112343)

About this update
This update enables support for additional upgrade scenarios from Windows 7 
to Windows 10, and provides a smoother experience when you have to retry an
operating system upgrade because of certain failure conditions. This update 
also improves the ability of Microsoft to monitor the quality of the upgrade
experience.

Issues that are fixed in this update
list of 1 items
. Assume that you use Software Update agent to apply software updates or 
determine the software update compliance in System Center Configuration 
Manager
2007 R2. Windows Update agent scans client computers periodically. In this 
situation, the scan fails and generates a "Not Required" state for all 
updates.
Additionally, you receive an "8007000E" error message.

Note This issue occurs after you install
Windows Update Client for Windows 7: June 2015.
list end

Cause
This issue occurs because memory on the client computer is fragmented when 
Windows Update agent scans the client computer in System Center 
Configuration
Manager 2007 R2.

How to get this update
Important If you install a language pack after you install this update, you 
must reinstall this update. Therefore, we recommend that you install any 
language
packs that you need before you install this update. For more information, 
see
Add language packs to Windows.

Take care.
Mike
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[JAWS-Users] updates for windows 7 64based system 3,112,343

[anna vimini]

That is the one for windows 7 but I am using windows 8.1
this update came to me in a windows update and it was 3,112,336 which is 
the one for windows 8.1 and I downloaded it and I was just wondering if 
I should have or not because I do not want my system to change to 
windows 10 with out my knowing it I know you described what it is for 
below but I just want to make sure it does not do anything strange to my 
8.1 system

so far it has not.
Thanks for your description
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3112343


Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3112343)

About this update
This update enables support for additional upgrade scenarios from Windows 7
to Windows 10, and provides a smoother experience when you have to retry an
operating system upgrade because of certain failure conditions. This update
also improves the ability of Microsoft to monitor the quality of the upgrade
experience.

Issues that are fixed in this update
list of 1 items
. Assume that you use Software Update agent to apply software updates or
determine the software update compliance in System Center Configuration
Manager
2007 R2. Windows Update agent scans client computers periodically. In this
situation, the scan fails and generates a "Not Required" state for all
updates.
Additionally, you receive an "8007000E" error message.

Note This issue occurs after you install
Windows Update Client for Windows 7: June 2015.
list end

Cause
This issue occurs because memory on the client computer is fragmented when
Windows Update agent scans the client computer in System Center
Configuration
Manager 2007 R2.

How to get this update
Important If you install a language pack after you install this update, you
must reinstall this update. Therefore, we recommend that you install any
language
packs that you need before you install this update. For more information,
see
Add language packs to Windows.

Take care.
Mike
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Re: [JAWS-Users] setting up laptop

[Kevin]

yes!

-Original Message- 
From: Lenny McHugh

Sent: Friday, December 4, 2015 12:19 PM
To: JFW List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] setting up laptop

I should have my first laptop in a few hours. To start setting it up can it
be set that no login password is required?


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Re: [JAWS-Users] setting up laptop

[David Ferrin]

Absolutely.
David Ferrin
A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from 
a simpler system that worked perfectly.
- Original Message - 
From: "Lenny McHugh" 
To: "JFW List" 
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 3:19 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] setting up laptop


I should have my first laptop in a few hours. To start setting it up can it
be set that no login password is required?


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It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor

There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind

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Re: [JAWS-Users] updates for windows 7 64based system 3,112,343

[Mike B]

Hi Anna,

Click on the link below to find out what this update is about:



https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3112336
Take care.
Mike

- Original Message - 
From: anna vimini
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 2:39 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] updates for windows 7 64based system 3,112,343


That is the one for windows 7 but I am using windows 8.1
this update came to me in a windows update and it was 3,112,336 which is
the one for windows 8.1 and I downloaded it and I was just wondering if
I should have or not because I do not want my system to change to
windows 10 with out my knowing it I know you described what it is for
below but I just want to make sure it does not do anything strange to my
8.1 system
so far it has not.
Thanks for your description
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3112343


Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3112343)

About this update
This update enables support for additional upgrade scenarios from Windows 7
to Windows 10, and provides a smoother experience when you have to retry an
operating system upgrade because of certain failure conditions. This update
also improves the ability of Microsoft to monitor the quality of the upgrade
experience.

Issues that are fixed in this update
list of 1 items
. Assume that you use Software Update agent to apply software updates or
determine the software update compliance in System Center Configuration
Manager
2007 R2. Windows Update agent scans client computers periodically. In this
situation, the scan fails and generates a "Not Required" state for all
updates.
Additionally, you receive an "8007000E" error message.

Note This issue occurs after you install
Windows Update Client for Windows 7: June 2015.
list end

Cause
This issue occurs because memory on the client computer is fragmented when
Windows Update agent scans the client computer in System Center
Configuration
Manager 2007 R2.

How to get this update
Important If you install a language pack after you install this update, you
must reinstall this update. Therefore, we recommend that you install any
language
packs that you need before you install this update. For more information,
see
Add language packs to Windows.

Take care.
Mike
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Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update

[Mario]

Anna, I'm no expert, but your question made me rethink my response I was 
going to offer. kb3035583 does not provide any security patch to a 
vulnerability, it is merely an update that reminds and facilitates users 
of 7 or 8.1 to reserve the free offer of upgrading to 10. so, I think 
not having kb3035583 won't necessarily prevent the computer from being 
upgraded to windows 10. as for the upgrade being done automatically, I'm 
not sure. but heed Gerald's post about changing the settings from 
automatic to manual, and uncheck to get recommended updates. after 
7/29/16, all worries of automatically being upgraded to windows 10 
should be over, and if you're still on 7 or 8.1, it should be safe to 
return windows updates to automatic.




On 12/4/2015 1:26 PM, anna vimini wrote:

sorry Gerald I meant Mario,
Yes I remember you saying to uninstall KB 3,35,583 and I did but I left
automatic updates on.
so my question is now with that update missing will windows 10 still be
able to install without me knowing or my permission ?
Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows
update
Anna, In the past, I've suggested to uninstall KB3035583, and then hide
it upon checking for updates, but I think what Gerald is implying is
that if you
leave the settings on windows updates to be performed automatically, you
won't have any control as to what gets updated.

On 12/4/2015 12:17 PM, Jim Pursley wrote:
block quote
Updates are divided (in Win7 at least) between important and
recommended.  I never download recommended because I chinstruct Windows
to check for updates and let me decide whether to download and install.
If the Win 10 install is an important upgrade, then you'd have to go
into the details of each upgrade that is connected to the operating
system, not to your other apps like Word, Defender, etc.  There is a
link to more information.  The process can be enlightening if you care
for that kind of detail.

This said, the Win 10 income in the systems tray came as an important
update..I did not scrutinize the important updates.  And so I warily
proceed.

On 12/4/2015 2:38 PM, anna vimini wrote:
block quote
Gerald if I do that I am clue less of which windows updates I should
or shouldm't download.
this is why I was asking which windows update causes the dialogue to
that was mentioned below to appear?
Re: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows
update

To prevent Windows 10 from being installed surreptitiously on your PC
without your knowledge, go to Change Settings in the Windows Update
dialog, and in
the combo box choose the option labeled "check for updates but let me
choose whether to download and install them."  Also, uncheck the box
labeled "get
recommended updates the same way I receive important updates."

Gerald

-Original Message- From: anna vimini
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:21 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of
windows update

yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws 15 and windows 10 some
how down loads without your knowledge you are litterally going to be in
a mess.
could some one on the list please help me and tell me which update will
cause this dialogue to appear ? that is mentioned below so I can
uninstall it?
before I run into the same problem.
thanks in advance
Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update
Hi there,
There is no better time to up grade to win10 than now. It is twice as
fast, JAWS and NVDA work with it great, and it is much easier to
navigate. You also
have cortana which obeys your commands to do things on the computer for
you and to answer many questions. I and many many JAWS and NVDA users
have already
upgraded to win10 and love it and will never look back. Please quit
being afraid to explore the unknown. It just might be 10 times more
rewarding when
you finally get the nerve to explore and find your reward. Have a good
one.

-Original Message- From: Bobb Wiley
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10,beware of
Windows Update

Thanks for the heads up on this.

I, for one, am not going to try to adapt to another operating system just
now, not if I can help it.

Bob

-Original Message- From: Don & Cher
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 8:15 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows
Update

A windows update which came down yesterday afternoon, installed Win10
without my permission. The automatic update brought up a screen about
downloading Win10. MS had downloaded Win10 months ago, but this screen
made
me question what I knew. There were 2 options- "download and upgrade" and
"download but do not upgrade". I selected the last option- thinking that
either I had been mistaken about Win10 already being fully downloaded or
that the major updates to Win10 

Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update

[Hans Pauli Sundstein (Jawslist)]

Hi.

You have to goto the Windows Update, Installed updates, and remove the 
kb2952664, kb3035583, and kb3112343.
Don't restart the computer between each removal, but remove all 3 updates 
before restart.
When the computer is Restarted, goto the Windows Update, and search for 
updates, but don't install the updates, but goto the Recommended updates 
link, and see, that the just removed updates again is ready for install.
Uncheck the checkbox by each of these updates, and use the contextmenu 
button to get acces to the "Hide update".
When these 3 updates are unchecked and hided, Win10 should no longer be able 
to install automatically.


I Can't garanty, that Microsoft not later comes with a new update, that will 
try to get all Windows Users to upgrade to Win10, but let's see.


Merry Christmas to all!
Hans Pauli

-Oprindelig meddelelse- 
From: Mario

Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2015 2:24 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of 
windows update


Anna, I'm no expert, but your question made me rethink my response I was
going to offer. kb3035583 does not provide any security patch to a
vulnerability, it is merely an update that reminds and facilitates users
of 7 or 8.1 to reserve the free offer of upgrading to 10. so, I think
not having kb3035583 won't necessarily prevent the computer from being
upgraded to windows 10. as for the upgrade being done automatically, I'm
not sure. but heed Gerald's post about changing the settings from
automatic to manual, and uncheck to get recommended updates. after
7/29/16, all worries of automatically being upgraded to windows 10
should be over, and if you're still on 7 or 8.1, it should be safe to
return windows updates to automatic.



On 12/4/2015 1:26 PM, anna vimini wrote:

sorry Gerald I meant Mario,
Yes I remember you saying to uninstall KB 3,35,583 and I did but I left
automatic updates on.
so my question is now with that update missing will windows 10 still be
able to install without me knowing or my permission ?
Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows
update
Anna, In the past, I've suggested to uninstall KB3035583, and then hide
it upon checking for updates, but I think what Gerald is implying is
that if you
leave the settings on windows updates to be performed automatically, you
won't have any control as to what gets updated.

On 12/4/2015 12:17 PM, Jim Pursley wrote:
block quote
Updates are divided (in Win7 at least) between important and
recommended.  I never download recommended because I chinstruct Windows
to check for updates and let me decide whether to download and install.
If the Win 10 install is an important upgrade, then you'd have to go
into the details of each upgrade that is connected to the operating
system, not to your other apps like Word, Defender, etc.  There is a
link to more information.  The process can be enlightening if you care
for that kind of detail.

This said, the Win 10 income in the systems tray came as an important
update..I did not scrutinize the important updates.  And so I warily
proceed.

On 12/4/2015 2:38 PM, anna vimini wrote:
block quote
Gerald if I do that I am clue less of which windows updates I should
or shouldm't download.
this is why I was asking which windows update causes the dialogue to
that was mentioned below to appear?
Re: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows
update

To prevent Windows 10 from being installed surreptitiously on your PC
without your knowledge, go to Change Settings in the Windows Update
dialog, and in
the combo box choose the option labeled "check for updates but let me
choose whether to download and install them."  Also, uncheck the box
labeled "get
recommended updates the same way I receive important updates."

Gerald

-Original Message- From: anna vimini
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:21 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of
windows update

yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws 15 and windows 10 some
how down loads without your knowledge you are litterally going to be in
a mess.
could some one on the list please help me and tell me which update will
cause this dialogue to appear ? that is mentioned below so I can
uninstall it?
before I run into the same problem.
thanks in advance
Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update
Hi there,
There is no better time to up grade to win10 than now. It is twice as
fast, JAWS and NVDA work with it great, and it is much easier to
navigate. You also
have cortana which obeys your commands to do things on the computer for
you and to answer many questions. I and many many JAWS and NVDA users
have already
upgraded to win10 and love it and will never look back. Please quit
being afraid to explore the unknown. It just might be 10 times more
rewarding when
you finally get the nerve to explore and find your reward. Have 

[JAWS-Users] Activating windows defender

[Fred Adams]

I am using W10, WLM and jaws 17 and just purchased a new computer and need to 
know how to turn on windows defender.  I want to use W defender for several 
weeks until I decide what virus protection I wish to use.  I have tried several 
times to turn it on but to no avail.  I will appreciate any help.

Best wishes,

FRED C. ADAMS W4HC
US ARMY AIRBORNE RET
MARANATHA! MARANATHA!!
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[JAWS-Users] Tables in Word 2013 Date Formatting

[Bill Tipton (ML)]

Hello,
Is there a way I can format a column in a Word table so dates like 12/4/2015 
get converted to Friday, December 4, 2015
automatically? 
If yes, how can I do that using JAWS? 
FYI: I am using JAWS 17, Word 2013 on Win 7 Pro.

Thank you,
Bill



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Activating windows defender

[anwar masieh]

Dear friend, the matter of fact is that under windows 10, windows defender 
is on by default.

If you want to scan your drive, you can do it by the fololowing manner.
Press windows+x go to control panel press enter there then press shift tab 
several times you will find windows defender link press space bar & that's 
it.

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1


-Original Message- 
From: Fred Adams

Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 7:49 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Activating windows defender

I am using W10, WLM and jaws 17 and just purchased a new computer and need 
to know how to turn on windows defender.  I want to use W defender for 
several weeks until I decide what virus protection I wish to use.  I have 
tried several times to turn it on but to no avail.  I will appreciate any 
help.


Best wishes,

FRED C. ADAMS W4HC
US ARMY AIRBORNE RET
MARANATHA! MARANATHA!!
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[JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update

[anna vimini]

Yes Gerald I remember you saying that to uninstall KB3,335,583 and I did 
but I left the automatic updates on so my question is now , will windows 
update still be able to install with KB3,335,582 missing?
Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows 
update
Anna, In the past, I've suggested to uninstall KB3035583, and then hide 
it upon checking for updates, but I think what Gerald is implying is 
that if you
leave the settings on windows updates to be performed automatically, you 
won't have any control as to what gets updated.


On 12/4/2015 12:17 PM, Jim Pursley wrote:
block quote
Updates are divided (in Win7 at least) between important and
recommended.  I never download recommended because I chinstruct Windows
to check for updates and let me decide whether to download and install.
If the Win 10 install is an important upgrade, then you'd have to go
into the details of each upgrade that is connected to the operating
system, not to your other apps like Word, Defender, etc.  There is a
link to more information.  The process can be enlightening if you care
for that kind of detail.

This said, the Win 10 income in the systems tray came as an important
update..I did not scrutinize the important updates.  And so I warily
proceed.

On 12/4/2015 2:38 PM, anna vimini wrote:
block quote
Gerald if I do that I am clue less of which windows updates I should
or shouldm't download.
this is why I was asking which windows update causes the dialogue to
that was mentioned below to appear?
Re: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows
update

To prevent Windows 10 from being installed surreptitiously on your PC
without your knowledge, go to Change Settings in the Windows Update
dialog, and in
the combo box choose the option labeled "check for updates but let me
choose whether to download and install them."  Also, uncheck the box
labeled "get
recommended updates the same way I receive important updates."

Gerald

-Original Message- From: anna vimini
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:21 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of
windows update

yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws 15 and windows 10 some
how down loads without your knowledge you are litterally going to be in
a mess.
could some one on the list please help me and tell me which update will
cause this dialogue to appear ? that is mentioned below so I can
uninstall it?
before I run into the same problem.
thanks in advance
Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update
Hi there,
There is no better time to up grade to win10 than now. It is twice as
fast, JAWS and NVDA work with it great, and it is much easier to
navigate. You also
have cortana which obeys your commands to do things on the computer for
you and to answer many questions. I and many many JAWS and NVDA users
have already
upgraded to win10 and love it and will never look back. Please quit
being afraid to explore the unknown. It just might be 10 times more
rewarding when
you finally get the nerve to explore and find your reward. Have a good
one.

-Original Message- From: Bobb Wiley
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10,beware of
Windows Update

Thanks for the heads up on this.

I, for one, am not going to try to adapt to another operating system just
now, not if I can help it.

Bob

-Original Message- From: Don & Cher
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 8:15 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows
Update

A windows update which came down yesterday afternoon, installed Win10
without my permission. The automatic update brought up a screen about
downloading Win10. MS had downloaded Win10 months ago, but this screen
made
me question what I knew. There were 2 options- "download and upgrade" and
"download but do not upgrade". I selected the last option- thinking that
either I had been mistaken about Win10 already being fully downloaded or
that the major updates to Win10 required a new download of Win10.

However, after the download, I started seeing a 'preparing to install'
message and this morning was presented with a license accept screen. I
called the accessibility desk to uninstall and hide this update. I don't
plan on installing till early spring when I will have more time. I
hope no
one else will get caught unprepared as I did last night

Cher

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Re: [JAWS-Users] [Bulk] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update

[Don & Cher]

The Update being talked about downloaded on my machine either December 1 or
2.

Cher


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of anna vimini
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 1:26 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [Bulk] [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of
windows update

sorry Gerald I meant Mario,
Yes I remember you saying to uninstall KB 3,35,583 and I did but I left
automatic updates on.
so my question is now with that update missing will windows 10 still be able
to install without me knowing or my permission ?
Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows
update Anna, In the past, I've suggested to uninstall KB3035583, and then
hide it upon checking for updates, but I think what Gerald is implying is
that if you leave the settings on windows updates to be performed
automatically, you won't have any control as to what gets updated.

On 12/4/2015 12:17 PM, Jim Pursley wrote:
block quote
Updates are divided (in Win7 at least) between important and recommended.  I
never download recommended because I chinstruct Windows to check for updates
and let me decide whether to download and install.
If the Win 10 install is an important upgrade, then you'd have to go into
the details of each upgrade that is connected to the operating system, not
to your other apps like Word, Defender, etc.  There is a link to more
information.  The process can be enlightening if you care for that kind of
detail.

This said, the Win 10 income in the systems tray came as an important
update..I did not scrutinize the important updates.  And so I warily
proceed.

On 12/4/2015 2:38 PM, anna vimini wrote:
block quote
Gerald if I do that I am clue less of which windows updates I should or
shouldm't download.
this is why I was asking which windows update causes the dialogue to that
was mentioned below to appear?
Re: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update

To prevent Windows 10 from being installed surreptitiously on your PC
without your knowledge, go to Change Settings in the Windows Update dialog,
and in the combo box choose the option labeled "check for updates but let me
choose whether to download and install them."  Also, uncheck the box labeled
"get recommended updates the same way I receive important updates."

Gerald

-Original Message- From: anna vimini
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:21 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows
update

yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws 15 and windows 10 some how
down loads without your knowledge you are litterally going to be in a mess.
could some one on the list please help me and tell me which update will
cause this dialogue to appear ? that is mentioned below so I can uninstall
it?
before I run into the same problem.
thanks in advance
Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update Hi
there, There is no better time to up grade to win10 than now. It is twice as
fast, JAWS and NVDA work with it great, and it is much easier to navigate.
You also have cortana which obeys your commands to do things on the computer
for you and to answer many questions. I and many many JAWS and NVDA users
have already upgraded to win10 and love it and will never look back. Please
quit being afraid to explore the unknown. It just might be 10 times more
rewarding when you finally get the nerve to explore and find your reward.
Have a good one.

-Original Message- From: Bobb Wiley
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10,beware of Windows
Update

Thanks for the heads up on this.

I, for one, am not going to try to adapt to another operating system just
now, not if I can help it.

Bob

-Original Message- From: Don & Cher
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 8:15 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows
Update

A windows update which came down yesterday afternoon, installed Win10
without my permission. The automatic update brought up a screen about
downloading Win10. MS had downloaded Win10 months ago, but this screen made
me question what I knew. There were 2 options- "download and upgrade" and
"download but do not upgrade". I selected the last option- thinking that
either I had been mistaken about Win10 already being fully downloaded or
that the major updates to Win10 required a new download of Win10.

However, after the download, I started seeing a 'preparing to install'
message and this morning was presented with a license accept screen. I
called the accessibility desk to uninstall and hide this update. I don't
plan on installing till early spring when I will have more time. I hope no
one else will get caught unprepared as I did last night

Cher

For answers to frequently 

[JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update

[anna vimini]

sorry Gerald I meant Mario,
Yes I remember you saying to uninstall KB 3,35,583 and I did but I left 
automatic updates on.
so my question is now with that update missing will windows 10 still be 
able to install without me knowing or my permission ?
Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows 
update
Anna, In the past, I've suggested to uninstall KB3035583, and then hide 
it upon checking for updates, but I think what Gerald is implying is 
that if you
leave the settings on windows updates to be performed automatically, you 
won't have any control as to what gets updated.


On 12/4/2015 12:17 PM, Jim Pursley wrote:
block quote
Updates are divided (in Win7 at least) between important and
recommended.  I never download recommended because I chinstruct Windows
to check for updates and let me decide whether to download and install.
If the Win 10 install is an important upgrade, then you'd have to go
into the details of each upgrade that is connected to the operating
system, not to your other apps like Word, Defender, etc.  There is a
link to more information.  The process can be enlightening if you care
for that kind of detail.

This said, the Win 10 income in the systems tray came as an important
update..I did not scrutinize the important updates.  And so I warily
proceed.

On 12/4/2015 2:38 PM, anna vimini wrote:
block quote
Gerald if I do that I am clue less of which windows updates I should
or shouldm't download.
this is why I was asking which windows update causes the dialogue to
that was mentioned below to appear?
Re: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows
update

To prevent Windows 10 from being installed surreptitiously on your PC
without your knowledge, go to Change Settings in the Windows Update
dialog, and in
the combo box choose the option labeled "check for updates but let me
choose whether to download and install them."  Also, uncheck the box
labeled "get
recommended updates the same way I receive important updates."

Gerald

-Original Message- From: anna vimini
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:21 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of
windows update

yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws 15 and windows 10 some
how down loads without your knowledge you are litterally going to be in
a mess.
could some one on the list please help me and tell me which update will
cause this dialogue to appear ? that is mentioned below so I can
uninstall it?
before I run into the same problem.
thanks in advance
Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update
Hi there,
There is no better time to up grade to win10 than now. It is twice as
fast, JAWS and NVDA work with it great, and it is much easier to
navigate. You also
have cortana which obeys your commands to do things on the computer for
you and to answer many questions. I and many many JAWS and NVDA users
have already
upgraded to win10 and love it and will never look back. Please quit
being afraid to explore the unknown. It just might be 10 times more
rewarding when
you finally get the nerve to explore and find your reward. Have a good
one.

-Original Message- From: Bobb Wiley
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10,beware of
Windows Update

Thanks for the heads up on this.

I, for one, am not going to try to adapt to another operating system just
now, not if I can help it.

Bob

-Original Message- From: Don & Cher
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 8:15 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows
Update

A windows update which came down yesterday afternoon, installed Win10
without my permission. The automatic update brought up a screen about
downloading Win10. MS had downloaded Win10 months ago, but this screen
made
me question what I knew. There were 2 options- "download and upgrade" and
"download but do not upgrade". I selected the last option- thinking that
either I had been mistaken about Win10 already being fully downloaded or
that the major updates to Win10 required a new download of Win10.

However, after the download, I started seeing a 'preparing to install'
message and this morning was presented with a license accept screen. I
called the accessibility desk to uninstall and hide this update. I don't
plan on installing till early spring when I will have more time. I
hope no
one else will get caught unprepared as I did last night

Cher

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Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windowsupdate

[Gerald Levy]

As long as you don't have automatic updates selected, and you have unchecked 
the box to treat recommended updates the same way as important updates, you 
should be okay.


Gerald

-Original Message- 
From: anna vimini

Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 1:15 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of 
windowsupdate


Yes Gerald I remember you saying that to uninstall KB3,335,583 and I did
but I left the automatic updates on so my question is now , will windows
update still be able to install with KB3,335,582 missing?
Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows
update
Anna, In the past, I've suggested to uninstall KB3035583, and then hide
it upon checking for updates, but I think what Gerald is implying is
that if you
leave the settings on windows updates to be performed automatically, you
won't have any control as to what gets updated.

On 12/4/2015 12:17 PM, Jim Pursley wrote:
block quote
Updates are divided (in Win7 at least) between important and
recommended.  I never download recommended because I chinstruct Windows
to check for updates and let me decide whether to download and install.
If the Win 10 install is an important upgrade, then you'd have to go
into the details of each upgrade that is connected to the operating
system, not to your other apps like Word, Defender, etc.  There is a
link to more information.  The process can be enlightening if you care
for that kind of detail.

This said, the Win 10 income in the systems tray came as an important
update..I did not scrutinize the important updates.  And so I warily
proceed.

On 12/4/2015 2:38 PM, anna vimini wrote:
block quote
Gerald if I do that I am clue less of which windows updates I should
or shouldm't download.
this is why I was asking which windows update causes the dialogue to
that was mentioned below to appear?
Re: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows
update

To prevent Windows 10 from being installed surreptitiously on your PC
without your knowledge, go to Change Settings in the Windows Update
dialog, and in
the combo box choose the option labeled "check for updates but let me
choose whether to download and install them."  Also, uncheck the box
labeled "get
recommended updates the same way I receive important updates."

Gerald

-Original Message- From: anna vimini
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:21 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of
windows update

yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws 15 and windows 10 some
how down loads without your knowledge you are litterally going to be in
a mess.
could some one on the list please help me and tell me which update will
cause this dialogue to appear ? that is mentioned below so I can
uninstall it?
before I run into the same problem.
thanks in advance
Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update
Hi there,
There is no better time to up grade to win10 than now. It is twice as
fast, JAWS and NVDA work with it great, and it is much easier to
navigate. You also
have cortana which obeys your commands to do things on the computer for
you and to answer many questions. I and many many JAWS and NVDA users
have already
upgraded to win10 and love it and will never look back. Please quit
being afraid to explore the unknown. It just might be 10 times more
rewarding when
you finally get the nerve to explore and find your reward. Have a good
one.

-Original Message- From: Bobb Wiley
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10,beware of
Windows Update

Thanks for the heads up on this.

I, for one, am not going to try to adapt to another operating system just
now, not if I can help it.

Bob

-Original Message- From: Don & Cher
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 8:15 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows
Update

A windows update which came down yesterday afternoon, installed Win10
without my permission. The automatic update brought up a screen about
downloading Win10. MS had downloaded Win10 months ago, but this screen
made
me question what I knew. There were 2 options- "download and upgrade" and
"download but do not upgrade". I selected the last option- thinking that
either I had been mistaken about Win10 already being fully downloaded or
that the major updates to Win10 required a new download of Win10.

However, after the download, I started seeing a 'preparing to install'
message and this morning was presented with a license accept screen. I
called the accessibility desk to uninstall and hide this update. I don't
plan on installing till early spring when I will have more time. I
hope no
one else will get caught unprepared as I did last night

Cher

For answers to frequently asked questions about this list 

Re: [JAWS-Users] [Bulk] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update

[Don & Cher]

The pop-up window which appeared after the windows update fooled me into
thinking that either Win10 had not really been correctly downloaded or that
this download was for the updated Win10, so therefore I needed it. I went
into the systray Win10 icon, but could not see the message that Win10 was
downloaded- which I found when Win10 was automatically downloaded by
Microsoft. The bad thing was that apparently no matter which option you
choose, if you agree to download, Win10 will start installing immediately
when the download completes.

Cher



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of anna vimini
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 1:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [Bulk] [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of
windows update

Yes Gerald I remember you saying that to uninstall KB3,335,583 and I did but
I left the automatic updates on so my question is now , will windows update
still be able to install with KB3,335,582 missing?
Re: [JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows
update Anna, In the past, I've suggested to uninstall KB3035583, and then
hide it upon checking for updates, but I think what Gerald is implying is
that if you leave the settings on windows updates to be performed
automatically, you won't have any control as to what gets updated.

On 12/4/2015 12:17 PM, Jim Pursley wrote:
block quote
Updates are divided (in Win7 at least) between important and recommended.  I
never download recommended because I chinstruct Windows to check for updates
and let me decide whether to download and install.
If the Win 10 install is an important upgrade, then you'd have to go into
the details of each upgrade that is connected to the operating system, not
to your other apps like Word, Defender, etc.  There is a link to more
information.  The process can be enlightening if you care for that kind of
detail.

This said, the Win 10 income in the systems tray came as an important
update..I did not scrutinize the important updates.  And so I warily
proceed.

On 12/4/2015 2:38 PM, anna vimini wrote:
block quote
Gerald if I do that I am clue less of which windows updates I should or
shouldm't download.
this is why I was asking which windows update causes the dialogue to that
was mentioned below to appear?
Re: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update

To prevent Windows 10 from being installed surreptitiously on your PC
without your knowledge, go to Change Settings in the Windows Update dialog,
and in the combo box choose the option labeled "check for updates but let me
choose whether to download and install them."  Also, uncheck the box labeled
"get recommended updates the same way I receive important updates."

Gerald

-Original Message- From: anna vimini
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:21 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of windows
update

yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws 15 and windows 10 some how
down loads without your knowledge you are litterally going to be in a mess.
could some one on the list please help me and tell me which update will
cause this dialogue to appear ? that is mentioned below so I can uninstall
it?
before I run into the same problem.
thanks in advance
Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update Hi
there, There is no better time to up grade to win10 than now. It is twice as
fast, JAWS and NVDA work with it great, and it is much easier to navigate.
You also have cortana which obeys your commands to do things on the computer
for you and to answer many questions. I and many many JAWS and NVDA users
have already upgraded to win10 and love it and will never look back. Please
quit being afraid to explore the unknown. It just might be 10 times more
rewarding when you finally get the nerve to explore and find your reward.
Have a good one.

-Original Message- From: Bobb Wiley
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10,beware of Windows
Update

Thanks for the heads up on this.

I, for one, am not going to try to adapt to another operating system just
now, not if I can help it.

Bob

-Original Message- From: Don & Cher
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 8:15 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows
Update

A windows update which came down yesterday afternoon, installed Win10
without my permission. The automatic update brought up a screen about
downloading Win10. MS had downloaded Win10 months ago, but this screen made
me question what I knew. There were 2 options- "download and upgrade" and
"download but do not upgrade". I selected the last option- thinking that
either I had been mistaken about Win10 already being fully downloaded or
that the major updates to 

Re: [JAWS-Users] [Bulk] if you're not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update

[Don & Cher]

Anna- this one came down this week on either Dec. 1 or 2.

Cher


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of anna vimini
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:22 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [Bulk] [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of
windows update

yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws 15 and windows 10 some 
how down loads without your knowledge you are litterally going to be in 
a mess.
could some one on the list please help me and tell me which update will 
cause this dialogue to appear ? that is mentioned below so I can 
uninstall it?
before I run into the same problem.
thanks in advance
Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update
Hi there,
There is no better time to up grade to win10 than now. It is twice as 
fast, JAWS and NVDA work with it great, and it is much easier to 
navigate. You also
have cortana which obeys your commands to do things on the computer for 
you and to answer many questions. I and many many JAWS and NVDA users 
have already
upgraded to win10 and love it and will never look back. Please quit 
being afraid to explore the unknown. It just might be 10 times more 
rewarding when
you finally get the nerve to explore and find your reward. Have a good one.

-Original Message- From: Bobb Wiley
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10,beware of 
Windows Update

Thanks for the heads up on this.

I, for one, am not going to try to adapt to another operating system just
now, not if I can help it.

Bob

-Original Message- From: Don & Cher
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 8:15 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows
Update

A windows update which came down yesterday afternoon, installed Win10
without my permission. The automatic update brought up a screen about
downloading Win10. MS had downloaded Win10 months ago, but this screen made
me question what I knew. There were 2 options- "download and upgrade" and
"download but do not upgrade". I selected the last option- thinking that
either I had been mistaken about Win10 already being fully downloaded or
that the major updates to Win10 required a new download of Win10.

However, after the download, I started seeing a 'preparing to install'
message and this morning was presented with a license accept screen. I
called the accessibility desk to uninstall and hide this update. I don't
plan on installing till early spring when I will have more time. I hope no
one else will get caught unprepared as I did last night

Cher

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[JAWS-Users] if you are not ready for windows 10 beware of windows update

[anna vimini]

Thanks Donny I think I know which one it is but I am not quite sure.
since I am using windows 8.1 I think it is 3,112,336
but I can not be quite sure because it has not put a message in my 
system tray like yours did. as of yet.
but I have a feeling that it will not do anything because I got rid of 
the update that started this whole mess in the first place which was 
KB3,035,583

I will keep an eye on it anyway
Thanks again
Re: [JAWS-Users] [Bulk] if you're not ready for windows 10 beware of 
windows update

Anna- this one came down this week on either Dec. 1 or 2.

Cher


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [
mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On
Behalf Of anna vimini
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 10:22 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com

Subject: [Bulk] [JAWS-Users] if your not ready for windows 10 beware of
windows update

yes that is all fine but if you are running jaws 15 and windows 10 some
how down loads without your knowledge you are litterally going to be in
a mess.
could some one on the list please help me and tell me which update will
cause this dialogue to appear ? that is mentioned below so I can
uninstall it?
before I run into the same problem.
thanks in advance
Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows Update
Hi there,
There is no better time to up grade to win10 than now. It is twice as
fast, JAWS and NVDA work with it great, and it is much easier to
navigate. You also
have cortana which obeys your commands to do things on the computer for
you and to answer many questions. I and many many JAWS and NVDA users
have already
upgraded to win10 and love it and will never look back. Please quit
being afraid to explore the unknown. It just might be 10 times more
rewarding when
you finally get the nerve to explore and find your reward. Have a good one.

-Original Message- From: Bobb Wiley
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 10:02 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com

Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10,beware of
Windows Update

Thanks for the heads up on this.

I, for one, am not going to try to adapt to another operating system just
now, not if I can help it.

Bob

-Original Message- From: Don & Cher
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 8:15 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com

Subject: [JAWS-Users] If you're not ready for Win10, beware of Windows
Update

A windows update which came down yesterday afternoon, installed Win10
without my permission. The automatic update brought up a screen about
downloading Win10. MS had downloaded Win10 months ago, but this screen made
me question what I knew. There were 2 options- "download and upgrade" and
"download but do not upgrade". I selected the last option- thinking that
either I had been mistaken about Win10 already being fully downloaded or
that the major updates to Win10 required a new download of Win10.

However, after the download, I started seeing a 'preparing to install'
message and this morning was presented with a license accept screen. I
called the accessibility desk to uninstall and hide this update. I don't
plan on installing till early spring when I will have more time. I hope no
one else will get caught unprepared as I did last night

Cher

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