Re: [JAWS-Users] hover for circular

[Adrian Spratt]

Lenny, this sounds like a mouseover verbalization. Maybe try control-JAWS 
key-enter to invoke the mouseover command. 

-Original Message-
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Of Lenny McHugh
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 11:15 PM
To: JFW List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] hover for circular

I just noticed that our local news paper has some adds from local 
businesses. When you go to these jaws reads hover for circular. How do you 
activate it or am I having the same problem trying to open some links.


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[JAWS-Users] hover for circular

[Lenny McHugh]

I just noticed that our local news paper has some adds from local 
businesses. When you go to these jaws reads hover for circular. How do you 
activate it or am I having the same problem trying to open some links.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

[Louise Johnson]

Hi Tom, and others I also don't like it saying it as I wonder why it is. I
wonder if we copy the information into Note Pad would it stop this habbit.
Louise and princess Kiara 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: June 1, 2016 3:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

As noted in my most recent post, the problem apparently is not new in Jaws
17, since I find it in Jaws 16 as well.

Once again, I'm using Word 2016 and Outlook 2016 in Office 365 here.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

Most of the time we complain about JAWS not speaking enough. This may be a
case of JAWS seeing and talking too much, new in 17.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 6:24 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
> I can do this, but I'd like to keep some punctuation in documents if 
> possible for basic editing.
>
> As I think I might have said before, I've always used the some 
> punctuation setting in the past with previous versions of Word, 
> Outlook, and Jaws with no issues like this.
>
> Tom Behler
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:36 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>
> How about trying no punctuation, though that may not be desirable either.
>
>
> Maria Campbell
> luc...@gmail.com
>
> When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will 
> know peace.
> --Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
>
> On 6/1/2016 5:27 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
>> Will certainly do that if others on the list have no suggestions that 
>> seem to be working.
>>
>> Very anoying.
>>
>> Tom Behler
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:21 PM
>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>
>> Ask FS about how to stop it.
>>
>>
>> Maria Campbell
>> luc...@gmail.com
>>
>> When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will 
>> know peace.
>> --Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
>>
>> On 6/1/2016 5:18 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
>>> Well, this is very disconcerting, to say the least, because it 
>>> really gets in the way of efficiently navigating documents.
>>>
>>> Tom Behler
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: JAWS-Users-List 
>>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Kimsan
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:13 PM
>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>>
>>> There was a recent discussion on this and the general kensensus was 
>>> that there is no way to silence the culprit.
>>> As far as what it is, if memory serves this dude from the list 
>>> researched and don't quote me if I'm incorrect but it's a separator
line.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: JAWS-Users-List 
>>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 2:09 PM
>>> To: Jaws users list 
>>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>>
>>> Hello, everyone.
>>>
>>> As some of you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and 
>>> running on a fairly new Windows 7 laptop.  I am using the latest 
>>> build of
>> Jaws 17.
>>> I have noticed that in many e-mails, and especially in Microsoft 
>>> Word documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate 
>>> whatever it is I'm reading.
>>>
>>> I don't recall encountering  this behavior in the previous versions 
>>> of Outlook and Word that I have used.
>>>
>>> How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?
>>>
>>> As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very 
>>> distracting.
>>>
>>> Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>>>
>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
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>>>
>>>
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>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>>
>>
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>> 

Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

[Adrian Spratt]

Tom,

I'm afraid I was rushing when I posted earlier.

Now that I've figured out how to create a vertical tab and tried to copy it 
into the JAWS dictionary, I believe the method Vickie set forth doesn't work. 
The dictionary doesn't seem to recognize the vertical tab character with this 
method. At least, I can't get it to.

Fortunately, Brian has explained another method that looks as though it works. 
How he got there is beyond me!

For the record, to create the ASCII symbol vertical tab, press num lock to 
"on." then press and hold the alt key while quickly pressing 011 on the numpad. 
Release the alt key and press the numpad key to "off" in order to restore full 
JAWS functioning.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 8:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

Adrian:

I'm  not sure where to get the ascii alt 11 character?

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 7:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

The vertical tab creates a new line without creating a new paragraph.
According to something I found via google, it is ASCII character alt 11.
However, when I pressed alt 11, I got the so-called male symbol. 

I think Vickie has the right answer for suppressing the verbalization. Copy
the symbol from the document, then paste it into the first field of the JAWS
dictionary, etc.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Annette Carr
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

The vertical tab is not punctuation.  It is more like a formatting notation.
I'm yet to figure out the difference between a vertical tab and a hard
return, and why is the vertical tab sometimes announced  by JAWS17 and other
times it is not.  I cannot confirm if this is a feature of JAWS17, or some
change in Microsoft.

The only place where the announcement of the vertical tab behavior has been
consistent has been in PowerPoint 2010.  When tabbing from object to object
on a slide in design mode, if there is a hard return at the end of text,
JAWS will only announce the vertical tab when you first tab to that object.
Once you press Enter to edit the contents of that object, the vertical tab
is no longer announced.

Annette


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

How about trying no punctuation, though that may not be desirable either.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 5:27 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
> Will certainly do that if others on the list have no suggestions that 
> seem to be working.
>
> Very annoying.
>
> Tom Behler
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:21 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>
> Ask FS about how to stop it.
>
>
> Maria Campbell
> luc...@gmail.com
>
> When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will 
> know peace.
> --Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
>
> On 6/1/2016 5:18 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
>> Well, this is very disconcerting, to say the least, because it really 
>> gets in the way of efficiently navigating documents.
>>
>> Tom Behler
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>> On Behalf Of Kimsan
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:13 PM
>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>
>> There was a recent discussion on this and the general consensus was 
>> that there is no way to silence the culprit.
>> As far as what it is, if memory serves this dude from the list 
>> researched and don't quote me if I'm incorrect but it's a separator line.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 2:09 PM
>> To: Jaws users list 
>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>
>> Hello, everyone.
>>
>> As some of you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and 
>> running on a fairly new Windows 7 laptop.  I am 

Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

[Brian Lee]

Hello Tom,

 

The following steps should work:

 

1.   Press JAWS key with D to bring up the dictionary manager.

2.   Use CTRL with Shift and D to load the default dictionary manager.

3.   Tab to the tree view and press E for English.

4.   Expand the English option by using right arrow key.

5.   Use down arrow key and find the appropriate synthesizer.  You can
also press E for Eloquence, V for ?Vocalizer, V until you find Vocalizer
Expressive, etc.

6.   Use right arrow to open the appropriate synthesizer item.

7.   Press a backslash key until you find a backslash followed by 011.
JAWS should tell you that this equals Vertical Tab.  

8.   Tab to the Change button and press spacebar.

9.   In the Actual Word field should be the \011.  Tab to the
Replacement Word field and press spacebar one time.  

10.   Tab to OK and use spacebar.

11.   Use CTRL with S to save changes.

12.   Close the window using Alt with F4.

13.   You might or might not need to restart JAWS. 

 

The above worked for me using a Vocalizer Expressive profile.  

 

Take care.

 

Brian Lee

brianl...@charter.net

 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 2:09 PM
To: Jaws users list 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

 

Hello, everyone.

 

As some of you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and running on a
fairly new Windows 7 laptop.  I am using the latest build of Jaws 17.

 

I have noticed that in many e-mails, and especially in Microsoft Word
documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate whatever it is
I'm reading.

 

I don't recall encountering  this behavior in the previous versions of
Outlook and Word that I have used.

 

How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?

 

As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
distracting.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

[Tom Behler]

Maria:

I turned text analyzer on, but nothing changed, other than the fact that I
got an interesting sound when certain characters were identified.

So, I have turned it off again.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 8:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

What have you got to lose by turning text analyzer on just to see?  You can
turn it back off if it does nothing.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 8:15 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
> Maria:
>
> I turned smart reading off and on, with no change.
>
> Text analyzer was off, so I kept it that way.
>
> Tom Behler
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Maria Campbell
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:53 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>
> You might try experimenting with smart reading and text analyzer on/off in
> the insert V menu in Outlook and Word.
>
>
> Maria Campbell
> luc...@gmail.com
>
> When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
> peace.
> --Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
>
> On 6/1/2016 6:33 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
>> As noted in my most recent post, the problem apparently is not new in
Jaws
>> 17, since I find it in Jaws 16 as well.
>>
>> Once again, I'm using Word 2016 and Outlook 2016 in Office 365 here.
>>
>> Tom Behler
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
>> Behalf Of Maria Campbell
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:29 PM
>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>
>> Most of the time we complain about JAWS not speaking enough. This may be
a
>> case of JAWS seeing and talking too much, new in 17.
>>
>>
>> Maria Campbell
>> luc...@gmail.com
>>
>> When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
>> peace.
>> --Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
>>
>> On 6/1/2016 6:24 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
>>> I can do this, but I'd like to keep some punctuation in documents if
>>> possible for basic editing.
>>>
>>> As I think I might have said before, I've always used the some
> punctuation
>>> setting in the past with previous versions of Word, Outlook, and Jaws
> with
>>> no issues like this.
>>>
>>> Tom Behler
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Maria Campbell
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:36 PM
>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>>
>>> How about trying no punctuation, though that may not be desirable
either.
>>>
>>>
>>> Maria Campbell
>>> luc...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
>>> peace.
>>> --Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
>>>
>>> On 6/1/2016 5:27 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
 Will certainly do that if others on the list have no suggestions that
 seem to be working.

 Very anoying.

 Tom Behler


 -Original Message-
 From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
 On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
 Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:21 PM
 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

 Ask FS about how to stop it.


 Maria Campbell
 luc...@gmail.com

 When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will
 know peace.
 --Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

 On 6/1/2016 5:18 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
> Well, this is very disconcerting, to say the least, because it really
> gets in the way of efficiently navigating documents.
>
> Tom Behler
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
> On Behalf Of Kimsan
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:13 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>
> There was a recent discussion on this and the general kensensus was
> that there is no way to silence the culprit.
> As far as what it is, if memory serves this dude from the list
> researched and don't quote me if I'm incorrect but it's a separator
>> line.
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 2:09 PM
> To: Jaws users list 
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] 

Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

[Tom Behler]

Adrian:

I'm  not sure where to get the ascii alt 11 character?

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 7:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

The vertical tab creates a new line without creating a new paragraph.
According to something I found via google, it is ASCII character alt 11.
However, when I pressed alt 11, I got the so-called male symbol. 

I think Vickie has the right answer for suppressing the verbalization. Copy
the symbol from the document, then paste it into the first field of the JAWS
dictionary, etc.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Annette Carr
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

The vertical tab is not punctuation.  It is more like a formatting notation.
I'm yet to figure out the difference between a vertical tab and a hard
return, and why is the vertical tab sometimes announced  by JAWS17 and other
times it is not.  I cannot confirm if this is a feature of JAWS17, or some
change in Microsoft.

The only place where the announcement of the vertical tab behavior has been
consistent has been in PowerPoint 2010.  When tabbing from object to object
on a slide in design mode, if there is a hard return at the end of text,
JAWS will only announce the vertical tab when you first tab to that object.
Once you press Enter to edit the contents of that object, the vertical tab
is no longer announced.

Annette


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

How about trying no punctuation, though that may not be desirable either.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 5:27 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
> Will certainly do that if others on the list have no suggestions that 
> seem to be working.
>
> Very annoying.
>
> Tom Behler
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:21 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>
> Ask FS about how to stop it.
>
>
> Maria Campbell
> luc...@gmail.com
>
> When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will 
> know peace.
> --Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
>
> On 6/1/2016 5:18 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
>> Well, this is very disconcerting, to say the least, because it really 
>> gets in the way of efficiently navigating documents.
>>
>> Tom Behler
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>> On Behalf Of Kimsan
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:13 PM
>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>
>> There was a recent discussion on this and the general consensus was 
>> that there is no way to silence the culprit.
>> As far as what it is, if memory serves this dude from the list 
>> researched and don't quote me if I'm incorrect but it's a separator line.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 2:09 PM
>> To: Jaws users list 
>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>
>> Hello, everyone.
>>
>> As some of you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and 
>> running on a fairly new Windows 7 laptop.  I am using the latest 
>> build of
> Jaws 17.
>> I have noticed that in many e-mails, and especially in Microsoft Word 
>> documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate whatever 
>> it is I'm reading.
>>
>> I don't recall encountering  this behavior in the previous versions 
>> of Outlook and Word that I have used.
>>
>> How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?
>>
>> As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very 
>> distracting.
>>
>> Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan
>>
>>
>>
>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>>
>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>>
>>
>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>
>
> 

Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

[Tom Behler]

Interesting, Jim.

I am using Windows 7 with Jaws 17 here.

I have noticed that the vertical tabs do not seem to be announced in older
Word files that have been prepared in Word 2003, 2007, or 2010.  Same goes
for e-mails that have been prepared in earlier versions of Outlook.

Tom Behler

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Jim Flusche
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 7:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

Hi Tom, using office 365 with Jaws 17 on a W-10 computer, I am not hearing
the vertical tabs with jaws.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

As noted in my most recent post, the problem apparently is not new in Jaws
17, since I find it in Jaws 16 as well.

Once again, I'm using Word 2016 and Outlook 2016 in Office 365 here.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

Most of the time we complain about JAWS not speaking enough. This may be a
case of JAWS seeing and talking too much, new in 17.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 6:24 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
> I can do this, but I'd like to keep some punctuation in documents if 
> possible for basic editing.
>
> As I think I might have said before, I've always used the some 
> punctuation setting in the past with previous versions of Word, 
> Outlook, and Jaws with no issues like this.
>
> Tom Behler
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:36 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>
> How about trying no punctuation, though that may not be desirable either.
>
>
> Maria Campbell
> luc...@gmail.com
>
> When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will 
> know peace.
> --Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
>
> On 6/1/2016 5:27 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
>> Will certainly do that if others on the list have no suggestions that 
>> seem to be working.
>>
>> Very anoying.
>>
>> Tom Behler
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:21 PM
>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>
>> Ask FS about how to stop it.
>>
>>
>> Maria Campbell
>> luc...@gmail.com
>>
>> When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will 
>> know peace.
>> --Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
>>
>> On 6/1/2016 5:18 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
>>> Well, this is very disconcerting, to say the least, because it 
>>> really gets in the way of efficiently navigating documents.
>>>
>>> Tom Behler
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: JAWS-Users-List
>>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Kimsan
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:13 PM
>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>>
>>> There was a recent discussion on this and the general kensensus was 
>>> that there is no way to silence the culprit.
>>> As far as what it is, if memory serves this dude from the list 
>>> researched and don't quote me if I'm incorrect but it's a separator
line.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: JAWS-Users-List
>>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 2:09 PM
>>> To: Jaws users list 
>>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>>
>>> Hello, everyone.
>>>
>>> As some of you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and 
>>> running on a fairly new Windows 7 laptop.  I am using the latest 
>>> build of
>> Jaws 17.
>>> I have noticed that in many e-mails, and especially in Microsoft 
>>> Word documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate 
>>> whatever it is I'm reading.
>>>
>>> I don't recall encountering  this behavior in the previous versions 
>>> of Outlook and Word that I have used.
>>>
>>> How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?
>>>
>>> As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very 
>>> distracting.
>>>
>>> Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For answers to frequently 

Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

[Maria Campbell]

What have you got to lose by turning text analyzer on just to see?  You 
can turn it back off if it does nothing.



Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 8:15 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Maria:

I turned smart reading off and on, with no change.

Text analyzer was off, so I kept it that way.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:53 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

You might try experimenting with smart reading and text analyzer on/off in
the insert V menu in Outlook and Word.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 6:33 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

As noted in my most recent post, the problem apparently is not new in Jaws
17, since I find it in Jaws 16 as well.

Once again, I'm using Word 2016 and Outlook 2016 in Office 365 here.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

Most of the time we complain about JAWS not speaking enough. This may be a
case of JAWS seeing and talking too much, new in 17.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 6:24 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

I can do this, but I'd like to keep some punctuation in documents if
possible for basic editing.

As I think I might have said before, I've always used the some

punctuation

setting in the past with previous versions of Word, Outlook, and Jaws

with

no issues like this.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

How about trying no punctuation, though that may not be desirable either.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 5:27 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Will certainly do that if others on the list have no suggestions that
seem to be working.

Very anoying.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:21 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

Ask FS about how to stop it.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will
know peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 5:18 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Well, this is very disconcerting, to say the least, because it really
gets in the way of efficiently navigating documents.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

There was a recent discussion on this and the general kensensus was
that there is no way to silence the culprit.
As far as what it is, if memory serves this dude from the list
researched and don't quote me if I'm incorrect but it's a separator

line.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 2:09 PM
To: Jaws users list 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

Hello, everyone.

As some of you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and
running on a fairly new Windows 7 laptop.  I am using the latest
build of

Jaws 17.

I have noticed that in many e-mails, and especially in Microsoft Word
documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate whatever
it is I'm reading.

I don't recall encountering  this behavior in the previous versions
of Outlook and Word that I have used.

How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they

are?

As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
distracting.

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan



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Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

[Tom Behler]

But, wouldn't I have to do this for each document individually?

I was hoping to find a global setting somewhere.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Vicky Vaughan
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 7:10 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

Hi, I think if you find one of these Vertical Tabs, Copy it to Clip Board,
Go to the Jaws window, Go under Utilities and then under dictionaries and
press the space bar on Add and then paste it in with Control V, then press
Tab, to the Replace With, and just either leave it empty or press the space
bar there.
Don't forget to save this addition with Control S.

HTH Vicky

-Original Message-
From: Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:21 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

Ask FS about how to stop it.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 5:18 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
> Well, this is very disconcerting, to say the least, because it really 
> gets in the way of efficiently navigating documents.
>
> Tom Behler
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
> On Behalf Of Kimsan
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:13 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>
> There was a recent discussion on this and the general kensensus was 
> that there is no way to silence the culprit.
> As far as what it is, if memory serves this dude from the list 
> researched and don't quote me if I'm incorrect but it's a separator line.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 2:09 PM
> To: Jaws users list 
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>
> Hello, everyone.
>
> As some of you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and 
> running on a fairly new Windows 7 laptop.  I am using the latest build 
> of Jaws 17.
>
> I have noticed that in many e-mails, and especially in Microsoft Word 
> documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate whatever it 
> is I'm reading.
>
> I don't recall encountering  this behavior in the previous versions of 
> Outlook and Word that I have used.
>
> How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?
>
> As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very 
> distracting.
>
> Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan
>
>
>
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>
>
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

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Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

[Tom Behler]

Maria:

I turned smart reading off and on, with no change.

Text analyzer was off, so I kept it that way.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:53 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

You might try experimenting with smart reading and text analyzer on/off in
the insert V menu in Outlook and Word.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 6:33 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
> As noted in my most recent post, the problem apparently is not new in Jaws
> 17, since I find it in Jaws 16 as well.
>
> Once again, I'm using Word 2016 and Outlook 2016 in Office 365 here.
>
> Tom Behler
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Maria Campbell
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:29 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>
> Most of the time we complain about JAWS not speaking enough. This may be a
> case of JAWS seeing and talking too much, new in 17.
>
>
> Maria Campbell
> luc...@gmail.com
>
> When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
> peace.
> --Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
>
> On 6/1/2016 6:24 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
>> I can do this, but I'd like to keep some punctuation in documents if
>> possible for basic editing.
>>
>> As I think I might have said before, I've always used the some
punctuation
>> setting in the past with previous versions of Word, Outlook, and Jaws
with
>> no issues like this.
>>
>> Tom Behler
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
>> Behalf Of Maria Campbell
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:36 PM
>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>
>> How about trying no punctuation, though that may not be desirable either.
>>
>>
>> Maria Campbell
>> luc...@gmail.com
>>
>> When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
>> peace.
>> --Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
>>
>> On 6/1/2016 5:27 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
>>> Will certainly do that if others on the list have no suggestions that
>>> seem to be working.
>>>
>>> Very anoying.
>>>
>>> Tom Behler
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:21 PM
>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>>
>>> Ask FS about how to stop it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Maria Campbell
>>> luc...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will
>>> know peace.
>>> --Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
>>>
>>> On 6/1/2016 5:18 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
 Well, this is very disconcerting, to say the least, because it really
 gets in the way of efficiently navigating documents.

 Tom Behler


 -Original Message-
 From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
 On Behalf Of Kimsan
 Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:13 PM
 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

 There was a recent discussion on this and the general kensensus was
 that there is no way to silence the culprit.
 As far as what it is, if memory serves this dude from the list
 researched and don't quote me if I'm incorrect but it's a separator
> line.
 -Original Message-
 From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
 On Behalf Of Tom Behler
 Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 2:09 PM
 To: Jaws users list 
 Subject: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

 Hello, everyone.

 As some of you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and
 running on a fairly new Windows 7 laptop.  I am using the latest
 build of
>>> Jaws 17.
 I have noticed that in many e-mails, and especially in Microsoft Word
 documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate whatever
 it is I'm reading.

 I don't recall encountering  this behavior in the previous versions
 of Outlook and Word that I have used.

 How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they
are?

 As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
 distracting.

 Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan



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 http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

 For answers to frequently asked 

Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

[Adrian Spratt]

The vertical tab creates a new line without creating a new paragraph. According 
to something I found via google, it is ASCII character alt 11. However, when I 
pressed alt 11, I got the so-called male symbol. 

I think Vickie has the right answer for suppressing the verbalization. Copy the 
symbol from the document, then paste it into the first field of the JAWS 
dictionary, etc.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Annette Carr
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

The vertical tab is not punctuation.  It is more like a formatting notation.
I'm yet to figure out the difference between a vertical tab and a hard
return, and why is the vertical tab sometimes announced  by JAWS17 and other
times it is not.  I cannot confirm if this is a feature of JAWS17, or some
change in Microsoft.

The only place where the announcement of the vertical tab behavior has been
consistent has been in PowerPoint 2010.  When tabbing from object to object
on a slide in design mode, if there is a hard return at the end of text,
JAWS will only announce the vertical tab when you first tab to that object.
Once you press Enter to edit the contents of that object, the vertical tab
is no longer announced.

Annette


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

How about trying no punctuation, though that may not be desirable either.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 5:27 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
> Will certainly do that if others on the list have no suggestions that 
> seem to be working.
>
> Very annoying.
>
> Tom Behler
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:21 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>
> Ask FS about how to stop it.
>
>
> Maria Campbell
> luc...@gmail.com
>
> When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will 
> know peace.
> --Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
>
> On 6/1/2016 5:18 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
>> Well, this is very disconcerting, to say the least, because it really 
>> gets in the way of efficiently navigating documents.
>>
>> Tom Behler
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>> On Behalf Of Kimsan
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:13 PM
>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>
>> There was a recent discussion on this and the general consensus was 
>> that there is no way to silence the culprit.
>> As far as what it is, if memory serves this dude from the list 
>> researched and don't quote me if I'm incorrect but it's a separator line.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 2:09 PM
>> To: Jaws users list 
>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>
>> Hello, everyone.
>>
>> As some of you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and 
>> running on a fairly new Windows 7 laptop.  I am using the latest 
>> build of
> Jaws 17.
>> I have noticed that in many e-mails, and especially in Microsoft Word 
>> documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate whatever 
>> it is I'm reading.
>>
>> I don't recall encountering  this behavior in the previous versions 
>> of Outlook and Word that I have used.
>>
>> How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?
>>
>> As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very 
>> distracting.
>>
>> Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan
>>
>>
>>
>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>>
>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>>
>>
>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>
>
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

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Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

[Jim Flusche]

Yes Tom, my Jaws is set to read some, punctuation as well. I am not sure why
you are hearing the vertical tab from Jaws while in outlook or word 2016, I
am not hearing that from Jaws 17.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:25 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

I can do this, but I'd like to keep some punctuation in documents if
possible for basic editing.

As I think I might have said before, I've always used the some punctuation
setting in the past with previous versions of Word, Outlook, and Jaws with
no issues like this.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

How about trying no punctuation, though that may not be desirable either.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 5:27 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
> Will certainly do that if others on the list have no suggestions that 
> seem to be working.
>
> Very anoying.
>
> Tom Behler
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:21 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>
> Ask FS about how to stop it.
>
>
> Maria Campbell
> luc...@gmail.com
>
> When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will 
> know peace.
> --Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
>
> On 6/1/2016 5:18 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
>> Well, this is very disconcerting, to say the least, because it really 
>> gets in the way of efficiently navigating documents.
>>
>> Tom Behler
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>> On Behalf Of Kimsan
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:13 PM
>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>
>> There was a recent discussion on this and the general kensensus was 
>> that there is no way to silence the culprit.
>> As far as what it is, if memory serves this dude from the list 
>> researched and don't quote me if I'm incorrect but it's a separator line.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 2:09 PM
>> To: Jaws users list 
>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>
>> Hello, everyone.
>>
>> As some of you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and 
>> running on a fairly new Windows 7 laptop.  I am using the latest 
>> build of
> Jaws 17.
>> I have noticed that in many e-mails, and especially in Microsoft Word 
>> documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate whatever 
>> it is I'm reading.
>>
>> I don't recall encountering  this behavior in the previous versions 
>> of Outlook and Word that I have used.
>>
>> How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?
>>
>> As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very 
>> distracting.
>>
>> Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan
>>
>>
>>
>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>>
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>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>>
>>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

[Jim Flusche]

Hi Tom, using office 365 with Jaws 17 on a W-10 computer, I am not hearing
the vertical tabs with jaws.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

As noted in my most recent post, the problem apparently is not new in Jaws
17, since I find it in Jaws 16 as well.

Once again, I'm using Word 2016 and Outlook 2016 in Office 365 here.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

Most of the time we complain about JAWS not speaking enough. This may be a
case of JAWS seeing and talking too much, new in 17.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 6:24 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
> I can do this, but I'd like to keep some punctuation in documents if 
> possible for basic editing.
>
> As I think I might have said before, I've always used the some 
> punctuation setting in the past with previous versions of Word, 
> Outlook, and Jaws with no issues like this.
>
> Tom Behler
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:36 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>
> How about trying no punctuation, though that may not be desirable either.
>
>
> Maria Campbell
> luc...@gmail.com
>
> When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will 
> know peace.
> --Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
>
> On 6/1/2016 5:27 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
>> Will certainly do that if others on the list have no suggestions that 
>> seem to be working.
>>
>> Very anoying.
>>
>> Tom Behler
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:21 PM
>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>
>> Ask FS about how to stop it.
>>
>>
>> Maria Campbell
>> luc...@gmail.com
>>
>> When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will 
>> know peace.
>> --Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
>>
>> On 6/1/2016 5:18 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
>>> Well, this is very disconcerting, to say the least, because it 
>>> really gets in the way of efficiently navigating documents.
>>>
>>> Tom Behler
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: JAWS-Users-List 
>>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Kimsan
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:13 PM
>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>>
>>> There was a recent discussion on this and the general kensensus was 
>>> that there is no way to silence the culprit.
>>> As far as what it is, if memory serves this dude from the list 
>>> researched and don't quote me if I'm incorrect but it's a separator
line.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: JAWS-Users-List 
>>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 2:09 PM
>>> To: Jaws users list 
>>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>>
>>> Hello, everyone.
>>>
>>> As some of you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and 
>>> running on a fairly new Windows 7 laptop.  I am using the latest 
>>> build of
>> Jaws 17.
>>> I have noticed that in many e-mails, and especially in Microsoft 
>>> Word documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate 
>>> whatever it is I'm reading.
>>>
>>> I don't recall encountering  this behavior in the previous versions 
>>> of Outlook and Word that I have used.
>>>
>>> How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?
>>>
>>> As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very 
>>> distracting.
>>>
>>> Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>>>
>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>>>
>>>
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>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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>>
>>
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> For answers to frequently asked questions 

Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

[Vicky Vaughan]

Hi, I think if you find one of these Vertical Tabs,
Copy it to Clip Board,
Go to the Jaws window,
Go under Utilities and then under dictionaries
and press the space bar on Add and then paste it in with Control V,
then press Tab, to the Replace With, and just either leave it empty or press 
the space bar there.

Don't forget to save this addition with Control S.

HTH Vicky

-Original Message- 
From: Maria Campbell

Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:21 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

Ask FS about how to stop it.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know 
peace.

--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 5:18 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Well, this is very disconcerting, to say the least, because it really gets
in the way of efficiently navigating documents.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

There was a recent discussion on this and the general kensensus was that
there is no way to silence the culprit.
As far as what it is, if memory serves this dude from the list researched
and don't quote me if I'm incorrect but it's a separator line.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 2:09 PM
To: Jaws users list 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

Hello, everyone.

As some of you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and running on 
a

fairly new Windows 7 laptop.  I am using the latest build of Jaws 17.

I have noticed that in many e-mails, and especially in Microsoft Word
documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate whatever it is
I'm reading.

I don't recall encountering  this behavior in the previous versions of
Outlook and Word that I have used.

How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?

As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
distracting.

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan



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Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

[Annette Carr]

The vertical tab is not punctuation.  It is more like a formatting notation.
I'm yet to figure out the difference between a vertical tab and a hard
return, and why is the vertical tab sometimes announced  by JAWS17 and other
times it is not.  I cannot confirm if this is a feature of JAWS17, or some
change in Microsoft.

The only place where the announcement of the vertical tab behavior has been
consistent has been in PowerPoint 2010.  When tabbing from object to object
on a slide in design mode, if there is a hard return at the end of text,
JAWS will only announce the vertical tab when you first tab to that object.
Once you press Enter to edit the contents of that object, the vertical tab
is no longer announced.

Annette


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

How about trying no punctuation, though that may not be desirable either.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 5:27 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
> Will certainly do that if others on the list have no suggestions that 
> seem to be working.
>
> Very annoying.
>
> Tom Behler
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:21 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>
> Ask FS about how to stop it.
>
>
> Maria Campbell
> luc...@gmail.com
>
> When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will 
> know peace.
> --Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
>
> On 6/1/2016 5:18 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
>> Well, this is very disconcerting, to say the least, because it really 
>> gets in the way of efficiently navigating documents.
>>
>> Tom Behler
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>> On Behalf Of Kimsan
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:13 PM
>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>
>> There was a recent discussion on this and the general consensus was 
>> that there is no way to silence the culprit.
>> As far as what it is, if memory serves this dude from the list 
>> researched and don't quote me if I'm incorrect but it's a separator line.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 2:09 PM
>> To: Jaws users list 
>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>
>> Hello, everyone.
>>
>> As some of you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and 
>> running on a fairly new Windows 7 laptop.  I am using the latest 
>> build of
> Jaws 17.
>> I have noticed that in many e-mails, and especially in Microsoft Word 
>> documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate whatever 
>> it is I'm reading.
>>
>> I don't recall encountering  this behavior in the previous versions 
>> of Outlook and Word that I have used.
>>
>> How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?
>>
>> As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very 
>> distracting.
>>
>> Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan
>>
>>
>>
>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>>
>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>>
>>
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>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

[Maria Campbell]

You might try experimenting with smart reading and text analyzer on/off 
in the insert V menu in Outlook and Word.



Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 6:33 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

As noted in my most recent post, the problem apparently is not new in Jaws
17, since I find it in Jaws 16 as well.

Once again, I'm using Word 2016 and Outlook 2016 in Office 365 here.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

Most of the time we complain about JAWS not speaking enough. This may be a
case of JAWS seeing and talking too much, new in 17.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 6:24 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

I can do this, but I'd like to keep some punctuation in documents if
possible for basic editing.

As I think I might have said before, I've always used the some punctuation
setting in the past with previous versions of Word, Outlook, and Jaws with
no issues like this.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

How about trying no punctuation, though that may not be desirable either.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 5:27 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Will certainly do that if others on the list have no suggestions that
seem to be working.

Very anoying.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:21 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

Ask FS about how to stop it.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will
know peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 5:18 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Well, this is very disconcerting, to say the least, because it really
gets in the way of efficiently navigating documents.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

There was a recent discussion on this and the general kensensus was
that there is no way to silence the culprit.
As far as what it is, if memory serves this dude from the list
researched and don't quote me if I'm incorrect but it's a separator

line.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 2:09 PM
To: Jaws users list 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

Hello, everyone.

As some of you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and
running on a fairly new Windows 7 laptop.  I am using the latest
build of

Jaws 17.

I have noticed that in many e-mails, and especially in Microsoft Word
documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate whatever
it is I'm reading.

I don't recall encountering  this behavior in the previous versions
of Outlook and Word that I have used.

How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?

As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
distracting.

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan



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Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

[Tom Behler]

As noted in my most recent post, the problem apparently is not new in Jaws
17, since I find it in Jaws 16 as well.

Once again, I'm using Word 2016 and Outlook 2016 in Office 365 here.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

Most of the time we complain about JAWS not speaking enough. This may be a
case of JAWS seeing and talking too much, new in 17.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 6:24 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
> I can do this, but I'd like to keep some punctuation in documents if
> possible for basic editing.
>
> As I think I might have said before, I've always used the some punctuation
> setting in the past with previous versions of Word, Outlook, and Jaws with
> no issues like this.
>
> Tom Behler
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Maria Campbell
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:36 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>
> How about trying no punctuation, though that may not be desirable either.
>
>
> Maria Campbell
> luc...@gmail.com
>
> When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
> peace.
> --Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
>
> On 6/1/2016 5:27 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
>> Will certainly do that if others on the list have no suggestions that
>> seem to be working.
>>
>> Very anoying.
>>
>> Tom Behler
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:21 PM
>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>
>> Ask FS about how to stop it.
>>
>>
>> Maria Campbell
>> luc...@gmail.com
>>
>> When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will
>> know peace.
>> --Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
>>
>> On 6/1/2016 5:18 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
>>> Well, this is very disconcerting, to say the least, because it really
>>> gets in the way of efficiently navigating documents.
>>>
>>> Tom Behler
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Kimsan
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:13 PM
>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>>
>>> There was a recent discussion on this and the general kensensus was
>>> that there is no way to silence the culprit.
>>> As far as what it is, if memory serves this dude from the list
>>> researched and don't quote me if I'm incorrect but it's a separator
line.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 2:09 PM
>>> To: Jaws users list 
>>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>>
>>> Hello, everyone.
>>>
>>> As some of you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and
>>> running on a fairly new Windows 7 laptop.  I am using the latest
>>> build of
>> Jaws 17.
>>> I have noticed that in many e-mails, and especially in Microsoft Word
>>> documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate whatever
>>> it is I'm reading.
>>>
>>> I don't recall encountering  this behavior in the previous versions
>>> of Outlook and Word that I have used.
>>>
>>> How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?
>>>
>>> As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
>>> distracting.
>>>
>>> Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>>>
>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>>>
>>>
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>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

[Tom Behler]

Maria:

As an additional note, I tried Jaws 16, and still got the repeated vertical
tabs notification, so at least we now know the problem is not unique to Jaws
17.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:21 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

Ask FS about how to stop it.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 5:18 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
> Well, this is very disconcerting, to say the least, because it really 
> gets in the way of efficiently navigating documents.
>
> Tom Behler
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
> On Behalf Of Kimsan
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:13 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>
> There was a recent discussion on this and the general kensensus was 
> that there is no way to silence the culprit.
> As far as what it is, if memory serves this dude from the list 
> researched and don't quote me if I'm incorrect but it's a separator line.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 2:09 PM
> To: Jaws users list 
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>
> Hello, everyone.
>
> As some of you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and 
> running on a fairly new Windows 7 laptop.  I am using the latest build of
Jaws 17.
>
> I have noticed that in many e-mails, and especially in Microsoft Word 
> documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate whatever it 
> is I'm reading.
>
> I don't recall encountering  this behavior in the previous versions of 
> Outlook and Word that I have used.
>
> How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?
>
> As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very 
> distracting.
>
> Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan
>
>
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

[Maria Campbell]

Most of the time we complain about JAWS not speaking enough. This may be 
a case of JAWS seeing and talking too much, new in 17.



Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

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On 6/1/2016 6:24 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

I can do this, but I'd like to keep some punctuation in documents if
possible for basic editing.

As I think I might have said before, I've always used the some punctuation
setting in the past with previous versions of Word, Outlook, and Jaws with
no issues like this.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

How about trying no punctuation, though that may not be desirable either.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 5:27 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Will certainly do that if others on the list have no suggestions that
seem to be working.

Very anoying.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:21 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

Ask FS about how to stop it.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will
know peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 5:18 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Well, this is very disconcerting, to say the least, because it really
gets in the way of efficiently navigating documents.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

There was a recent discussion on this and the general kensensus was
that there is no way to silence the culprit.
As far as what it is, if memory serves this dude from the list
researched and don't quote me if I'm incorrect but it's a separator line.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 2:09 PM
To: Jaws users list 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

Hello, everyone.

As some of you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and
running on a fairly new Windows 7 laptop.  I am using the latest
build of

Jaws 17.

I have noticed that in many e-mails, and especially in Microsoft Word
documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate whatever
it is I'm reading.

I don't recall encountering  this behavior in the previous versions
of Outlook and Word that I have used.

How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?

As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
distracting.

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan



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Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

[Tom Behler]

I can do this, but I'd like to keep some punctuation in documents if
possible for basic editing.

As I think I might have said before, I've always used the some punctuation
setting in the past with previous versions of Word, Outlook, and Jaws with
no issues like this.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

How about trying no punctuation, though that may not be desirable either.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 5:27 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
> Will certainly do that if others on the list have no suggestions that 
> seem to be working.
>
> Very anoying.
>
> Tom Behler
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:21 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>
> Ask FS about how to stop it.
>
>
> Maria Campbell
> luc...@gmail.com
>
> When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will 
> know peace.
> --Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
>
> On 6/1/2016 5:18 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
>> Well, this is very disconcerting, to say the least, because it really 
>> gets in the way of efficiently navigating documents.
>>
>> Tom Behler
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>> On Behalf Of Kimsan
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:13 PM
>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>
>> There was a recent discussion on this and the general kensensus was 
>> that there is no way to silence the culprit.
>> As far as what it is, if memory serves this dude from the list 
>> researched and don't quote me if I'm incorrect but it's a separator line.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 2:09 PM
>> To: Jaws users list 
>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>>
>> Hello, everyone.
>>
>> As some of you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and 
>> running on a fairly new Windows 7 laptop.  I am using the latest 
>> build of
> Jaws 17.
>> I have noticed that in many e-mails, and especially in Microsoft Word 
>> documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate whatever 
>> it is I'm reading.
>>
>> I don't recall encountering  this behavior in the previous versions 
>> of Outlook and Word that I have used.
>>
>> How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?
>>
>> As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very 
>> distracting.
>>
>> Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan
>>
>>
>>
>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>>
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>>
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[JAWS-Users] Adobe Digital editions and Other Epyb Readers

[Stephen Bennett]

Hi All

I'd be very keen to learn about people's experiences with Epub readers, for
both protected and unprotected books. Digital editions seems to read the
last line of each page twice and miss out the top line of the next page. 

 

All the best

 

Stephen

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Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

[Maria Campbell]

How about trying no punctuation, though that may not be desirable either.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 5:27 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Will certainly do that if others on the list have no suggestions that seem
to be working.

Very anoying.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:21 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

Ask FS about how to stop it.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 5:18 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Well, this is very disconcerting, to say the least, because it really
gets in the way of efficiently navigating documents.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

There was a recent discussion on this and the general kensensus was
that there is no way to silence the culprit.
As far as what it is, if memory serves this dude from the list
researched and don't quote me if I'm incorrect but it's a separator line.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 2:09 PM
To: Jaws users list 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

Hello, everyone.

As some of you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and
running on a fairly new Windows 7 laptop.  I am using the latest build of

Jaws 17.

I have noticed that in many e-mails, and especially in Microsoft Word
documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate whatever it
is I'm reading.

I don't recall encountering  this behavior in the previous versions of
Outlook and Word that I have used.

How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?

As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
distracting.

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan



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Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

[Tom Behler]

Will certainly do that if others on the list have no suggestions that seem
to be working.

Very anoying.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:21 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

Ask FS about how to stop it.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know
peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 6/1/2016 5:18 PM, Tom Behler wrote:
> Well, this is very disconcerting, to say the least, because it really 
> gets in the way of efficiently navigating documents.
>
> Tom Behler
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
> On Behalf Of Kimsan
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:13 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>
> There was a recent discussion on this and the general kensensus was 
> that there is no way to silence the culprit.
> As far as what it is, if memory serves this dude from the list 
> researched and don't quote me if I'm incorrect but it's a separator line.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 2:09 PM
> To: Jaws users list 
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab
>
> Hello, everyone.
>
> As some of you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and 
> running on a fairly new Windows 7 laptop.  I am using the latest build of
Jaws 17.
>
> I have noticed that in many e-mails, and especially in Microsoft Word 
> documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate whatever it 
> is I'm reading.
>
> I don't recall encountering  this behavior in the previous versions of 
> Outlook and Word that I have used.
>
> How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?
>
> As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very 
> distracting.
>
> Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan
>
>
>
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>
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>
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

[Tom Behler]

Well, this is very disconcerting, to say the least, because it really gets
in the way of efficiently navigating documents.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

There was a recent discussion on this and the general kensensus was that
there is no way to silence the culprit.
As far as what it is, if memory serves this dude from the list researched
and don't quote me if I'm incorrect but it's a separator line.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 2:09 PM
To: Jaws users list 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

Hello, everyone.

As some of you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and running on a
fairly new Windows 7 laptop.  I am using the latest build of Jaws 17.

I have noticed that in many e-mails, and especially in Microsoft Word
documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate whatever it is
I'm reading.

I don't recall encountering  this behavior in the previous versions of
Outlook and Word that I have used.

How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?

As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
distracting.

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan



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Re: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

[Kimsan]

There was a recent discussion on this and the general kensensus was that
there is no way to silence the culprit.
As far as what it is, if memory serves this dude from the list researched
and don't quote me if I'm incorrect but it's a separator line.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 2:09 PM
To: Jaws users list 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

Hello, everyone.

As some of you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and running on a
fairly new Windows 7 laptop.  I am using the latest build of Jaws 17.

I have noticed that in many e-mails, and especially in Microsoft Word
documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate whatever it is
I'm reading.

I don't recall encountering  this behavior in the previous versions of
Outlook and Word that I have used.

How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?

As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
distracting.

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan



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[JAWS-Users] How To Stop Jaws From Saying Vertical Tab

[Tom Behler]

Hello, everyone.

As some of you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and running on a
fairly new Windows 7 laptop.  I am using the latest build of Jaws 17.

I have noticed that in many e-mails, and especially in Microsoft Word
documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate whatever it is
I'm reading.

I don't recall encountering  this behavior in the previous versions of
Outlook and Word that I have used.

How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?

As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
distracting.

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan



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[JAWS-Users] Conenient OCR

[Ward Dudley]

Hi everyone,

I am doing some research for my work and wanted to see how accurate this 
tool is while using it for other applications than PDFs.  I regret to 
say that I have not utilized it any.


Thanks in advance,

Ward

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Re: [JAWS-Users] A navigation question

[David Moore]

Hi Andy,
Your question is a good one and one that is hard to answer. First of all, 
The JAWS cursor over the years has not let me interact much with the tool 
bar buttons below the menu bar. I think this is what you are talking about. 
For example, In most programs, you have buttons at the top of the screen for 
Settings, Zoom in and out, Print, and so on. The JAWS cursor does not access 
these buttons very well in most programs. Here is the answer that would work 
for you great! If you download a free copy of NVDA screen reader, you can 
use that screen reader to access all that is on the screen very easily. You 
can use what is called object navigation, which allows you to navigate 
everywhere on the screen where the PC cursor cannot go. Then, there is a 
command to route the mouse to the button or where ever you want to click on. 
Then, you can use the left mouse click to interact with that button. This is 
why I am telling everyone lately, to have a copy of NVDA on their computer, 
because it can access things on the screen that JAWS just will not. JAWS is 
much better for most things, but NVDA is great for exactly what you are 
talking about. You can download NVDA at:

www.nvaccess.org
It is totally free and open source and the community keeps it going. Take 
care.



-Original Message- 
From: Andy Shields

Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 10:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A navigation question

Hello,

I'm sure there's a basic command for this, but I can't seem to find it. How 
do I get to the series of headings at the top of many windows, apparently 
running from left to right just below the title bar? There are actions I 
need to perform on areas below these headings, but neither cursor (or a 
combination of them) will display them. (This is actually an ongoing issue 
for me, in which the JAWS cursor frequently doesn't access, or display, not 
sure which, much of what I think it should, for areas of the window or 
screen that the PC cursor won't show.) So maybe the question is more 
general: how do I use some combination of cursors and routing to read and 
act upon these other areas of the screen or window? I'm supposed to know 
this stuff as part of my job, and I know it's not this hard.


Andy
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Re: [JAWS-Users] OOTunes contact page

[John Fitzgerald]

Thank You John.

John Fitzgerald
Muse, Oklahoma 
Article V Convention of States
http://www.cosaction.com/?recruiter_id=1022484


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of John M.
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 8:02 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] OOTunes contact page

The page works fine for me: Win 7 and Jaws 17.
Alternatively, you can send your stream request to:
stre...@ootunes.com

John

- Original Message - 
From: "John Fitzgerald " 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 9:12 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] OOTunes contact page


> Hi,
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone been able to use the contact page on OOTunes?  Iam trying to
> request a stream.  I am using Win 7 and JAWS 16.
> 
> 
> 
> Here is the page:
> 
> 
> 
> http://help.ootunes.com/contact 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> John Fitzgerald
> 
> Muse, Oklahoma 
> 
> Article V Convention of States
> 
> 
> http://www.cosaction.com/?recruiter_id=1022484
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [JAWS-Users] OOTunes contact page

[John Fitzgerald]

I was able to fill out all of the form, except user name because I don't
have one.  Wwhen I pressed the submit button the screen would change, but
the form was still there, which leads me to believe that it was never
submitted.  I did manage to search the page using magic, and found a line
that was not spoken "please fill in the boxes marked in red" so I tabbed
through all of the form to double check.  All boxes were filled except user
name, so I resubmitted.  Again the screen changed but ledt me on the forms
page.  So I tried putting none in the user name box, and resubmitted, again
the screen changed, but left me on the forms page.  At this point I decided
to see if some one had a direct email address that they were willing to
share.

John Fitzgerald
Muse, Oklahoma 
Article V Convention of States
http://www.cosaction.com/?recruiter_id=1022484

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Shai
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 11:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] OOTunes contact page

Hello John,
I just tried the Ootunes page that was linked in your email using
JAWS17 and Windows10 using Internet Explorer 11. I was able to navigate this
page and the form fields on it without any issue. I would imagine that it
would work fine also with JAWS16. What difficulty are you experiencing?

On 5/31/16, John Fitzgerald  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Has anyone been able to use the contact page on OOTunes?  Iam trying 
> to request a stream.  I am using Win 7 and JAWS 16.
>
>
>
> Here is the page:
>
>
>
> http://help.ootunes.com/contact
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
> John Fitzgerald
>
> Muse, Oklahoma
>
> Article V Convention of States
>
>  
> http://www.cosaction.com/?recruiter_id=1022484
>
>
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows list

[Jim Flusche]

Yes, you need to turn off the store live tile app. Press the windows key,
down arrow to your account, right arrow to the live tile region, use your up
and down arrows and highlight the store tile. Press the application key, go
down to, More sub menu, right arrow one time. Down arrow to turn off live
tile and press enter. If you wish to remove it from the start area all
together, after turning it off. Just highlight it again, press the
application key, go to remove from start, press enter. Also, under the
background apps in the settings area, make sure the store app is turned off.

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Windows list

Does anyone know why the store app is always showing on my Windows list of
running apps invoked with the insert f10 key? Does anyone know how I can
stop this?

I even had Candy Crush showing as an app today.  This is most annoying.



-- 

Maria Campbell
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peace.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Some questions and concerns about updating to Windows 10.

[Jim Flusche]

Hi LeDon, Windows 10 works great with Jaws 17. You can make it look like W-7, 
you still have the convenience of the start button, very easy to learn what the 
All Apps region looks like. The live tile region is easy to learn and to 
customize to your personal preferences. The settings area is strait forward and 
easy to learn. You can upgrade to the latest windows operating system for free. 
The system works and preforms much faster than W-7. This is the operating 
system of the present and of the future. 

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of LeDon Becker
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 3:19 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Some questions and concerns about updating to Windows 
10.

I have been thinking, for some time now, about updating to windows ten. My son, 
who helps me with my computer, keeps asking me why I should up date to windows 
ten when I know how to get around in windows seven quite well. I don’t know 
what to tell him about why I should update. Can someone tell me why, a totally 
blind man, would be better off whit windows ten.  And I want to know if after 
updating do I have to delete jaws from my computer and reinstall my Jaws 
seventeen to the computer? Thank you for your thoughts. 

From: David Moore
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 5:25 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Some questions and concerns about updating to Windows 
10.

Hi Maria,
What do you miss about win 7?


-Original Message-
From: Maria Campbell
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 9:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Some questions and concerns about updating to Windows 
10.

w10 is all right, but I still like w7 better.


Maria Campbell
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On 5/27/2016 12:49 AM, james macdonald wrote:
> I would just go straight to  win 10 as long as you update jaws as well 
> it runs fine and there is no problem in Windows 10 For answers to 
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Re: [JAWS-Users] A navigation question

[Adrian Spratt]

Andy,

Could you explain if these Windows are displaying webpages, word processor 
pages (in which case, which one?), screens for a specific application, or what? 

Even then, I'm not quite sure what you're experiencing and what you're trying 
to accomplish. In case it helps, you can force the PC cursor to the JAWS cursor 
by pressing the JAWS key with the PC/+ sign on the numpad. Also, while in the 
JAWS cursor, you can expand or reduce its range by pressing the JAWS key+r 
repeatedly through a cycle of options. But I suspect you need something else.

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Of Andy Shields
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 10:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A navigation question

Hello,

I'm sure there's a basic command for this, but I can't seem to find it. How do 
I get to the series of headings at the top of many windows, apparently running 
from left to right just below the title bar? There are actions I need to 
perform on areas below these headings, but neither cursor (or a combination of 
them) will display them. (This is actually an ongoing issue for me, in which 
the JAWS cursor frequently doesn't access, or display, not sure which, much of 
what I think it should, for areas of the window or screen that the PC cursor 
won't show.) So maybe the question is more general: how do I use some 
combination of cursors and routing to read and act upon these other areas of 
the screen or window? I'm supposed to know this stuff as part of my job, and I 
know it's not this hard.

Andy
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[JAWS-Users] A navigation question

[Andy Shields]

Hello,

I'm sure there's a basic command for this, but I can't seem to find it. How do 
I get to the series of headings at the top of many windows, apparently running 
from left to right just below the title bar? There are actions I need to 
perform on areas below these headings, but neither cursor (or a combination of 
them) will display them. (This is actually an ongoing issue for me, in which 
the JAWS cursor frequently doesn't access, or display, not sure which, much of 
what I think it should, for areas of the window or screen that the PC cursor 
won't show.) So maybe the question is more general: how do I use some 
combination of cursors and routing to read and act upon these other areas of 
the screen or window? I'm supposed to know this stuff as part of my job, and I 
know it's not this hard.

Andy
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Re: [JAWS-Users] the cu cu clock scripts

[David Ferrin]

I just did the recording and some minor editing as a first run. I will 
review it again and if all goes according to plan it should be posted by 
10:30 Eastern time this morning.


-Original Message- 
From: Mario

Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 5:48 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] the cu cu clock scripts

David, I vote yes. this would be helpful for those trying to getting it
to work.

 Original Message 
From: David Ferrin
Subject: [JAWS-Users] the cu cu clock scripts
Date: Thursday, May 26, 2016 1:35:47 PM EST
To: 

I just reviewed the documentation for installing them and it occurs to
me that since they are so old some additions might need to be added. For
example they were written for 4.51 and I doubt anybody on here today is
still using that version they would need to be compiled for a more
recent offering of JAWS, 15 at least if not 17.

I could do an audio recording of me installing them for myself if there
is any interest out there in listening.

I mention updating them since version 13 we have had the my extensions
feature which personally works for me very well. There will still be a
need to modify the default key map file, but since it is only a text
file with a JKM extension notepad handles that job quite simply.

Feedback would be appreciated including thoughts on a demo good or bad.
David Ferrin
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Re: [JAWS-Users] OOTunes contact page

[John M.]

The page works fine for me: Win 7 and Jaws 17.
Alternatively, you can send your stream request to:
stre...@ootunes.com

John

- Original Message - 
From: "John Fitzgerald " 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 9:12 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] OOTunes contact page



Hi,



Has anyone been able to use the contact page on OOTunes?  Iam trying to
request a stream.  I am using Win 7 and JAWS 16.



Here is the page:



http://help.ootunes.com/contact 




Thanks!





John Fitzgerald

Muse, Oklahoma 


Article V Convention of States


http://www.cosaction.com/?recruiter_id=1022484



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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS say all reading voice

[Mario]

Mike, I tried uninstalling the voices and reinstalling them, and guess 
what? it works now, the voice names show up when choosing the voice for 
the Vocalizer Expressive profile. after choosing a voice, I then saved 
it as the name of the voice. now I can switch profiles if I want a 
different reading voice for say all. thanks to Mike, Gene and the others 
who offered their input.




 Original Message 
From: Mike O'Brien
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS say all reading voice
Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 8:33:53 PM EST
To: 

Hi Mario

Well, I have to admit that I am stumped.  When I go to the Adjust Voice
settings and tab to Voice adjust all contacts, the next tab takes me to
Voice person.  I do use the computer with an Administrator account.
Perhaps, if you use the computer with a user account, that option does not
appear.  You could call FS support.


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Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 05:29
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS say all reading voice

Michael, as you directed, when I focus on the vocalize expressive profile,
tabbing,  there isn't a voice person list to choose a different
  voice.

Profile Name: Vocalizer Expressive, 1 of 4 Delete Profile Button Synthesizer
Language:
Speak Sample Button
Voice Adjust: Combo box, All Contexts, 1 of 5
VoiceRate:
Voice Punctuation
Voice Spell Rate Change Percent:
Voice Upper Case Pitch Change Percent:
OK, Save As..., Apply, Cancel Button.


 Original Message 
From: Mike O'Brien
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS say all reading voice
Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:20:28 PM EST
To: 

Hi

In order to use a different JAWS voice, you must switch to it.  Press
JAWSkey+control+s to open the Select a Voice Profile dialog.  Then arrow
down to Vocalizer Expressive and press enter.  There used to be an option to
have a SayAll use a different voice than the default voice.  But that option
has disappeared somewhere in the last few releases of JAWS.  To switch
between the different Vocalizer Expressive voices, you need to open the JAWS
Options menu and then choose Voices and then choose Voice adjustment.  Make
sure you're on the Vocalizer Expressive profile.  Then tab to Voice Person
and select the voice you want.


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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 12:38
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS say all reading voice


when I perform a say all, I must be doing something wrong because Eloquence
is the voice that reads even though I installed several vocalizer expressive
voices to see which one I like the best. I'm using JAWS 16. could someone
please send me the steps?


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