[JBoss-user] [EJB/JBoss] - Re: accessing Local Interfaces from JSP's

2004-02-17 Thread acoliver
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And additionally what are the transactional implications of tying your Entity to your 
JSP!


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[JBoss-user] [EJB/JBoss] - Re: accessing Local Interfaces from JSP's

2004-02-17 Thread Zapa
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the tasks i'm  trying to achieve are rather simple . On top of that i'm really new at 
JSP , so i'm going to concentrate my time on learning that , rather than developing a 
business delegate layer . 



I don't suspect i'll reuse this code , or i'd really need to change the presentation 
layer later on , but the moment this  would happen , my first action  would be to go 
by the book and implement sessionbeans .



Of course I'm not worried about transactions , even security is low . I am using EJB's 
for this , because i'm trying to develop a quick and simple aplication and JBoss CMP + 
XDoclet are giving me just that . 



Last thing ... this is a little project of mine , it's not some project i've been 
hired for , otherwise i'd stay closer to best practices 



thanks all for your input 


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[JBoss-user] [EJB/JBoss] - Re: accessing Local Interfaces from JSP's

2004-02-16 Thread Zapa
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heh yes , I should have specified that I'm trying to access Entity beans from JSP . 



The particular component I was trying to code by using JSP - CMP Entity was a simple 
forum . I found that it would be the easiest to have the Forum Entities called by the 
JSP's so that the JSP's could also use them as their data objects . Sending them 
through Session EJB's would require me to writte an extra bean and probably a few data 
storage objects that would contain data identical to the one in the Entities , only to 
be passed and used by the JSP . 



My initial ( but incomplete ) question  was if I could use Local Interfaces to CMP 
Entity beans from JSP , this way saving time one some unecesary coding , and still 
having my data kept locally within the JBoss enviroenment as I'm using the Tomcat 
that's integrated with JBoss 3.2.2 .


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[JBoss-user] [EJB/JBoss] - Re: accessing Local Interfaces from JSP's

2004-02-16 Thread vineeth_varghese
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I would suggest you think again before tying your Entity bean to your JSP code. The 
decision you take should depend on what you are trying to achieve here. If you are 
just looking at creating a 'make and throw away' kind of code..please go ahead with 
this approach.



On the other hand if you are planning to use this application extensively I would 
recommend that you re-think this strategy. Once used any application will need updates 
and enhancements. By following your idea you are creating a strong coupling between 
the business tier and web tier which is a bad design. Any change in your datasource or 
business obj will ripple across tiers...



Implement a business delegate layer to provide a clean separation of tiers


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[JBoss-user] [EJB/JBoss] - Re: accessing Local Interfaces from JSP's

2004-02-15 Thread erik777
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I would still recommend using only local interfaces for entity beans and only letting 
EJBs access them to ensure several things:



  - They cannot be accessed by remote machines (security).

  - You'll have the ability to use CMR with CMP beans.

  - You create proper design where the Web tier is oblivious to data sources and 
operations.  The EJB tier, likewise, should focus on data and business functionality, 
oblivious to client presentation.  This design encourages modularity and reuse, among 
other things.



Keep in mind that remote interfaces are accessable anywhere on the network that is 
reachable.  Local interfaces are not accessible outside the container.  



I personally never access local interfaces from outside an EJB module to ensure that 
the remote session interfaces correctly spec the requirements of the web modules, no 
more, no less, so web modules can be safely distributed in any container while EJB 
modules truly encapsulate the how of the business process.  



An example is an EJB module that authenticates users.  The client can call it 
oblivious to how users are authenticated.  They do not need to know that LDAP even 
exists, let alone if it is being used.  At the same time, the remote interface methods 
are limited enough to ensure that it is impossible to obtain a valid session token 
without proper credentials.



I wish that local interfaces weren't accessible outside the EJB module because it is 
unnecesarily challenging to secure an EJB module from rogue or compromised processes 
in the same container.  



If classes can have private and protected members, then why can't local interfaces 
have some sort of intrinsic protection?




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[JBoss-user] [EJB/JBoss] - Re: accessing Local Interfaces from JSP's

2004-02-13 Thread darranl
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As JBoss optimises the calls anyway I would also reccomend using the remote interfaces 
so that if you want to seperate the layers of your application onto different machines 
you can without having to change the code in the future.


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[JBoss-user] [EJB/JBoss] - Re: accessing Local Interfaces from JSP's

2004-02-12 Thread marc fleury
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yes that is what they are there for.



Also you don't even need to code the local stuff just access the remote and JBoss 
optimizes away under the covers.


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