Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16
Here here! Some things were broken in Jaws 17. I had Jaws 16 at work for a long time and it served me well. Judy -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Kenny Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 3:16 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16 Press the [f6] key until you're placed in the Address bar field. [Tab] once and you should be placed in the Toolbar. Then you simply use the left and right arrow keys to navigate to each toolbar entry and hit [Enter] or [Spacebar] to activate it. At 06:01 PM 5/25/2017, you wrote: >Hi > >Yeah, I'm finding out that most people that aren't using the latest >version of JAWS are using version 16, which is encouraging. > >I use Windows 7 because I hated the Metro interface Microsoft tried to >force on us in Windows 8, and because I believe Microsoft is over >reaching their authority with some of the changes they made in Windows >10. It's my Computer damn it! And nobody but me has the right to tell >me what software runs on it! When they restore the user's ability to >decide which updates get installed on their computers, among other >things, then I'll consider Windows 10. > >I used to have Office XP which I really liked, but gave it to my dad >and got Office 2007 because I could get it for $10 through my employer. >If I could have, I'd have gotten 2003 to avoid the ribbons. > >So far JAWS 16 is proving to be quite stable, however the dictionary >manager still keeps crashing when it is first run, I was hoping that >that was a version 17 and 18 problem that would go away with the switch >to 16, oh well. > >I found out that it gets pricey if you let your SMA lapse, so for $5 a >month, I'll keep it current even if I don't use those newer versions of JAWS. > >Later... > > > > >On 5/25/2017 4:52 PM, John M. wrote: >>Hi Gene, >> >>I have been using Jaws since version 5. Over the years, I have found >>that some versions of Jaws are very good and others are junk. In my >>opinion, version 17 is junk. I had upgraded from Jaws 15 to 17. After >>the upgrade, I had nothing but problems. After several months of >>struggling, I eventually installed version 16 and that is what I am >>still using today. I tried version 18 for a short while, but it was >>still not as stable and reliable as version 16. I am using Windows 7 >>also. One more thing...I still use Office 2003, because I just like it >>a lot. Jaws version 17 support for Office 2003 was terrible. >> >>I always go back to a saying that I have used for years--"Just because >>you can doesn't mean you should.". Just because there is a new version >>of Windows or Office or Jaws or any other piece of software or >>hardware, doesn't mean you have to rush to install it or purchase it. >>I rely on my computer on a daily basis to do my job and service my >>clients. I demand that my core software is extremely stable and >>reliable. I have Jaws SMAs through version 20. I don't know if I will >>actually switch to those versions. Time will tell. >> >>Best, >>John >> >> >>- Original Message - From: "Gene Warner" >><genewarn...@gmail.com> >>To: "JAWS Users" <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> >>Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:25 PM >>Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16 >> >> >>>Hi everyone! >>> >>>Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to >>>switch from Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15. >>> >>>As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the >>>Lighthouse here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had >>>with it, it just worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with >>>the addition of the very useful command search function. >>> >>>Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the >>>engine. From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was >>>running into another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came >>>out wasn't much better. >>> >>>So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently >>>recalcitrant version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version >>>16 to see how it compares to version 18. If it works as well as my >>>memory of it recalls, I will eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and >>>consider not maintaining my SMA anymore. Besides my dissatisfaction >>>with versions 17 and 18, it seems like most of the enhancements are >>>for Windows 10 and have no eff
Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16
Press the [f6] key until you're placed in the Address bar field. [Tab] once and you should be placed in the Toolbar. Then you simply use the left and right arrow keys to navigate to each toolbar entry and hit [Enter] or [Spacebar] to activate it. At 06:01 PM 5/25/2017, you wrote: Hi Yeah, I'm finding out that most people that aren't using the latest version of JAWS are using version 16, which is encouraging. I use Windows 7 because I hated the Metro interface Microsoft tried to force on us in Windows 8, and because I believe Microsoft is over reaching their authority with some of the changes they made in Windows 10. It's my Computer damn it! And nobody but me has the right to tell me what software runs on it! When they restore the user's ability to decide which updates get installed on their computers, among other things, then I'll consider Windows 10. I used to have Office XP which I really liked, but gave it to my dad and got Office 2007 because I could get it for $10 through my employer. If I could have, I'd have gotten 2003 to avoid the ribbons. So far JAWS 16 is proving to be quite stable, however the dictionary manager still keeps crashing when it is first run, I was hoping that that was a version 17 and 18 problem that would go away with the switch to 16, oh well. I found out that it gets pricey if you let your SMA lapse, so for $5 a month, I'll keep it current even if I don't use those newer versions of JAWS. Later... On 5/25/2017 4:52 PM, John M. wrote: Hi Gene, I have been using Jaws since version 5. Over the years, I have found that some versions of Jaws are very good and others are junk. In my opinion, version 17 is junk. I had upgraded from Jaws 15 to 17. After the upgrade, I had nothing but problems. After several months of struggling, I eventually installed version 16 and that is what I am still using today. I tried version 18 for a short while, but it was still not as stable and reliable as version 16. I am using Windows 7 also. One more thing...I still use Office 2003, because I just like it a lot. Jaws version 17 support for Office 2003 was terrible. I always go back to a saying that I have used for years--"Just because you can doesn't mean you should.". Just because there is a new version of Windows or Office or Jaws or any other piece of software or hardware, doesn't mean you have to rush to install it or purchase it. I rely on my computer on a daily basis to do my job and service my clients. I demand that my core software is extremely stable and reliable. I have Jaws SMAs through version 20. I don't know if I will actually switch to those versions. Time will tell. Best, John - Original Message - From: "Gene Warner" <genewarn...@gmail.com> To: "JAWS Users" <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:25 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16 Hi everyone! Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to switch from Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15. As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the Lighthouse here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had with it, it just worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the addition of the very useful command search function. Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the engine. From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was running into another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out wasn't much better. So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently recalcitrant version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version 16 to see how it compares to version 18. If it works as well as my memory of it recalls, I will eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and consider not maintaining my SMA anymore. Besides my dissatisfaction with versions 17 and 18, it seems like most of the enhancements are for Windows 10 and have no effect on my Windows 7 system which I have no plans to upgrade. If things do change for the better in the future, I can always reestablish a new SMA. I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has already preceded me in downgrading back to version 16. Thanks! Later... For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16
I don't need JAWS for work, when I lost my vision, I had so few working years left, that I decided to just retire early. But when I sit down in front of my computer, regardless of what I'm doing; emailing, surfing the web, playing game, online shopping or banking, the last thing I want or need is to have to fight with a program that refuses to work properly. So arfter a year and a half of fighting with JAWWS 17 and 18, I finally gave up and went back to JAWS16. If I had discovered the Outlook Express that is usable on Windows 7 before I started using Thunderbird, I'd probably be using it now. Later... On 5/27/2017 3:27 PM, Andrew James Bontrager wrote: I've still got JAWS version 9 running on this Windows XP machine, along with Microsoft Word 2003 and Outlook Express. I also have a Windows 7 laptop with JAWS 17 instaled. But sadly, on that computer, JAWS seems to get stuck and has to restart itself rather more frequently than I like. I can tell you, that makes for some very anxious moments when speech stops and will not restart. My advice is, do what you need to, in order for you to do your job. If a newer version would give you better productivity, by all means upgrade it if you can. In my case, if I want to use Windows 7, I have to use the later JAWS version. But after several attempts to fully upgrade, I only use that system as a backup. Conversely, if you find that a piece of software isn't helping you, and you're spending time trying to force it to perform its function, it's best to go to an earlier version or try another program. This is why I use the fine port someone made of Outlook Express to Windows 7. Why? because other email programs (and believe me, I've tried many) don't meet the requirements which OE has met for all these years. --- I am, therefore I think. Ande For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16
I've still got JAWS version 9 running on this Windows XP machine, along with Microsoft Word 2003 and Outlook Express. I also have a Windows 7 laptop with JAWS 17 instaled. But sadly, on that computer, JAWS seems to get stuck and has to restart itself rather more frequently than I like. I can tell you, that makes for some very anxious moments when speech stops and will not restart. My advice is, do what you need to, in order for you to do your job. If a newer version would give you better productivity, by all means upgrade it if you can. In my case, if I want to use Windows 7, I have to use the later JAWS version. But after several attempts to fully upgrade, I only use that system as a backup. Conversely, if you find that a piece of software isn't helping you, and you're spending time trying to force it to perform its function, it's best to go to an earlier version or try another program. This is why I use the fine port someone made of Outlook Express to Windows 7. Why? because other email programs (and believe me, I've tried many) don't meet the requirements which OE has met for all these years. --- I am, therefore I think. Ande For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16
Hi! From what some have said about some web sites being harder to navigate with older versions of JAWS, I have decided not to uninstall JAWS 18, it just won't be my primary screen reader. I also have NVDA installed for those few programs, mostly games written with BGT, that don't play well with any version of JAWS. There are also parts of some web sites that don't work right with JAWS, for those too I'll switch to NVDA. I don't like NVDA as much as I like JAWS, but it does get me around those few things that JAWS won't do. Later... On 5/25/2017 6:17 PM, John Fitzgerald wrote: Hi, Your plan sounds good to me, as long as it works for you. I have a win 7 machine running JAWS 15 and have no plans to upgrade in the hopes of missing all the headaches with versions 17 and 18. And like you when my win 7 machine dies I will probably wind up with a win 10 machine, so for now I'm just trying to keep what little bit of hair I have left. John Fitzgerald Muse, Oklahoma Article V Convention of States http://www.cosaction.com/?recruiter_id=1022484 -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gene Warner Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 2:26 PM To: JAWS Users Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16 Hi everyone! Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to switch from Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15. As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the Lighthouse here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had with it, it just worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the addition of the very useful command search function. Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the engine. From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was running into another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out wasn't much better. So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently recalcitrant version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version 16 to see how it compares to version 18. If it works as well as my memory of it recalls, I will eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and consider not maintaining my SMA anymore. Besides my dissatisfaction with versions 17 and 18, it seems like most of the enhancements are for Windows 10 and have no effect on my Windows 7 system which I have no plans to upgrade. If things do change for the better in the future, I can always reestablish a new SMA. I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has already preceded me in downgrading back to version 16. Thanks! Later... For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16
Hi Yeah, I'm finding out that most people that aren't using the latest version of JAWS are using version 16, which is encouraging. I use Windows 7 because I hated the Metro interface Microsoft tried to force on us in Windows 8, and because I believe Microsoft is over reaching their authority with some of the changes they made in Windows 10. It's my Computer damn it! And nobody but me has the right to tell me what software runs on it! When they restore the user's ability to decide which updates get installed on their computers, among other things, then I'll consider Windows 10. I used to have Office XP which I really liked, but gave it to my dad and got Office 2007 because I could get it for $10 through my employer. If I could have, I'd have gotten 2003 to avoid the ribbons. So far JAWS 16 is proving to be quite stable, however the dictionary manager still keeps crashing when it is first run, I was hoping that that was a version 17 and 18 problem that would go away with the switch to 16, oh well. I found out that it gets pricey if you let your SMA lapse, so for $5 a month, I'll keep it current even if I don't use those newer versions of JAWS. Later... On 5/25/2017 4:52 PM, John M. wrote: Hi Gene, I have been using Jaws since version 5. Over the years, I have found that some versions of Jaws are very good and others are junk. In my opinion, version 17 is junk. I had upgraded from Jaws 15 to 17. After the upgrade, I had nothing but problems. After several months of struggling, I eventually installed version 16 and that is what I am still using today. I tried version 18 for a short while, but it was still not as stable and reliable as version 16. I am using Windows 7 also. One more thing...I still use Office 2003, because I just like it a lot. Jaws version 17 support for Office 2003 was terrible. I always go back to a saying that I have used for years--"Just because you can doesn't mean you should.". Just because there is a new version of Windows or Office or Jaws or any other piece of software or hardware, doesn't mean you have to rush to install it or purchase it. I rely on my computer on a daily basis to do my job and service my clients. I demand that my core software is extremely stable and reliable. I have Jaws SMAs through version 20. I don't know if I will actually switch to those versions. Time will tell. Best, John - Original Message - From: "Gene Warner" <genewarn...@gmail.com> To: "JAWS Users" <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:25 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16 Hi everyone! Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to switch from Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15. As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the Lighthouse here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had with it, it just worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the addition of the very useful command search function. Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the engine. From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was running into another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out wasn't much better. So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently recalcitrant version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version 16 to see how it compares to version 18. If it works as well as my memory of it recalls, I will eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and consider not maintaining my SMA anymore. Besides my dissatisfaction with versions 17 and 18, it seems like most of the enhancements are for Windows 10 and have no effect on my Windows 7 system which I have no plans to upgrade. If things do change for the better in the future, I can always reestablish a new SMA. I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has already preceded me in downgrading back to version 16. Thanks! Later... For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16
I am so envious. I tried so hard to keep Office 2003, but Word was somewhat corrupted and I had to really play around with it to get it to work properly part of the time. And then Outlook began producing multiple copies of emails. I had a patch that was supposed to take care of such problems, but it stopped. And I was using magic at a very high magnification. My old Magic wouldn't work with newer versions of Jaws like 16 and the new version of Magic wouldn't work with Office 2003. So then someone installed new everything for me. Jaws 18 seems to be a bit better after yesterday's upgrade. At least I hope it is. But there are certain kinds of html emails that Jaws did fine with in Outlook 2003, and that, even with all kinds of work arounds, it's difficult to deal with, with Jaws in later versions of Office. I retired 10 years ago. Otherwise, I'd be tearing my hair out! Miriam -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of John M. Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 4:53 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16 Hi Gene, I have been using Jaws since version 5. Over the years, I have found that some versions of Jaws are very good and others are junk. In my opinion, version 17 is junk. I had upgraded from Jaws 15 to 17. After the upgrade, I had nothing but problems. After several months of struggling, I eventually installed version 16 and that is what I am still using today. I tried version 18 for a short while, but it was still not as stable and reliable as version 16. I am using Windows 7 also. One more thing...I still use Office 2003, because I just like it a lot. Jaws version 17 support for Office 2003 was terrible. I always go back to a saying that I have used for years--"Just because you can doesn't mean you should.". Just because there is a new version of Windows or Office or Jaws or any other piece of software or hardware, doesn't mean you have to rush to install it or purchase it. I rely on my computer on a daily basis to do my job and service my clients. I demand that my core software is extremely stable and reliable. I have Jaws SMAs through version 20. I don't know if I will actually switch to those versions. Time will tell. Best, John - Original Message - From: "Gene Warner" <genewarn...@gmail.com> To: "JAWS Users" <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:25 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16 > Hi everyone! > > Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to switch > from Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15. > > As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the > Lighthouse here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had with > it, it just worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the addition > of the very useful command search function. > > Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the engine. > From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was running into > another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out wasn't much > better. > > So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently recalcitrant > version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version 16 to see how it > compares to version 18. If it works as well as my memory of it recalls, I > will eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and consider not maintaining my SMA > anymore. Besides my dissatisfaction with versions 17 and 18, it seems like > most of the enhancements are for Windows 10 and have no effect on my > Windows 7 system which I have no plans to upgrade. If things do change for > the better in the future, I can always reestablish a new SMA. > > I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has already > preceded me in downgrading back to version 16. > > Thanks! > > Later... > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16
Hi, Your plan sounds good to me, as long as it works for you. I have a win 7 machine running JAWS 15 and have no plans to upgrade in the hopes of missing all the headaches with versions 17 and 18. And like you when my win 7 machine dies I will probably wind up with a win 10 machine, so for now I'm just trying to keep what little bit of hair I have left. John Fitzgerald Muse, Oklahoma Article V Convention of States http://www.cosaction.com/?recruiter_id=1022484 -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gene Warner Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 2:26 PM To: JAWS Users Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16 Hi everyone! Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to switch from Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15. As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the Lighthouse here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had with it, it just worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the addition of the very useful command search function. Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the engine. >From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was running into another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out wasn't much better. So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently recalcitrant version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version 16 to see how it compares to version 18. If it works as well as my memory of it recalls, I will eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and consider not maintaining my SMA anymore. Besides my dissatisfaction with versions 17 and 18, it seems like most of the enhancements are for Windows 10 and have no effect on my Windows 7 system which I have no plans to upgrade. If things do change for the better in the future, I can always reestablish a new SMA. I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has already preceded me in downgrading back to version 16. Thanks! Later... For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16
Hi, It depends on what Windows 10 release one is using. The latest builds of 17 and 18 will work reasonably well with Windows 10 Version 1703 (Creators Update), although for some, audio ducking in JAWS 18 is somewhat broken when using latest Windows 10 release. Cheers, Joseph -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Judy Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 2:35 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16 Gene and John, you have given me some very useful information and I thank You both. I wonder if Jaws 17 and 18 work better with Windows 10, but I am still using Win 7 and am happy with it. No plans to upgrade until I have to, and while considering upgrading my Jaws perhaps in the near future, you have both convinced me to go with 16. Judy & Libby -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of John M. Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 4:53 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16 Hi Gene, I have been using Jaws since version 5. Over the years, I have found that some versions of Jaws are very good and others are junk. In my opinion, version 17 is junk. I had upgraded from Jaws 15 to 17. After the upgrade, I had nothing but problems. After several months of struggling, I eventually installed version 16 and that is what I am still using today. I tried version 18 for a short while, but it was still not as stable and reliable as version 16. I am using Windows 7 also. One more thing...I still use Office 2003, because I just like it a lot. Jaws version 17 support for Office 2003 was terrible. I always go back to a saying that I have used for years--"Just because you can doesn't mean you should.". Just because there is a new version of Windows or Office or Jaws or any other piece of software or hardware, doesn't mean you have to rush to install it or purchase it. I rely on my computer on a daily basis to do my job and service my clients. I demand that my core software is extremely stable and reliable. I have Jaws SMAs through version 20. I don't know if I will actually switch to those versions. Time will tell. Best, John - Original Message - From: "Gene Warner" <genewarn...@gmail.com> To: "JAWS Users" <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:25 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16 > Hi everyone! > > Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to switch > from Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15. > > As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the > Lighthouse here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had with > it, it just worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the addition > of the very useful command search function. > > Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the engine. > From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was running into > another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out wasn't much > better. > > So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently recalcitrant > version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version 16 to see how it > compares to version 18. If it works as well as my memory of it recalls, I > will eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and consider not maintaining my SMA > anymore. Besides my dissatisfaction with versions 17 and 18, it seems like > most of the enhancements are for Windows 10 and have no effect on my > Windows 7 system which I have no plans to upgrade. If things do change for > the better in the future, I can always reestablish a new SMA. > > I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has already > preceded me in downgrading back to version 16. > > Thanks! > > Later... > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16
Gene and John, you have given me some very useful information and I thank You both. I wonder if Jaws 17 and 18 work better with Windows 10, but I am still using Win 7 and am happy with it. No plans to upgrade until I have to, and while considering upgrading my Jaws perhaps in the near future, you have both convinced me to go with 16. Judy & Libby -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of John M. Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 4:53 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16 Hi Gene, I have been using Jaws since version 5. Over the years, I have found that some versions of Jaws are very good and others are junk. In my opinion, version 17 is junk. I had upgraded from Jaws 15 to 17. After the upgrade, I had nothing but problems. After several months of struggling, I eventually installed version 16 and that is what I am still using today. I tried version 18 for a short while, but it was still not as stable and reliable as version 16. I am using Windows 7 also. One more thing...I still use Office 2003, because I just like it a lot. Jaws version 17 support for Office 2003 was terrible. I always go back to a saying that I have used for years--"Just because you can doesn't mean you should.". Just because there is a new version of Windows or Office or Jaws or any other piece of software or hardware, doesn't mean you have to rush to install it or purchase it. I rely on my computer on a daily basis to do my job and service my clients. I demand that my core software is extremely stable and reliable. I have Jaws SMAs through version 20. I don't know if I will actually switch to those versions. Time will tell. Best, John - Original Message - From: "Gene Warner" <genewarn...@gmail.com> To: "JAWS Users" <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:25 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16 > Hi everyone! > > Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to switch > from Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15. > > As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the > Lighthouse here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had with > it, it just worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the addition > of the very useful command search function. > > Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the engine. > From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was running into > another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out wasn't much > better. > > So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently recalcitrant > version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version 16 to see how it > compares to version 18. If it works as well as my memory of it recalls, I > will eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and consider not maintaining my SMA > anymore. Besides my dissatisfaction with versions 17 and 18, it seems like > most of the enhancements are for Windows 10 and have no effect on my > Windows 7 system which I have no plans to upgrade. If things do change for > the better in the future, I can always reestablish a new SMA. > > I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has already > preceded me in downgrading back to version 16. > > Thanks! > > Later... > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16
By the way, I also have a Win7, 64-bit system, along with Office 2010. As John says, no need to upgrade for the sake of it. JAWS is one of my rare exceptions to the rule. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:22 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16 Gene, When FS publicizes new features in each annual upgrade, they don't mention what I believe are a slew of behind-the-scenes changes they make in order to keep on top of developments on the Web. Sometimes I suspect these background improvements are what cause a deterioration in performance for some users with some websites. It's why many JAWS users keep more than one version on their systems. But if you decide to give up your SMA, you will find the Web increasingly more difficult to navigate because your old version can't catch up. That's been my experience as JAWS has gone from V. 2 to today's V. 18. There are always wrinkles. For example, when you install a new version, it will share components with any previous versions on your system. It can affect performance on the old version, which I've experienced. In fact, even when I've uninstalled an old version, decided I wanted it back, then uninstalled the new version in order to eliminate shared components, the old version comes back with problems associated with those shared components. Perhaps I've failed to get rid of all traces, but I won't mess with the registry. Others here do so all the time. I think Miriam's point about the SMA functioning as insurance is a good one. It fits in with what I'm saying here. Finally, I see no deterioration in performance between JAWS 16 and 18. In the past, a JAWS upgrade has made certain websites less easy to navigate, but I haven't had that experience in a long time. Moreover, there are so many workarounds now, most of all the success many of us have had with turning the virtual cursor off in certain situations. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gene Warner Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:26 PM To: JAWS Users Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16 Hi everyone! Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to switch from Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15. As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the Lighthouse here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had with it, it just worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the addition of the very useful command search function. Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the engine. From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was running into another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out wasn't much better. So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently recalcitrant version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version 16 to see how it compares to version 18. If it works as well as my memory of it recalls, I will eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and consider not maintaining my SMA anymore. Besides my dissatisfaction with versions 17 and 18, it seems like most of the enhancements are for Windows 10 and have no effect on my Windows 7 system which I have no plans to upgrade. If things do change for the better in the future, I can always reestablish a new SMA. I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has already preceded me in downgrading back to version 16. Thanks! Later... For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16
Gene, When FS publicizes new features in each annual upgrade, they don't mention what I believe are a slew of behind-the-scenes changes they make in order to keep on top of developments on the Web. Sometimes I suspect these background improvements are what cause a deterioration in performance for some users with some websites. It's why many JAWS users keep more than one version on their systems. But if you decide to give up your SMA, you will find the Web increasingly more difficult to navigate because your old version can't catch up. That's been my experience as JAWS has gone from V. 2 to today's V. 18. There are always wrinkles. For example, when you install a new version, it will share components with any previous versions on your system. It can affect performance on the old version, which I've experienced. In fact, even when I've uninstalled an old version, decided I wanted it back, then uninstalled the new version in order to eliminate shared components, the old version comes back with problems associated with those shared components. Perhaps I've failed to get rid of all traces, but I won't mess with the registry. Others here do so all the time. I think Miriam's point about the SMA functioning as insurance is a good one. It fits in with what I'm saying here. Finally, I see no deterioration in performance between JAWS 16 and 18. In the past, a JAWS upgrade has made certain websites less easy to navigate, but I haven't had that experience in a long time. Moreover, there are so many workarounds now, most of all the success many of us have had with turning the virtual cursor off in certain situations. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gene Warner Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:26 PM To: JAWS Users Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16 Hi everyone! Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to switch from Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15. As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the Lighthouse here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had with it, it just worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the addition of the very useful command search function. Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the engine. From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was running into another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out wasn't much better. So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently recalcitrant version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version 16 to see how it compares to version 18. If it works as well as my memory of it recalls, I will eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and consider not maintaining my SMA anymore. Besides my dissatisfaction with versions 17 and 18, it seems like most of the enhancements are for Windows 10 and have no effect on my Windows 7 system which I have no plans to upgrade. If things do change for the better in the future, I can always reestablish a new SMA. I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has already preceded me in downgrading back to version 16. Thanks! Later... For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16
Hi Gene, I have been using Jaws since version 5. Over the years, I have found that some versions of Jaws are very good and others are junk. In my opinion, version 17 is junk. I had upgraded from Jaws 15 to 17. After the upgrade, I had nothing but problems. After several months of struggling, I eventually installed version 16 and that is what I am still using today. I tried version 18 for a short while, but it was still not as stable and reliable as version 16. I am using Windows 7 also. One more thing...I still use Office 2003, because I just like it a lot. Jaws version 17 support for Office 2003 was terrible. I always go back to a saying that I have used for years--"Just because you can doesn't mean you should.". Just because there is a new version of Windows or Office or Jaws or any other piece of software or hardware, doesn't mean you have to rush to install it or purchase it. I rely on my computer on a daily basis to do my job and service my clients. I demand that my core software is extremely stable and reliable. I have Jaws SMAs through version 20. I don't know if I will actually switch to those versions. Time will tell. Best, John - Original Message - From: "Gene Warner" <genewarn...@gmail.com> To: "JAWS Users" <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:25 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16 Hi everyone! Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to switch from Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15. As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the Lighthouse here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had with it, it just worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the addition of the very useful command search function. Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the engine. From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was running into another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out wasn't much better. So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently recalcitrant version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version 16 to see how it compares to version 18. If it works as well as my memory of it recalls, I will eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and consider not maintaining my SMA anymore. Besides my dissatisfaction with versions 17 and 18, it seems like most of the enhancements are for Windows 10 and have no effect on my Windows 7 system which I have no plans to upgrade. If things do change for the better in the future, I can always reestablish a new SMA. I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has already preceded me in downgrading back to version 16. Thanks! Later... For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16
Hi Gene, Although I have J15 thru J18 on all my computers my main & favorite version is J16. I use J16 about 95% of the time. Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers! Sent from my iBarstool. Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree. - Original Message - From: Gene Warner To: JAWS Users Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 12:25 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16 Hi everyone! Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to switch from Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15. As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the Lighthouse here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had with it, it just worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the addition of the very useful command search function. Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the engine. From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was running into another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out wasn't much better. So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently recalcitrant version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version 16 to see how it compares to version 18. If it works as well as my memory of it recalls, I will eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and consider not maintaining my SMA anymore. Besides my dissatisfaction with versions 17 and 18, it seems like most of the enhancements are for Windows 10 and have no effect on my Windows 7 system which I have no plans to upgrade. If things do change for the better in the future, I can always reestablish a new SMA. I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has already preceded me in downgrading back to version 16. Thanks! Later... For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16
I think that perhaps the latest upgrade of 18 may have fixed the issue I kept having, which was that Jaws periodically disappeared when I changed from one window to the next. I may be wrong. I only did the upgrade yesterday. But it's really expensive to stop paying for those SMA's. The one for personal use averages out to be $60 a year. Even if you don't use it, $60 a year is like an insurance plan in case you need a later version. If you stop paying for them and then need a new version, it will cost a lot more money. Miriam -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gene Warner Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:26 PM To: JAWS Users <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16 Hi everyone! Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to switch from Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15. As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the Lighthouse here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had with it, it just worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the addition of the very useful command search function. Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the engine. >From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was running into another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out wasn't much better. So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently recalcitrant version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version 16 to see how it compares to version 18. If it works as well as my memory of it recalls, I will eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and consider not maintaining my SMA anymore. Besides my dissatisfaction with versions 17 and 18, it seems like most of the enhancements are for Windows 10 and have no effect on my Windows 7 system which I have no plans to upgrade. If things do change for the better in the future, I can always reestablish a new SMA. I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has already preceded me in downgrading back to version 16. Thanks! Later... For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Downgrading to JAWS 16
Hi everyone! Back in 2013, when I was finally declared legally blind and had to switch from Zoom Text to JAWS, JAWS was at version 15. As I recall, other than having to learn it on my own because the Lighthouse here is a bad joke, there were few, if any problems I had with it, it just worked. JAWS 16 was pretty much the same but with the addition of the very useful command search function. Then came JAWS 17 with the apparent almost complete rewrite of the engine. From there it seemed like every time I turned around I was running into another misfunction of JAWS. Version 18, when it came out wasn't much better. So, after long thought, as well as fighting an apparently recalcitrant version of JAWS, I've finally decided to install version 16 to see how it compares to version 18. If it works as well as my memory of it recalls, I will eventually uninstall JAWS 18, and consider not maintaining my SMA anymore. Besides my dissatisfaction with versions 17 and 18, it seems like most of the enhancements are for Windows 10 and have no effect on my Windows 7 system which I have no plans to upgrade. If things do change for the better in the future, I can always reestablish a new SMA. I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this idea or has already preceded me in downgrading back to version 16. Thanks! Later... For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
