Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential
Below is a link from AV-Comparatives that rates antivirus programs. MSSE rates very highly. http://www.av-comparatives.org/images/stories/test/ondret/avc_report26.pdf -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:50 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential Mo, I'm afraid you're letting your bias against Microsoft software influence your judgement on av programs. As one who has encountered several instances of Avast 5, it is almost impossible to uninstall without either going into Safe Mode, or if you are lucky enough to click on the uninstall button within the twenty seconds they allow if you do it from add/remove programs. I think you could also use appremover to uninstall it, but it otherwise isn't easy. Considering that the Microsoft Security Essentials program has very good reviews from different sources including Windows Secrets, that it utilizes very low resources, that it doesn't have any accessibility issues, and that it can be easily temporarily disabled or permanently uninstalled, I have used it and recommend it for my clients. I don't see any reason to use another company's anti-virus product when it still isn't completely accessible. - Original Message - From: "Mobeen Iqbal" To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential > Avast's removal process has vastly improved from version 4.8, can you > positively state its not better than MSEE if you haven't tried their > latest version? if you have, then that's just your opinion, its enough for > me that i have to use microsoft's software for daily tasks, i'll refrane > from using their anti virus packages as well purely because if they do > inadvertantly break something which they're almost certainly bound to do > at some point just like they've done in the past, then i'm not being > lumbered with an unnecissary problem. Avast has got me out of quite a few > holes that many other anti-virus checkers haven't been able to, i spend my > time testing various checkers this is what i base my opinions on, and user > feedback as well. As i said i don't wish to become involved in a debate, > each to his own if you're happy with what you use then good for you. > > Mo. > > > Gerald Levy wrote: >> >> To say Avast has gone out of its way to make its anti-virus program blind >> accessible is laughable. It may well be more accessible now than it was >> previously, but it is still not as blind friendly as MSE. If Avast really >> wanted to make its program blind friendly, they would make it easy to >> remove without having to jump through hoops. In some cases, you need to >> reboot into safe mode to completely remove it, which is impossible >> without sighted help. How blind friendly is this? That's why I never >> considered Avast for my anti-virus program of choice. Until someone can >> produce test results demonstrating that it is clearly superior to MSE at >> malware detection, I'll stick with the latter. >> >> Gerald >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "Mobeen Iqbal" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential >> >> >>> In my opinion yes, alot more people are using it as opposed to microsoft >>> security essentials. I just don't like to put all my eggs in 1 basket, >>> and avast have gone out of their way to make their products accessible >>> for the blind, and in my opinion any company that takes the time out for >>> the blind especially for a free product deserves respect. >>> >>> Mo. >>> >>> >>> Kathy Pingstock wrote: >>>> Does avast Work better than ms essentials >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com >>>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mobeen >>>> Iqbal >>>> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:41 PM >>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential >>>> >>>> Avast works well on slower machines, i had avast free loaded on a >>>> celeron processor running at 900 MHZ with 1 GB of ram. >>>> Mo. >>>> >>>> >>>> chris hallsworth wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes you can and I highly recommend you do. Other products may bring >&
Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential
Hi Steve. Not at all, If i found microsoft security essentials to work better for me i would certainly recommend it to people. I've been using other microsoft products as well as windows for years now sync toy for my backups, microsoft's remote desktop over other sollutions, exchange server, office to mention a few. one could argue that by using those products i am putting my eggs in 1 basket, contradicting what i'd stated previously. Yes, i'll agree that avast isn't totally accessible, in that respect microsoft security essentials does have its advantages, that and the fact that you can disable it very easily and yes, even uninstall it easily. I was just simply saying that i never had to go in to safe mode when reviewing different anti virus products. I'm going to post an article under a separate thread that should shed a little light on this debate, its based on a PC magazine review and was written by avast in response to this very issue, who's better? avast actually went so far as to directly compare them selves to microsoft security essentials and also to AVG as well as some of the other providers. they weren't trying to say they were better, they simply looked at the facts. As i've said previously, what ever works best for you. Kind regards, Mo. Steve wrote: Mo, I'm afraid you're letting your bias against Microsoft software influence your judgement on av programs. As one who has encountered several instances of Avast 5, it is almost impossible to uninstall without either going into Safe Mode, or if you are lucky enough to click on the uninstall button within the twenty seconds they allow if you do it from add/remove programs. I think you could also use appremover to uninstall it, but it otherwise isn't easy. Considering that the Microsoft Security Essentials program has very good reviews from different sources including Windows Secrets, that it utilizes very low resources, that it doesn't have any accessibility issues, and that it can be easily temporarily disabled or permanently uninstalled, I have used it and recommend it for my clients. I don't see any reason to use another company's anti-virus product when it still isn't completely accessible. - Original Message ----- From: "Mobeen Iqbal" To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential Avast's removal process has vastly improved from version 4.8, can you positively state its not better than MSEE if you haven't tried their latest version? if you have, then that's just your opinion, its enough for me that i have to use microsoft's software for daily tasks, i'll refrane from using their anti virus packages as well purely because if they do inadvertantly break something which they're almost certainly bound to do at some point just like they've done in the past, then i'm not being lumbered with an unnecissary problem. Avast has got me out of quite a few holes that many other anti-virus checkers haven't been able to, i spend my time testing various checkers this is what i base my opinions on, and user feedback as well. As i said i don't wish to become involved in a debate, each to his own if you're happy with what you use then good for you. Mo. Gerald Levy wrote: To say Avast has gone out of its way to make its anti-virus program blind accessible is laughable. It may well be more accessible now than it was previously, but it is still not as blind friendly as MSE. If Avast really wanted to make its program blind friendly, they would make it easy to remove without having to jump through hoops. In some cases, you need to reboot into safe mode to completely remove it, which is impossible without sighted help. How blind friendly is this? That's why I never considered Avast for my anti-virus program of choice. Until someone can produce test results demonstrating that it is clearly superior to MSE at malware detection, I'll stick with the latter. Gerald - Original Message - From: "Mobeen Iqbal" To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential In my opinion yes, alot more people are using it as opposed to microsoft security essentials. I just don't like to put all my eggs in 1 basket, and avast have gone out of their way to make their products accessible for the blind, and in my opinion any company that takes the time out for the blind especially for a free product deserves respect. Mo. Kathy Pingstock wrote: Does avast Work better than ms essentials -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:41 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] mi
Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential
Mo, I'm afraid you're letting your bias against Microsoft software influence your judgement on av programs. As one who has encountered several instances of Avast 5, it is almost impossible to uninstall without either going into Safe Mode, or if you are lucky enough to click on the uninstall button within the twenty seconds they allow if you do it from add/remove programs. I think you could also use appremover to uninstall it, but it otherwise isn't easy. Considering that the Microsoft Security Essentials program has very good reviews from different sources including Windows Secrets, that it utilizes very low resources, that it doesn't have any accessibility issues, and that it can be easily temporarily disabled or permanently uninstalled, I have used it and recommend it for my clients. I don't see any reason to use another company's anti-virus product when it still isn't completely accessible. - Original Message - From: "Mobeen Iqbal" To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential Avast's removal process has vastly improved from version 4.8, can you positively state its not better than MSEE if you haven't tried their latest version? if you have, then that's just your opinion, its enough for me that i have to use microsoft's software for daily tasks, i'll refrane from using their anti virus packages as well purely because if they do inadvertantly break something which they're almost certainly bound to do at some point just like they've done in the past, then i'm not being lumbered with an unnecissary problem. Avast has got me out of quite a few holes that many other anti-virus checkers haven't been able to, i spend my time testing various checkers this is what i base my opinions on, and user feedback as well. As i said i don't wish to become involved in a debate, each to his own if you're happy with what you use then good for you. Mo. Gerald Levy wrote: To say Avast has gone out of its way to make its anti-virus program blind accessible is laughable. It may well be more accessible now than it was previously, but it is still not as blind friendly as MSE. If Avast really wanted to make its program blind friendly, they would make it easy to remove without having to jump through hoops. In some cases, you need to reboot into safe mode to completely remove it, which is impossible without sighted help. How blind friendly is this? That's why I never considered Avast for my anti-virus program of choice. Until someone can produce test results demonstrating that it is clearly superior to MSE at malware detection, I'll stick with the latter. Gerald ----- Original Message - From: "Mobeen Iqbal" To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential In my opinion yes, alot more people are using it as opposed to microsoft security essentials. I just don't like to put all my eggs in 1 basket, and avast have gone out of their way to make their products accessible for the blind, and in my opinion any company that takes the time out for the blind especially for a free product deserves respect. Mo. Kathy Pingstock wrote: Does avast Work better than ms essentials -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:41 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential Avast works well on slower machines, i had avast free loaded on a celeron processor running at 900 MHZ with 1 GB of ram. Mo. chris hallsworth wrote: Yes you can and I highly recommend you do. Other products may bring your netbook to a standstill grins. Chris Hallsworth e-mail and Facebook: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 Klango: chrishallsworth If you have any computer problems or queries, please contact me on the above channels. On 16/08/2010 18:38, Kathy Pingstock wrote: Can I use the microsoft security essentials on my net book? Kathy For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential
Yeah, in 10, the interactive dialogue doesnt work, this can be reported to Avira, but i for now found a solution by choosing automatic action as primaryly repair and if it fails, as deny access. -- From: "Kamil Günay" Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:31 PM To: Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential Version 9 or 10? I loved version 9 but I can't use version 10. Same problem, as soon as avira has found something, Jaws does not work in the dialog box to select an action. Jaws does not speak, braille does not read anything. The rest of the program is very accessible, but not the most important part... soner <> schrieb am Dienstag, 17. August 2010 10:00: Avira premium is the best of all. -- From: "Kamil Günay" Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:00 PM To: Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential Hello! One big problem is, if Avast finds something, the system locks and without sighted help I cannot choose to ignore or quarantene the File in wich avast has found something. I don't like MSSE, because I have the feeling that it slows my computer down more than avast does, but at least I can do all my tasks myself without sighted help. And, Avast has deleted mails because Avast did find something in it. The problem is, there was nothing to find. It was just a text file from a german computer magazine that Avast has falsely identified as a virus. So, how useful can a AV program be, if it does not let me have the final decision? No, I don't like MSSE, but it does, what it should be doing and is much more accessible than the latest Avast 5. Just my opinion. Regards! Kamil Mobeen Iqbal <> schrieb am Montag, 16. August 2010 21:12: Avast's removal process has vastly improved from version 4.8, can you positively state its not better than MSEE if you haven't tried their latest version? if you have, then that's just your opinion, its enough for me that i have to use microsoft's software for daily tasks, i'll refrane from using their anti virus packages as well purely because if they do inadvertantly break something which they're almost certainly bound to do at some point just like they've done in the past, then i'm not being lumbered with an unnecissary problem. Avast has got me out of quite a few holes that many other anti-virus checkers haven't been able to, i spend my time testing various checkers this is what i base my opinions on, and user feedback as well. As i said i don't wish to become involved in a debate, each to his own if you're happy with what you use then good for you. Mo. Gerald Levy wrote: To say Avast has gone out of its way to make its anti-virus program blind accessible is laughable. It may well be more accessible now than it was previously, but it is still not as blind friendly as MSE. If Avast really wanted to make its program blind friendly, they would make it easy to remove without having to jump through hoops. In some cases, you need to reboot into safe mode to completely remove it, which is impossible without sighted help. How blind friendly is this? That's why I never considered Avast for my anti-virus program of choice. Until someone can produce test results demonstrating that it is clearly superior to MSE at malware detection, I'll stick with the latter. Gerald - Original Message - From: "Mobeen Iqbal" To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential In my opinion yes, alot more people are using it as opposed to microsoft security essentials. I just don't like to put all my eggs in 1 basket, and avast have gone out of their way to make their products accessible for the blind, and in my opinion any company that takes the time out for the blind especially for a free product deserves respect. Mo. Kathy Pingstock wrote: Does avast Work better than ms essentials -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:41 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential Avast works well on slower machines, i had avast free loaded on a celeron processor running at 900 MHZ with 1 GB of ram. Mo. chris hallsworth wrote: Yes you can and I highly recommend you do. Other products may bring your netbook to a standstill grins. Chris Hallsworth e-mail and Facebook: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 Klango: chrishallsworth If you have any computer problems or queries, please contact me on the above channels. On 16/08/2010 18:38, Kathy Pingstock wrote: Can I use the microsoft security essentials on my net book? Kathy For answers to frequentl
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Version 9 or 10? I loved version 9 but I can't use version 10. Same problem, as soon as avira has found something, Jaws does not work in the dialog box to select an action. Jaws does not speak, braille does not read anything. The rest of the program is very accessible, but not the most important part... soner <> schrieb am Dienstag, 17. August 2010 10:00: > Avira premium is the best of all. > > -- > From: "Kamil Günay" > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:00 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential > >> Hello! >> >> One big problem is, if Avast finds something, the system locks and >> without sighted help I cannot choose to ignore or quarantene the File >> in wich avast has found something. I don't like MSSE, because I have >> the feeling that it slows my computer down more than avast does, but >> at least I can do all my tasks myself without sighted help. >> >> And, Avast has deleted mails because Avast did find something in it. >> The problem is, there was nothing to find. It was just a text file >> from a german computer magazine that Avast has falsely identified as >> a virus. So, how useful can a AV program be, if it does not let me >> have the >> final decision? No, I don't like MSSE, but it does, what it should be >> doing and is much more accessible than the latest Avast 5. >> >> Just my opinion. >> >> Regards! >> Kamil >> >> >> >> Mobeen Iqbal <> schrieb am Montag, 16. August 2010 21:12: >> >>> Avast's removal process has vastly improved from version 4.8, can >>> you positively state its not better than MSEE if you haven't tried >>> their latest version? if you have, then that's just your opinion, >>> its enough for me that i have to use microsoft's software for daily >>> tasks, i'll refrane from using their anti virus packages as well >>> purely because if they do inadvertantly break something which >>> they're almost certainly bound to do at some point just like >>> they've done in the past, then i'm not being lumbered with an >>> unnecissary problem. Avast has got me out of quite a few holes that >>> many other anti-virus checkers haven't been able to, i spend my >>> time testing various checkers this is what i base my opinions on, >>> and user feedback as well. As i said i don't wish to become >>> involved in a debate, each to his own if you're happy with what you >>> use then good for you. >>> >>> Mo. >>> >>> >>> Gerald Levy wrote: >>>> >>>> To say Avast has gone out of its way to make its anti-virus program >>>> blind accessible is laughable. It may well be more accessible now >>>> than it was previously, but it is still not as blind friendly as >>>> MSE. If Avast really wanted to make its program blind friendly, >>>> they would make it easy to remove without having to jump through >>>> hoops. In some cases, you need to reboot into safe mode to >>>> completely remove it, which is impossible without sighted help. >>>> How blind friendly is this? That's why I never considered Avast >>>> for my anti-virus program of choice. Until someone can produce >>>> test results demonstrating that it is clearly superior to MSE at >>>> malware detection, I'll stick with the latter. >>>> >>>> Gerald >>>> >>>> >>>> - Original Message - From: "Mobeen Iqbal" >>>> >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:57 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential >>>> >>>> >>>>> In my opinion yes, alot more people are using it as opposed to >>>>> microsoft security essentials. I just don't like to put all my >>>>> eggs in 1 basket, and avast have gone out of their way to make >>>>> their products accessible for the blind, and in my opinion any >>>>> company that takes the time out for the blind especially for a >>>>> free product deserves respect. >>>>> >>>>> Mo. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kathy Pingstock wrote: >>>>>> Does avast Work better than ms essentials >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-
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Hi! I did all that, I set up avast so that nothing is done automatically. But, as the Magazine resended the mail with the file, I just heard the three ping sounds, and nothing. One text file was in the virus container, but the rest of the zip file and the mail itself was gone completely. And the lock up. I have a file to test anti malware programs, if I can use them. Avast recognizes it as a virus, as it should, but Jaws is not talking then. So I am unable to select an action. The feature for checking mails I can turn off, and I did that. But if I can't select an action how to deal with a potential virus? Better to have a software that does half of what it should, and I can use it, than a software that can do all the best things, but I cannot decide myself and have to trust automatic actions. No, I had too many false positives in the past, I will not trust any automatic behaviour. Regards! Kamil Mobeen Iqbal <> schrieb am Dienstag, 17. August 2010 01:16: > Hi, just add paths to exclude or customize what avast does to > suspicious files via the preferences. If it still doesn't do what > you want, let me know might be worth filing a bug, its hard to > believe though that it would just delete something with out even > telling you it was going to, no anti virus program i've used just > does that! i'll have to get a virus to try, that's an interesting > point! i'd rather have avast block a file though than MSEE just let > it in because microsoft haven't kept up, again not wishing to debate > the issue just my opinion really. > > Mo. > > > Kamil Günay wrote: >> Hello! >> >> One big problem is, if Avast finds something, the system locks and >> without sighted help I cannot choose to ignore or quarantene the File >> in wich avast has found something. I don't like MSSE, because I have >> the feeling that it slows my computer down more than avast does, but >> at least I can do all my tasks myself without sighted help. >> >> And, Avast has deleted mails because Avast did find something in it. >> The problem is, there was nothing to find. It was just a text file >> from a german computer magazine that Avast has falsely identified as >> a virus. So, how useful can a AV program be, if it does not let me >> have the >> final decision? No, I don't like MSSE, but it does, what it should be >> doing and is much more accessible than the latest Avast 5. >> >> Just my opinion. >> >> Regards! >> Kamil >> >> >> >> Mobeen Iqbal <> schrieb am Montag, 16. August 2010 21:12: >> >> >>> Avast's removal process has vastly improved from version 4.8, can >>> you positively state its not better than MSEE if you haven't tried >>> their latest version? if you have, then that's just your opinion, >>> its enough for me that i have to use microsoft's software for daily >>> tasks, i'll refrane from using their anti virus packages as well >>> purely because if they do inadvertantly break something which >>> they're almost certainly bound to do at some point just like >>> they've done in the past, then i'm not being lumbered with an >>> unnecissary problem. Avast has got me out of quite a few holes that >>> many other anti-virus checkers haven't been able to, i spend my >>> time testing various checkers this is what i base my opinions on, >>> and user feedback as well. As i said i don't wish to become >>> involved in a debate, each to his own if you're happy with what you >>> use then good for you. >>> >>> Mo. >>> >>> >>> Gerald Levy wrote: >>> >>>> To say Avast has gone out of its way to make its anti-virus program >>>> blind accessible is laughable. It may well be more accessible now >>>> than it was previously, but it is still not as blind friendly as >>>> MSE. If Avast really wanted to make its program blind friendly, >>>> they would make it easy to remove without having to jump through >>>> hoops. In some cases, you need to reboot into safe mode to >>>> completely remove it, which is impossible without sighted help. >>>> How blind friendly is this? That's why I never considered Avast >>>> for my anti-virus program of choice. Until someone can produce >>>> test results demonstrating that it is clearly superior to MSE at >>>> malware detection, I'll stick with the latter. >>>> >>>> Gerald >>>> >>>> >>>> - Original Messag
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Avira premium is the best of all. -- From: "Kamil Günay" Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:00 PM To: Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential Hello! One big problem is, if Avast finds something, the system locks and without sighted help I cannot choose to ignore or quarantene the File in wich avast has found something. I don't like MSSE, because I have the feeling that it slows my computer down more than avast does, but at least I can do all my tasks myself without sighted help. And, Avast has deleted mails because Avast did find something in it. The problem is, there was nothing to find. It was just a text file from a german computer magazine that Avast has falsely identified as a virus. So, how useful can a AV program be, if it does not let me have the final decision? No, I don't like MSSE, but it does, what it should be doing and is much more accessible than the latest Avast 5. Just my opinion. Regards! Kamil Mobeen Iqbal <> schrieb am Montag, 16. August 2010 21:12: Avast's removal process has vastly improved from version 4.8, can you positively state its not better than MSEE if you haven't tried their latest version? if you have, then that's just your opinion, its enough for me that i have to use microsoft's software for daily tasks, i'll refrane from using their anti virus packages as well purely because if they do inadvertantly break something which they're almost certainly bound to do at some point just like they've done in the past, then i'm not being lumbered with an unnecissary problem. Avast has got me out of quite a few holes that many other anti-virus checkers haven't been able to, i spend my time testing various checkers this is what i base my opinions on, and user feedback as well. As i said i don't wish to become involved in a debate, each to his own if you're happy with what you use then good for you. Mo. Gerald Levy wrote: To say Avast has gone out of its way to make its anti-virus program blind accessible is laughable. It may well be more accessible now than it was previously, but it is still not as blind friendly as MSE. If Avast really wanted to make its program blind friendly, they would make it easy to remove without having to jump through hoops. In some cases, you need to reboot into safe mode to completely remove it, which is impossible without sighted help. How blind friendly is this? That's why I never considered Avast for my anti-virus program of choice. Until someone can produce test results demonstrating that it is clearly superior to MSE at malware detection, I'll stick with the latter. Gerald - Original Message - From: "Mobeen Iqbal" To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential In my opinion yes, alot more people are using it as opposed to microsoft security essentials. I just don't like to put all my eggs in 1 basket, and avast have gone out of their way to make their products accessible for the blind, and in my opinion any company that takes the time out for the blind especially for a free product deserves respect. Mo. Kathy Pingstock wrote: Does avast Work better than ms essentials -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:41 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential Avast works well on slower machines, i had avast free loaded on a celeron processor running at 900 MHZ with 1 GB of ram. Mo. chris hallsworth wrote: Yes you can and I highly recommend you do. Other products may bring your netbook to a standstill grins. Chris Hallsworth e-mail and Facebook: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 Klango: chrishallsworth If you have any computer problems or queries, please contact me on the above channels. On 16/08/2010 18:38, Kathy Pingstock wrote: Can I use the microsoft security essentials on my net book? Kathy For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ -- Die Science/Fantasy-Ecke ist der Treffpunkt für alle Fans von SF und
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hi please can someone give me the direct download link for avast 4.8 and tell me how to get a key? many thanks from stewart ross - Original Message - From: "Kamil Günay" To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential Hello! One big problem is, if Avast finds something, the system locks and without sighted help I cannot choose to ignore or quarantene the File in wich avast has found something. I don't like MSSE, because I have the feeling that it slows my computer down more than avast does, but at least I can do all my tasks myself without sighted help. And, Avast has deleted mails because Avast did find something in it. The problem is, there was nothing to find. It was just a text file from a german computer magazine that Avast has falsely identified as a virus. So, how useful can a AV program be, if it does not let me have the final decision? No, I don't like MSSE, but it does, what it should be doing and is much more accessible than the latest Avast 5. Just my opinion. Regards! Kamil Mobeen Iqbal <> schrieb am Montag, 16. August 2010 21:12: Avast's removal process has vastly improved from version 4.8, can you positively state its not better than MSEE if you haven't tried their latest version? if you have, then that's just your opinion, its enough for me that i have to use microsoft's software for daily tasks, i'll refrane from using their anti virus packages as well purely because if they do inadvertantly break something which they're almost certainly bound to do at some point just like they've done in the past, then i'm not being lumbered with an unnecissary problem. Avast has got me out of quite a few holes that many other anti-virus checkers haven't been able to, i spend my time testing various checkers this is what i base my opinions on, and user feedback as well. As i said i don't wish to become involved in a debate, each to his own if you're happy with what you use then good for you. Mo. Gerald Levy wrote: To say Avast has gone out of its way to make its anti-virus program blind accessible is laughable. It may well be more accessible now than it was previously, but it is still not as blind friendly as MSE. If Avast really wanted to make its program blind friendly, they would make it easy to remove without having to jump through hoops. In some cases, you need to reboot into safe mode to completely remove it, which is impossible without sighted help. How blind friendly is this? That's why I never considered Avast for my anti-virus program of choice. Until someone can produce test results demonstrating that it is clearly superior to MSE at malware detection, I'll stick with the latter. Gerald - Original Message - From: "Mobeen Iqbal" To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential In my opinion yes, alot more people are using it as opposed to microsoft security essentials. I just don't like to put all my eggs in 1 basket, and avast have gone out of their way to make their products accessible for the blind, and in my opinion any company that takes the time out for the blind especially for a free product deserves respect. Mo. Kathy Pingstock wrote: Does avast Work better than ms essentials -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:41 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential Avast works well on slower machines, i had avast free loaded on a celeron processor running at 900 MHZ with 1 GB of ram. Mo. chris hallsworth wrote: Yes you can and I highly recommend you do. Other products may bring your netbook to a standstill grins. Chris Hallsworth e-mail and Facebook: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 Klango: chrishallsworth If you have any computer problems or queries, please contact me on the above channels. On 16/08/2010 18:38, Kathy Pingstock wrote: Can I use the microsoft security essentials on my net book? Kathy For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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If you guys want to discuss avast, could you cchange this subject line? marilyn - Original Message - From: "LaMcAs" To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential : Well I've never had to go in to Safe Mode to remove avast! Yes there is one : screen where you have to route jaws to pc and you get 30 seconds to click : the yes button but really have had no problems. I now install MSSE on : everyone's pc! : : HTH : : Larry & Elliot GD (Guide Dog) : : : -Original Message- : From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com : [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy : Sent: 16 August 2010 20:37 : To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com : Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential : : : So you're saying that you no longer have to boot into safe mofe to remove : Avast? I'm asking this just in case I want to try Avast sometime in the : future if MSE doesn't work out. I sure don't want to get stuck with an : anti-virus program I can't easily remove. : : Gerald : : : - Original Message - : From: "Mobeen Iqbal" : To: : Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 3:11 PM : Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential : : : > Avast's removal process has vastly improved from version 4.8, can you : > positively state its not better than MSEE if you haven't tried their : > latest version? if you have, then that's just your opinion, its enough for : : > me that i have to use microsoft's software for daily tasks, i'll refrane : > from using their anti virus packages as well purely because if they do : > inadvertantly break something which they're almost certainly bound to do : > at some point just like they've done in the past, then i'm not being : > lumbered with an unnecissary problem. Avast has got me out of quite a few : > holes that many other anti-virus checkers haven't been able to, i spend my : : > time testing various checkers this is what i base my opinions on, and user : : > feedback as well. As i said i don't wish to become involved in a debate, : > each to his own if you're happy with what you use then good for you. : > : > Mo. : > : > : > Gerald Levy wrote: : >> : >> To say Avast has gone out of its way to make its anti-virus program blind : : >> accessible is laughable. It may well be more accessible now than it was : >> previously, but it is still not as blind friendly as MSE. If Avast really : : >> wanted to make its program blind friendly, they would make it easy to : >> remove without having to jump through hoops. In some cases, you need to : >> reboot into safe mode to completely remove it, which is impossible : >> without sighted help. How blind friendly is this? That's why I never : >> considered Avast for my anti-virus program of choice. Until someone can : >> produce test results demonstrating that it is clearly superior to MSE at : >> malware detection, I'll stick with the latter. : >> : >> Gerald : >> : >> : >> - Original Message - From: "Mobeen Iqbal" : >> To: : >> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:57 PM : >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential : >> : >> : >>> In my opinion yes, alot more people are using it as opposed to microsoft : : >>> security essentials. I just don't like to put all my eggs in 1 basket, : >>> and avast have gone out of their way to make their products accessible : >>> for the blind, and in my opinion any company that takes the time out for : : >>> the blind especially for a free product deserves respect. : >>> : >>> Mo. : >>> : >>> : >>> Kathy Pingstock wrote: : >>>> Does avast Work better than ms essentials : >>>> : >>>> -Original Message- : >>>> From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com : >>>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mobeen : >>>> Iqbal : >>>> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:41 PM : >>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com : >>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential : >>>> : >>>> Avast works well on slower machines, i had avast free loaded on a : >>>> celeron processor running at 900 MHZ with 1 GB of ram. : >>>> Mo. : >>>> : >>>> : >>>> chris hallsworth wrote: : >>>> : >>>>> Yes you can and I highly recommend you do. Other products may bring : >>>>> your netbook to a standstill grins. : >>>>> : >>>>> : >>>>> Chris Hallsworth :
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Hi, just add paths to exclude or customize what avast does to suspicious files via the preferences. If it still doesn't do what you want, let me know might be worth filing a bug, its hard to believe though that it would just delete something with out even telling you it was going to, no anti virus program i've used just does that! i'll have to get a virus to try, that's an interesting point! i'd rather have avast block a file though than MSEE just let it in because microsoft haven't kept up, again not wishing to debate the issue just my opinion really. Mo. Kamil Günay wrote: Hello! One big problem is, if Avast finds something, the system locks and without sighted help I cannot choose to ignore or quarantene the File in wich avast has found something. I don't like MSSE, because I have the feeling that it slows my computer down more than avast does, but at least I can do all my tasks myself without sighted help. And, Avast has deleted mails because Avast did find something in it. The problem is, there was nothing to find. It was just a text file from a german computer magazine that Avast has falsely identified as a virus. So, how useful can a AV program be, if it does not let me have the final decision? No, I don't like MSSE, but it does, what it should be doing and is much more accessible than the latest Avast 5. Just my opinion. Regards! Kamil Mobeen Iqbal <> schrieb am Montag, 16. August 2010 21:12: Avast's removal process has vastly improved from version 4.8, can you positively state its not better than MSEE if you haven't tried their latest version? if you have, then that's just your opinion, its enough for me that i have to use microsoft's software for daily tasks, i'll refrane from using their anti virus packages as well purely because if they do inadvertantly break something which they're almost certainly bound to do at some point just like they've done in the past, then i'm not being lumbered with an unnecissary problem. Avast has got me out of quite a few holes that many other anti-virus checkers haven't been able to, i spend my time testing various checkers this is what i base my opinions on, and user feedback as well. As i said i don't wish to become involved in a debate, each to his own if you're happy with what you use then good for you. Mo. Gerald Levy wrote: To say Avast has gone out of its way to make its anti-virus program blind accessible is laughable. It may well be more accessible now than it was previously, but it is still not as blind friendly as MSE. If Avast really wanted to make its program blind friendly, they would make it easy to remove without having to jump through hoops. In some cases, you need to reboot into safe mode to completely remove it, which is impossible without sighted help. How blind friendly is this? That's why I never considered Avast for my anti-virus program of choice. Until someone can produce test results demonstrating that it is clearly superior to MSE at malware detection, I'll stick with the latter. Gerald ----- Original Message - From: "Mobeen Iqbal" To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential In my opinion yes, alot more people are using it as opposed to microsoft security essentials. I just don't like to put all my eggs in 1 basket, and avast have gone out of their way to make their products accessible for the blind, and in my opinion any company that takes the time out for the blind especially for a free product deserves respect. Mo. Kathy Pingstock wrote: Does avast Work better than ms essentials -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:41 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential Avast works well on slower machines, i had avast free loaded on a celeron processor running at 900 MHZ with 1 GB of ram. Mo. chris hallsworth wrote: Yes you can and I highly recommend you do. Other products may bring your netbook to a standstill grins. Chris Hallsworth e-mail and Facebook: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 Klango: chrishallsworth If you have any computer problems or queries, please contact me on the above channels. On 16/08/2010 18:38, Kathy Pingstock wrote: Can I use the microsoft security essentials on my net book? Kathy For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit
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Well I've never had to go in to Safe Mode to remove avast! Yes there is one screen where you have to route jaws to pc and you get 30 seconds to click the yes button but really have had no problems. I now install MSSE on everyone's pc! HTH Larry & Elliot GD (Guide Dog) -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: 16 August 2010 20:37 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential So you're saying that you no longer have to boot into safe mofe to remove Avast? I'm asking this just in case I want to try Avast sometime in the future if MSE doesn't work out. I sure don't want to get stuck with an anti-virus program I can't easily remove. Gerald - Original Message - From: "Mobeen Iqbal" To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential > Avast's removal process has vastly improved from version 4.8, can you > positively state its not better than MSEE if you haven't tried their > latest version? if you have, then that's just your opinion, its enough for > me that i have to use microsoft's software for daily tasks, i'll refrane > from using their anti virus packages as well purely because if they do > inadvertantly break something which they're almost certainly bound to do > at some point just like they've done in the past, then i'm not being > lumbered with an unnecissary problem. Avast has got me out of quite a few > holes that many other anti-virus checkers haven't been able to, i spend my > time testing various checkers this is what i base my opinions on, and user > feedback as well. As i said i don't wish to become involved in a debate, > each to his own if you're happy with what you use then good for you. > > Mo. > > > Gerald Levy wrote: >> >> To say Avast has gone out of its way to make its anti-virus program blind >> accessible is laughable. It may well be more accessible now than it was >> previously, but it is still not as blind friendly as MSE. If Avast really >> wanted to make its program blind friendly, they would make it easy to >> remove without having to jump through hoops. In some cases, you need to >> reboot into safe mode to completely remove it, which is impossible >> without sighted help. How blind friendly is this? That's why I never >> considered Avast for my anti-virus program of choice. Until someone can >> produce test results demonstrating that it is clearly superior to MSE at >> malware detection, I'll stick with the latter. >> >> Gerald >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "Mobeen Iqbal" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential >> >> >>> In my opinion yes, alot more people are using it as opposed to microsoft >>> security essentials. I just don't like to put all my eggs in 1 basket, >>> and avast have gone out of their way to make their products accessible >>> for the blind, and in my opinion any company that takes the time out for >>> the blind especially for a free product deserves respect. >>> >>> Mo. >>> >>> >>> Kathy Pingstock wrote: >>>> Does avast Work better than ms essentials >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com >>>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mobeen >>>> Iqbal >>>> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:41 PM >>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential >>>> >>>> Avast works well on slower machines, i had avast free loaded on a >>>> celeron processor running at 900 MHZ with 1 GB of ram. >>>> Mo. >>>> >>>> >>>> chris hallsworth wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes you can and I highly recommend you do. Other products may bring >>>>> your netbook to a standstill grins. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chris Hallsworth >>>>> e-mail and Facebook: christopher...@googlemail.com >>>>> MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com >>>>> Skype: chrishallsworth7266 >>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 >>>>> Klango: chrishallsworth >>>>> If you have any computer problems or queries, please contact me on the >>>>> above channels. >>>>&g
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So you're saying that you no longer have to boot into safe mofe to remove Avast? I'm asking this just in case I want to try Avast sometime in the future if MSE doesn't work out. I sure don't want to get stuck with an anti-virus program I can't easily remove. Gerald - Original Message - From: "Mobeen Iqbal" To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential Avast's removal process has vastly improved from version 4.8, can you positively state its not better than MSEE if you haven't tried their latest version? if you have, then that's just your opinion, its enough for me that i have to use microsoft's software for daily tasks, i'll refrane from using their anti virus packages as well purely because if they do inadvertantly break something which they're almost certainly bound to do at some point just like they've done in the past, then i'm not being lumbered with an unnecissary problem. Avast has got me out of quite a few holes that many other anti-virus checkers haven't been able to, i spend my time testing various checkers this is what i base my opinions on, and user feedback as well. As i said i don't wish to become involved in a debate, each to his own if you're happy with what you use then good for you. Mo. Gerald Levy wrote: To say Avast has gone out of its way to make its anti-virus program blind accessible is laughable. It may well be more accessible now than it was previously, but it is still not as blind friendly as MSE. If Avast really wanted to make its program blind friendly, they would make it easy to remove without having to jump through hoops. In some cases, you need to reboot into safe mode to completely remove it, which is impossible without sighted help. How blind friendly is this? That's why I never considered Avast for my anti-virus program of choice. Until someone can produce test results demonstrating that it is clearly superior to MSE at malware detection, I'll stick with the latter. Gerald ----- Original Message - From: "Mobeen Iqbal" To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential In my opinion yes, alot more people are using it as opposed to microsoft security essentials. I just don't like to put all my eggs in 1 basket, and avast have gone out of their way to make their products accessible for the blind, and in my opinion any company that takes the time out for the blind especially for a free product deserves respect. Mo. Kathy Pingstock wrote: Does avast Work better than ms essentials -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:41 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential Avast works well on slower machines, i had avast free loaded on a celeron processor running at 900 MHZ with 1 GB of ram. Mo. chris hallsworth wrote: Yes you can and I highly recommend you do. Other products may bring your netbook to a standstill grins. Chris Hallsworth e-mail and Facebook: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 Klango: chrishallsworth If you have any computer problems or queries, please contact me on the above channels. On 16/08/2010 18:38, Kathy Pingstock wrote: Can I use the microsoft security essentials on my net book? Kathy For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Hello! One big problem is, if Avast finds something, the system locks and without sighted help I cannot choose to ignore or quarantene the File in wich avast has found something. I don't like MSSE, because I have the feeling that it slows my computer down more than avast does, but at least I can do all my tasks myself without sighted help. And, Avast has deleted mails because Avast did find something in it. The problem is, there was nothing to find. It was just a text file from a german computer magazine that Avast has falsely identified as a virus. So, how useful can a AV program be, if it does not let me have the final decision? No, I don't like MSSE, but it does, what it should be doing and is much more accessible than the latest Avast 5. Just my opinion. Regards! Kamil Mobeen Iqbal <> schrieb am Montag, 16. August 2010 21:12: > Avast's removal process has vastly improved from version 4.8, can you > positively state its not better than MSEE if you haven't tried their > latest version? if you have, then that's just your opinion, its > enough for me that i have to use microsoft's software for daily > tasks, i'll refrane from using their anti virus packages as well > purely because if they do inadvertantly break something which they're > almost certainly bound to do at some point just like they've done in > the past, then i'm not being lumbered with an unnecissary problem. > Avast has got me out of quite a few holes that many other anti-virus > checkers haven't been able to, i spend my time testing various > checkers this is what i base my opinions on, and user feedback as > well. As i said i don't wish to become involved in a debate, each to > his own if you're happy with what you use then good for you. > > Mo. > > > Gerald Levy wrote: >> >> To say Avast has gone out of its way to make its anti-virus program >> blind accessible is laughable. It may well be more accessible now >> than it was previously, but it is still not as blind friendly as >> MSE. If Avast really wanted to make its program blind friendly, they >> would make it easy to remove without having to jump through hoops. >> In some cases, you need to reboot into safe mode to completely >> remove it, which is impossible without sighted help. How blind >> friendly is this? That's why I never considered Avast for my >> anti-virus program of choice. Until someone can produce test results >> demonstrating that it is clearly superior to MSE at malware >> detection, I'll stick with the latter. >> >> Gerald >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "Mobeen Iqbal" >> >> To: >> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential >> >> >>> In my opinion yes, alot more people are using it as opposed to >>> microsoft security essentials. I just don't like to put all my eggs >>> in 1 basket, and avast have gone out of their way to make their >>> products accessible for the blind, and in my opinion any company >>> that takes the time out for the blind especially for a free product >>> deserves respect. >>> >>> Mo. >>> >>> >>> Kathy Pingstock wrote: >>>> Does avast Work better than ms essentials >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com >>>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of >>>> Mobeen Iqbal Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:41 PM >>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential >>>> >>>> Avast works well on slower machines, i had avast free loaded on a >>>> celeron processor running at 900 MHZ with 1 GB of ram. >>>> Mo. >>>> >>>> >>>> chris hallsworth wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes you can and I highly recommend you do. Other products may >>>>> bring your netbook to a standstill grins. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chris Hallsworth >>>>> e-mail and Facebook: christopher...@googlemail.com >>>>> MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com >>>>> Skype: chrishallsworth7266 >>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 >>>>> Klango: chrishallsworth >>>>> If you have any computer problems or queries, please contact me >>>>> on the above channels. >>>>> >>>>> On 16/08/2010 18:38, Kathy Pingstock wrote: >>>>> >>
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Hi, yes it is, you can simply use your tab and shift tab keys to move through various options and space/enter to activate them. Mo. Kathy Pingstock wrote: Is the latest avast accessible? Kathy -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 3:12 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential Avast's removal process has vastly improved from version 4.8, can you positively state its not better than MSEE if you haven't tried their latest version? if you have, then that's just your opinion, its enough for me that i have to use microsoft's software for daily tasks, i'll refrane from using their anti virus packages as well purely because if they do inadvertantly break something which they're almost certainly bound to do at some point just like they've done in the past, then i'm not being lumbered with an unnecissary problem. Avast has got me out of quite a few holes that many other anti-virus checkers haven't been able to, i spend my time testing various checkers this is what i base my opinions on, and user feedback as well. As i said i don't wish to become involved in a debate, each to his own if you're happy with what you use then good for you. Mo. Gerald Levy wrote: To say Avast has gone out of its way to make its anti-virus program blind accessible is laughable. It may well be more accessible now than it was previously, but it is still not as blind friendly as MSE. If Avast really wanted to make its program blind friendly, they would make it easy to remove without having to jump through hoops. In some cases, you need to reboot into safe mode to completely remove it, which is impossible without sighted help. How blind friendly is this? That's why I never considered Avast for my anti-virus program of choice. Until someone can produce test results demonstrating that it is clearly superior to MSE at malware detection, I'll stick with the latter. Gerald - Original Message - From: "Mobeen Iqbal" To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential In my opinion yes, alot more people are using it as opposed to microsoft security essentials. I just don't like to put all my eggs in 1 basket, and avast have gone out of their way to make their products accessible for the blind, and in my opinion any company that takes the time out for the blind especially for a free product deserves respect. Mo. Kathy Pingstock wrote: Does avast Work better than ms essentials -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:41 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential Avast works well on slower machines, i had avast free loaded on a celeron processor running at 900 MHZ with 1 GB of ram. Mo. chris hallsworth wrote: Yes you can and I highly recommend you do. Other products may bring your netbook to a standstill grins. Chris Hallsworth e-mail and Facebook: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 Klango: chrishallsworth If you have any computer problems or queries, please contact me on the above channels. On 16/08/2010 18:38, Kathy Pingstock wrote: Can I use the microsoft security essentials on my net book? Kathy For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Is the latest avast accessible? Kathy -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 3:12 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential Avast's removal process has vastly improved from version 4.8, can you positively state its not better than MSEE if you haven't tried their latest version? if you have, then that's just your opinion, its enough for me that i have to use microsoft's software for daily tasks, i'll refrane from using their anti virus packages as well purely because if they do inadvertantly break something which they're almost certainly bound to do at some point just like they've done in the past, then i'm not being lumbered with an unnecissary problem. Avast has got me out of quite a few holes that many other anti-virus checkers haven't been able to, i spend my time testing various checkers this is what i base my opinions on, and user feedback as well. As i said i don't wish to become involved in a debate, each to his own if you're happy with what you use then good for you. Mo. Gerald Levy wrote: > > To say Avast has gone out of its way to make its anti-virus program > blind accessible is laughable. It may well be more accessible now than > it was previously, but it is still not as blind friendly as MSE. If > Avast really wanted to make its program blind friendly, they would > make it easy to remove without having to jump through hoops. In some > cases, you need to reboot into safe mode to completely remove it, > which is impossible without sighted help. How blind friendly is this? > That's why I never considered Avast for my anti-virus program of > choice. Until someone can produce test results demonstrating that it > is clearly superior to MSE at malware detection, I'll stick with the > latter. > > Gerald > > > ----- Original Message - From: "Mobeen Iqbal" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:57 PM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential > > >> In my opinion yes, alot more people are using it as opposed to >> microsoft security essentials. I just don't like to put all my eggs >> in 1 basket, and avast have gone out of their way to make their >> products accessible for the blind, and in my opinion any company that >> takes the time out for the blind especially for a free product >> deserves respect. >> >> Mo. >> >> >> Kathy Pingstock wrote: >>> Does avast Work better than ms essentials >>> >>> -Original Message----- >>> From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com >>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mobeen >>> Iqbal >>> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:41 PM >>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential >>> >>> Avast works well on slower machines, i had avast free loaded on a >>> celeron processor running at 900 MHZ with 1 GB of ram. >>> Mo. >>> >>> >>> chris hallsworth wrote: >>> >>>> Yes you can and I highly recommend you do. Other products may bring >>>> your netbook to a standstill grins. >>>> >>>> >>>> Chris Hallsworth >>>> e-mail and Facebook: christopher...@googlemail.com >>>> MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com >>>> Skype: chrishallsworth7266 >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 >>>> Klango: chrishallsworth >>>> If you have any computer problems or queries, please contact me on >>>> the above channels. >>>> >>>> On 16/08/2010 18:38, Kathy Pingstock wrote: >>>> >>>>> Can I use the microsoft security essentials on my net book? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kathy >>>>> >>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>> >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential
I also use avast5 on my samsung n110 netbook and I'm extremely satisfied. - Original Message - From: Mobeen Iqbal To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential Avast works well on slower machines, i had avast free loaded on a celeron processor running at 900 MHZ with 1 GB of ram. Mo. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential
Avast's removal process has vastly improved from version 4.8, can you positively state its not better than MSEE if you haven't tried their latest version? if you have, then that's just your opinion, its enough for me that i have to use microsoft's software for daily tasks, i'll refrane from using their anti virus packages as well purely because if they do inadvertantly break something which they're almost certainly bound to do at some point just like they've done in the past, then i'm not being lumbered with an unnecissary problem. Avast has got me out of quite a few holes that many other anti-virus checkers haven't been able to, i spend my time testing various checkers this is what i base my opinions on, and user feedback as well. As i said i don't wish to become involved in a debate, each to his own if you're happy with what you use then good for you. Mo. Gerald Levy wrote: To say Avast has gone out of its way to make its anti-virus program blind accessible is laughable. It may well be more accessible now than it was previously, but it is still not as blind friendly as MSE. If Avast really wanted to make its program blind friendly, they would make it easy to remove without having to jump through hoops. In some cases, you need to reboot into safe mode to completely remove it, which is impossible without sighted help. How blind friendly is this? That's why I never considered Avast for my anti-virus program of choice. Until someone can produce test results demonstrating that it is clearly superior to MSE at malware detection, I'll stick with the latter. Gerald - Original Message - From: "Mobeen Iqbal" To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential In my opinion yes, alot more people are using it as opposed to microsoft security essentials. I just don't like to put all my eggs in 1 basket, and avast have gone out of their way to make their products accessible for the blind, and in my opinion any company that takes the time out for the blind especially for a free product deserves respect. Mo. Kathy Pingstock wrote: Does avast Work better than ms essentials -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:41 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential Avast works well on slower machines, i had avast free loaded on a celeron processor running at 900 MHZ with 1 GB of ram. Mo. chris hallsworth wrote: Yes you can and I highly recommend you do. Other products may bring your netbook to a standstill grins. Chris Hallsworth e-mail and Facebook: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 Klango: chrishallsworth If you have any computer problems or queries, please contact me on the above channels. On 16/08/2010 18:38, Kathy Pingstock wrote: Can I use the microsoft security essentials on my net book? Kathy For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential
To say Avast has gone out of its way to make its anti-virus program blind accessible is laughable. It may well be more accessible now than it was previously, but it is still not as blind friendly as MSE. If Avast really wanted to make its program blind friendly, they would make it easy to remove without having to jump through hoops. In some cases, you need to reboot into safe mode to completely remove it, which is impossible without sighted help. How blind friendly is this? That's why I never considered Avast for my anti-virus program of choice. Until someone can produce test results demonstrating that it is clearly superior to MSE at malware detection, I'll stick with the latter. Gerald - Original Message - From: "Mobeen Iqbal" To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential In my opinion yes, alot more people are using it as opposed to microsoft security essentials. I just don't like to put all my eggs in 1 basket, and avast have gone out of their way to make their products accessible for the blind, and in my opinion any company that takes the time out for the blind especially for a free product deserves respect. Mo. Kathy Pingstock wrote: Does avast Work better than ms essentials -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:41 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential Avast works well on slower machines, i had avast free loaded on a celeron processor running at 900 MHZ with 1 GB of ram. Mo. chris hallsworth wrote: Yes you can and I highly recommend you do. Other products may bring your netbook to a standstill grins. Chris Hallsworth e-mail and Facebook: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 Klango: chrishallsworth If you have any computer problems or queries, please contact me on the above channels. On 16/08/2010 18:38, Kathy Pingstock wrote: Can I use the microsoft security essentials on my net book? Kathy For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential
In my opinion yes, alot more people are using it as opposed to microsoft security essentials. I just don't like to put all my eggs in 1 basket, and avast have gone out of their way to make their products accessible for the blind, and in my opinion any company that takes the time out for the blind especially for a free product deserves respect. Mo. Kathy Pingstock wrote: Does avast Work better than ms essentials -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:41 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential Avast works well on slower machines, i had avast free loaded on a celeron processor running at 900 MHZ with 1 GB of ram. Mo. chris hallsworth wrote: Yes you can and I highly recommend you do. Other products may bring your netbook to a standstill grins. Chris Hallsworth e-mail and Facebook: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 Klango: chrishallsworth If you have any computer problems or queries, please contact me on the above channels. On 16/08/2010 18:38, Kathy Pingstock wrote: Can I use the microsoft security essentials on my net book? Kathy For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential
Does avast Work better than ms essentials -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:41 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential Avast works well on slower machines, i had avast free loaded on a celeron processor running at 900 MHZ with 1 GB of ram. Mo. chris hallsworth wrote: > Yes you can and I highly recommend you do. Other products may bring > your netbook to a standstill grins. > > > Chris Hallsworth > e-mail and Facebook: christopher...@googlemail.com > MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com > Skype: chrishallsworth7266 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 > Klango: chrishallsworth > If you have any computer problems or queries, please contact me on the > above channels. > > On 16/08/2010 18:38, Kathy Pingstock wrote: >> Can I use the microsoft security essentials on my net book? >> >> >> >> Kathy >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential
Avast works well on slower machines, i had avast free loaded on a celeron processor running at 900 MHZ with 1 GB of ram. Mo. chris hallsworth wrote: Yes you can and I highly recommend you do. Other products may bring your netbook to a standstill grins. Chris Hallsworth e-mail and Facebook: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 Klango: chrishallsworth If you have any computer problems or queries, please contact me on the above channels. On 16/08/2010 18:38, Kathy Pingstock wrote: Can I use the microsoft security essentials on my net book? Kathy For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential
Yep, you certainly can, though personally i'd recommend using avast. Mo. Kathy Pingstock wrote: Can I use the microsoft security essentials on my net book? Kathy For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft essential
Yes you can and I highly recommend you do. Other products may bring your netbook to a standstill grins. Chris Hallsworth e-mail and Facebook: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 Klango: chrishallsworth If you have any computer problems or queries, please contact me on the above channels. On 16/08/2010 18:38, Kathy Pingstock wrote: Can I use the microsoft security essentials on my net book? Kathy For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
