Re: RE: AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...
I made significant porgress tonight with the JMX Connector. I now have full functionality for method invocation and attribute manipulation. I support the following data types: String, int, double, float, long, char, boolean, and Date(and their Object counterparts). I do simple date validation to accept the date. I still need to perform better exception handling, and simple validation on the fields. Right now, I simply return you gracefully back to where you came. Once I take care of those things, I will make a release out to SourceForge. Jim http://jmxview.sf.net _ View thread online: http://main.jboss.org/thread.jsp?forum=66&thread=11622 ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
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I actually started JMXView(which I have been informed I might have to rename), after reading Howard's comments on Tapestry. At the time, I was beginning to evaluate Tapestry, and was immediately enamoured with it. After doing some initial ports of one of our internal apps, i thought it would be a good way for me to continue to explore the power of Tapestry. So I set out to do some basic things revolving around the already talked about JMX connector idea. I made some real quick progress, posted some thoughts here and there, and it actually looks like it is catching some interest. As I have said before, I plan on pushing the code to SourceForge sometime this week, then if anyone wants to work on, just let me know, I would be more than happy to open it up. I hadn't even thought of most of the things you guys had brought up, I was initially simply trying to replicate SUN's RI for the first pass. So I would love additional input. I am by no means an expert on either JMX or Tapestry, I just know enough to get in trouble with both(and have many times already). But I will keep pluggin away with this, and see where it goes. Jim http://jmxview.sf.net _ View thread online: http://main.jboss.org/thread.jsp?forum=66&thread=11622 ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
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On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, David Jencks wrote: > Look into the modelmbean descriptors. I think they include a "priority" as > a standard descriptor, this could be used to determine whether to display > something. "visibility" to determine the granularity of mbeans (spec defines levels 1-4) "presentationString" is what the adaptor should look for to get presentation information an XML string describing the mbean view layout. Look for W3C XForms (work in progress web forms) or just roll your own (quicker). The key is for the components to be able to specify how to present and modify non-primitive types that are part of the management interface, e.g if java.net.URL is in the interface how it should be presented in the management tool (string, validate its a real URL, etc). -- Juha ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
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My two cents worth ... I'm very excited at the prospect of a Tapestry application being directly integrated into JBoss (I'm the author of Tapestry). I'm not sure if Jim came up with this idea seperately from me, but I had the idea of a JMX adaptor for JBoss a while back. I favor the idea of using the JBoss branding as part of the user interface. I also favor the idea of having a big plug for Tapestry on every page :-> ... however, Jim's doing the work, so its his call. I'm hoping that this JMXView will signficantly extend the capabilities of the default HTML connector (that's the new term, right?). I've expressed, on the Tapestry developer list, some of the ideas I've had. Basically, the view should have a layer between the UI and the raw JMX that controls what properties and methods are displayed, and how. I would like to see a more tab-oriented view. I would like to be able to merge things like property "State" and "StateString" as just "State". I would like a way to say "this field has only these possible options, present them as a drop-down list". I would like the ability to hide properties and methods, and have the "configuration" persist between sessions in some way. I would like to be able to group MBeans into a "favorites" list. Potentially, even grouping properties of disparate beans into a single form, to make several changes all at once. In other words, I want an evironment where the user has significantly more control, where its more user-centric and less MBean-centric. In the long run, I'm also open to the idea of merging Tapestry into the JBoss umbrella. _ View thread online: http://main.jboss.org/thread.jsp?forum=66&thread=11622 ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
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> In the project I am currently involved the project manager > is really looking for a tool which provides monitoring > functions like the JSR-77 specs provide. He always looks > for something like the BEA console. > > Is that something you had in mind or just more a > replacement for the SUN HTML-Adaptor? Short-term, yes a direct replacement for the SUN adapter, with a few changes to provide JBoss branding and possibly (if easy to implement) collapsable hierarchy of JMX domains, so the first look shows only the top level domains and does not overwhelm the admin with ever MBean in the system. Longger-term, I want a simple pluggable view system which uses consistent l&f. The current SUN-like adapter would then become a view (perhaps the default, using tab-like nav or something similar & simple). Then a JNDI view, with collapsable tree-like view (would be a replacement for curremt JNDIView MBean) Then other views can be created which provide a rich set of admin functionality on top of the basic MBean system. For example, consider a wizard-like view which walked an admin through the steps of creating a new JMS Queue or ConnectionFactory. The view would gather information, then eventually invoke some target MBean to get the work done. I think that JMX is a good base for raw administration, but we need to provide some sugar on top to make it easier and straight forward for anyone to use. That said, I don't have time or the expertese to build such a web app now, and perhaps never will. So I am trying to motivate others with such skills and motivation to work together to make this happen. Once my plate empties a little more, I will be starting to work on the telnet/ssh access + sctiptable interface, as I am very motivated to do that. If you have time and energy to help with the web console, along with anyone else (I am sure there are at least a few), that would be great! The concept is simple, and the code is not hard... just need to find the right people who can spare some time. --jason - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
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Jason, as you can see there are a lot of people trying to help building a console/management tool for JBosss. In the project I am currently involved the project manager is really looking for a tool which provides monitoring functions like the JSR-77 specs provide. He always looks for something like the BEA console. Is that something you had in mind or just more a replacement for the SUN HTML-Adaptor? Thanks, --Marcus -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im Auftrag von Jason Dillon Gesendet: Sonntag, 7. April 2002 23:40 An: Jim Birchfield Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jim Birchfield; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department... Please let me know when you have finished your cleaning and have published the sources. I am going to be busy for the next week (perhaps, unless I under estimate my efficency =), but I have been planing to start a JBoss/Console module, which contains web, command line & telnet/ssh console access to JBoss. I would be interesed to see how your work might fit in there. --jason Quoting Jim Birchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I would love to do that!(integrate with JBoss.org) I am hoping to get a > core code base out to SourceForge sometime this week. I need to clean up > some stuff, and then I can push it out. The framework is built using Jetty > deployed as an MBean, and Tapestry as the web framework driving the > presentation. > > James Birchfield > Director, Application Development > Genscape, Inc. > (502) 583-2298 (o) > (502) 639-3136 (c) > > > -Original Message- > From: Jason Dillon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 4:48 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; James Birchfield > Subject: Re: AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department... > > Very nice, just looked at the shoot, will look into more later. > > Are you expecting to maintain this yourself? Just currious if you had > though > of making this a part og JBoss, thus opening up the maintenece to a wider > audience? > > Either way, looks great. I have been meaning to do something like this for > a > while, and or convince some people I work with to do it for me. > > Have to look in more detail, but if nothing stands out as problem we could > make this the default jmx html adapter and be done with the sun fluff. > > --jason > > > Quoting James Birchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Project is http://jmxview.sf.net";>here > > _ > > View thread online: > http://main.jboss.org/thread.jsp?forum=66&thread=11622 > > > > ___ > > Jboss-development mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development > > > > > > > - > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
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Please let me know when you have finished your cleaning and have published the sources. I am going to be busy for the next week (perhaps, unless I under estimate my efficency =), but I have been planing to start a JBoss/Console module, which contains web, command line & telnet/ssh console access to JBoss. I would be interesed to see how your work might fit in there. --jason Quoting Jim Birchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I would love to do that!(integrate with JBoss.org) I am hoping to get a > core code base out to SourceForge sometime this week. I need to clean up > some stuff, and then I can push it out. The framework is built using Jetty > deployed as an MBean, and Tapestry as the web framework driving the > presentation. > > James Birchfield > Director, Application Development > Genscape, Inc. > (502) 583-2298 (o) > (502) 639-3136 (c) > > > -Original Message- > From: Jason Dillon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 4:48 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; James Birchfield > Subject: Re: AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department... > > Very nice, just looked at the shoot, will look into more later. > > Are you expecting to maintain this yourself? Just currious if you had > though > of making this a part og JBoss, thus opening up the maintenece to a wider > audience? > > Either way, looks great. I have been meaning to do something like this for > a > while, and or convince some people I work with to do it for me. > > Have to look in more detail, but if nothing stands out as problem we could > make this the default jmx html adapter and be done with the sun fluff. > > --jason > > > Quoting James Birchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Project is http://jmxview.sf.net";>here > > _ > > View thread online: > http://main.jboss.org/thread.jsp?forum=66&thread=11622 > > > > ___ > > Jboss-development mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development > > > > > > > - > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
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I would love to do that!(integrate with JBoss.org) I am hoping to get a core code base out to SourceForge sometime this week. I need to clean up some stuff, and then I can push it out. The framework is built using Jetty deployed as an MBean, and Tapestry as the web framework driving the presentation. James Birchfield Director, Application Development Genscape, Inc. (502) 583-2298 (o) (502) 639-3136 (c) -Original Message- From: Jason Dillon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 4:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; James Birchfield Subject: Re: AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department... Very nice, just looked at the shoot, will look into more later. Are you expecting to maintain this yourself? Just currious if you had though of making this a part og JBoss, thus opening up the maintenece to a wider audience? Either way, looks great. I have been meaning to do something like this for a while, and or convince some people I work with to do it for me. Have to look in more detail, but if nothing stands out as problem we could make this the default jmx html adapter and be done with the sun fluff. --jason Quoting James Birchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Project is http://jmxview.sf.net";>here > _ > View thread online: http://main.jboss.org/thread.jsp?forum=66&thread=11622 > > ___ > Jboss-development mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development > - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
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Very nice, just looked at the shoot, will look into more later. Are you expecting to maintain this yourself? Just currious if you had though of making this a part og JBoss, thus opening up the maintenece to a wider audience? Either way, looks great. I have been meaning to do something like this for a while, and or convince some people I work with to do it for me. Have to look in more detail, but if nothing stands out as problem we could make this the default jmx html adapter and be done with the sun fluff. --jason Quoting James Birchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Project is http://jmxview.sf.net";>here > _ > View thread online: http://main.jboss.org/thread.jsp?forum=66&thread=11622 > > ___ > Jboss-development mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development > - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
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Hello James! On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 06:49:11PM +0200, Marcus Redeker wrote: > James, > > your screenshots look almos like the SUN stuff ;-) Is there already a > CVS module or some files to download and take 'live' look at it? I want to help with this project, too. CU Thomas -- AIM-Nickname : tpeuss Homepage : http://www.peuss.de/ PGP-Public-Key : http://www.peuss.de/PublicKey.asc ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
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James, your screenshots look almos like the SUN stuff ;-) Is there already a CVS module or some files to download and take 'live' look at it? Thanks, --Marcus -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im Auftrag von James Birchfield Gesendet: Sonntag, 7. April 2002 16:48 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department... Project is http://jmxview.sf.net";>here _ View thread online: http://main.jboss.org/thread.jsp?forum=66&thread=11622 ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
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I am well on my way with this. I have almost full functionality of the SUN HTML RI, and plan to be finished with that soon. I have registered for a project space on SourceForge, and will hopefully be pushing things out over the next week. It includes security, enhanced views, and easier navigation. Plus other things I hope to get added in as well. Jim _ View thread online: http://main.jboss.org/thread.jsp?forum=66&thread=11622 ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
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Hi and happy Easter, so following the ongoing discussions it looks to me that we are looking for something that replaces the Sun JMX Adaptor. It should be a webapp with a nice outfit and similar functionality the current JMX adaptor provides. Since I am more a technical person myself but I would like to help how about some design oriented person can do some prototype HTML pages which we can convert to JSP's and give them some life? --Marcus Hello Marcus! On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 09:36:26PM +0100, Marcus Redeker wrote: > I was playing around a little the other day and created a JTree with > MutableTreeNodes that looks similar to the list of all deployed MBeans > which the HTML adaptor shows. I will probably extend that to be able > to select one MBean and display attributes and operations. Hmmm. I did the same thing yesterday... ;-) > When I was looking at the stuff I was thinking that we actually have > two systems of MBeans which need management. One is the view which > the current SUN RI HTML Adaptor gives and the other would be a view > oriented on the JSR77 domain hierarchy. I think we should get the MBean-view done first. > So when we create something new either Swing or Webapp oriented we > should think of combining these two views into one console application. IMHO there should be two applications, because the JSR77-console could be used by your webmaster to deploy EJBs, WARs, etc. But he (or she) should not be able to control the deep JBoss functions. > Is that something you guys agree with or am I totally on the wrong > track here? One more think I am interested in (and also project managers > in the project I am working for) is the statistics stuff from JSR77. It > would be great to see these information in an upcoming management client. > Is anybody working on implementing the StatisticsProvider interface for > the JSR77 MBeans? I think there was no need to expose such information because there is no application that reads it. So we are here to change that... ;-) CU Thomas -- AIM-Nickname : tpeuss Homepage : http://www.peuss.de/ PGP-Public-Key : http://www.peuss.de/PublicKey.asc ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
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Hello Marcus! On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 09:36:26PM +0100, Marcus Redeker wrote: > I was playing around a little the other day and created a JTree with > MutableTreeNodes that looks similar to the list of all deployed MBeans > which the HTML adaptor shows. I will probably extend that to be able > to select one MBean and display attributes and operations. Hmmm. I did the same thing yesterday... ;-) > When I was looking at the stuff I was thinking that we actually have > two systems of MBeans which need management. One is the view which > the current SUN RI HTML Adaptor gives and the other would be a view > oriented on the JSR77 domain hierarchy. I think we should get the MBean-view done first. > So when we create something new either Swing or Webapp oriented we > should think of combining these two views into one console application. IMHO there should be two applications, because the JSR77-console could be used by your webmaster to deploy EJBs, WARs, etc. But he (or she) should not be able to control the deep JBoss functions. > Is that something you guys agree with or am I totally on the wrong > track here? One more think I am interested in (and also project managers > in the project I am working for) is the statistics stuff from JSR77. It > would be great to see these information in an upcoming management client. > Is anybody working on implementing the StatisticsProvider interface for > the JSR77 MBeans? I think there was no need to expose such information because there is no application that reads it. So we are here to change that... ;-) CU Thomas -- AIM-Nickname : tpeuss Homepage : http://www.peuss.de/ PGP-Public-Key : http://www.peuss.de/PublicKey.asc ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
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Hunter, Thomas, Ken, all other Geeks I was playing around a little the other day and created a JTree with MutableTreeNodes that looks similar to the list of all deployed MBeans which the HTML adaptor shows. I will probably extend that to be able to select one MBean and display attributes and operations. When I was looking at the stuff I was thinking that we actually have two systems of MBeans which need management. One is the view which the current SUN RI HTML Adaptor gives and the other would be a view oriented on the JSR77 domain hierarchy. So when we create something new either Swing or Webapp oriented we should think of combining these two views into one console application. Is that something you guys agree with or am I totally on the wrong track here? One more think I am interested in (and also project managers in the project I am working for) is the statistics stuff from JSR77. It would be great to see these information in an upcoming management client. Is anybody working on implementing the StatisticsProvider interface for the JSR77 MBeans? --Marcus -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im Auftrag von Ken Sipe Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. März 2002 15:13 An: JBoss Dev Betreff: Re: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department... Hunter, Thomas, Yea I agree that there should be an independent version as well. I was thinking that the first round would require web/servlet support as well as JAAS or JBOSSSX support. I really think this will be the norm. And with all the support it should be fairly simple. Thomas mentioned the MX4J project I was unaware and will see what thats all about. As well, the JOnAS project has it's own html adaptor I believe which may provide code or template of things needed. In talking with marc about this subject in January he was wanting more than I believe the first round would produce. He ask for a couple of things. 1. He wanted CustomTags so people could easily create their own views. 2. Which doesn't seem to fit with the first, He wanted a fat client ( Applet, Flash, ... ) where all the servers available are shown and an admin could drag and drop a cluster together to define the cluster. So even though I agree that standard should at some time be supported. The first version I would like to target with a few dependencies. Ken - Original Message - From: "Marcus Redeker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "JBoss Dev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 4:45 PM Subject: AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department... > I also like the idea of a small integrated version and an extended > full feature tool. Do you guys think that the JSR77 stuff is already > implemented enough to include statistics and monitoring in this > new JMX management tool? > > I just put a patch out to register the SUN Adaptor with basic authentication > enabled because we needed that for a production environment. Maybe that > is something to implement in the planned 2.4.5 version? > > If any help is needed I would certainly help on a new JMX management client. > > --Marcus > > -Ursprungliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im Auftrag von > Hunter Hillegas > Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. Marz 2002 18:41 > An: Ken Sipe; JBoss Dev > Betreff: Re: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department... > > > Ken- > > It sounds like we're on the same page. I think this would be a great... > > Do you think we'd want to have a standard and extended mode, letting the > standard be more slimmed down for netboot and embedded uses and the extended > being the full blown deal? > > Anyway, yeah, I'd like to help. > > Hunter > > > From: "Ken Sipe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Organization: Code Mentor > > Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:31:30 -0600 > > To: "Hunter Hillegas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JBoss Dev" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department... > > > > Hunter, > > > > The JMX HTML adapter is provided by sun in the reference JMX > implementation. > > I had talked with marc in Boston in January regarding this components > > replacement or wrapping. I planned to take this on, however currently I'm > > preparing for a presentation at an upcoming conference. I should be able > to > > focus on it next month. > > > > IMO, we need to replace it. It would remove JBoss' dependency on the > > reference implementation completely. Also, I want to provide a way to > > security the access. > > > > Help would be great. I'm more of a functionality guy. If you got guys > who > > could pretty
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on 27-03-2 15.15, Ken Sipe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I don't know the level of JSR 77 support at this time in JBoss and hadn't > thought about it. look in test.managment.test a servlet talking to the MEJB might be a good start ? i thought there was one allready ? /peter_f ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
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Marcus, I don't know the level of JSR 77 support at this time in JBoss and hadn't thought about it. Does anyone else know? I know this is the future and want it. I did notice your patch. Nice use of JMX! wrapping the original bean and extending the functionality, looks good. Ken - Original Message - From: "Marcus Redeker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "JBoss Dev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 4:45 PM Subject: AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department... > I also like the idea of a small integrated version and an extended > full feature tool. Do you guys think that the JSR77 stuff is already > implemented enough to include statistics and monitoring in this > new JMX management tool? > > I just put a patch out to register the SUN Adaptor with basic authentication > enabled because we needed that for a production environment. Maybe that > is something to implement in the planned 2.4.5 version? > > If any help is needed I would certainly help on a new JMX management client. > > --Marcus > > -Ursprungliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im Auftrag von > Hunter Hillegas > Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. Marz 2002 18:41 > An: Ken Sipe; JBoss Dev > Betreff: Re: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department... > > > Ken- > > It sounds like we're on the same page. I think this would be a great... > > Do you think we'd want to have a standard and extended mode, letting the > standard be more slimmed down for netboot and embedded uses and the extended > being the full blown deal? > > Anyway, yeah, I'd like to help. > > Hunter > > > From: "Ken Sipe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Organization: Code Mentor > > Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:31:30 -0600 > > To: "Hunter Hillegas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JBoss Dev" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department... > > > > Hunter, > > > > The JMX HTML adapter is provided by sun in the reference JMX > implementation. > > I had talked with marc in Boston in January regarding this components > > replacement or wrapping. I planned to take this on, however currently I'm > > preparing for a presentation at an upcoming conference. I should be able > to > > focus on it next month. > > > > IMO, we need to replace it. It would remove JBoss' dependency on the > > reference implementation completely. Also, I want to provide a way to > > security the access. > > > > Help would be great. I'm more of a functionality guy. If you got guys > who > > could pretty it up or add to functionality that would be great ( or beat > you > > to the implementation ) > > > > What I had in mind was more grandiose than what your message implies your > > interest is. I wanted an interface similar to JRun. Maybe not as fancy, > > but close. And something that works ( they have a lot of room for > > improvement, maybe they will steal our code;) Additionally I would like > an > > XML component that the web component leverages. But lets keep it simple > for > > the first go-round. > > > > anyway the component your looking for is: > > com.sun.jdmk.comm.HtmlAdaptorServer > > > > Ken > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Hunter Hillegas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "JBoss Dev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:07 AM > > Subject: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department... > > > > > >> What would it take to pretty up the output from the JMX HTML adapter? > >> > >> Since a lot of folks will probably be using that to manage the server, we > >> might want to think about beautifying it a bit... Nothing fancy or > >> cumbersome, but a little sprucing up here and there... > >> > >> I'm happy to see what I can contribute here, we have a team of top notch > > Web > >> guys that I could steal some time from... > >> > >> Does anyone know off-hand where this is generated? I'll go poking > > around... > >> > >> Hunter > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Jboss-development mailing list > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development > > > ___ > Jboss-development mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development > > > ___ > Jboss-development mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...
Hunter, Thomas, Yea I agree that there should be an independent version as well. I was thinking that the first round would require web/servlet support as well as JAAS or JBOSSSX support. I really think this will be the norm. And with all the support it should be fairly simple. Thomas mentioned the MX4J project I was unaware and will see what thats all about. As well, the JOnAS project has it's own html adaptor I believe which may provide code or template of things needed. In talking with marc about this subject in January he was wanting more than I believe the first round would produce. He ask for a couple of things. 1. He wanted CustomTags so people could easily create their own views. 2. Which doesn't seem to fit with the first, He wanted a fat client ( Applet, Flash, ... ) where all the servers available are shown and an admin could drag and drop a cluster together to define the cluster. So even though I agree that standard should at some time be supported. The first version I would like to target with a few dependencies. Ken - Original Message - From: "Marcus Redeker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "JBoss Dev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 4:45 PM Subject: AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department... > I also like the idea of a small integrated version and an extended > full feature tool. Do you guys think that the JSR77 stuff is already > implemented enough to include statistics and monitoring in this > new JMX management tool? > > I just put a patch out to register the SUN Adaptor with basic authentication > enabled because we needed that for a production environment. Maybe that > is something to implement in the planned 2.4.5 version? > > If any help is needed I would certainly help on a new JMX management client. > > --Marcus > > -Ursprungliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im Auftrag von > Hunter Hillegas > Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. Marz 2002 18:41 > An: Ken Sipe; JBoss Dev > Betreff: Re: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department... > > > Ken- > > It sounds like we're on the same page. I think this would be a great... > > Do you think we'd want to have a standard and extended mode, letting the > standard be more slimmed down for netboot and embedded uses and the extended > being the full blown deal? > > Anyway, yeah, I'd like to help. > > Hunter > > > From: "Ken Sipe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Organization: Code Mentor > > Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:31:30 -0600 > > To: "Hunter Hillegas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JBoss Dev" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department... > > > > Hunter, > > > > The JMX HTML adapter is provided by sun in the reference JMX > implementation. > > I had talked with marc in Boston in January regarding this components > > replacement or wrapping. I planned to take this on, however currently I'm > > preparing for a presentation at an upcoming conference. I should be able > to > > focus on it next month. > > > > IMO, we need to replace it. It would remove JBoss' dependency on the > > reference implementation completely. Also, I want to provide a way to > > security the access. > > > > Help would be great. I'm more of a functionality guy. If you got guys > who > > could pretty it up or add to functionality that would be great ( or beat > you > > to the implementation ) > > > > What I had in mind was more grandiose than what your message implies your > > interest is. I wanted an interface similar to JRun. Maybe not as fancy, > > but close. And something that works ( they have a lot of room for > > improvement, maybe they will steal our code;) Additionally I would like > an > > XML component that the web component leverages. But lets keep it simple > for > > the first go-round. > > > > anyway the component your looking for is: > > com.sun.jdmk.comm.HtmlAdaptorServer > > > > Ken > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Hunter Hillegas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "JBoss Dev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:07 AM > > Subject: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department... > > > > > >> What would it take to pretty up the output from the JMX HTML adapter? > >> > >> Since a lot of folks will probably be using that to manage the server, we > >> might want to think about beautifying it a bit... Nothing fancy or > >&
AW: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...
I also like the idea of a small integrated version and an extended full feature tool. Do you guys think that the JSR77 stuff is already implemented enough to include statistics and monitoring in this new JMX management tool? I just put a patch out to register the SUN Adaptor with basic authentication enabled because we needed that for a production environment. Maybe that is something to implement in the planned 2.4.5 version? If any help is needed I would certainly help on a new JMX management client. --Marcus -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im Auftrag von Hunter Hillegas Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. Marz 2002 18:41 An: Ken Sipe; JBoss Dev Betreff: Re: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department... Ken- It sounds like we're on the same page. I think this would be a great... Do you think we'd want to have a standard and extended mode, letting the standard be more slimmed down for netboot and embedded uses and the extended being the full blown deal? Anyway, yeah, I'd like to help. Hunter > From: "Ken Sipe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Organization: Code Mentor > Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:31:30 -0600 > To: "Hunter Hillegas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JBoss Dev" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department... > > Hunter, > > The JMX HTML adapter is provided by sun in the reference JMX implementation. > I had talked with marc in Boston in January regarding this components > replacement or wrapping. I planned to take this on, however currently I'm > preparing for a presentation at an upcoming conference. I should be able to > focus on it next month. > > IMO, we need to replace it. It would remove JBoss' dependency on the > reference implementation completely. Also, I want to provide a way to > security the access. > > Help would be great. I'm more of a functionality guy. If you got guys who > could pretty it up or add to functionality that would be great ( or beat you > to the implementation ) > > What I had in mind was more grandiose than what your message implies your > interest is. I wanted an interface similar to JRun. Maybe not as fancy, > but close. And something that works ( they have a lot of room for > improvement, maybe they will steal our code;) Additionally I would like an > XML component that the web component leverages. But lets keep it simple for > the first go-round. > > anyway the component your looking for is: > com.sun.jdmk.comm.HtmlAdaptorServer > > Ken > > > - Original Message - > From: "Hunter Hillegas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "JBoss Dev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:07 AM > Subject: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department... > > >> What would it take to pretty up the output from the JMX HTML adapter? >> >> Since a lot of folks will probably be using that to manage the server, we >> might want to think about beautifying it a bit... Nothing fancy or >> cumbersome, but a little sprucing up here and there... >> >> I'm happy to see what I can contribute here, we have a team of top notch > Web >> guys that I could steal some time from... >> >> Does anyone know off-hand where this is generated? I'll go poking > around... >> >> Hunter >> >> >> ___ >> Jboss-development mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...
Hello! On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 11:35:48AM -0600, Adrian Brock wrote: > Of course, there could be two versions. > One for embedded, and one using servlets/jsp. IMHO the JMX-HTML-adapter should be completely independent of any other service (servlet or jsp). The MX4J-guys (http://mx4j.sourceforge.net/) do it in an interesting way: their "HTML"-adapter produces XML and you can attach a XSLT-processor in front of it to produce the HTML-View (or whatever you like e.g. WML to manage your JBoss with your mobile-phone ;-) ). OK, that's not lightweight. ;-) But interesting... CU Thomas -- AIM-Nickname : tpeuss Homepage : http://www.peuss.de/ PGP-Public-Key : http://www.peuss.de/PublicKey.asc ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...
Ken- It sounds like we're on the same page. I think this would be a great... Do you think we'd want to have a standard and extended mode, letting the standard be more slimmed down for netboot and embedded uses and the extended being the full blown deal? Anyway, yeah, I'd like to help. Hunter > From: "Ken Sipe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Organization: Code Mentor > Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:31:30 -0600 > To: "Hunter Hillegas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JBoss Dev" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department... > > Hunter, > > The JMX HTML adapter is provided by sun in the reference JMX implementation. > I had talked with marc in Boston in January regarding this components > replacement or wrapping. I planned to take this on, however currently I'm > preparing for a presentation at an upcoming conference. I should be able to > focus on it next month. > > IMO, we need to replace it. It would remove JBoss' dependency on the > reference implementation completely. Also, I want to provide a way to > security the access. > > Help would be great. I'm more of a functionality guy. If you got guys who > could pretty it up or add to functionality that would be great ( or beat you > to the implementation ) > > What I had in mind was more grandiose than what your message implies your > interest is. I wanted an interface similar to JRun. Maybe not as fancy, > but close. And something that works ( they have a lot of room for > improvement, maybe they will steal our code;) Additionally I would like an > XML component that the web component leverages. But lets keep it simple for > the first go-round. > > anyway the component your looking for is: > com.sun.jdmk.comm.HtmlAdaptorServer > > Ken > > > - Original Message - > From: "Hunter Hillegas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "JBoss Dev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:07 AM > Subject: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department... > > >> What would it take to pretty up the output from the JMX HTML adapter? >> >> Since a lot of folks will probably be using that to manage the server, we >> might want to think about beautifying it a bit... Nothing fancy or >> cumbersome, but a little sprucing up here and there... >> >> I'm happy to see what I can contribute here, we have a team of top notch > Web >> guys that I could steal some time from... >> >> Does anyone know off-hand where this is generated? I'll go poking > around... >> >> Hunter >> >> >> ___ >> Jboss-development mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...
It is a Sun utility, it comes from jmxtools.jar and is just a front-end to the MBeanServer. As part of JBossMX we want to provide a better version. Mainly for security, but there are other improvements, making it pretty is just one. You need to remember that it needs to run embedded within JBoss. There might not be a web container. Of course, there could be two versions. One for embedded, and one using servlets/jsp. Regards, Adrian > What would it take to pretty up the output from the > JMX HTML adapter? > > Since a lot of folks will probably be using that to > manage the server, we > might want to think about beautifying it a bit... > Nothing fancy or > cumbersome, but a little sprucing up here and > there... > > I'm happy to see what I can contribute here, we have > a team of top notch Web > guys that I could steal some time from... > > Does anyone know off-hand where this is generated? > I'll go poking around... > > Hunter > > > ___ > Jboss-development mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-dev > lopment _ View thread online: http://main.jboss.org/thread.jsp?forum=66&thread=11618 ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...
Hunter, The JMX HTML adapter is provided by sun in the reference JMX implementation. I had talked with marc in Boston in January regarding this components replacement or wrapping. I planned to take this on, however currently I'm preparing for a presentation at an upcoming conference. I should be able to focus on it next month. IMO, we need to replace it. It would remove JBoss' dependency on the reference implementation completely. Also, I want to provide a way to security the access. Help would be great. I'm more of a functionality guy. If you got guys who could pretty it up or add to functionality that would be great ( or beat you to the implementation ) What I had in mind was more grandiose than what your message implies your interest is. I wanted an interface similar to JRun. Maybe not as fancy, but close. And something that works ( they have a lot of room for improvement, maybe they will steal our code;) Additionally I would like an XML component that the web component leverages. But lets keep it simple for the first go-round. anyway the component your looking for is: com.sun.jdmk.comm.HtmlAdaptorServer Ken - Original Message - From: "Hunter Hillegas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "JBoss Dev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:07 AM Subject: [JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department... > What would it take to pretty up the output from the JMX HTML adapter? > > Since a lot of folks will probably be using that to manage the server, we > might want to think about beautifying it a bit... Nothing fancy or > cumbersome, but a little sprucing up here and there... > > I'm happy to see what I can contribute here, we have a team of top notch Web > guys that I could steal some time from... > > Does anyone know off-hand where this is generated? I'll go poking around... > > Hunter > > > ___ > Jboss-development mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
[JBoss-dev] JMX HTML... From the Pure Fluff Department...
What would it take to pretty up the output from the JMX HTML adapter? Since a lot of folks will probably be using that to manage the server, we might want to think about beautifying it a bit... Nothing fancy or cumbersome, but a little sprucing up here and there... I'm happy to see what I can contribute here, we have a team of top notch Web guys that I could steal some time from... Does anyone know off-hand where this is generated? I'll go poking around... Hunter ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development