Re: [JBoss-user] ECperf project

[Tom Coleman]

Christopher Albert wrote:

> 
> As for the patch JBoss-ECperf-patch-001.zip, It seems a bit confusing
> since there is considerable overlap between the contents of this archive
> and the contents of the JBoss-ECperf-001.zip file which it contains.
>

  It is strange, but I thought it would be a good idea to include
  a README that tells you where to zip the patch file. 

> 
> In addition, the populate script contains two identical commands (first
> and forth for  sql/schema_C.sql). This might not be important, but I
> thought I might mention it.
> 

  It was a rush job.  I'll fix it tonight.  Thanks.

> 
> All of which built and deployed without errors. Though I did not test it
> all all on j2sdkee1.2.1.( I only use jboss ...) 
>

  That would put you in good position to work on the JBoss deployment
  descriptors.  ;-)

  They're in the patch, and Tom D. says they work.  Since you've got 
  Cloudscape running, you're in pretty good position to move forward.

  We'll have to repackage the .ear for JBoss, but there is plenty of
  extremely competent help on this list.

  Regards,

  Tom C.
 

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[JBoss-user] ECperf project

[Tom Coleman]

I managed to get ECperf to build and deploy on RH 6.2 / jdk-1.3-fcs on the
RI server.  (Hey, you got to start _somewhere_).

The Makefile was being very fussy about spaces.

I've also manged to "load" the Cloudscape DB.  There were some problems 
with the 'loaddb.sh' script.

I have some errors, but I think they're DB related and may succumb after
I peruse the RI docs.

I will post updated resources tonight.  I'll also post the exceptions if
I can't make any sense of them.

Does anyone have ECperf running?

Thanks,



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Re: [JBoss-user] ECperf project

[Christopher Albert]

Tom Coleman wrote:
> 
> Tom Daly wrote:
> 
> >
> > Actually I was working on JBoss on Solaris and Linux 7 and got it working on
> > both platforms well at least I got one user running on both platforms.  I
> > would be interested to try my build with the cloudescape schema and whatever
> > JDBC drivers you recommend (I was using Oracle).
> >
> 
>  Re: Oracle, you have my sympathies.   ;\
> 
> > I take it you didn't have to change the schema but if you have something
> > to allow me to "easily" populate the cloudescape DB it would enable me to
> > do a quick test, and maybe send you something back working and complete.
> 

>  The zip file can be accessed from the JBoss ECperf project page:
> 
>  
> 
>  I built a single test database using Cloudscape from the RI (1.2.1)
>  distribution.
> 
>  The Cloudscape tools assume Cloudscape is running on port 1098.  Grep for
>  this if you need to change the rmi port number.
> 
>  Further information on running JBoss/Cloudscape is available in the Pet
>  Store HOWTO:
> 
>  
> 
>  Tom C.

I just downloaded the ECperf patch, then built the app successfully in
the following way.

1. I edited the file "ri.env" in $ECPERF_HOME/config to set the J2EE and
JAVA home environment variables correctly for my machine( adding as well
an $ECPERF_HOME ).
2. I went to my $J2EE_HOME (j2sdkee1.2.1) and started cloudscape and
j2ee from the bin dir. THis cloudscape had alreday been set to run on
port 1098 from the petstore app.
3. I then unzipped the patch in $ECPERF_HOME, and ran the populate
script in schema/cloudscape.
4. I then went into $ECPERF_HOME/src , sourced the file 
$ECPERF_HOME/config/ri.env and then ran 
make
make ri
make ri.emulator

All of which built and deployed without errors. Though I did not test it
all all on j2sdkee1.2.1.( I only use jboss ...) 

This is just to give you some testing feedback.

As for the patch JBoss-ECperf-patch-001.zip, It seems a bit confusing
since there is considerable overlap between the contents of this archive
and the contents of the JBoss-ECperf-001.zip file which it contains. In
fact the latter only adds the Jboss dir and its contents, and only omits
the README.Jboss and itself.

In addition, the populate script contains two identical commands (first
and forth for  sql/schema_C.sql). This might not be important, but I
thought I might mention it.

Thanks,

Chris


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Re: [JBoss-user] ECperf project

[Tom Coleman]

Tom Daly wrote:

> 
> Actually I was working on JBoss on Solaris and Linux 7 and got it working on
> both platforms well at least I got one user running on both platforms.  I
> would be interested to try my build with the cloudescape schema and whatever
> JDBC drivers you recommend (I was using Oracle). 
>

 Re: Oracle, you have my sympathies.   ;\

> I take it you didn't have to change the schema but if you have something 
> to allow me to "easily" populate the cloudescape DB it would enable me to 
> do a quick test, and maybe send you something back working and complete.  

 That would be very much appreciated by all involved, Tom.

 I've posted a zip file that contains Tom Daly's JBoss deployment 
 descriptors, some Cloudscape tools, and Bill Kayser's Ant and JRun 
 deployment.

 The zip file can be accessed from the JBoss ECperf project page:

 

 I built a single test database using Cloudscape from the RI (1.2.1) 
 distribution.  

 The Cloudscape tools assume Cloudscape is running on port 1098.  Grep for
 this if you need to change the rmi port number.

 Further information on running JBoss/Cloudscape is available in the Pet
 Store HOWTO:

 


 Tom C.


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RE: [JBoss-user] ECperf project

[Micheal J]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom Coleman
> Sent: 04 April 2001 16:47
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [JBoss-user] ECperf project
>
>
> >
> > Probably the most important database servers from a promotional point of
> > view would be DB2/400, Oracle 8i, Sybase and M$ SQL Server.
> >
>
>  Agreed.  The choice of DB, and it's configuration, will dramatically
>  impact ECperf results.
>
>  Here are the priorities the way I see them:
>
>   1)  Get ECperf running. Somewhere.  period.
>   2)  Get it running with JBoss
>   3)  Use it internally to monitor impact of modifications to
> JBoss sources.
>   4)  Provide JBoss deployment to allow users to measure JBoss
> performance.
>
>  According to the ECperf license, we can't "promote" based on the results.
>  The best we can do is provide a simple framework to allow users
> to produce
>  their own benchmark results.  This is what a sophisticated user (our kind
>  of user) would want to do anyhow.
>
>  Cloudscape will work fine in steps 1-3.

Except that often the different DB engines will often demand different
optimisations. Nope, we need a representative set of DB engines to make (3)
worth doing **in the long run**. (i.e. to do it really well)
At least add Interbase and Oracle. They can likely run on our JBoss server
machine - using the _free_ Oracle Linux developer license (is it still
free?). I'd like to say add MSSQL Server but I guess it's up to Win2k'ers
like me to provide the results on a regular basis...

>
>  Although it is a big issue, we can easily postpone the problems
> of dealing
>  with the big, expensive DB's until later in the project.
>
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RE: [JBoss-user] ECPerf project

[Micheal J]

> Lest you think me an Oracle bigot, I must point out that I don't
> really like
> Oracle. It's grossly overpriced and cumbersome to manage. My favourite
> database is

Hmm, let me guess Peter.versioning engine, open source,  ;-)

> Interbase. For a great number of technical reasons I regard it
> as markedly superior, but like InstantDB and Cloudscape, for the
> purposes of
> promoting JBoss it is insignificant.
>
> Probably the most important database servers from a promotional point of
> view would be DB2/400, Oracle 8i, Sybase and M$ SQL Server.

OK, This is strictly for JBoss itself running on Win2K...
I'll be happy to contribute to the MS SQL Server ECPerf work for MSSQL2K
(maybe MSSQL7 too).
I can't promise for Oracle 8/9 but I'll try if time permits. It's just that
Oracle demands so much time for caring and fussing...

Micheal


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Re: [JBoss-user] ECperf project

[Tom . Daly]

Tom,

Actually I was working on JBoss on Solaris and Linux 7 and got it working on
both platforms well at least I got one user running on both platforms.  I
would be interested to try my build with the cloudescape schema and whatever
JDBC drivers you recommend (I was using Oracle). I take it you didn't have to
change the schema but if you have something to allow me to "easily" populate
the cloudescape DB it would enable me to do a quick test, and maybe send you
something back working and complete.  Alternatively please let me know what
your issues are as I did have a few problems along the way.

I can send you the ant scripts I am working on including in our build env
(thanks to Bill Kayser at alliare)  ..would this help you ?

Thanks
Tom


> 
> Thanks to those of you who have expressed interest in working on ECperf
> for JBoss.
> 
> I've got a working Cloudscape DB build for ECperf that I'll zip up and put 
> on the Web site.
> 
> Oracle and Sybase are much more complex than Cloudscape, so I think 
> Cloudscape is the place to start.
> 
> Has anyone managed to get ECperf working with Linux?  I get some strange
> CLASSPATH errors from the initial 'make', and make.ri chokes trying to
> deploy to port "8000".
> 



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Re: [JBoss-user] ECPerf project

[Dan Christopherson]

On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Peter Routtier-Wone wrote:

> > If the desire is to provide an easy setup for testing, I would suggest
> that you
> > focus on InstantDB or HSQL since these already ship bundled with jBoss.
> Are
> > these databases complete enough to support ECPerf? If not, then Cloudscape
> is a
> > decent choice because of the free developer license.
> 
> Despite intrinsic value from a testing point of view, benchmarks are
> primarily a marketing tool.
> 
> The commercial world, for better or for worse, uses Oracle frequently. A
> great number of eCommerce projects are intended to present data from what
> are, to a J2EE developer, legacy systems. Great numbers of these are based
> around Oracle. Cloudscape and InstantDB are marginal at best from this
> perspective. Benchmarks using them are almost worthless in touting JBoss to
> the business world.

At this point we're just talking about getting ECPerf running. I'd imagine
that any results that the JBoss Group would publish would be against
Oracle or DB2, or one of the other biggies. (Note use of the word
"imagine" - I am not affiliated in any way with the JBoss Group)


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Re: [JBoss-user] ECperf project

[Dan Christopherson]

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Tom Coleman wrote:

> 
> Thanks to those of you who have expressed interest in working on ECperf
> for JBoss.
> 
> I've got a working Cloudscape DB build for ECperf that I'll zip up and put 
> on the Web site.
> 
> Oracle and Sybase are much more complex than Cloudscape, so I think 
> Cloudscape is the place to start.
> 
> Has anyone managed to get ECperf working with Linux?  I get some strange
> CLASSPATH errors from the initial 'make', and make.ri chokes trying to
> deploy to port "8000".
Should I look at this, or start porting to ant? I've brought a few other
projects from ugly script crap to ant (not that my ant scripts are pretty
or anything).

> 
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Re: [JBoss-user] ECperf project

[Tom Coleman]

> 
> Probably the most important database servers from a promotional point of
> view would be DB2/400, Oracle 8i, Sybase and M$ SQL Server.
> 

 Agreed.  The choice of DB, and it's configuration, will dramatically 
 impact ECperf results.

 Here are the priorities the way I see them:

  1)  Get ECperf running. Somewhere.  period.
  2)  Get it running with JBoss
  3)  Use it internally to monitor impact of modifications to JBoss sources.
  4)  Provide JBoss deployment to allow users to measure JBoss performance.

 According to the ECperf license, we can't "promote" based on the results.
 The best we can do is provide a simple framework to allow users to produce 
 their own benchmark results.  This is what a sophisticated user (our kind
 of user) would want to do anyhow.

 Cloudscape will work fine in steps 1-3.

 Although it is a big issue, we can easily postpone the problems of dealing
 with the big, expensive DB's until later in the project.


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Re: [JBoss-user] ECPerf project

[Peter Routtier-Wone]

> If the desire is to provide an easy setup for testing, I would suggest
that you
> focus on InstantDB or HSQL since these already ship bundled with jBoss.
Are
> these databases complete enough to support ECPerf? If not, then Cloudscape
is a
> decent choice because of the free developer license.

Despite intrinsic value from a testing point of view, benchmarks are
primarily a marketing tool.

The commercial world, for better or for worse, uses Oracle frequently. A
great number of eCommerce projects are intended to present data from what
are, to a J2EE developer, legacy systems. Great numbers of these are based
around Oracle. Cloudscape and InstantDB are marginal at best from this
perspective. Benchmarks using them are almost worthless in touting JBoss to
the business world.

Lest you think me an Oracle bigot, I must point out that I don't really like
Oracle. It's grossly overpriced and cumbersome to manage. My favourite
database is Interbase. For a great number of technical reasons I regard it
as markedly superior, but like InstantDB and Cloudscape, for the purposes of
promoting JBoss it is insignificant.

Probably the most important database servers from a promotional point of
view would be DB2/400, Oracle 8i, Sybase and M$ SQL Server.





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Re: [JBoss-user] ECPerf project

[Edward Yavno]

I'd like to participate in ECPerf effort.
I'm new to both Jboss and EJB, but do have quite a bit of
RMI/Servlets/JSP experience.
I hope I can be of some use.

Thanks,
- Ed Y.

--- Tom Coleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> We're looking for help on the JBoss ECPerf project.
> 
> ECPerf is important because it will allow us to monitor and
> continuously
> improve JBoss/Server performance.
> 
> We have some resources available already, including preliminary
> JBoss 
> deployment descriptors, test database population scripts using
> Cloudscape, 
> and documentation of a successful ECPerf deployment on another J2EE
> server. 
> 
> We plan to get ECPerf running on JBoss using Cloudscape initially. 
> It's 
> simple to use and readily available to everyone, which will allow
> us to
> focus on JBoss deployment issues.  Once Cloudscape is working, we
> can tackle 
> Oracle, Sybase, MS SQL, etc., etc.
> 
> Part of the project will involve replacing Sun's "make" build with
> an Ant
> build.
> 
> We should be able to produce standard JBoss metrics within 30-60
> days.
> 
> The project will be coordinated on the jboss-user list:
> 
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> The project will be a "Work in Progress" project with simultaneous
> activity 
> going on in many directions.  We always learn a lot on these
> projects.
> 
> If you are interested in working on the project, please post a
> short message 
> to the jboss-user list stating your interest.
> 
> One final note:  Sun's documentation states that ECPerf is
> initially targeted
> for Unix systems.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> The JBoss ECPerf Team
> Tom Coleman
> 
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RE: [JBoss-user] ECperf project

[marc fleury]

TomC,

do keep [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the loop, maybe he can be of some help (you never
know)

thanks

marc


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|Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:45 AM
|To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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|
|
|
|Thanks to those of you who have expressed interest in working on ECperf
|for JBoss.
|
|I've got a working Cloudscape DB build for ECperf that I'll zip up and put
|on the Web site.
|
|Oracle and Sybase are much more complex than Cloudscape, so I think
|Cloudscape is the place to start.
|
|Has anyone managed to get ECperf working with Linux?  I get some strange
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Re: [JBoss-user] ECperf project

[Tom Coleman]

Thanks to those of you who have expressed interest in working on ECperf
for JBoss.

I've got a working Cloudscape DB build for ECperf that I'll zip up and put 
on the Web site.

Oracle and Sybase are much more complex than Cloudscape, so I think 
Cloudscape is the place to start.

Has anyone managed to get ECperf working with Linux?  I get some strange
CLASSPATH errors from the initial 'make', and make.ri chokes trying to
deploy to port "8000".


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Re: [JBoss-user] ECPerf project

[Dan Christopherson]

I can help with this as well. Where to start?

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Re: [JBoss-user] ECPerf project

[James Cook]

I would think that tackling Cloudscape would be much more daunting than Oracle,
Sybase, or MSSQL. Simply because the scripts for creating the database already
exist in ECPerf for these databases.

If the desire is to provide an easy setup for testing, I would suggest that you
focus on InstantDB or HSQL since these already ship bundled with jBoss. Are
these databases complete enough to support ECPerf? If not, then Cloudscape is a
decent choice because of the free developer license.

jim


- Original Message -
From: "Tom Coleman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:49 PM
Subject: [JBoss-user] ECPerf project


>
> We're looking for help on the JBoss ECPerf project.
>
> ECPerf is important because it will allow us to monitor and continuously
> improve JBoss/Server performance.
>
> We have some resources available already, including preliminary JBoss
> deployment descriptors, test database population scripts using Cloudscape,
> and documentation of a successful ECPerf deployment on another J2EE server.
>
> We plan to get ECPerf running on JBoss using Cloudscape initially.  It's
> simple to use and readily available to everyone, which will allow us to
> focus on JBoss deployment issues.  Once Cloudscape is working, we can tackle
> Oracle, Sybase, MS SQL, etc., etc.
>
> Part of the project will involve replacing Sun's "make" build with an Ant
> build.
>
> We should be able to produce standard JBoss metrics within 30-60 days.
>
> The project will be coordinated on the jboss-user list:
>
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> The project will be a "Work in Progress" project with simultaneous activity
> going on in many directions.  We always learn a lot on these projects.
>
> If you are interested in working on the project, please post a short message
> to the jboss-user list stating your interest.
>
> One final note:  Sun's documentation states that ECPerf is initially targeted
> for Unix systems.
>
> Thank you,
>
> The JBoss ECPerf Team
> Tom Coleman
>
>
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Re: [JBoss-user] ECPerf project

[Stan Ng]

count me in!  what can i do to help out?


- Original Message -
From: "Tom Coleman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 5:49 PM
Subject: [JBoss-user] ECPerf project


>
> We're looking for help on the JBoss ECPerf project.
>
> ECPerf is important because it will allow us to monitor and continuously
> improve JBoss/Server performance.
>
> We have some resources available already, including preliminary JBoss
> deployment descriptors, test database population scripts using Cloudscape,
> and documentation of a successful ECPerf deployment on another J2EE
server.
>
> We plan to get ECPerf running on JBoss using Cloudscape initially.  It's
> simple to use and readily available to everyone, which will allow us to
> focus on JBoss deployment issues.  Once Cloudscape is working, we can
tackle
> Oracle, Sybase, MS SQL, etc., etc.
>
> Part of the project will involve replacing Sun's "make" build with an Ant
> build.
>
> We should be able to produce standard JBoss metrics within 30-60 days.
>
> The project will be coordinated on the jboss-user list:
>
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> The project will be a "Work in Progress" project with simultaneous
activity
> going on in many directions.  We always learn a lot on these projects.
>
> If you are interested in working on the project, please post a short
message
> to the jboss-user list stating your interest.
>
> One final note:  Sun's documentation states that ECPerf is initially
targeted
> for Unix systems.
>
> Thank you,
>
> The JBoss ECPerf Team
> Tom Coleman
>
>
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[JBoss-user] ECPerf project

[Tom Coleman]

We're looking for help on the JBoss ECPerf project.

ECPerf is important because it will allow us to monitor and continuously
improve JBoss/Server performance.

We have some resources available already, including preliminary JBoss 
deployment descriptors, test database population scripts using Cloudscape, 
and documentation of a successful ECPerf deployment on another J2EE server. 

We plan to get ECPerf running on JBoss using Cloudscape initially.  It's 
simple to use and readily available to everyone, which will allow us to
focus on JBoss deployment issues.  Once Cloudscape is working, we can tackle 
Oracle, Sybase, MS SQL, etc., etc.

Part of the project will involve replacing Sun's "make" build with an Ant
build.

We should be able to produce standard JBoss metrics within 30-60 days.

The project will be coordinated on the jboss-user list:

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The project will be a "Work in Progress" project with simultaneous activity 
going on in many directions.  We always learn a lot on these projects.

If you are interested in working on the project, please post a short message 
to the jboss-user list stating your interest.

One final note:  Sun's documentation states that ECPerf is initially targeted
for Unix systems.

Thank you,

The JBoss ECPerf Team
Tom Coleman


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