[JBoss-user] RE: [Security & JAAS/JBoss] - Using isUserInRole() on unsecured page

2004-03-25 Thread Ken Yee

> always check the reference implementation -- Tomcat 4.1.29 standalone 

> returns the same values for these functions regardless of whether

> invoked in the context of a secured or



That's funny.  I remember a long time back, I complained to the

Tomcat team about the same issue.  Their reply at the time was that

the behavior we wanted wasn't defined in the Servlet spec and I

told them it didn't make sense to do it the way they did because

you can't hide parts of menus that are only available to 

Administrators.  Guess they changed their minds :-)



BTW, when I did my Domino/JBoss/Tomcat SSO plugin, that's the first

thing I fixed ;-)



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[JBoss-user] RE: A taste of things to come (Pete Beck)

2003-10-17 Thread Ken Yee

Thanks for the informative post on your experience w/ Hibernate :-)



Is there any part of your web site that you can see it in action?

Looks like you actually have to log in to see anything.



Also, it looks like you're using Java Server Faces pages already?

Any comments on how you like it so far?

You might want to look at this page:

https://i3t.org/members/contact.jsf

It puts up an error msg for me: "Error serving page"





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RE: [JBoss-user] admins, could you please fix the mailing list?

2003-09-03 Thread Ken Yee

"James Higginbotham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> and it took me all of 2 min to create an email rule to chunk these

> emails from the various lists I've been seeing them on, until the list

> hosts can get around these wonderful worm issues. Worth a shot for a



At least you're not in Digest mode.

Lots of digests are unreadable because people continue to post

MIME/HTML encoded crap into the list instead of using Plain Text as

they should for all mailing lists.  And the SF mail list server

isn't smart enough to automatically strip out MIME like some of

the commercial list servers can :-P



For folks who have MIME turned on, set yourself to Digest mode

for a day and see how many digests are actually readable :-(



And you can't filter out the SoBig.F and MSBlaster junk in

digest mode either :-O



 ken



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[JBoss-user] any ETA on Tomcat5 package w/ JBoss 4?

2003-08-14 Thread Ken Yee

> We hired Remy Maucherat the lead developer of Tomcat 5 on Monday 

Sounds like this will be an eventuality.
I'm also curious how Tomcat5 compares w/ Jetty in terms
of speed/robustness.  I've heard a lot about how Jetty is
much faster than Tomcat4, but have used Tomcat4 because it
seems to be meeting new standards faster (a.k.a., the Tomcat5
effort).


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Re: [JBoss-user] JBoss 4.0

2003-06-06 Thread Ken Yee

snpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Complete output is in attach (11k in bz2 format)

1) don't *ever* send attachments into a mailing list (sorry...I
admin a few lists and this is one of my pet peeves and I banned
it at the list server level).  All listers will see is a bunch of
garbage ASCII text
2) please just cut/paste a few of the WARN errors you think
are problems and we can look at them
3) no clue what .bz2 format is (which makes the attachment
and even worse thing to send into the list)-:


 ken


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Re: [JBoss-user] JBoss 4.0

2003-06-05 Thread Ken Yee

snpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> can see file (return from list) on linux with kmail

Try switching your list subscription to digest mode.
Attachments and any rich text formatting (this includes most
Outlook users or anything that sends MIME/HTML) looks like
garbage text :-P


> WARN  [ServiceController] Problem stopping service

I get lots of errors stopping JBoss too, but I thought it
wouldn't matter since the server was shutting down anyways ;-)

Are you having problems with the remoting service on JBoss
startup or on shutdown?
I'm not sure what port the remoting service uses, but you
might want to make sure you don't have something running on
it.


 ken


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[JBoss-user] interesting articles from The Inquirer

2003-06-05 Thread Ken Yee

In case any of you missed it :-)

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9813
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9850


 ken


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RE: [JBoss-user] JBoss 4.0

2003-06-05 Thread Ken Yee

snpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I try JBoss 4.0 (cvs 04.06.2003) and build with tomcat 4.1.24.
> When JBoss start it have a lot errors in log output

You should only get an exception the first time you run it
(something is dropping database tables that don't exist).

I only get a few warnings that look possibly harmful:

2003-06-04 19:57:18,078 WARN  [org.jboss.web.catalina.EmbeddedCatalinaService41] 
Unable to invoke setDelegate on class loader:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
url=file:/J:/Win32Dev/JBoss4/server/default/deploy/jboss-net.sar/ ,addedOrder=5}

2003-06-04 19:57:24,281 WARN  [org.jboss.web.catalina.EmbeddedCatalinaService41] 
Unable to invoke setDelegate on class loader:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
url=file:/J:/Win32Dev/JBoss4/server/default/deploy/jmx-console.war/ ,addedOrder=30}

2003-06-04 19:57:24,687 WARN  [org.jboss.web.catalina.EmbeddedCatalinaService41] 
Unable to invoke setDelegate on class loader:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
url=file:/J:/Win32Dev/JBoss4/server/default/tmp/deploy/server/default/deploy/ssodemo.war/37.ssodemo.war/
 ,addedOrder=31}

2003-06-04 19:57:25,546 WARN  [org.jboss.web.catalina.EmbeddedCatalinaService41] 
Unable to invoke setDelegate on class loader:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
url=file:/J:/Win32Dev/JBoss4/server/default/tmp/deploy/server/default/deploy/web-console.war/38.web-console.war/
 ,addedOrder=32}


Rememeber to uncomment these lins in log4j.xml or you'll get
insane log files of 6MB additions per server startup:
  
  

  

  
  

  

After you add the lines, the log file addition is less than 100KB
for each run of the server.  Most of the log is from dumps of XML
config files from org.apache parsers...


 ken


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RE: [JBoss-user] FYI: JBoss 4 default server uses 50MB more memory than JBoss 3 default

2003-06-05 Thread Ken Yee

"Sacha Labourey" wrote:
> JMS was part of "default" in 3.x

Thanks.  I thought it was part of "all".
Any idea why JBoss 4.0 DR1 uses more memory?  Is it from the AOP
stuff?  I can't say JBoss is a lot less piggy than WAS now :-)


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[JBoss-user] FYI: JBoss 4 default server uses 50MB more memory than JBoss 3 default

2003-06-05 Thread Ken Yee

Still exploring DR1, but just wanted to let you folks that are still
on 3.x that it uses more memory.  Seems like JMS is now a standard
part of the default server in 4.0 DR1 whereas it was part of the
"all" config in 3.x.


 ken

p.s., my custom authenticator is broken in 4.0 DR1...looks like
you can't get the security context by doing a lookup of 
comp/env/security any more (claims "env" is not bound).
Anyone know of a workaround for this? :-(


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RE: [JBoss-user] Where to download JBoss 4.0 DR1?

2003-06-03 Thread Ken Yee

"Jason Stortz" wrote:
> You can get it from the jboss project at http://www.sourceforge.net 

Thanks, Jason.  Didn't think to look there because I thought you'd
have to build the code from CVS :-)

Even the PDF news blurb on jboss.org mentions that you can download
4.0 from jboss.org...


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[JBoss-user] Where to download JBoss 4.0 DR1?

2003-06-03 Thread Ken Yee

Anyone know when the download for a JBoss/Tomcat 4.0 package will be
available on JBoss' site?  There is a link to download it in the
news section, but clicking it brings you to the JBoss 4.0 Vision
page.  Nothing on the Downloads page either...only 3.0 and 3.2.

BTW, someone should run the JBoss web site through a spellchecker:
"Professinal" Open Source in the page title? ;-)


 ken


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[JBoss-user] AOP vs. J2EE performance?

2003-06-02 Thread Ken Yee

After I found out JBoss 4.0 is getting released on Monday, I read
up on AOP a bit since that seemed like one of the biggest features.
The AOP logging example on the JBoss site looked like a perfect
way to add logging if you wanted to debug call traces.

Has anyone tried benchmarking AOP vs. J2EE (CMP) performance?  The
2nd AOP example seems to show you can use it to replace CMP beans.


 ken


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RE: Re[3]: [JBoss-user] JBoss separate Tomcat and JAAS

2003-05-27 Thread Ken Yee

 --- On Tue 05/27, Miroslav Nachev < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> If the application is developed to serve more than one organization 

You have a custom login page with a bit more info: the org.

Because of this, your user's login validation info is actually
composed of 3 pieces of info: username/password/org.  Roles
depend on these three bits of information.

If you really want to use container managed security and don't
want to write your own custom JAAS login module, the easiest way 
to handle this is probably to use the database login module
and have your custom login page pass through the username as
"_".


> 'Jonh' has Administrative rolefor "apps/application1" and
> User role for "apps/application2"?

Separate .war files for application1 and application2.  Each
.war file has separate login/role information in separate
databases.

There is a way to configure JBoss to share credentials so the
user doesn't have to log in multiple times if you synchronize
password changes.

How in the world are you doing this in Weblogic or Websphere?
I can't imagine either of these cases is anything that would
be handled by their normal authentication support...


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Re: [JBoss-user] Re: update on automatic login

2003-03-06 Thread Ken Yee

"Simone Milani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I think what Tomcat does after a post to j_security_check is look
> inside theser session (private to the container - 
> org.apache.catalina.Session) for anttribute containing the
> original page that the user was trying to access.
> If it cannot find it throws an error 400. What you can do is have 
> a custom00 error page that redirects to somewhere.

Thanks.  After reviewing the code in FormAuthenticator.java, I can
safely say authentication does take place before it checks this
info.  Since I'm simulating the call to the login page inside my
autologin servlet, this is ok and I can safely ignore the error.  I
just have to add a querystring parameter to my autologin servlet to 
jump to the proper page after it finishes authenticating.  I also
have to come up w/ a pseudo-standard username/roles session
variable names since these values aren't filled in when you
access an unprotected part of your web site.  Please let me know
if you folks know of any standard naming convention besides 
just putting in variables named "UserName" and "Roles" in the 
session :-)


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Re: [JBoss-user] Re: update on automatic login

2003-03-06 Thread Ken Yee

Neal Sanche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Well, I've not actually tried using a servlet to do a POST to the
> login page. In my old company, an applet was doing the POST, and the 

I've done posts from applets to upload files before too...just
didn't think this would work for automatic login because I
thought it'd do something weird under the hood.

FYI, it does work in testing of a restricted URL to a servlet.  The
user and roles get loaded properly from JBoss.  The only oddity is
that I get a 400 error response from Tomcat when doing this.  I
think it sets some session variable to tag the login so it knows
where to send the user after the login completes because there is
no such value stored as a query or form variable.
Time to test a restricted EJB method to see if it really logged
into JBoss (the servlet test only tests login to Tomcat)...


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[JBoss-user] Re: update on automatic login

2003-03-05 Thread Ken Yee

FYI, if you access your form based login page (mine is called login.jsp)
directly from a browser, you can submit it and Tomcat/JBoss complains
that "Invalid direct reference to form login page" but the user is
still logged in (I can access a restricted URL w/o a login prompt),
so it looks like that "post to login page from automatic login" servlet
workaround will work, but it may be depending on a bug in
Tomcat/JBoss...


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Re: [JBoss-user] update on automatic login

2003-03-05 Thread Ken Yee

Hmm...now that's an interesting workaround.  Better than
my hack of mucking w/ the REMOTE_USER header and no ties to
a specific web container Valve/Interceptor/Filter implementation.

Only possible caveat is that you need to be able to look up the 
username/password from the "automatic login" cookie.  In
my case, I can only get the username, but perhaps I can
pass in something else for the password so my custom login
module will accept it.

The other caveat is that the "automatic login" URL has to be
to an unrestricted page/servlet.  If a user who wants to use
automatic login wants to jump to a protected URL directly,
they'll get prompted for a username/password because the container
will think they're not logged in yet...

thanks,

 ken

Message: 3 From: Neal Sanche Organization: No Such Device To: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [JBoss-user] update on automatic login Date: Wed, 5 Mar 
2003 11:03:02 -0500 Reply-To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wouldn't it be possible for you to perform a POST 
from within a servlet
using the same JSESSIONID cookie that the user's browser sent, then 
forward their browser back to the
page? The POST would simulate a FORM login, and if the cookie is the 
same the web application would
think it was the user's browser doing the authentication. If it 
doesn't work, the redirect of the user's browser
will also fail, bringing them back to the login page anyway. I don't 
know if this will help, but I hope so. -Neal

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[JBoss-user] update on automatic login

2003-03-05 Thread Ken Yee

FYI, this technique doesn't work:
  copy code out of JBossSecurityMgrRealm for login and stick in
  servlet that is not restricted w/ declarative security
  log in using this code, set REMOTE_USER header and set
  j_subject to be the Subject in the session
in case anyone else heads down this path.  I didn't think it'd
work, but I was hoping it would because it would have made it
much easier to do :-)

Looks like the right/only way to do it is to write a custom Tomcat Valve that is 
inserted before Tomcat's security valve.  This custom
valve will take the cookie and do the validation w/ the code in 
JBossSecurityMgrRealm and also call appropriate Tomcat routines to
indicate that the user is authenticated.

I also found an Apache FAQ that says REMOTE_USER is only set if
you go to a restricted URL...it's not sent down if you hit an
unrestricted URL.  So, anyone trying to do that "show admin links
if you have the Admin role" technique is out of luck because
Apache doesn't support it.
iPlanet has a configuration parameters that sends REMOTE_USER
to unrestricted URLs.

One quick question:
  where does JBossSecurityMgrRealm get inserted into the Tomcat
valve list?  It's not in the tomcat4.1\conf\server.xml file as
I thought it would be.

Off I go to stare at Tomcat source code for a while.  I'll update
w/ results...

 ken


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Re: [JBoss-user] code for "is user authenticated" in JBoss?

2003-03-04 Thread Ken Yee

Found JBossSecurityMgrRealm in the contrib module:
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/jboss/contrib/tomcat41/src/main/org/jboss/web/catalina/security/


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Re: [JBoss-user] code for "is user authenticated" in JBoss?

2003-03-04 Thread Ken Yee

Hi Scott,

I didn't realize you were on this list.  I only see two solutions
to the goal of adding automatic logons (a.k.a. "remember me"
functionality) to a website w/ declarative security:
1) Use a servlet that is unrestricted and create a LoginContext
to try to log into JBoss from the servlet.
Issues include getting Tomcat 4.1 to see that you are logged on
so that servlets/JSP/JSP Tags can see who you are as a user
and what roles you have.  I also couldn't get Tomcat to believe
I was logged in my logging in a LoginContext.
2) Try to hook into JBossSecurityMgrRealm (not sure if this is
even possible) so you can grab/insert cookies to implement
the automatic login.
This currently seems the only viable way to do it.  The only
negative I've seen is that if you log in to a restricted URL,
then go to a non-restricted URL, Tomcat thinks you're no
longer logged in and don't have any roles.  This breaks any
possibility of implementing a context-sensitive UI (e.g., show
some admin features if you have the Admin role if you're on
the home page).  I found a posting that said the servlet spec
is vague about whether logins/roles should persist between
restricted and unrestricted URLs so this technically isn't a
bug, but I think it's being done wrong right now because of the 
admin example above.
3) Punt and give up on container managed security because it's
in its buggy infancy and use app managed security, which means no
declarative security for servlets/JSPs/EJBs.  :-P

Sorry for being long winded.  Any suggestions on the proper
approach or whether (2) is viable?

 thanks,

 ken

Original msg from HTML/MIME garbled digest:
Message: 3 From: "Scott M Stark" To: Subject: Re: [JBoss-user] code for "is user 
authenticated" in JBoss? Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:21:25 -0800 Organization: JBoss 
Group, LLC Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Its the web container that makes this 
determination and integration is specific to the web container. A valve in tomcat and 
an interceptor in jetty. The web container calls out to its security manager plugin 
which is where the JBoss security is integrated. See: 
org.jboss.web.catalina.security.JBossSecurityMgrRealm in the tomcat41 module and 
org.jboss.jetty.security.JBossUserRealm in the jetty module.  
Scott Stark Chief Technology Officer JBoss Group, LLC  - 
Original Message - From: "Ken Yee" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:17 AM 
Subject: [JBoss-user] code for "is user authenticated" in JBoss? > > I'm still trying 
to figure out 

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Re: [JBoss-user] code for "is user authenticated" in JBoss?

2003-03-04 Thread Ken Yee

Thanks, Chris.

Points me in a new direction.  I was rummaging through the
SecurityInterceptor portion of the JBoss source tree :-P

The Tomcat 4.1 stuff seems to be yanked out of the tree according
the comments I found where I expected to see it browsing the
JBoss src tree on SourceForge:
"Drop the jboss-all/tomcat41 files as jboss-all is not a real module"
Any idea where the JBossSecurityMgrRealm.java file is in the
source tree?


 ken

p.s., in case you folks who have HTML/MIME mail turned on don't
know, this is what the digest version of this list looks like if
you send an HTML/MIME reply into it (all the msgs mash together):
Jain --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:38:35 -0500 From: Chris Bonham 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:  Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It depends on what web 
container you're using: Tomcat 4.0/Catalina: 
catalina/src/main/org/jboss/web/catalina/security/JBossSecurityMgrRealm.java Tomcat 
4.1: tomcat41/src/main/org/jboss/web/catalina/security/JBossSecurityMgrRealm.java 
Jetty: jetty/src/main/org/jboss/jetty/security/JBossUserRealm.java Good luck! -- Chris 
Bonham President/CEO Third Eye Consulting, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
http://www.thirdeyeconsulting.com 317.823.3686 317.823.0353 (FAX) Quoting Ken Yee 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > I'm still trying to figure out how to do autologin into JBoss 
> 

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[JBoss-user] code for "is user authenticated" in JBoss?

2003-03-04 Thread Ken Yee

I'm still trying to figure out how to do autologin into JBoss
declarative security using a persistent cookie :-)

Would anyone happen to know where the source code for the decision
of whether or not a user is logged in is?  I'm looking for the
code point just before it puts up the username/password dialog/form
on the web; at this point, JBoss is deciding whether a user has
access to a restricted servlet or EJB method...i.e., whether a user
is logged in already.  I'm wondering if I can hook into this decision
process...

I've been through most of the JBossSX source tree on sourceforge
w/ no luck, but I think I might be in the wrong JBoss module :-(

 thanks,

 ken


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[JBoss-user] Please turn off HTML/MIME mail

2003-02-28 Thread Ken Yee

Could folks who post to the list please turn off HTML/MIME mail?
It totally garbles mail for those of us who are in digest mode :-(

 thanks,

 ken


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[JBoss-user] RE: automatic login and iTracker

2003-02-27 Thread Ken Yee

Well...after a bit of digging, I found that iTracker does *NOT* use
container-based security.  You can tell by looking at ejb-jar.xml
where you won't find any security tags.

What it does is let any EJB methods be called by anyone.  Ditto
with all servlets.  It uses a classic Guard pattern by having all
the JSP pages check for a user session object to indicate if someone
is logged in.  Because of this, doing automatic login via a cookie
is trivial (though they could at least encrypt the cookie, but the
cookie looks like a simple user id).  This technique is used in
ASP, CF, PHP, etc. designs.  It also explains how iTracker can be
cross-platform and work on JBoss, Weblogic, etc.

For those curious, you can look at check-login.jsp which is included
in all the JSP pages of this app.

Anyone know of a JBoss custom login module god I can talk to? :-P


 ken


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Re: [JBoss-user] automatic login in JBoss app?

2003-02-27 Thread Ken Yee

Rod Macpherson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> The cookies will be in the request header so if you have access to the
> request in the custom login then a call to getCookies otta work fine.

That's just it, I don't have access to the cookies in the custom
login module.  Ideally, the HTTP request object should be tucked away
in one of the Subject properties so it can be accessed from within
the custom login module, but it's not.

I'll dig into ITracker and post what I find.  Since it looks
like it is cross-platform (not just JBoss), I suspect they use some
sort of "stick username into session" hack instead of using container
based authentication...


 ken


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[JBoss-user] automatic login in JBoss app?

2003-02-26 Thread Ken Yee

No luck digging in the archives for this list or on the security
forum on jboss.org.

Has anyone done the feature you find in a lot of web sites where
you can click a checkbox next to your login info and a cookie is
stored to automatically log you in the next time you visit the
site?
Somehow, it would have to hook into the authentication process
but I can't figure out how to read a browser cookie in a custom login
module...

 thanks,


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