[JBoss-user] [Installation Configuration] - Re: How to start Multiple servers (instances) in JBoss
You know, sometimes a one-line answer is less helpfull than no answer at all. Mohan - I'm working on the same problem you are. First, read this: http://jboss.com/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopict=63969 Now, in my case, each Jboss instance is serving a domain that has it's own ip address, and therefore I can use the configuration options to set the --host=$JBOSS_HOST option for each instance. This allows for the RMI, JNDI, UIL2, and other ports that a JBoss server config can use to bind to that IP or Host name instead of all vying for the same IP address, which is what I think is happening to you. As far as I'm concerned the binding-manager-service is a programmer's solution to multiple instances, which is to say it's over-complicated and just not very helpful to 90% of the people using JBoss. For just throwing up a second server, it should have been much simpler. If you're going to run multiple instances of JBoss on the same IP and you don't want to have to take the time to learn the binding-manager-service, then you need to change the ports the services use for each instance. I'm working on the script referenced in the post linked above to make all this multiple instance stuff easier. I'm just getting around to taking care of ports for shared host instances, but until I do, you'll have to go into the Tomcat SAR server.xml, the jboss-service.xml, and any other assorted xml configuration files for what services you are deploying and change the ports there for each instance so no ports conflict with any others. I hope this helps, and as I said, I'm still working on simplifying all of this. I'll check back here if you have any other questions... View the original post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=3878206#3878206 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=3878206 --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes Want to be the first software developer in space? Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7412alloc_id=16344op=click ___ JBoss-user mailing list JBoss-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
[JBoss-user] [Installation Configuration] - Re: Shutdown of multiple instances of Jboss on same server
What you're saying is that if you want to be able to shut down any given running instance of JBoss, you are forced to run the JMX service, whether you want it or not? Or is there some other way of targeting a server instance dirctory to specifically shut it down? View the original post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=3878232#3878232 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=3878232 --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes Want to be the first software developer in space? Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7412alloc_id=16344op=click ___ JBoss-user mailing list JBoss-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
[JBoss-user] [Installation Configuration] - Re: Shutdown of multiple instances of Jboss on same server
Hey Scott. Here's a list of the issues I've run across. 1.) The latest documentation (http://docs.jboss.org/jbossas/jboss4guide/r3/html/ch01.html) doesn't state anywhere exactly what needs to be done to relocate a configuration folder outside the [jboss_home]/server directory. One glaring omission is in Figure 1.1, where jboss.server.base.url is listed, but is completely useless without knowing that you would also have to set jboss.server.base.dir to get JBoss to recognise a configuration home outside the server directory. 2.) The current virtual host configuration for JBoss (http://docs.jboss.org/jbossas/jboss4guide/r3/html/ch9.chapt.html#d0e22095) is only good if there is only one party responsible for deploying web applications to specific domains. It would be impossible to use this in a true virtual hosting environment because it would not only require shared access to the deploy directory by all domain owners (to be able to deploy wars to their domain), but as the documentation states: anonymous wrote : To deploy a WAR to a specific virtual host you need to specify an appropriate virtual-host definition in your jboss-web.xml descriptor. ... a malicious domain owner could set the war to be deployed to someone elses domain, causing conflicts or worse. This is not to mention that two domains could not run the same application unless the application was specifically coded to handle input from two domains simultaneously. That covers the gist of it for now. Along the lines of feature requests, it would also be nice to allow for a shared deploy directory where a server administrator could put WARs that would be deployed to all configurations (id est - domains, virtual hosts), but would be run as if the WARs had been added to each of the configuration's deploy directories separately. Forgive me if the all configuration does this already. I'd check the documentation to be sure, but the all configuration, its purpose, and how it interacts with the other configurations is never addressed in the docs except for passing references. Googling gives me a firm the all configuration in 4.x does the same stuff it does in 3.2.x. Gee, thanks. Regarding the shutdown command, I mentioned in the first post in this thread that I was using copies of the minimal configuration for testing, which does not have any services in the deploy directory - include the jmx related services. So are you telling me that if you want to stop a server via the command line without using kill -9, you are forced to include the jmx services in your configuration even if you do not want them? View the original post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=3877991#3877991 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=3877991 --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes Want to be the first software developer in space? Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7412alloc_id=16344op=click ___ JBoss-user mailing list JBoss-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
[JBoss-user] [Installation Configuration] - Re: Shutdown of multiple instances of Jboss on same server
Just to add a bit to this, I've created a script for starting multiple JBoss instances on a single server. I am still working on it, as I am a beginning shell scriptor, and for the most part this is a heavily modified version of the redhat script that comes with the 4.0.2 distribution. - redhat because I am currently working on a redhat ES3 server. I would gladly take suggestions for this script and upload any changes for all to share. It's being housed in a Subversion repository at the following link: https://facets-tech.net/repos/ftools_REPOS/trunk/src/jboss/ The user is jbossusr and the password is the same. I think the hell I've had to go through so far to get the right settings for relocating and starting multiple JBoss configurations, each in it's own separate JVM but sharing the same base libraries is a testiment to how virtual-hosting-hostile JBoss currently is. That said, I wouldn't have spent so much of my free time trying to get this right and learning shell scripting if I didn't like JBoss so much. Any help with this - and most importantly right now help with figuring out how to target specific running instances for shutdown, would be greatly appreciated. View the original post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=3877834#3877834 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=3877834 --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes Want to be the first software developer in space? Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393alloc_id=16281op=click ___ JBoss-user mailing list JBoss-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
[JBoss-user] [Installation Configuration] - Shutdown of multiple instances of Jboss on same server
This is for JBoss 4.0.2 running on Redhat ES3. Could someone clarify something for me? I've started multiple instances of JBoss from the command line, meaning two different configurations, each bound to it's own IP address as in the following command: | /usr/local/jboss/bin/run.sh -Djboss.server.base.dir=/home/httpd/vhosts/ -Djboss.server.base.url=file:/home/httpd/vhosts/ --host=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -c mydomain.com/webapps | Run this command twice with differing host and -c settings and you now have two instances of JBoss running from the same installed base. Now the problem remains, how the hell do I shutdown one instance or the other? And I mean without using kill -9? I know the shutdown options, which are found on http://docs.jboss.org/jbossas/jboss4guide/r3/html/ch01.html, but can't seem to get any of them to work. I tried this: | /usr/local/jboss/bin/shutdown.sh -s xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:1099 -S | ...but all I get is an error: | Exception in thread main javax.naming.NameNotFoundException: jmx not bound | Now the test JBoss configurations I am using are just copies of the minimal configurations that come with the JBoss installation, and I think that means that JMX services are not part of that config which would explain the above error, but if that's the case, then how are you supposed to shut down a server from the command line without that service running? Can anyone clue me in? View the original post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=3877790#3877790 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=3877790 --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes Want to be the first software developer in space? Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7393alloc_id=16281op=click ___ JBoss-user mailing list JBoss-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
[JBoss-user] [Installation Configuration] - Server configurations are completely unrelocatable
Well, I've been working on this problem a couple of days now and had two posts here. One post has been ignored for six months, the other post got half an answer. All I want to do is have a server config directory somewhere other than jboss/server/xxx, where xxx is all, minimal, default, or my own config. Before I get another rtfl lame brain!, I read the following twice: http://docs.jboss.org/jbossas/jboss4guide/r2/html/ch01.html ...and spent the last two days playing with the settings in every concievable configuration possible given the documentation. Either JBoss is broken in this regard, or the documentation is completely wrong. Which is it guys? Let's go over one example. Given the following virtual hosting directory structure: | /vhosts | | /jboss.com | || /jboss-start.sh | || /jboss-stop.sh | || /webapps | || | /conf | || | /deploy | || | /lib | || /htdocs | || | /index.html | | /hostedDomain2.com | || /jboss-start.sh | || /jboss-stop.sh | || /webapps | || | /conf | || | /deploy | || | /lib | || /htdocs | || | /index.html | Assume the webapps directory is just a copy of the minimal server configuration from the default JBoss installation. Using what one poster gave me, I started the jboss.com server with the following: Z:\tmp\jboss\bin\run.bat \ -Djboss.server.base.dir=Z:/tmp/vhosts/jboss.com/ \ -Djboss.server.name=webapps ... and I get the following error: | === | . | JBoss Bootstrap Environment | . | JBOSS_HOME: Z:\tmp\jboss\bin\\.. | . | JAVA: C:\Java\jdk1.5.0\bin\java | . | JAVA_OPTS: -Dprogram.name=run.bat -Xms128m -Xmx512m | . | CLASSPATH: C:\Java\jdk1.5.0\lib\tools.jar;Z:\tmp\jboss\bin\\run.jar | . | === | . | 18:20:07,234 INFO [Server] Starting JBoss (MX MicroKernel)... | 18:20:07,234 INFO [Server] Release ID: JBoss [Zion] 4.0.1sp1 (build: CVSTag=JBoss_4_0_1_SP1 date=200502160314) | 18:20:07,234 INFO [Server] Home Dir: Z:\tmp\jboss | 18:20:07,250 INFO [Server] Home URL: file:/Z:/tmp/jboss/ | 18:20:07,250 INFO [Server] Library URL: file:/Z:/tmp/jboss/lib/ | 18:20:07,250 INFO [Server] Patch URL: null | 18:20:07,250 INFO [Server] Server Name: webapps | 18:20:07,250 INFO [Server] Server Home Dir: Z:\tmp\vhosts\jboss.com\webapps | 18:20:07,250 INFO [Server] Server Home URL: file:/Z:/tmp/jboss/server/webapps/ | 18:20:07,250 INFO [Server] Server Data Dir: Z:\tmp\vhosts\jboss.com\webapps\data | 18:20:07,250 INFO [Server] Server Temp Dir: Z:\tmp\vhosts\jboss.com\webapps\tmp | 18:20:07,265 INFO [Server] Server Config URL: file:/Z:/tmp/jboss/server/webapps/conf/ | 18:20:07,265 INFO [Server] Server Library URL: file:/Z:/tmp/jboss/server/webapps/lib/ | 18:20:07,265 INFO [Server] Root Deployment Filename: jboss-service.xml | 18:20:07,265 INFO [Server] Starting General Purpose Architecture (GPA)... | 18:20:08,078 INFO [ServerInfo] Java version: 1.5.0,Sun Microsystems Inc. | 18:20:08,078 INFO [ServerInfo] Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM 1.5.0-b64,Sun Microsystems Inc. | 18:20:08,078 INFO [ServerInfo] OS-System: Windows XP 5.1,x86 | 18:20:08,468 INFO [Server] Core system initialized | Failed to boot JBoss: | org.jboss.deployment.DeploymentException: url file:/Z:/tmp/jboss/server/webapps/conf/jboss-service.xml could not be open | ed, does it exist? | at org.jboss.deployment.DeploymentInfo.init(DeploymentInfo.java:175) | at org.jboss.deployment.MainDeployer.deploy(MainDeployer.java:737) | at org.jboss.deployment.MainDeployer.deploy(MainDeployer.java:722) | at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) | at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39) | at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25) | at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:585) | at org.jboss.mx.interceptor.ReflectedDispatcher.invoke(ReflectedDispatcher.java:144) | at org.jboss.mx.server.Invocation.dispatch(Invocation.java:80) | at org.jboss.mx.server.Invocation.invoke(Invocation.java:72) | at org.jboss.mx.server.AbstractMBeanInvoker.invoke(AbstractMBeanInvoker.java:249) | at org.jboss.mx.server.MBeanServerImpl.invoke(MBeanServerImpl.java:642) | at
[JBoss-user] [Installation Configuration] - Changing Server Configuration Home
Is there a way to change the directory where JBoss looks for server configurations? I mean - out of the box, JBoss looks in the server directory and finds all, default, and minimal. What if I wanted to create a server configuration in a directory outside the server directory? Is there a parameter you can feed to the run.* script? View the original post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=3875305#3875305 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=3875305 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ JBoss-user mailing list JBoss-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
[JBoss-user] [Installation Configuration] - Re: Changing Server Configuration Home
That's exactly what I've been looking for. Forgive me for saying this, but shouldn't that information be in the getting started or application server guide? If it is, it's pretty damn well hidden. Also, that devel guide you pointed to is for the 3.2.x series - is there an updated one for 4.0.1? View the original post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=3875314#3875314 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=3875314 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ JBoss-user mailing list JBoss-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
[JBoss-user] [Installation Configuration] - Re: Changing Server Configuration Home
Well, this is fun. Seems JBoss is hostile to relocating the base directory of
a server. Even with the base directory set:
-Djboss.server.base.url=file:\\\Z:\\tmp\vhosts\server01\
...jboss still puts the tmp and log directories in the
${jboss.home_url}/server/${jboss.server.name} directory. What's up with that?
This persists even if you change the jboss.server.home.url environmental
variable.
This seems very wrong to me. I want to have a separate jboss server instance
for each virtual host on my server, but it doesn't make sense that a server
instance root wouldn't include the work, log, and temp directories. What am I
missing?
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[JBoss-user] [HTTPD, Servlets JSP] - Re: Virtual Private Hosting with JVM Partitioning
Can anyone answer this question at all? Here I am a few months later, and I've used Resin because no one here seemed to care about this question. I like JBoss - I really do, but if I don't even get an it can't be done response, then why should I bother with these forums at all? View the original post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=3874708#3874708 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=3874708 --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: New Crystal Reports XI. Version 11 adds new functionality designed to reduce time involved in creating, integrating, and deploying reporting solutions. Free runtime info, new features, or free trial, at: http://www.businessobjects.com/devxi/728 ___ JBoss-user mailing list JBoss-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
[JBoss-user] [HTTPD, Servlets JSP] - Virtual Private Hosting with JVM Partitioning
As a disclaimer, I've been through the required 4+ hours of Google and JBoss forum searching (when are the going to fix the search function here??) What I have is an internet server with Apache on it and virtual hosting set up. This is to say there's a directory structure like the following: | /vhosts | | /hostedDomain1.com | || /resin-start.sh | || /webapps | || /htdocs | || | /WEB-INF | | /hostedDomain2.com | || /resin-start.sh | || /webapps | || /htdocs | || | /WEB-INF | | /hostedDomain3.com | || /resin-start.sh | || /webapps | || /htdocs | || | /WEB-INF | What I want to do, and what I've seen done with Resin, is where there is a startup and stop script in the root of each hosted domain's directory structure that controls separate instances of Resin for each domain. Only one instance of Resin is installed (under its install directory with a symlink to /resin), but each domain has it's own JVM instance, and webapps (WAR, EAR) put in the individual webapps directories are only deployed for those domains. Now I know about the wiki page: http://www.jboss.org/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=VirtualHosts .. but that is for one JBoss instance to serve many sites, whereas I want that separate JVM instance for each site. I was hoping that someone here could point me in the right direction as to how to set this up, and integrate it with the virtual hosting already set up in Apache. I'm guessing it would require mod_jk1.2, but the exact configuration to send requests from a virtual domain in Apache to a virtual domain in JBoss escapes me. I'd also consult the admin/devel guide, but the last one I got from my subscription (another thing that needs fixing - I haven't received an update in months and my sub is not expired) only cover up to 3.2.3, whereas I am going to use either 3.2.5 or 4.0 for the Tomcat 5 1.4 J2EE and 5.0J2SE support. Can any help? View the original post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=3850216#3850216 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=3850216 --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide on ITManagersJournal Use IT products in your business? Tell us what you think of them. Give us Your Opinions, Get Free ThinkGeek Gift Certificates! Click to find out more http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/guidepromo.tmpl ___ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
[JBoss-user] [Installation Configuration] - Re: CoyoteConnector Coyote can't register jmx for protocol !
I am having the same problem. The particulars are as such: As a noob to JBoss and Linux, I'm doing the only sane thing possible - I'm renting a full bore Red Hat Linux 9.0 server at Interland and attempting to install JBoss on it so I can run several web sites with it. Sweet, right? Well, the server, as I've said, is Red Hat 9.0. The jdk is installed properly (using rpm and a symlink to /usr/java/jdk which points to the J2SDK 1.4.2_04 installation. The server has Apache on it up and running. So all I can think of is that some other process has a lock on port 8080, but I managed to change the port setting in /default/deploy/jbossweb-tomcat41.sar/META-INF/jboss-service.xml file, but all that does is change the error message to say that it can't bind to the new port either. I've tried 18080 and 8040, but same error. The error message I get is as below: ## 14:43:15,010 INFO [STDOUT] Apache Tomcat/4.1.29 14:43:15,601 INFO [Http11Protocol] Initializing Coyote HTTP/1.1 on port 8080 14:43:15,609 INFO [Engine] CoyoteConnector Coyote can't register jmx for protocol 14:43:15,855 INFO [Http11Protocol] Starting Coyote HTTP/1.1 on port 8080 14:43:15,944 INFO [Engine] CoyoteConnector Coyote can't register jmx for protocol 14:43:16,117 INFO [ChannelSocket] JK2: ajp13 listening on /0.0.0.0:8009 14:43:16,400 INFO [JkMain] Jk running ID=0 time=1/381 config=null 14:43:16,401 INFO [EmbeddedTomcatService] OK ## So anyone have a clue? Just one would be nice... View the original post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=3830140#3830140 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=3830140 --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470alloc_id=3638op=click ___ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
[JBoss-user] [Installation Configuration] - WAR Deployment and Properties files
First off, I like JBoss a lot. Second, forgive me if this is in the wrong forum and feel free to move it if need be. I searched the other forums and could find no match to my question. So my predicament is this - My application is going to include the use of properties files, both standard Java .properties and xml files, in the bootstrap routines to pass on configuration information. This is config info that either does not fit or does not belong as Context Initialization Parameters. Now I've read voraciously just about all the documentation I can find on JBoss, and subscribed to the dev docs (I'm always willing to help out with OSS), but I've had only a week with this project and I haven't made any headway in finding out this - How do you make the deployment of a WAR file permanent? In my development environment, which includes JBoss 3.2.3, JBuilder X Enterprise (which has some nice hooks into JBoss for developement), I hit the Debug or Run buttons, which automatically copies my rebuilt WAR file to the [JBoss Root]\server\default\deploy directory (yes, the slashes are in the right direction - I'm using WinXP, pity me!), then starts JBoss. The WAR gets exploded to the [JBoss Root]\server\default\tmp\deploy directory, under a folder named tmp#[War name].war. My problem comes with the fact that even if files are added or modified in that tmp WAR directory, when the JBoss engine is shut down, the directory is erased and all additions and changes are lost. I get this behaviour using both JBuilder's testing bootstrap or using JBoss's own run.bat. So I feel like I'm missing something obvious here. There aren't any standard switches or settings to tell a WAR file to deploy permanently (that I know of), and I want whatever WAR I finish with to do the same thing whether I hand it to JBoss, WebSphere, or WebLogic (sorry for naming the competition). Is there a setting in JBoss somewhere that tells it not to clean up a WAR deployment folder? Or is there a better way of handling the placement of properties files that I haven't come across yet that will work for all appliction servers? Thanks in advance for any help any of you here can give me. View the original post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=3822022#3822022 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=3822022 --- SF.Net is sponsored by: Speed Start Your Linux Apps Now. Build and deploy apps Web services for Linux with a free DVD software kit from IBM. Click Now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1356alloc_id=3438op=click ___ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
[JBoss-user] [Installation Configuration] - Re: WAR Deployment and Properties files
Thanks - it works as you say. Just curious - you said: anonymous wrote : For some changes you'll need to change the date of the WEB-INF/web.xml (or other top level descriptor for instance..) Are you saying for changes to the Context Parameters and such, or the old jsp-include-jsp glitch? Thanks again for your help. View the original post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=viewtopicp=3822049#3822049 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bbop=postingmode=replyp=3822049 --- SF.Net is sponsored by: Speed Start Your Linux Apps Now. Build and deploy apps Web services for Linux with a free DVD software kit from IBM. Click Now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1356alloc_id=3438op=click ___ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user
