AW: [JBoss-user] JBoss.net installation/deployment using xdoclet

2002-06-11 Thread Jung , Dr. Christoph

Hello Thomas,

The wsdl is normally generated by the Axis engine at runtime. 

Try the following url :

http://localhost:8080/axis/services/Hello?wsdl

And the wsdl should pop out. If using .Net, simple use the above address in
the Add-Web Reference dialogue.

(De-)serialization of complex types in jboss.net is done similar to the Axis
engine. You write typemappings inside
a WSDD document which now goe into the META-INF/web-service.xml into your
deployable .wsr file. If you want to interface
A .Net Web service, you generate a client-stub class using wsdl2java and you
put it as an external-web-service/ into your
Wsdd (see the example in the testsuite and the just updated
newsite/jboss-net.jsp which will get active in the next days). 


Best,
CGJ


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Thomas Phan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 07:46
An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Betreff: Re: [JBoss-user] JBoss.net installation/deployment using xdoclet


Hi Frederick,

Thanks. Yes, I got the Hello sample from the 3.1 source tree.

Now, I got the server deployed. Does xdoclet possible to generate the WSDL
file as well. I'm going to write a C# client. Do I need to do, java
org.apache.axis.wsdl.Java2WSDL -o Hello.wsdl
-lhttp://localhost:8080/axis/services/Hello; Hello, manually, so that I can
add a Web Reference in C#?

Just wonder, If my web service contains a complex type that requires a
serializer/deserializer, such as,

 types
  schema xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema;
targetNamespace=http://interfaces.esb;
   complexType name=RegionData
sequence
 element name=regionId nillable=true type=SOAP-ENC:int/
 element name=regionDescription nillable=true type=xsd:string/
 element name=territoriesData nillable=true
type=intf:ArrayOf_tns2_TerritoriesData/
/sequence
   /complexType
   complexType name=TerritoriesData
sequence
 element name=territoryId nillable=true type=xsd:string/
 element name=territoryDescription nillable=true
type=xsd:string/
/sequence
   /complexType
   element name=RegionData nillable=true type=tns2:RegionData/
  /schema
  schema xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema;
targetNamespace=urn:Region
   complexType name=ArrayOf_tns2_TerritoriesData
complexContent
 restriction base=SOAP-ENC:Array
  attribute ref=SOAP-ENC:arrayType
wsdl:arrayType=tns2:TerritoriesData[]/
 /restriction
/complexContent
   /complexType
  /schema
 /types

What should I do in JBoss.net? In Axis (without JBoss), Wsdl2java generates
some new methods, equals, hashCode, getSerializer, and getDeserializer, in
my serializable JavaBean (i.e. the xdoclet generated data bean; created by
the dataobject/ tag)

Thanks

- Original Message -
From: Frederick N. Brier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Thomas Phan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: [JBoss-user] JBoss.net installation/deployment using xdoclet


 My apologies.  These comments are in reference to the 3.1Alpha in CVS.
Not
 the 3.0 Final.  I wasn't aware that this code was in there.  The Hello 
 example is still in a bit of flux, which is why its not called by the 
 parent build file.

 If you don't see the jboss.net MBean using the port 8082 interface, 
 then maybe, unfortunately, the axis-config.xml has an error.  I just 
 fixed it.  If that is not it, perhaps there is another issue.

 I don't know what port 8083 does.

 On the Hello World program, it is demonstration of Macromedia 
 Flash/SOAP integration.  It also uses a XDoclet extension that Dr. 
 Jung wrote and I built into an xdoclet.jar which is in 
 ./jboss-all/jboss.net/tools/lib.  Unfortunately, because there is an 
 XDoclet in ./jboss-all/tools/lib it, as a classpath overrides the
build.xml
 for the Hello sample.  So... if you want to temporarily remove the 
 xdoclet.jar in the master directory.  The sample will then build.  
 Sorry, it is a hack.

 One of the goals of this sample is to show how a single build.xml file 
 can cleanly generate all the interface sources, deployment descriptors 
 and archives for an .ear: HelloSession.java, HelloLocal.java, 
 HelloLocalHome.java, HelloUtil.java, web.xml, jboss-web.xml, 
 web-service.xml, ejb-jar.xml, jboss.xml, application.xml, hello.jar, 
 hello.wsr, hello.war, hello.ear.  I was trying to avoid having a 
 separate XDoclet subtask since I was planning on updating xdoclet.  
 The build does work.  There is no need for stubs, skeletons, or wsdl 
 files.  All of it is generated from one HelloBean.java file.  Just 
 copy the ./jboss.net/samples/Hello/output/lib/hello.ear into the 
 deploy directory and it should work. Just request 
 http://localhost:8080/hello .

 This Hello World program uses a JSP tag and page to embed the SOAP 
 root context into the Flash plugin html elements.  The 
 HelloWorldForm.swf Flash program when you press the say hello button 
 generates a SOAP message to the server, which goes through the 
 servlet/axis engine to the EJB
container
 and back out

Re: AW: [JBoss-user] JBoss.net installation/deployment using xdoclet

2002-06-11 Thread Marius Kotsbak

The only problem is that it does't fill in the soapaction field. Can you
find if this is jboss.net's problem or a bug in axis?

On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 09:46, Jung , Dr. Christoph wrote:
 Hello Thomas,
 
 The wsdl is normally generated by the Axis engine at runtime. 
 
 Try the following url :
 
 http://localhost:8080/axis/services/Hello?wsdl
 
 And the wsdl should pop out. If using .Net, simple use the above address in
 the Add-Web Reference dialogue.
 
 (De-)serialization of complex types in jboss.net is done similar to the Axis
 engine. You write typemappings inside
 a WSDD document which now goe into the META-INF/web-service.xml into your
 deployable .wsr file. If you want to interface
 A .Net Web service, you generate a client-stub class using wsdl2java and you
 put it as an external-web-service/ into your
 Wsdd (see the example in the testsuite and the just updated
 newsite/jboss-net.jsp which will get active in the next days). 
 
 
 Best,
 CGJ
 
 
 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: Thomas Phan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 07:46
 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Betreff: Re: [JBoss-user] JBoss.net installation/deployment using xdoclet
 
 
 Hi Frederick,
 
 Thanks. Yes, I got the Hello sample from the 3.1 source tree.
 
 Now, I got the server deployed. Does xdoclet possible to generate the WSDL
 file as well. I'm going to write a C# client. Do I need to do, java
 org.apache.axis.wsdl.Java2WSDL -o Hello.wsdl
 -lhttp://localhost:8080/axis/services/Hello; Hello, manually, so that I can
 add a Web Reference in C#?
 
 Just wonder, If my web service contains a complex type that requires a
 serializer/deserializer, such as,
 
  types
   schema xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema;
 targetNamespace=http://interfaces.esb;
complexType name=RegionData
 sequence
  element name=regionId nillable=true type=SOAP-ENC:int/
  element name=regionDescription nillable=true type=xsd:string/
  element name=territoriesData nillable=true
 type=intf:ArrayOf_tns2_TerritoriesData/
 /sequence
/complexType
complexType name=TerritoriesData
 sequence
  element name=territoryId nillable=true type=xsd:string/
  element name=territoryDescription nillable=true
 type=xsd:string/
 /sequence
/complexType
element name=RegionData nillable=true type=tns2:RegionData/
   /schema
   schema xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema;
 targetNamespace=urn:Region
complexType name=ArrayOf_tns2_TerritoriesData
 complexContent
  restriction base=SOAP-ENC:Array
   attribute ref=SOAP-ENC:arrayType
 wsdl:arrayType=tns2:TerritoriesData[]/
  /restriction
 /complexContent
/complexType
   /schema
  /types
 
 What should I do in JBoss.net? In Axis (without JBoss), Wsdl2java generates
 some new methods, equals, hashCode, getSerializer, and getDeserializer, in
 my serializable JavaBean (i.e. the xdoclet generated data bean; created by
 the dataobject/ tag)
 
 Thanks
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Frederick N. Brier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Thomas Phan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 6:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [JBoss-user] JBoss.net installation/deployment using xdoclet
 
 
  My apologies.  These comments are in reference to the 3.1Alpha in CVS.
 Not
  the 3.0 Final.  I wasn't aware that this code was in there.  The Hello 
  example is still in a bit of flux, which is why its not called by the 
  parent build file.
 
  If you don't see the jboss.net MBean using the port 8082 interface, 
  then maybe, unfortunately, the axis-config.xml has an error.  I just 
  fixed it.  If that is not it, perhaps there is another issue.
 
  I don't know what port 8083 does.
 
  On the Hello World program, it is demonstration of Macromedia 
  Flash/SOAP integration.  It also uses a XDoclet extension that Dr. 
  Jung wrote and I built into an xdoclet.jar which is in 
  ./jboss-all/jboss.net/tools/lib.  Unfortunately, because there is an 
  XDoclet in ./jboss-all/tools/lib it, as a classpath overrides the
 build.xml
  for the Hello sample.  So... if you want to temporarily remove the 
  xdoclet.jar in the master directory.  The sample will then build.  
  Sorry, it is a hack.
 
  One of the goals of this sample is to show how a single build.xml file 
  can cleanly generate all the interface sources, deployment descriptors 
  and archives for an .ear: HelloSession.java, HelloLocal.java, 
  HelloLocalHome.java, HelloUtil.java, web.xml, jboss-web.xml, 
  web-service.xml, ejb-jar.xml, jboss.xml, application.xml, hello.jar, 
  hello.wsr, hello.war, hello.ear.  I was trying to avoid having a 
  separate XDoclet subtask since I was planning on updating xdoclet.  
  The build does work.  There is no need for stubs, skeletons, or wsdl 
  files.  All of it is generated from one HelloBean.java file.  Just 
  copy the ./jboss.net/samples/Hello/output/lib/hello.ear into the 
  deploy directory and it should work. Just request 
  http://localhost:8080/hello

Re: [JBoss-user] JBoss.net installation/deployment using xdoclet

2002-06-11 Thread Frederick N. Brier

At 01:46 AM 6/11/2002, Thomas Phan wrote:
Now, I got the server deployed. Does xdoclet possible to generate the WSDL
file as well. I'm going to write a C# client. Do I need to do, java

My apologies, but I haven't worked with the java2wsdl feature yet, and so 
don't have an answer, perhaps someone else can pipe up.  I don't know what 
city you are based in, but in Atlanta we have an XML users group 
(http://www.xmlaug.com) with a special Web Services working group that 
meets every other week.  They also have some presentations by Chris Haddad, 
a consultant and president of the group, posted on the web site on the 
subject.  Some of the guys at Bravepoint (http://www.bravepoint.com), a 
consulting company, might be able to help you.  They have described work 
they have done connecting dot net to J2EE.  In addition, you may want to 
have a look at the Java One slides from Mar: 
http://servlet.java.sun.com/javaone/sf2002/conf/sessions/index.en.jsp 
.  Presentation TS-3154 might have some useful pointers at the very 
end.  Hope that helps.

Frederick N. Brier


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Re: [JBoss-user] JBoss.net installation/deployment using xdoclet

2002-06-11 Thread Thomas Phan

Hi Frederick,

Thanks, you already answered a lot of my unknowns. It's nice to know that
you'll work on the java2wsdl feature later :) With xdoclet, implementing a
web service in jboss.net will be as easy as implementing a local method
later. A feature request, I hope that the AXIS (de-)serializer will be
generated into xdoclet's dataobject/ tag

I'm in Hong Kong, so I've missed, and will miss a lot of wonderful meetings.
But I always like to hear about new techonolgy, thanks for the sites

- Original Message -
From: Frederick N. Brier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thomas Phan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [JBoss-user] JBoss.net installation/deployment using xdoclet


 At 01:46 AM 6/11/2002, Thomas Phan wrote:
 Now, I got the server deployed. Does xdoclet possible to generate the
WSDL
 file as well. I'm going to write a C# client. Do I need to do, java

 My apologies, but I haven't worked with the java2wsdl feature yet, and so
 don't have an answer, perhaps someone else can pipe up.  I don't know what
 city you are based in, but in Atlanta we have an XML users group
 (http://www.xmlaug.com) with a special Web Services working group that
 meets every other week.  They also have some presentations by Chris
Haddad,
 a consultant and president of the group, posted on the web site on the
 subject.  Some of the guys at Bravepoint (http://www.bravepoint.com), a
 consulting company, might be able to help you.  They have described work
 they have done connecting dot net to J2EE.  In addition, you may want to
 have a look at the Java One slides from Mar:
 http://servlet.java.sun.com/javaone/sf2002/conf/sessions/index.en.jsp
 .  Presentation TS-3154 might have some useful pointers at the very
 end.  Hope that helps.

 Frederick N. Brier


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[JBoss-user] JBoss.net installation/deployment using xdoclet

2002-06-10 Thread Thomas Phan

Hi,

I installed JBoss 3 final (Jetty), but doesn't find that JBoss.net is
installed in the binary package. Unlike JBoss 3 RC 3, I get error 404 back
from http://localhost:8080/axis/servlet/AxisServlet now. How may I set it to
work? And what does port 8083 do?

I deployed a few web services in Axis/Tomcat successfully. And I looked at
the CVS's jboss-all/jboss.net/samples/Hello example. In this example, a
special xdoclet.jar is used with the tag, @jboss-net:web-service urn=Hello
expose-all=true in the session bean. I followed this example, and made my
web-service.xml, and .wsr file using ANT. But I wonder about the
stub/skeleton class, and the WSDL file? Where should they be stored? In the
.wsr file? Should we create them manually using Axis' tool in advance? Where
may I find more information?

Thanks

Thomas


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Re: [JBoss-user] JBoss.net installation/deployment using xdoclet

2002-06-10 Thread Frederick N. Brier

My apologies.  These comments are in reference to the 3.1Alpha in CVS.  Not 
the 3.0 Final.  I wasn't aware that this code was in there.  The Hello 
example is still in a bit of flux, which is why its not called by the 
parent build file.

If you don't see the jboss.net MBean using the port 8082 interface, then 
maybe, unfortunately, the axis-config.xml has an error.  I just fixed 
it.  If that is not it, perhaps there is another issue.

I don't know what port 8083 does.

On the Hello World program, it is demonstration of Macromedia Flash/SOAP 
integration.  It also uses a XDoclet extension that Dr. Jung wrote and I 
built into an xdoclet.jar which is in 
./jboss-all/jboss.net/tools/lib.  Unfortunately, because there is an 
XDoclet in ./jboss-all/tools/lib it, as a classpath overrides the build.xml 
for the Hello sample.  So... if you want to temporarily remove the 
xdoclet.jar in the master directory.  The sample will then build.  Sorry, 
it is a hack.

One of the goals of this sample is to show how a single build.xml file can 
cleanly generate all the interface sources, deployment descriptors and 
archives for an .ear: HelloSession.java, HelloLocal.java, 
HelloLocalHome.java, HelloUtil.java, web.xml, jboss-web.xml, 
web-service.xml, ejb-jar.xml, jboss.xml, application.xml, hello.jar, 
hello.wsr, hello.war, hello.ear.  I was trying to avoid having a separate 
XDoclet subtask since I was planning on updating xdoclet.  The build does 
work.  There is no need for stubs, skeletons, or wsdl files.  All of it is 
generated from one HelloBean.java file.  Just copy the 
./jboss.net/samples/Hello/output/lib/hello.ear into the deploy directory 
and it should work. Just request http://localhost:8080/hello .

This Hello World program uses a JSP tag and page to embed the SOAP root 
context into the Flash plugin html elements.  The HelloWorldForm.swf Flash 
program when you press the say hello button generates a SOAP message to 
the server, which goes through the servlet/axis engine to the EJB container 
and back out to your browser.

One last note on the example.  The version in CVS only works for IE.  The 
version I am currently working on has Actionscript classes to support the 
SOAP communication.  I will check that in as soon as I can bundle it as a 
Macromedia Flash Extension.

I'm currently looking at upgrading the JBoss build process to use the 
latest version of XDoclet and its new extensible architecture.  That way 
subtasks can just be copied as needed into the lib directory.

Also be aware that in order to run the Flash SOAP service you need to make 
changes in the axis-config.xml (uncomment the FlashNamespaceHandler) and 
install-axis.xml (comment out the normal servlet, uncomment the flash 
servlet) files.  Currently you can only run one Axis engine, but we are 
looking at changing that.

Frederick N. Brier
Multideck Corporation

At 03:06 PM 6/10/2002, you wrote:
Hi,

I installed JBoss 3 final (Jetty), but doesn't find that JBoss.net is
installed in the binary package. Unlike JBoss 3 RC 3, I get error 404 back
from http://localhost:8080/axis/servlet/AxisServlet now. How may I set it to
work? And what does port 8083 do?

I deployed a few web services in Axis/Tomcat successfully. And I looked at
the CVS's jboss-all/jboss.net/samples/Hello example. In this example, a
special xdoclet.jar is used with the tag, @jboss-net:web-service urn=Hello
expose-all=true in the session bean. I followed this example, and made my
web-service.xml, and .wsr file using ANT. But I wonder about the
stub/skeleton class, and the WSDL file? Where should they be stored? In the
.wsr file? Should we create them manually using Axis' tool in advance? Where
may I find more information?

Thanks

Thomas


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Re: [JBoss-user] JBoss.net installation/deployment using xdoclet

2002-06-10 Thread marius

On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 03:06:43AM +0800, Thomas Phan wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I installed JBoss 3 final (Jetty), but doesn't find that JBoss.net is
 installed in the binary package. Unlike JBoss 3 RC 3, I get error 404 back
 from http://localhost:8080/axis/servlet/AxisServlet now. How may I set it to
 work? And what does port 8083 do?
Check that jboss.net-service is deployed under the configuration you are using.

 
 I deployed a few web services in Axis/Tomcat successfully. And I looked at
 the CVS's jboss-all/jboss.net/samples/Hello example. In this example, a
 special xdoclet.jar is used with the tag, @jboss-net:web-service urn=Hello
 expose-all=true in the session bean. I followed this example, and made my
 web-service.xml, and .wsr file using ANT. But I wonder about the
 stub/skeleton class, and the WSDL file? Where should they be stored? In the
 .wsr file? Should we create them manually using Axis' tool in advance? Where
 may I find more information?
 
 Thanks
 
 Thomas
 
 
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Re: [JBoss-user] JBoss.net installation/deployment using xdoclet

2002-06-10 Thread Thomas Phan

Hi Frederick,

Thanks. Yes, I got the Hello sample from the 3.1 source tree.

Now, I got the server deployed. Does xdoclet possible to generate the WSDL
file as well. I'm going to write a C# client. Do I need to do, java
org.apache.axis.wsdl.Java2WSDL -o
Hello.wsdl -lhttp://localhost:8080/axis/services/Hello; Hello, manually, so
that I can add a Web Reference in C#?

Just wonder, If my web service contains a complex type that requires a
serializer/deserializer, such as,

 types
  schema xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema;
targetNamespace=http://interfaces.esb;
   complexType name=RegionData
sequence
 element name=regionId nillable=true type=SOAP-ENC:int/
 element name=regionDescription nillable=true type=xsd:string/
 element name=territoriesData nillable=true
type=intf:ArrayOf_tns2_TerritoriesData/
/sequence
   /complexType
   complexType name=TerritoriesData
sequence
 element name=territoryId nillable=true type=xsd:string/
 element name=territoryDescription nillable=true
type=xsd:string/
/sequence
   /complexType
   element name=RegionData nillable=true type=tns2:RegionData/
  /schema
  schema xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema;
targetNamespace=urn:Region
   complexType name=ArrayOf_tns2_TerritoriesData
complexContent
 restriction base=SOAP-ENC:Array
  attribute ref=SOAP-ENC:arrayType
wsdl:arrayType=tns2:TerritoriesData[]/
 /restriction
/complexContent
   /complexType
  /schema
 /types

What should I do in JBoss.net? In Axis (without JBoss), Wsdl2java generates
some new methods, equals, hashCode, getSerializer, and getDeserializer, in
my serializable JavaBean (i.e. the xdoclet generated data bean; created by
the dataobject/ tag)

Thanks

- Original Message -
From: Frederick N. Brier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Thomas Phan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: [JBoss-user] JBoss.net installation/deployment using xdoclet


 My apologies.  These comments are in reference to the 3.1Alpha in CVS.
Not
 the 3.0 Final.  I wasn't aware that this code was in there.  The Hello
 example is still in a bit of flux, which is why its not called by the
 parent build file.

 If you don't see the jboss.net MBean using the port 8082 interface, then
 maybe, unfortunately, the axis-config.xml has an error.  I just fixed
 it.  If that is not it, perhaps there is another issue.

 I don't know what port 8083 does.

 On the Hello World program, it is demonstration of Macromedia Flash/SOAP
 integration.  It also uses a XDoclet extension that Dr. Jung wrote and I
 built into an xdoclet.jar which is in
 ./jboss-all/jboss.net/tools/lib.  Unfortunately, because there is an
 XDoclet in ./jboss-all/tools/lib it, as a classpath overrides the
build.xml
 for the Hello sample.  So... if you want to temporarily remove the
 xdoclet.jar in the master directory.  The sample will then build.  Sorry,
 it is a hack.

 One of the goals of this sample is to show how a single build.xml file can
 cleanly generate all the interface sources, deployment descriptors and
 archives for an .ear: HelloSession.java, HelloLocal.java,
 HelloLocalHome.java, HelloUtil.java, web.xml, jboss-web.xml,
 web-service.xml, ejb-jar.xml, jboss.xml, application.xml, hello.jar,
 hello.wsr, hello.war, hello.ear.  I was trying to avoid having a separate
 XDoclet subtask since I was planning on updating xdoclet.  The build does
 work.  There is no need for stubs, skeletons, or wsdl files.  All of it is
 generated from one HelloBean.java file.  Just copy the
 ./jboss.net/samples/Hello/output/lib/hello.ear into the deploy directory
 and it should work. Just request http://localhost:8080/hello .

 This Hello World program uses a JSP tag and page to embed the SOAP root
 context into the Flash plugin html elements.  The HelloWorldForm.swf Flash
 program when you press the say hello button generates a SOAP message to
 the server, which goes through the servlet/axis engine to the EJB
container
 and back out to your browser.

 One last note on the example.  The version in CVS only works for IE.  The
 version I am currently working on has Actionscript classes to support the
 SOAP communication.  I will check that in as soon as I can bundle it as a
 Macromedia Flash Extension.

 I'm currently looking at upgrading the JBoss build process to use the
 latest version of XDoclet and its new extensible architecture.  That way
 subtasks can just be copied as needed into the lib directory.

 Also be aware that in order to run the Flash SOAP service you need to make
 changes in the axis-config.xml (uncomment the FlashNamespaceHandler) and
 install-axis.xml (comment out the normal servlet, uncomment the flash
 servlet) files.  Currently you can only run one Axis engine, but we are
 looking at changing that.

 Frederick N. Brier
 Multideck Corporation

 At 03:06 PM 6/10/2002, you wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I installed JBoss 3 final (Jetty), but doesn't find that JBoss.net is
 installed in the binary package. Unlike