Re: [JAWS-Users] Office 2010 vs. 2016 vs. 365
Ah yes. I forgot about the differences with the spell-check. It's minor but threw me off at first. Now it doesn't really matter I suppose, particularly with regards to this list and its topics, but the "we" (not just in Office, but Windows as well) always bugs me. Who the hell's "we" then? Little Microsoft Dwarves? What is this, maelzel's chess board? Get outta here. :P -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Roger Newell Sent: February 28, 2018 12:12 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Office 2010 vs. 2016 vs. 365 The reason for the spell-check not working as it used to is that, rather than spell-check appearing as a dialog box on top of the regular Word window, it now appears in a pane on the right-hand side of the screen, just like for some other Word features. The reason that Word now says "we" is to make the language (a) more readable for people with lower IQs and those who are less technologically literate, and (b) to make Word seem more "friendly", a trend that has taken hold with technology recently. I personally like it as it makes Word seem tailored more for individual users. On 2/28/18, Adrian Spratt <adr...@adrianspratt.com> wrote: > Hi, Rebecca. I've been using Office 2016 for only two weeks. So far, I > find no advantages over 2010. I have been meaning to try out certain features. > For example, I believe 2016 handles PDF files, but I haven't looked > into it so far. After all, PDF files have become increasingly > accessible, especially with JAWS 2018. Otherwise, 2016 doesn't act as smoothly for me as 2010 did. > > > for example, often when I press the down arrow key, all I hear is the > first letter of that next line rather than the whole line. All I need > do is go back up and back down again, but it's an extra step and a distraction. > > In spell-check, "word in context" is no longer available. It's easy > enough to escape out of spell-check and do a "say line" command, but I > do miss that option. > > In Outlook 2016, you need to press control-y to go to the folders list. > Shift-tab no longer works. Of course, this is just a question of > forming a new habit, and you may already use control-y as your default. > > Outlook 2016 takes a long time to open. I do have a lot of folders and > messages, but it seems to take much longer than it did in 2010. > > There's a trick to setting up Word 2016 so that you can open files > from your chosen directory. I would gladly check my notes to explain > if the time came. > > One last curiosity. When I do a search-and-replace in Word 2016, I'm told: > "All done. We made X replacements." Who is "we"? Microsoft? Of course, > it isn't literally MS looking over my shoulder, just a way they've > chosen to confirm an operation, but it's a little creepy. > > So far the only reason I can see for upgrading to 2016 is to keep up > with technological changes. I had hoped it would overcome certain > unrelated problems I've been having, such as with Windows updates, but > those problems turn out to be exactly what I said: unrelated. Well, if > you do a lot of work on documents with other people, it looks like 2016 has some useful features. > > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] > On Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 5:08 PM > To: jaws user's list <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> > Subject: [JAWS-Users] Office 2010 vs. 2016 vs. 365 > > I'm running Windows 10, Fall Creator update, 1709. But I'm still > using Office 2010. I hesitate to update since on the list at least, > and probably naturally enough, I see more problems than benefits. > I've been reading a bit about 2016 and 365 from books on each > downloaded from Bookshare. Does anyone have any thoughts about either? > It seems these days that screen readers are always playing catch-up as > Microsoft constantly introduces changes. Since my computer is behaving > and I don't need a new one, the upgrade to a later version of Office would be a choice and not a necessity. > > Just wondering about others' experiences. > > Thoughts would be appreciated. > > Rebecca > > "The best criticism of the bad is the practice of the better" > > From: Center for Action and Contemplation > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Office 2010 vs. 2016 vs. 365
The reason for the spell-check not working as it used to is that, rather than spell-check appearing as a dialog box on top of the regular Word window, it now appears in a pane on the right-hand side of the screen, just like for some other Word features. The reason that Word now says "we" is to make the language (a) more readable for people with lower IQs and those who are less technologically literate, and (b) to make Word seem more "friendly", a trend that has taken hold with technology recently. I personally like it as it makes Word seem tailored more for individual users. On 2/28/18, Adrian Spratt <adr...@adrianspratt.com> wrote: > Hi, Rebecca. I've been using Office 2016 for only two weeks. So far, I find > no advantages over 2010. I have been meaning to try out certain features. > For example, I believe 2016 handles PDF files, but I haven't looked into it > so far. After all, PDF files have become increasingly accessible, especially > with JAWS 2018. Otherwise, 2016 doesn't act as smoothly for me as 2010 did. > > > for example, often when I press the down arrow key, all I hear is the first > letter of that next line rather than the whole line. All I need do is go > back up and back down again, but it's an extra step and a distraction. > > In spell-check, "word in context" is no longer available. It's easy enough > to escape out of spell-check and do a "say line" command, but I do miss that > option. > > In Outlook 2016, you need to press control-y to go to the folders list. > Shift-tab no longer works. Of course, this is just a question of forming a > new habit, and you may already use control-y as your default. > > Outlook 2016 takes a long time to open. I do have a lot of folders and > messages, but it seems to take much longer than it did in 2010. > > There's a trick to setting up Word 2016 so that you can open files from > your chosen directory. I would gladly check my notes to explain if the time > came. > > One last curiosity. When I do a search-and-replace in Word 2016, I'm told: > "All done. We made X replacements." Who is "we"? Microsoft? Of course, it > isn't literally MS looking over my shoulder, just a way they've chosen to > confirm an operation, but it's a little creepy. > > So far the only reason I can see for upgrading to 2016 is to keep up with > technological changes. I had hoped it would overcome certain unrelated > problems I've been having, such as with Windows updates, but those problems > turn out to be exactly what I said: unrelated. Well, if you do a lot of work > on documents with other people, it looks like 2016 has some useful features. > > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 5:08 PM > To: jaws user's list <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> > Subject: [JAWS-Users] Office 2010 vs. 2016 vs. 365 > > I'm running Windows 10, Fall Creator update, 1709. But I'm still using > Office 2010. I hesitate to update since on the list at least, and probably > naturally enough, I see more problems than benefits. I've been reading a > bit about 2016 and 365 from books on each downloaded from Bookshare. Does > anyone have any thoughts about either? It seems these days that screen > readers are always playing catch-up as Microsoft constantly introduces > changes. Since my computer is behaving and I don't need a new one, the > upgrade to a later version of Office would be a choice and not a necessity. > > Just wondering about others' experiences. > > Thoughts would be appreciated. > > Rebecca > > "The best criticism of the bad is the practice of the better" > > From: Center for Action and Contemplation > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Office 2010 vs. 2016 vs. 365
Fernando, thanks also from me for your thoughts here. Helpful information. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Fernando Gregoire Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 2:46 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Office 2010 vs. 2016 vs. 365 Hi Reveca, I use Office 2016 on all of my computers. Ultimately Microsoft is making a lot of accessibility improvements and even step-by-step tutorials on how to accomplish specific tasks by using a screen reader that are based in Office 2016 programs running together with JAWS or the Windows 10 Narrator. Besides accessibility, it only makes sense to upgrade to Office 2016 if you often work with files stored in cloud services like OneDrive and/or need to edit or copy data from PDF files to Word documents and, although it is less common from witting Word, if you use Word to read books, because Office 2013 introduced the capability to resume reading from where you left. I personally found upgrading useful, because the support for saving files to OneDrive from witting Office programs and have recently used documents synchronized is drastically enhanced over the limited and unstable support available for this in Office 2010. If you use Outlook as your e-mail client, it is easier to attach recently used files of any type without having to search in the folder structure, since Outlook 2016 by defaults shows a list of the last files used, which in Windows 10 is consistent with the Quick Access folder in File Explorer. Of course there are more specific things you may find useful or not depending on programs you use and the purposes you use these for, but I think the ones I mentioned are the most notable additions regarding daily use for a home user. Not that we're speaking about Office 2016, how well does the new Word feature that provides writing suggestions besides traditional spelling and grammar that was introduced some time ago in Office 365 works? It is not available for Spanish yet and I'm not a native English speaker, so I can't accurately judge suggestions quality myself. Hope it helps! -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 7:08 PM To: jaws user's list <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Office 2010 vs. 2016 vs. 365 I'm running Windows 10, Fall Creator update, 1709. But I'm still using Office 2010. I hesitate to update since on the list at least, and probably naturally enough, I see more problems than benefits. I've been reading a bit about 2016 and 365 from books on each downloaded from Bookshare. Does anyone have any thoughts about either? It seems these days that screen readers are always playing catch-up as Microsoft constantly introduces changes. Since my computer is behaving and I don't need a new one, the upgrade to a later version of Office would be a choice and not a necessity. Just wondering about others' experiences. Thoughts would be appreciated. Rebecca "The best criticism of the bad is the practice of the better" From: Center for Action and Contemplation For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ --- El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electrónico en busca de virus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Office 2010 vs. 2016 vs. 365
Hi Reveca, I use Office 2016 on all of my computers. Ultimately Microsoft is making a lot of accessibility improvements and even step-by-step tutorials on how to accomplish specific tasks by using a screen reader that are based in Office 2016 programs running together with JAWS or the Windows 10 Narrator. Besides accessibility, it only makes sense to upgrade to Office 2016 if you often work with files stored in cloud services like OneDrive and/or need to edit or copy data from PDF files to Word documents and, although it is less common from witting Word, if you use Word to read books, because Office 2013 introduced the capability to resume reading from where you left. I personally found upgrading useful, because the support for saving files to OneDrive from witting Office programs and have recently used documents synchronized is drastically enhanced over the limited and unstable support available for this in Office 2010. If you use Outlook as your e-mail client, it is easier to attach recently used files of any type without having to search in the folder structure, since Outlook 2016 by defaults shows a list of the last files used, which in Windows 10 is consistent with the Quick Access folder in File Explorer. Of course there are more specific things you may find useful or not depending on programs you use and the purposes you use these for, but I think the ones I mentioned are the most notable additions regarding daily use for a home user. Not that we're speaking about Office 2016, how well does the new Word feature that provides writing suggestions besides traditional spelling and grammar that was introduced some time ago in Office 365 works? It is not available for Spanish yet and I'm not a native English speaker, so I can't accurately judge suggestions quality myself. Hope it helps! -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 7:08 PM To: jaws user's list <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Office 2010 vs. 2016 vs. 365 I'm running Windows 10, Fall Creator update, 1709. But I'm still using Office 2010. I hesitate to update since on the list at least, and probably naturally enough, I see more problems than benefits. I've been reading a bit about 2016 and 365 from books on each downloaded from Bookshare. Does anyone have any thoughts about either? It seems these days that screen readers are always playing catch-up as Microsoft constantly introduces changes. Since my computer is behaving and I don't need a new one, the upgrade to a later version of Office would be a choice and not a necessity. Just wondering about others' experiences. Thoughts would be appreciated. Rebecca "The best criticism of the bad is the practice of the better" From: Center for Action and Contemplation For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ --- El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electrónico en busca de virus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Office 2010 vs. 2016 vs. 365
Hi Adrian, What is JAWS saying when you press INSERT+C when checking for spelling errors? I have Office 2016 in two different Windows 10 machines and, even when spell checker in Word is now a task pane instead of a dialog, command for ReadWordInContext works fine. Moreover, compared to prior versions, in case of grammatical errors JAWS displays the explanation and examples in the Virtual Viewer, making it easier to review this information which in the past required to open an additional help-style window or have the Office Assistant loaded. Regarding not being able to go to the folder three view in Outlook, SHIFT+F6 still works the same as in prior versions. I used to it quickly, because since Office 2007 it is not rare to use F6 in order to focus the status bar. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 2:07 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Office 2010 vs. 2016 vs. 365 Hi, Rebecca. I've been using Office 2016 for only two weeks. So far, I find no advantages over 2010. I have been meaning to try out certain features. For example, I believe 2016 handles PDF files, but I haven't looked into it so far. After all, PDF files have become increasingly accessible, especially with JAWS 2018. Otherwise, 2016 doesn't act as smoothly for me as 2010 did. for example, often when I press the down arrow key, all I hear is the first letter of that next line rather than the whole line. All I need do is go back up and back down again, but it's an extra step and a distraction. In spell-check, "word in context" is no longer available. It's easy enough to escape out of spell-check and do a "say line" command, but I do miss that option. In Outlook 2016, you need to press control-y to go to the folders list. Shift-tab no longer works. Of course, this is just a question of forming a new habit, and you may already use control-y as your default. Outlook 2016 takes a long time to open. I do have a lot of folders and messages, but it seems to take much longer than it did in 2010. There's a trick to setting up Word 2016 so that you can open files from your chosen directory. I would gladly check my notes to explain if the time came. One last curiosity. When I do a search-and-replace in Word 2016, I'm told: "All done. We made X replacements." Who is "we"? Microsoft? Of course, it isn't literally MS looking over my shoulder, just a way they've chosen to confirm an operation, but it's a little creepy. So far the only reason I can see for upgrading to 2016 is to keep up with technological changes. I had hoped it would overcome certain unrelated problems I've been having, such as with Windows updates, but those problems turn out to be exactly what I said: unrelated. Well, if you do a lot of work on documents with other people, it looks like 2016 has some useful features. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 5:08 PM To: jaws user's list <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Office 2010 vs. 2016 vs. 365 I'm running Windows 10, Fall Creator update, 1709. But I'm still using Office 2010. I hesitate to update since on the list at least, and probably naturally enough, I see more problems than benefits. I've been reading a bit about 2016 and 365 from books on each downloaded from Bookshare. Does anyone have any thoughts about either? It seems these days that screen readers are always playing catch-up as Microsoft constantly introduces changes. Since my computer is behaving and I don't need a new one, the upgrade to a later version of Office would be a choice and not a necessity. Just wondering about others' experiences. Thoughts would be appreciated. Rebecca "The best criticism of the bad is the practice of the better" From: Center for Action and Contemplation For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ --- El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electrónico en busca de virus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Office 2010 vs. 2016 vs. 365
Hi, Rebecca. I've been using Office 2016 for only two weeks. So far, I find no advantages over 2010. I have been meaning to try out certain features. For example, I believe 2016 handles PDF files, but I haven't looked into it so far. After all, PDF files have become increasingly accessible, especially with JAWS 2018. Otherwise, 2016 doesn't act as smoothly for me as 2010 did. for example, often when I press the down arrow key, all I hear is the first letter of that next line rather than the whole line. All I need do is go back up and back down again, but it's an extra step and a distraction. In spell-check, "word in context" is no longer available. It's easy enough to escape out of spell-check and do a "say line" command, but I do miss that option. In Outlook 2016, you need to press control-y to go to the folders list. Shift-tab no longer works. Of course, this is just a question of forming a new habit, and you may already use control-y as your default. Outlook 2016 takes a long time to open. I do have a lot of folders and messages, but it seems to take much longer than it did in 2010. There's a trick to setting up Word 2016 so that you can open files from your chosen directory. I would gladly check my notes to explain if the time came. One last curiosity. When I do a search-and-replace in Word 2016, I'm told: "All done. We made X replacements." Who is "we"? Microsoft? Of course, it isn't literally MS looking over my shoulder, just a way they've chosen to confirm an operation, but it's a little creepy. So far the only reason I can see for upgrading to 2016 is to keep up with technological changes. I had hoped it would overcome certain unrelated problems I've been having, such as with Windows updates, but those problems turn out to be exactly what I said: unrelated. Well, if you do a lot of work on documents with other people, it looks like 2016 has some useful features. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 5:08 PM To: jaws user's list <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Office 2010 vs. 2016 vs. 365 I'm running Windows 10, Fall Creator update, 1709. But I'm still using Office 2010. I hesitate to update since on the list at least, and probably naturally enough, I see more problems than benefits. I've been reading a bit about 2016 and 365 from books on each downloaded from Bookshare. Does anyone have any thoughts about either? It seems these days that screen readers are always playing catch-up as Microsoft constantly introduces changes. Since my computer is behaving and I don't need a new one, the upgrade to a later version of Office would be a choice and not a necessity. Just wondering about others' experiences. Thoughts would be appreciated. Rebecca "The best criticism of the bad is the practice of the better" From: Center for Action and Contemplation For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Office 2010 vs. 2016 vs. 365
Really Microsoft didn’t add much features in 2016 the 365 just can be a subscription software. The only changes are security stuff. You could actually use 2003 and it wouldn’t make much difference. The only major move was office 2001from the standard menus to office 2003 ribbon menus. E-mail is golden!!! Kevin Lee From: Rebecca Lineberger Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 2:09 PM To: jaws user's list Subject: [JAWS-Users] Office 2010 vs. 2016 vs. 365 I'm running Windows 10, Fall Creator update, 1709. But I'm still using Office 2010. I hesitate to update since on the list at least, and probably naturally enough, I see more problems than benefits. I've been reading a bit about 2016 and 365 from books on each downloaded from Bookshare. Does anyone have any thoughts about either? It seems these days that screen readers are always playing catch-up as Microsoft constantly introduces changes. Since my computer is behaving and I don't need a new one, the upgrade to a later version of Office would be a choice and not a necessity. Just wondering about others' experiences. Thoughts would be appreciated. Rebecca "The best criticism of the bad is the practice of the better" From: Center for Action and Contemplation For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Office 2010 vs. 2016 vs. 365
Hi Rebecca. I use Office 2010 on this computer (Windows 10) and I'm quite ok with it. I was considering getting office 2016 because I had applied to a remote (home-based) job and they had asked if I had a recent version of Office. Turns out, I didn't get the job after all, so it's not a pressing issue for me anymore. I did use Office 2016 at my old (not home-based) work, and it worked well enough, but I can't say I really noted any practical benefits over the version I have now. It was easier to get to certain things that I used for that job, like the accessibility checker, which I didn't even realise was a feature of 2010 until recently. But honestly, even though I used that at work, it isn't all that important to me. I would consider an upgrade to 2016 still, but probably not 365, as I understand that is the Office subscription-based service, which doesn't sound all that ideal, to me. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger Sent: February 27, 2018 5:08 PM To: jaws user's list Subject: [JAWS-Users] Office 2010 vs. 2016 vs. 365 I'm running Windows 10, Fall Creator update, 1709. But I'm still using Office 2010. I hesitate to update since on the list at least, and probably naturally enough, I see more problems than benefits. I've been reading a bit about 2016 and 365 from books on each downloaded from Bookshare. Does anyone have any thoughts about either? It seems these days that screen readers are always playing catch-up as Microsoft constantly introduces changes. Since my computer is behaving and I don't need a new one, the upgrade to a later version of Office would be a choice and not a necessity. Just wondering about others' experiences. Thoughts would be appreciated. Rebecca "The best criticism of the bad is the practice of the better" From: Center for Action and Contemplation For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Office 2010 vs. 2016 vs. 365
I'm running Windows 10, Fall Creator update, 1709. But I'm still using Office 2010. I hesitate to update since on the list at least, and probably naturally enough, I see more problems than benefits. I've been reading a bit about 2016 and 365 from books on each downloaded from Bookshare. Does anyone have any thoughts about either? It seems these days that screen readers are always playing catch-up as Microsoft constantly introduces changes. Since my computer is behaving and I don't need a new one, the upgrade to a later version of Office would be a choice and not a necessity. Just wondering about others' experiences. Thoughts would be appreciated. Rebecca "The best criticism of the bad is the practice of the better" From: Center for Action and Contemplation For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
