Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010
Thanks all, for the suggestions. Rich - Original Message - From: Mike B. mb69ma...@charter.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 Hi Again Rich, I should have been more thorough in my last reply. I didn't see anything in the Ubit documentation about Outlook or WLm but, that could been an oversight on my behalf. I don't even know if the ribbons in Outlook or WLm can be minimized or maximized. I don't use either of these Email clients so, I don't know this either. Hopefully people using Ubit will test it with these programs report back. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 WLM is not part of MS office. - Original Message - From: Richard Hamel rcha...@bellsouth.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:12 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 Would this program work in WLM? Rich -Original Message- From: Mike B. Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:23 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 Hi Jim, I, like you, don't care for the ribbons I don't use them enough to really get familiar with them or the shortcut keystrokes but, I may have something for you. I found this great little program / app called, UBit, that makes the ribbons work kind of like the older menues from older versions of Office. Go to the link below: http://www.ubit.ch/software/ubitmenu-languages/ Once you're on the website press the letter, H, to navigate by heading you'll land on: UBitMenu for Office 2007, 2010 and 2013 Shortcuts Now, arrow down to: . Download English UBitMenu Click on the link to get the download. I'll put the steps for Office 2010 below. for private use (free for private use). This setup will work with Office 2007, 2010 and 2013. Close all open Office programs before installing! Office 2010 Steps: Personally, before using the Ubit program I turn a couple of things off in Jaws / Options/ Basics to cut down on excess Jaws chatter. They are: Tutor Message, Turn off Menu and Control Help Access Key, set to off. After installing the UBit program do the following to access the menues: MS Word: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File sub-menu, for example, so, press enter to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the menu you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open. Note: That anything new to 2007 or later shows up at the bottom of the appropriate menu, so you don't lose anything. Excel: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File button dropdown, for example so, press the spacebar to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the option you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open. Power Point: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File button dropdown, for example so, press the spacebar to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the option you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open. HTH Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Jim Pursley To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 5:51 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 I am finding the recent ribbon menu discussions helpful as I struggle to transition from rank ribbon neophyte to journeyman. I'm using win7, 64 bit. When I land on a dropdown grid in an element on a lower ribbon I attempt to use the arrow keys as instructed and nothing happens. None of the other navigational techniques I know work either - tab, etc. I enabled the JAWS ribbon menu for ease of access. Any ideas how to unlock the dropdown grid's secrets? More generally..I see where not using the JAWS ribbon menu feature can be advantageous to one who can first letter navigate. Is the ribbon menu feature just the equivalent of training wheels? This said, I use Word only for drafts and won't likely need more than an occasional layout and print color change. Bottom line, I don't like extensive tabbing or arrowing so maybe going cold turkey to the pure ribbon view may work
Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010
hello there; my first thought is, do you have the view setup properly in windows live mail on the computers which are giving you the problemns? Here's some instructions for setting the view in wlm2011. while in Wlm, Try the following; Note; These instructions assume that you don't have the jaws ribbon feature turned on. Yu need to: Go into the view menu, Set the; Message list drop down; To one line view, So, Alt+v=view, use the tab key, , until you hear message drop down, Press enter. Now tab and select, one line view press enter. Next, Alt+v=view, use the tab key, until you hear; Reading pane drop down press enter. Now tab to off, press enter. Next, Alt+v=view, use the tab key, until you hear; Calendar pane, If it says, Calendar pane pressed, Press enter this turns off the calendar pane. Next, Follow the above steps, Alt+v=view, Using the tab key, if you hear; Quick views button pressed, Press the enter key to turn off. Next, Depending on how you want to receive your messages, Ascending or descending, Alt+v=view, Use the tab key until you hear; Sort order drop down, Enter or spacebar, Make your choice press enter. By the way, there are key strokes to do this, however, I thought it best for folks to learn how to navigate the menus. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Rich Hamel Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:19 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 Thanks all, for the suggestions. Rich - Original Message - From: Mike B. mb69ma...@charter.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 Hi Again Rich, I should have been more thorough in my last reply. I didn't see anything in the Ubit documentation about Outlook or WLm but, that could been an oversight on my behalf. I don't even know if the ribbons in Outlook or WLm can be minimized or maximized. I don't use either of these Email clients so, I don't know this either. Hopefully people using Ubit will test it with these programs report back. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 WLM is not part of MS office. - Original Message - From: Richard Hamel rcha...@bellsouth.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:12 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 Would this program work in WLM? Rich -Original Message- From: Mike B. Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:23 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 Hi Jim, I, like you, don't care for the ribbons I don't use them enough to really get familiar with them or the shortcut keystrokes but, I may have something for you. I found this great little program / app called, UBit, that makes the ribbons work kind of like the older menues from older versions of Office. Go to the link below: http://www.ubit.ch/software/ubitmenu-languages/ Once you're on the website press the letter, H, to navigate by heading you'll land on: UBitMenu for Office 2007, 2010 and 2013 Shortcuts Now, arrow down to: . Download English UBitMenu Click on the link to get the download. I'll put the steps for Office 2010 below. for private use (free for private use). This setup will work with Office 2007, 2010 and 2013. Close all open Office programs before installing! Office 2010 Steps: Personally, before using the Ubit program I turn a couple of things off in Jaws / Options/ Basics to cut down on excess Jaws chatter. They are: Tutor Message, Turn off Menu and Control Help Access Key, set to off. After installing the UBit program do the following to access the menues: MS Word: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File sub-menu, for example, so, press enter to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the menu you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open. Note: That anything new to 2007 or later shows up at the bottom of the appropriate menu, so you don't lose anything. Excel: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File button dropdown, for example so, press the spacebar to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the option you want press enter
Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010
Thanks so much David, Why would you turn off the Quick Views? Rich - Original Message - From: david davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 hello there; my first thought is, do you have the view setup properly in windows live mail on the computers which are giving you the problemns? Here's some instructions for setting the view in wlm2011. while in Wlm, Try the following; Note; These instructions assume that you don't have the jaws ribbon feature turned on. Yu need to: Go into the view menu, Set the; Message list drop down; To one line view, So, Alt+v=view, use the tab key, , until you hear message drop down, Press enter. Now tab and select, one line view press enter. Next, Alt+v=view, use the tab key, until you hear; Reading pane drop down press enter. Now tab to off, press enter. Next, Alt+v=view, use the tab key, until you hear; Calendar pane, If it says, Calendar pane pressed, Press enter this turns off the calendar pane. Next, Follow the above steps, Alt+v=view, Using the tab key, if you hear; Quick views button pressed, Press the enter key to turn off. Next, Depending on how you want to receive your messages, Ascending or descending, Alt+v=view, Use the tab key until you hear; Sort order drop down, Enter or spacebar, Make your choice press enter. By the way, there are key strokes to do this, however, I thought it best for folks to learn how to navigate the menus. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Rich Hamel Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:19 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 Thanks all, for the suggestions. Rich - Original Message - From: Mike B. mb69ma...@charter.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 Hi Again Rich, I should have been more thorough in my last reply. I didn't see anything in the Ubit documentation about Outlook or WLm but, that could been an oversight on my behalf. I don't even know if the ribbons in Outlook or WLm can be minimized or maximized. I don't use either of these Email clients so, I don't know this either. Hopefully people using Ubit will test it with these programs report back. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 WLM is not part of MS office. - Original Message - From: Richard Hamel rcha...@bellsouth.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:12 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 Would this program work in WLM? Rich -Original Message- From: Mike B. Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:23 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 Hi Jim, I, like you, don't care for the ribbons I don't use them enough to really get familiar with them or the shortcut keystrokes but, I may have something for you. I found this great little program / app called, UBit, that makes the ribbons work kind of like the older menues from older versions of Office. Go to the link below: http://www.ubit.ch/software/ubitmenu-languages/ Once you're on the website press the letter, H, to navigate by heading you'll land on: UBitMenu for Office 2007, 2010 and 2013 Shortcuts Now, arrow down to: . Download English UBitMenu Click on the link to get the download. I'll put the steps for Office 2010 below. for private use (free for private use). This setup will work with Office 2007, 2010 and 2013. Close all open Office programs before installing! Office 2010 Steps: Personally, before using the Ubit program I turn a couple of things off in Jaws / Options/ Basics to cut down on excess Jaws chatter. They are: Tutor Message, Turn off Menu and Control Help Access Key, set to off. After installing the UBit program do the following to access the menues: MS Word: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File sub-menu, for example, so, press enter to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the menu you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open. Note: That anything new to 2007 or later shows up at the bottom of the appropriate menu, so you don't lose anything. Excel: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File button dropdown
Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010
hello; I believe, turning off the quick views, gives a user a little more stable navigation. other, wise, no real reason, it's totally up to the user on his or her prefference. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Rich Hamel Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:16 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 Thanks so much David, Why would you turn off the Quick Views? Rich - Original Message - From: david davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 hello there; my first thought is, do you have the view setup properly in windows live mail on the computers which are giving you the problemns? Here's some instructions for setting the view in wlm2011. while in Wlm, Try the following; Note; These instructions assume that you don't have the jaws ribbon feature turned on. Yu need to: Go into the view menu, Set the; Message list drop down; To one line view, So, Alt+v=view, use the tab key, , until you hear message drop down, Press enter. Now tab and select, one line view press enter. Next, Alt+v=view, use the tab key, until you hear; Reading pane drop down press enter. Now tab to off, press enter. Next, Alt+v=view, use the tab key, until you hear; Calendar pane, If it says, Calendar pane pressed, Press enter this turns off the calendar pane. Next, Follow the above steps, Alt+v=view, Using the tab key, if you hear; Quick views button pressed, Press the enter key to turn off. Next, Depending on how you want to receive your messages, Ascending or descending, Alt+v=view, Use the tab key until you hear; Sort order drop down, Enter or spacebar, Make your choice press enter. By the way, there are key strokes to do this, however, I thought it best for folks to learn how to navigate the menus. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Rich Hamel Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 8:19 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 Thanks all, for the suggestions. Rich - Original Message - From: Mike B. mb69ma...@charter.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 Hi Again Rich, I should have been more thorough in my last reply. I didn't see anything in the Ubit documentation about Outlook or WLm but, that could been an oversight on my behalf. I don't even know if the ribbons in Outlook or WLm can be minimized or maximized. I don't use either of these Email clients so, I don't know this either. Hopefully people using Ubit will test it with these programs report back. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 WLM is not part of MS office. - Original Message - From: Richard Hamel rcha...@bellsouth.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:12 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 Would this program work in WLM? Rich -Original Message- From: Mike B. Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:23 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 Hi Jim, I, like you, don't care for the ribbons I don't use them enough to really get familiar with them or the shortcut keystrokes but, I may have something for you. I found this great little program / app called, UBit, that makes the ribbons work kind of like the older menues from older versions of Office. Go to the link below: http://www.ubit.ch/software/ubitmenu-languages/ Once you're on the website press the letter, H, to navigate by heading you'll land on: UBitMenu for Office 2007, 2010 and 2013 Shortcuts Now, arrow down to: . Download English UBitMenu Click on the link to get the download. I'll put the steps for Office 2010 below. for private use (free for private use). This setup will work with Office 2007, 2010 and 2013. Close all open Office programs before installing! Office 2010 Steps: Personally, before using the Ubit program I turn a couple of things off in Jaws / Options/ Basics to cut down on excess Jaws chatter. They are: Tutor Message, Turn off Menu and Control Help Access Key, set to off. After installing the UBit program do the following to access the menues: MS Word: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File sub-menu, for example
Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010
Hi Jim, I, like you, don't care for the ribbons I don't use them enough to really get familiar with them or the shortcut keystrokes but, I may have something for you. I found this great little program / app called, UBit, that makes the ribbons work kind of like the older menues from older versions of Office. Go to the link below: http://www.ubit.ch/software/ubitmenu-languages/ Once you're on the website press the letter, H, to navigate by heading you'll land on: UBitMenu for Office 2007, 2010 and 2013 Shortcuts Now, arrow down to: . Download English UBitMenu Click on the link to get the download. I'll put the steps for Office 2010 below. for private use (free for private use). This setup will work with Office 2007, 2010 and 2013. Close all open Office programs before installing! Office 2010 Steps: Personally, before using the Ubit program I turn a couple of things off in Jaws / Options/ Basics to cut down on excess Jaws chatter. They are: Tutor Message, Turn off Menu and Control Help Access Key, set to off. After installing the UBit program do the following to access the menues: MS Word: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File sub-menu, for example, so, press enter to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the menu you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open. Note: That anything new to 2007 or later shows up at the bottom of the appropriate menu, so you don't lose anything. Excel: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File button dropdown, for example so, press the spacebar to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the option you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open. Power Point: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File button dropdown, for example so, press the spacebar to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the option you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open. HTH Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Jim Pursley To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 5:51 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 I am finding the recent ribbon menu discussions helpful as I struggle to transition from rank ribbon neophyte to journeyman. I'm using win7, 64 bit. When I land on a dropdown grid in an element on a lower ribbon I attempt to use the arrow keys as instructed and nothing happens. None of the other navigational techniques I know work either - tab, etc. I enabled the JAWS ribbon menu for ease of access. Any ideas how to unlock the dropdown grid's secrets? More generally..I see where not using the JAWS ribbon menu feature can be advantageous to one who can first letter navigate. Is the ribbon menu feature just the equivalent of training wheels? This said, I use Word only for drafts and won't likely need more than an occasional layout and print color change. Bottom line, I don't like extensive tabbing or arrowing so maybe going cold turkey to the pure ribbon view may work for me. May I have a quick intro to using ribbons without the virtual ribbon menu feature? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010
Any downside to installing and using UBit, Mike? I like that the program is updated to include Office2013, indicating that the issuer is quite contemporary. So many apps come and go. I do use Excel extensively, so I'd likely find Ubit useful even as I will eventually transition to Office 2013. On 3/18/2014 10:23 AM, Mike B. wrote: Hi Jim, I, like you, don't care for the ribbons I don't use them enough to really get familiar with them or the shortcut keystrokes but, I may have something for you. I found this great little program / app called, UBit, that makes the ribbons work kind of like the older menues from older versions of Office. Go to the link below: http://www.ubit.ch/software/ubitmenu-languages/ Once you're on the website press the letter, H, to navigate by heading you'll land on: UBitMenu for Office 2007, 2010 and 2013 Shortcuts Now, arrow down to: . Download English UBitMenu Click on the link to get the download. I'll put the steps for Office 2010 below. for private use (free for private use). This setup will work with Office 2007, 2010 and 2013. Close all open Office programs before installing! Office 2010 Steps: Personally, before using the Ubit program I turn a couple of things off in Jaws / Options/ Basics to cut down on excess Jaws chatter. They are: Tutor Message, Turn off Menu and Control Help Access Key, set to off. After installing the UBit program do the following to access the menues: MS Word: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File sub-menu, for example, so, press enter to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the menu you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open.?? Note: That anything new to 2007 or later shows up at the bottom of the appropriate menu, so you don't lose anything. Excel: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File button dropdown, for example so, press the spacebar to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the option you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open.?? Power Point: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File button dropdown, for example so, press the spacebar to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the option you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open.?? HTH Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Jim Pursley To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 5:51 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 I am finding the recent ribbon menu discussions helpful as I struggle to transition from rank ribbon neophyte to journeyman. I'm using win7, 64 bit. When I land on a dropdown grid in an element on a lower ribbon I attempt to use the arrow keys as instructed and nothing happens. None of the other navigational techniques I know work either - tab, etc. I enabled the JAWS ribbon menu for ease of access. Any ideas how to unlock the dropdown grid's secrets? More generally..I see where not using the JAWS ribbon menu feature can be advantageous to one who can first letter navigate. Is the ribbon menu feature just the equivalent of training wheels? This said, I use Word only for drafts and won't likely need more than an occasional layout and print color change. Bottom line, I don't like extensive tabbing or arrowing so maybe going cold turkey to the pure ribbon view may work for me. May I have a quick intro to using ribbons without the virtual ribbon menu feature? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010
Hi Jim, If there's a downside to installing Ubit, I haven't found it yet! LOL LOL Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Jim Pursley To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 6:50 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 Any downside to installing and using UBit, Mike? I like that the program is updated to include Office2013, indicating that the issuer is quite contemporary. So many apps come and go. I do use Excel extensively, so I'd likely find Ubit useful even as I will eventually transition to Office 2013. On 3/18/2014 10:23 AM, Mike B. wrote: Hi Jim, I, like you, don't care for the ribbons I don't use them enough to really get familiar with them or the shortcut keystrokes but, I may have something for you. I found this great little program / app called, UBit, that makes the ribbons work kind of like the older menues from older versions of Office. Go to the link below: http://www.ubit.ch/software/ubitmenu-languages/ Once you're on the website press the letter, H, to navigate by heading you'll land on: UBitMenu for Office 2007, 2010 and 2013 Shortcuts Now, arrow down to: . Download English UBitMenu Click on the link to get the download. I'll put the steps for Office 2010 below. for private use (free for private use). This setup will work with Office 2007, 2010 and 2013. Close all open Office programs before installing! Office 2010 Steps: Personally, before using the Ubit program I turn a couple of things off in Jaws / Options/ Basics to cut down on excess Jaws chatter. They are: Tutor Message, Turn off Menu and Control Help Access Key, set to off. After installing the UBit program do the following to access the menues: MS Word: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File sub-menu, for example, so, press enter to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the menu you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open.?? Note: That anything new to 2007 or later shows up at the bottom of the appropriate menu, so you don't lose anything. Excel: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File button dropdown, for example so, press the spacebar to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the option you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open.?? Power Point: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File button dropdown, for example so, press the spacebar to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the option you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open.?? HTH Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Jim Pursley To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 5:51 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 I am finding the recent ribbon menu discussions helpful as I struggle to transition from rank ribbon neophyte to journeyman. I'm using win7, 64 bit. When I land on a dropdown grid in an element on a lower ribbon I attempt to use the arrow keys as instructed and nothing happens. None of the other navigational techniques I know work either - tab, etc. I enabled the JAWS ribbon menu for ease of access. Any ideas how to unlock the dropdown grid's secrets? More generally..I see where not using the JAWS ribbon menu feature can be advantageous to one who can first letter navigate. Is the ribbon menu feature just the equivalent of training wheels? This said, I use Word only for drafts and won't likely need more than an occasional layout and print color change. Bottom line, I don't like extensive tabbing or arrowing so maybe going cold turkey to the pure ribbon view may work for me. May I have a quick intro to using ribbons without the virtual ribbon menu feature? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010
Hi In Outlook 2010, when I hit an item in the ribbons that says drop down, I press space bar to open it and then use the arrow keys to explore its choices. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Pursley Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 08:52 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 I am finding the recent ribbon menu discussions helpful as I struggle to transition from rank ribbon neophyte to journeyman. I'm using win7, 64 bit. When I land on a dropdown grid in an element on a lower ribbon I attempt to use the arrow keys as instructed and nothing happens. None of the other navigational techniques I know work either - tab, etc. I enabled the JAWS ribbon menu for ease of access. Any ideas how to unlock the dropdown grid's secrets? More generally..I see where not using the JAWS ribbon menu feature can be advantageous to one who can first letter navigate. Is the ribbon menu feature just the equivalent of training wheels? This said, I use Word only for drafts and won't likely need more than an occasional layout and print color change. Bottom line, I don't like extensive tabbing or arrowing so maybe going cold turkey to the pure ribbon view may work for me. May I have a quick intro to using ribbons without the virtual ribbon menu feature? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010
I explored the dropdown grid under insert/mailings in Word 2010..nada. Then heartened after reading your recent note about your experience in Outlook 2007 I decided to check other dropdown grids. This time my spacebar efforts bore fruit and I did indeed see grids/lists - apparently a huge number of choices. Tks for the inspiration, Mike. This said, On 3/18/2014 2:15 PM, Mike O'Brien wrote: Hi In Outlook 2010, when I hit an item in the ribbons that says drop down, I press space bar to open it and then use the arrow keys to explore its choices. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Pursley Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 08:52 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 I am finding the recent ribbon menu discussions helpful as I struggle to transition from rank ribbon neophyte to journeyman. I'm using win7, 64 bit. When I land on a dropdown grid in an element on a lower ribbon I attempt to use the arrow keys as instructed and nothing happens. None of the other navigational techniques I know work either - tab, etc. I enabled the JAWS ribbon menu for ease of access. Any ideas how to unlock the dropdown grid's secrets? More generally..I see where not using the JAWS ribbon menu feature can be advantageous to one who can first letter navigate. Is the ribbon menu feature just the equivalent of training wheels? This said, I use Word only for drafts and won't likely need more than an occasional layout and print color change. Bottom line, I don't like extensive tabbing or arrowing so maybe going cold turkey to the pure ribbon view may work for me. May I have a quick intro to using ribbons without the virtual ribbon menu feature? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010
Would this program work in WLM? Rich -Original Message- From: Mike B. Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:23 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 Hi Jim, I, like you, don't care for the ribbons I don't use them enough to really get familiar with them or the shortcut keystrokes but, I may have something for you. I found this great little program / app called, UBit, that makes the ribbons work kind of like the older menues from older versions of Office. Go to the link below: http://www.ubit.ch/software/ubitmenu-languages/ Once you're on the website press the letter, H, to navigate by heading you'll land on: UBitMenu for Office 2007, 2010 and 2013 Shortcuts Now, arrow down to: . Download English UBitMenu Click on the link to get the download. I'll put the steps for Office 2010 below. for private use (free for private use). This setup will work with Office 2007, 2010 and 2013. Close all open Office programs before installing! Office 2010 Steps: Personally, before using the Ubit program I turn a couple of things off in Jaws / Options/ Basics to cut down on excess Jaws chatter. They are: Tutor Message, Turn off Menu and Control Help Access Key, set to off. After installing the UBit program do the following to access the menues: MS Word: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File sub-menu, for example, so, press enter to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the menu you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open. Note: That anything new to 2007 or later shows up at the bottom of the appropriate menu, so you don't lose anything. Excel: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File button dropdown, for example so, press the spacebar to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the option you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open. Power Point: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File button dropdown, for example so, press the spacebar to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the option you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open. HTH Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Jim Pursley To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 5:51 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 I am finding the recent ribbon menu discussions helpful as I struggle to transition from rank ribbon neophyte to journeyman. I'm using win7, 64 bit. When I land on a dropdown grid in an element on a lower ribbon I attempt to use the arrow keys as instructed and nothing happens. None of the other navigational techniques I know work either - tab, etc. I enabled the JAWS ribbon menu for ease of access. Any ideas how to unlock the dropdown grid's secrets? More generally..I see where not using the JAWS ribbon menu feature can be advantageous to one who can first letter navigate. Is the ribbon menu feature just the equivalent of training wheels? This said, I use Word only for drafts and won't likely need more than an occasional layout and print color change. Bottom line, I don't like extensive tabbing or arrowing so maybe going cold turkey to the pure ribbon view may work for me. May I have a quick intro to using ribbons without the virtual ribbon menu feature? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010
Hi Rich, I don't know but, it wouldn't hurt if you try it let the list know if it does. I don't use WLM so, I can't try it myself. If you install it, don't like it, you can remove it from the control panel / programs features in Win7 or, in control panel / add remove programs in XP. It's a very small program / app doesn't take much time to install / uninstall. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Richard Hamel To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 Would this program work in WLM? Rich -Original Message- From: Mike B. Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:23 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 Hi Jim, I, like you, don't care for the ribbons I don't use them enough to really get familiar with them or the shortcut keystrokes but, I may have something for you. I found this great little program / app called, UBit, that makes the ribbons work kind of like the older menues from older versions of Office. Go to the link below: http://www.ubit.ch/software/ubitmenu-languages/ Once you're on the website press the letter, H, to navigate by heading you'll land on: UBitMenu for Office 2007, 2010 and 2013 Shortcuts Now, arrow down to: . Download English UBitMenu Click on the link to get the download. I'll put the steps for Office 2010 below. for private use (free for private use). This setup will work with Office 2007, 2010 and 2013. Close all open Office programs before installing! Office 2010 Steps: Personally, before using the Ubit program I turn a couple of things off in Jaws / Options/ Basics to cut down on excess Jaws chatter. They are: Tutor Message, Turn off Menu and Control Help Access Key, set to off. After installing the UBit program do the following to access the menues: MS Word: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File sub-menu, for example, so, press enter to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the menu you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open. Note: That anything new to 2007 or later shows up at the bottom of the appropriate menu, so you don't lose anything. Excel: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File button dropdown, for example so, press the spacebar to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the option you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open. Power Point: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File button dropdown, for example so, press the spacebar to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the option you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open. HTH Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Jim Pursley To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 5:51 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 I am finding the recent ribbon menu discussions helpful as I struggle to transition from rank ribbon neophyte to journeyman. I'm using win7, 64 bit. When I land on a dropdown grid in an element on a lower ribbon I attempt to use the arrow keys as instructed and nothing happens. None of the other navigational techniques I know work either - tab, etc. I enabled the JAWS ribbon menu for ease of access. Any ideas how to unlock the dropdown grid's secrets? More generally..I see where not using the JAWS ribbon menu feature can be advantageous to one who can first letter navigate. Is the ribbon menu feature just the equivalent of training wheels? This said, I use Word only for drafts and won't likely need more than an occasional layout and print color change. Bottom line, I don't like extensive tabbing or arrowing so maybe going cold turkey to the pure ribbon view may work for me. May I have a quick intro to using ribbons without the virtual ribbon menu feature? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010
WLM is not part of MS office. - Original Message - From: Richard Hamel rcha...@bellsouth.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:12 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 Would this program work in WLM? Rich -Original Message- From: Mike B. Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:23 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 Hi Jim, I, like you, don't care for the ribbons I don't use them enough to really get familiar with them or the shortcut keystrokes but, I may have something for you. I found this great little program / app called, UBit, that makes the ribbons work kind of like the older menues from older versions of Office. Go to the link below: http://www.ubit.ch/software/ubitmenu-languages/ Once you're on the website press the letter, H, to navigate by heading you'll land on: UBitMenu for Office 2007, 2010 and 2013 Shortcuts Now, arrow down to: . Download English UBitMenu Click on the link to get the download. I'll put the steps for Office 2010 below. for private use (free for private use). This setup will work with Office 2007, 2010 and 2013. Close all open Office programs before installing! Office 2010 Steps: Personally, before using the Ubit program I turn a couple of things off in Jaws / Options/ Basics to cut down on excess Jaws chatter. They are: Tutor Message, Turn off Menu and Control Help Access Key, set to off. After installing the UBit program do the following to access the menues: MS Word: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File sub-menu, for example, so, press enter to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the menu you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open. Note: That anything new to 2007 or later shows up at the bottom of the appropriate menu, so you don't lose anything. Excel: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File button dropdown, for example so, press the spacebar to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the option you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open. Power Point: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File button dropdown, for example so, press the spacebar to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the option you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open. HTH Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Jim Pursley To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 5:51 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 I am finding the recent ribbon menu discussions helpful as I struggle to transition from rank ribbon neophyte to journeyman. I'm using win7, 64 bit. When I land on a dropdown grid in an element on a lower ribbon I attempt to use the arrow keys as instructed and nothing happens. None of the other navigational techniques I know work either - tab, etc. I enabled the JAWS ribbon menu for ease of access. Any ideas how to unlock the dropdown grid's secrets? More generally..I see where not using the JAWS ribbon menu feature can be advantageous to one who can first letter navigate. Is the ribbon menu feature just the equivalent of training wheels? This said, I use Word only for drafts and won't likely need more than an occasional layout and print color change. Bottom line, I don't like extensive tabbing or arrowing so maybe going cold turkey to the pure ribbon view may work for me. May I have a quick intro to using ribbons without the virtual ribbon menu feature? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010
Hi Again Rich, I should have been more thorough in my last reply. I didn't see anything in the Ubit documentation about Outlook or WLm but, that could been an oversight on my behalf. I don't even know if the ribbons in Outlook or WLm can be minimized or maximized. I don't use either of these Email clients so, I don't know this either. Hopefully people using Ubit will test it with these programs report back. Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Flor Lynch To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 WLM is not part of MS office. - Original Message - From: Richard Hamel rcha...@bellsouth.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:12 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 Would this program work in WLM? Rich -Original Message- From: Mike B. Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:23 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 Hi Jim, I, like you, don't care for the ribbons I don't use them enough to really get familiar with them or the shortcut keystrokes but, I may have something for you. I found this great little program / app called, UBit, that makes the ribbons work kind of like the older menues from older versions of Office. Go to the link below: http://www.ubit.ch/software/ubitmenu-languages/ Once you're on the website press the letter, H, to navigate by heading you'll land on: UBitMenu for Office 2007, 2010 and 2013 Shortcuts Now, arrow down to: . Download English UBitMenu Click on the link to get the download. I'll put the steps for Office 2010 below. for private use (free for private use). This setup will work with Office 2007, 2010 and 2013. Close all open Office programs before installing! Office 2010 Steps: Personally, before using the Ubit program I turn a couple of things off in Jaws / Options/ Basics to cut down on excess Jaws chatter. They are: Tutor Message, Turn off Menu and Control Help Access Key, set to off. After installing the UBit program do the following to access the menues: MS Word: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File sub-menu, for example, so, press enter to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the menu you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open. Note: That anything new to 2007 or later shows up at the bottom of the appropriate menu, so you don't lose anything. Excel: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File button dropdown, for example so, press the spacebar to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the option you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open. Power Point: 1. Press the, Alt key, to open the menu bar. 2. Right arrow 2 times to the, Menu tab. 3. Now you can tab from menu to menu. When you are on the menu you want you'll hear, File button dropdown, for example so, press the spacebar to open the dropdown list you can down or up arrow through the list of options. 4. When you are on the option you want press enter or if you hear an option / button, press the spacebar to open. HTH Take care. Mike This email was sent from my, iBarstool. - Original Message - From: Jim Pursley To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 5:51 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Dropdown grids in Word 2010 I am finding the recent ribbon menu discussions helpful as I struggle to transition from rank ribbon neophyte to journeyman. I'm using win7, 64 bit. When I land on a dropdown grid in an element on a lower ribbon I attempt to use the arrow keys as instructed and nothing happens. None of the other navigational techniques I know work either - tab, etc. I enabled the JAWS ribbon menu for ease of access. Any ideas how to unlock the dropdown grid's secrets? More generally..I see where not using the JAWS ribbon menu feature can be advantageous to one who can first letter navigate. Is the ribbon menu feature just the equivalent of training wheels? This said, I use Word only for drafts and won't likely need more than an occasional layout and print color change. Bottom line, I don't like extensive tabbing or arrowing so maybe going cold turkey to the pure ribbon view may work for me. May I have a quick intro to using ribbons without the virtual ribbon menu feature? For answers to frequently asked questions about
