[JOYnet] preparation
HOW WELL CAN A JESUS YOUTH PREPARE FOR THE B'DAY OF JESUS ? Rose. Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Prayer request
This is a prayer request for one of the good Lord's servants who has been serving Him for a good part of his life. Those of the Dubai parish will know him well. It is Br. James Joseph, the Parish Council Co-ordinator. He has been a guiding force in every venture in the parish from leading the rosary to organizing high level events. He is a backbone of every movement in the St. Mary's Church. He is now bed-ridden from 2 days because of asthmatic coughing and is very weak, even unable to speak. During the JY Conference this Sunday 5 members of the intercessory group had received messages from the Spirit asking for strong prayers for Br. James. Br. James was of course there for the conference to help out. And it was from that same day that he fell sick. I request all friends in Christ for strong prayers to get Br. James back on his feet again on his mission for Christ. Praise the Lord. Regards in Christ, Samji / Dubai _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] MTP ?????????????
Dear friends, I was reading the mails that came forward and I found a very valid point in Kripa's Mailtried to change people's attitude towards the same... I feel this is a very valid point and a gr8 lead for us to pursue. If we look at the life of Jesus, this was his approach all thru, he changed the belief systems, attitudes, paradigms of people. I feel that's why in just three years he managed to upset the whole world!. In my opinion if we can change the very belief system and attitude of a person, they will themselves be able to make proactive choices without being swayed/compelled by external influences. Im sure Most of us here today follow Jesus out of our own free will isn't it?,. Well, in my case it is so, out of my own free will I choose Jesus. Its not because of anyone's prodding, coaxing or threatening that im here today. Its my decision. In the same way, I feel by just scraping the Act alone, we may succeed in making it illegal, but there the cake is only half baked. What about the attitude and belief system of people? We have not done anything as yet to alter that. In my opinion, Once a persons belief system is changed, we won't have to police the person about right and wrong, they will on their own make responsible choices. Ofcourse we have to spread an awareness. that is an important part of the process, but its not the end. How would it be if we can work on ways and means of how we can change the belief systems and attitudes of people with regard to MTP? What are the different dynamics we can use to empower people to be responsible for every action of theirs? Love and prayers in Jesus, Josun Jose/New Delhi - Original Message - From: kripa joy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 7:33 PM Subject: [JOYnet] MTP ? > Dear friends , > > I am novice to the joynet network and I am totally impressed that such > controversial issues such as abortion are being openly discussed on the > network. > > I think Lina's "anti-abortion: pro-mtp" stand is perfectly reasonable.I see > her point of view that scrapping the mtp act may not be a constructive move > towards stopping abortions .Infact scrapping the law might only make it > more dangerous for all involved in the abortion procedure.Repealing the law > would mean only that the mother's life might also be put in the balance > along with the child's, while with the law in existence, only the child's > life will be endangered. > > I was also wondering if , as christians, our task was to inform and create > an awareness among people, because after all Jesus Christ in the incident > with prostitute did not try to amend or change the jewish law condemning the > prostitute to death by stoning ,but tried to change people's attitude > towards the same by stating that he who has not sinned shall cast the first > stone.The point that i am trying to convey is that, as christians, to change > a particular pratice in society the method to be adopted might be to > convince people rather than to amend the law. Extending the same to the > question of abortion,probably our mission should be to change people's > attitudes towards abortion rather than to repeal the law. Infact the former > might be the more effective way of dealing with the problem > > > Kripa, > 2nd year ,LLB > Bangalore. > > > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. > To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To subscribe to this mailing list, visit > http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet > For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] it is my first mail to you friends!!!!
Hey friends, This is an amazing example of joynet hibernation! Jos Mathew has been part of us for more than an year and see how silent he's been. Whats up Jos, r u joining a cloistered community or what??? Jos Mathew is an amazing person, I have had the privilage of being with him, knowing him, fighting with him and learning from him for 2 years + while he was in Delhi. Friends, This guy is a wonderful chap, very dynamic and a make-it-happener!. Very contagious too. Jos has been very instrumental for the growth of Jy here in Delhi especially among us local youth.. Even today people talk about jos Mathew:). The best part of Jos that I like is his wit. Most of the jokes I use are plagiarized versions of his. One of his favorite is."when u look at some catholics today, it seems they have been baptized in vinegar:)" Jos seeing your 1 year long silence, it seems ure baptized in brake fluid!! C'mon Jos, share some of your 'Jos factor' with all of us. Guys n gals, do mail jos and smoke him out of his hole, see for your selves how contagious he can be!! Love and prayers, Josun Jose/New Delhi - Original Message - From: jose mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 11:43 AM Subject: [JOYnet] it is my first mail to you friends > You my wonderful friends, > well i am jose mathew( for my old friends i am > choppan) well, to be very honest, i am pretty nervous > coz i know this mail will be reaching to all the > continents and more than 650 friends. i am a silent > member of joy net for an year. it is fun and enriching > to watch all these stuff going on. well done friends!i > know some of the faces in joy net personally. i wonder > why i dont send mails to joy net. i know i am not that > bussy type. true , i have time, but still it took > nearly an year to send a mail to this common account. > i promise i will be regular. ok. > let me stop here for the time being. ( better i do it > for i am slow to type!) > Love you all heaps > God Bles you all > lov jose mathew, australia > > > For Stock Quotes, Finance News, Insurance, Tax Planners, Mutual Funds... > Visit http://in.finance.yahoo.com/ > > > This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. > To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To subscribe to this mailing list, visit > http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet > For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] it is my first mail to you friends!!!!
You my wonderful friends, well i am jose mathew( for my old friends i am choppan) well, to be very honest, i am pretty nervous coz i know this mail will be reaching to all the continents and more than 650 friends. i am a silent member of joy net for an year. it is fun and enriching to watch all these stuff going on. well done friends!i know some of the faces in joy net personally. i wonder why i dont send mails to joy net. i know i am not that bussy type. true , i have time, but still it took nearly an year to send a mail to this common account. i promise i will be regular. ok. let me stop here for the time being. ( better i do it for i am slow to type!) Love you all heaps God Bles you all lov jose mathew, australia For Stock Quotes, Finance News, Insurance, Tax Planners, Mutual Funds... Visit http://in.finance.yahoo.com/ This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Dubai friends
Hai Friends, Anybody from Dubai please contact me, i want your help. Love, Mahesh Peter JY, Kuwait _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Yes, about a baby...
Hai Friends..., We are God`s wonderful people,whom He cares and Leads... Who is a jesus youth ,many times I ask to myself ,thinks and discuss Is he is the one who attend a jesusyouth progamme... or he is the one who works with jy prayergroups... and have many leadership qualities may be these can see in a Jesus youth I got an answer .. any youth who gives his heart to Jesus and starts to love Him Yes its the beginning of the birth of a Jesus youthand starts the Proclamation through his life... As Nyttle chechi wrotewe the Jesus Youth started blooming in S`poreYes a baby Jesus youth... She also supporting us through her prayers and presence Many of the joynetters were praying for this Baby`s birthThankz for all...we need your prayer supports more and more please pray for this Baby to grow in good health... Mr.Andrew Mendez... Our Andrew chetta...(a joynetter) is our coordinater ,really a most dedicated,loving, nice ..no I have no words to sayand we have a service team to coordinate our gatherings and prayer meetings... I hope he will be writing to joynett son. Keep in touch, Love from Jesus & Dexon. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Kottayam JOYNET Meet 2001
Yes Jobin, possible.I would really love to meet everyone from Kottayam. I can arrange the place.So if there is anyone in Joynet from Kottayam please mail Jobin or me (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) or ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Please,Please ,Please mail if you can be in Kottayam during X'mas. Would really like a get - together of the Kottayam Joynet members.Jobin ,can we fix a date after we get everyone's replies? Love Milan Changanasserry/Kerala/India [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Dear All > Good Morning and Praise God. > > I couldn't resist myself from offering my comments on this. > Especially after Bijoy wrote in a few chips of how life was > in those ''JYOlist days''. > > True. It was a nice time we all had. > You must understand one thing. This is not a normal group > mailing list. This will be benefitting many of us in the following > ways : > > A source of inspiration at all times. > Keeping in touch with God's Children across the globe. > Support in times of distress and anxiety. > Prayer help / support though the Prayernet. > Back up support personally if you need it, (Prayer Partners). > (Hi, PP are you listening !) > any many more. > > Sometimes the touching stories that come up really ignites > the sense of being the children of Abba father. > > The first thing I do everyday is open the Mailbox and see the JOYnet mails. > I make it a point to see the mails and then start my day. > > Now just listen to this. ... > > I was coerced to go into the JesusYouth (activities) by my little sister > who was doing her medicine at TVM Medicol. I really didn't want to. > > Those of you of 'those (jyolist) days' would remember how miraculously > (Praise God) I travelled next to my sister to the retreat at Kottayam. > She had a confirmed ticket. Mine was a Waitlisted one. > > It was Onam time folks. ! No chances of getting confirmed. > Listen, to my astonished mind and surprise I got a > confirmed > ticket. Ticket in the same compartment as that of my sister and that too > next to her. Brilliant handiwork of God Almighty. He wanted me to have > a good headstart as I proceeded to the retreat. > > After I came back I signed up for this network and went ahead exchanging > my views and sharings. > > We were always wondering how each person looked. > Every time we mailed to the net ( of course only a handful of them were > active in those days) we had a picture of them (others) in our heart. > > Sure it could be wrong. I had a good friend (of course all are good friends > !) > in JPM (Jose Paul Martin) who used to be in touch from Bahrain. Now he is > in > Chennai. We used to exchange ideas and share a lot of things. We do it even > now. > > Now for the first JOYnet meeting (face to face, that is).. > I met our web administrator, web master or web servant what ever you want > to call him. > Now we can call him a husband too ;-) > > He came to my office. Shocked but still regained my lost ground quickly. > I had a different idea of how he looked. Strange. Our ideas didn't match. > I didn't meet Suresh, the Tiger ;-) from Colombo. But I have seen him. Yes > in his Website. > His friend Joby was in Chennai for some time. now he is in Ernaks. > > Same like that.. I went to Bangalore. Some good friends came to meet me. > Varghese, Susan, Mathew, Jose Kurian (ADA, Blore). Jini from Kshema Tech.. > Seeing them was more like fun... Trying to recognise who was who.. > > The new comers into the Net who have just entered can be assured of a > similar > experience. Try it out in your own city. And you will find that it is truly > an experience > you have yearned for. > > Most probably I will be in Kottayam for Christmas. When I come there, > I think Milan can group the people already and we all can have one > Kottayam get together spend some time in prayer... > > Any kottayam-ites pl. send in your mail to my id. We can fix it up. Go > ahead. > Don't feel shy. One step ahead will take you into this world which can be > used to > Glorify our Lord. > > We can select a Parish Church for that. > Milan possible,. > > More in my next mail... > Be in touch. > > Love and prayers. > > Jobin > > Thomsson A.Jobin > Indo National Limited, Chennai > +91 44 827 8612 / 5653 / 2711 > > Bijo Thomas wrote > - > > Dear Friends, > > That was a wonderful recap of what happened in JOYnet in yesteryears. > > > Any volunteers to add more details in this History chart??? > > Most welcome... Pls feel free to add any relvent details with > > this > > While speaking of JOYnet history, we cannot forget an IT couple from > Bangalore. Varghese and Susan, both working in Infosys, Bangalore, India. > Though they are silent for the past couple of months (busy with work and > kid > Sharon, I guess), they have contributed a lot to JOYnet. It was Varghese > who > started posting 'Our Daily Bread' (OD
Re: [JOYnet] Reply to Lina's mail
No Offence taken either ;-)
Jobin
Thomsson A.Jobin
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Original message-
dear rose,
thanks for the heartwarming letter. it was very sweet of you to write...i
am really touched[IMAGE].
about dowry, what can we do about it ? law's solution has been exhausted.
what remains is the people's initiative. what else can be done.[IMAGE]
that's where the jy could make a differenceany takers, guys?
(sorry if i have offended certain masculine sensibilities...of course i
know of quite a few jys who have refused taking dowry...so cool it,
guys!!! no offence meant to our precious jy brothers in Christ! [IMAGE])
lina
II LL.M. student,
The National Law School of India University,
Nagarbhavi,
Bangalore.
>From: rose antony >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [JOYnet] Reply to
Lina's mail >Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 01:26:11 -0800 (PST) > > dear lina,
>it was a sensible mail. > >and the example u had given was apt. "the
Dowry Prohibition Act , through the concerted efforts of all--both
Christians and non Christians, has become a dead letter law" So
here's another point on which we should have a discussion on. > >I wonder
if we can do something about the evilish dowry system in our society.
People has taken it a status symbol now. If there's a marriage where
there's no dowry involved, people are really looking down at it. The
attitude is that if there's no dowry then there's something wrong with
the guy mentally or physically. And the worst thing is that the so called
most literate state - 'Kerala' - stands atop among the rest. > >can we do
something about it ? > >Rose > >Chennai. > > Lina Mathew wrote: dear
sheril, > >yes, i certainly do agree with you as a person who believes in
Christ, >and as a human being, too. however,through my previous letter, i
just >wanted to state how law can look at the issue--the balancing of
interests >factor, and why we who believe so stongly on the issue of
anti- abortion >should not get upset if we see apparent indifference from
the legal >system. > > let's all pray that by our concerted efforts, this
barbaric practice of >abortion and the law permitting it becomes a dead
letter law (the Dowry >Prohibition Act , through the concerted efforts of
all--both Christians >and non Christians, has become a dead letter
lawHence please do >understand that it is not law which can do
anything, but the beliefs and >value systems of the people on which it is
imposed) if we can rise up >to the challenge of convincing others
that abortion is wrong, let's do it >whole - heartedly and with one
voice. however ,especially because we are >Christians, remember that it
is wrong to impose our views on others , >even though we know are right
and they are wronganyway, we can only >say ,'where sin increases,
grace abounds more...' > >we should certainly fight for our rights, but
sometimes when such >fighting is futile, we should be wise enough to
realise this,stop wasting >our time when when we reealise its futility,
and instead direct our >energies towards fighting on a different plane
altogether.('the effectual >prayer of a righteous man has great worth.
elijah was a man lie we are; >he prayed that ift should not rain , and it
did not rain for three years. >then he prayed that it should and it did
rain' ) > > we know that we are the ultimate winners in spiritual
warfare.if the >devil can beguile the minds of the population and confuse
them so that >they exercise their freedom to choose evil which will lead
to their >death, and being the prince of the world, he has power over
those whose >eyes have been blinded to the gospel of Christ and basic
common sense and >human rights or whatever you call it, then of course ,
we have the best >option of attacking the devil on a plane that he has
been defeated long >ago...as Christians, we have failed to realise this
right of ours for a >very long time, hence the devil had been granted a
foothold for >generations to beguile people to exercise their freedom to
practice of >various sins, like abortion, pornography, suicide,
homosexuality, >euthanasia and so onit's just like what happened to
Eve.God put a >tree in the garden and said do not eat its fruit.why did
God put the tree >in there? why did He not guard the tree wit! h whatever
angels with >spinning spears or swords or whatever , so that Eve could
not eat the >fruit ? why did he allow the serpent to speak to Eve? if
He was God , >He could have prevented man from falling...understand the
crux of the >matter--that God did not prevent man from exercising his
freedom to >choose evil. > > law can only try to balance the varous
interests. and this balance >tends to tilt towards where the majority
interests lie. hence the passing >of various human rights con
[JOYnet] RE (JOYNET) Discussion on Prolife
Dear Joynetters, i perfectly agree with brother Kurien's views in principle, and i certainly know that Dr. Shiny and team are doing wonderful work on the issue of pro-life. sending the message that there is still a section of people who strongly believe that it is wrong to legitimise abortion through law is certainly perfectly justifyable , as each human being or group of human beings is endowed with the fundamental right to freedom of speech and expression , which is one of the rights emanating from the foremost right to life. attempts to change law in this regard is hence a perfectly valid deal on the part of the community. i do not dispute the issue in this light. as i debate on this issue, i am only reminded of that little prayer that we jys generally know so well :Gos grant me the SERENITYto accept the things I cannot change,COURAGE to change the things I can,and WISDOM to know the difference.love and prayers, lina All, I think that Shiny and the other Prolifers are doing a great job. I would believe that they have prayed a lot about it for discernment before they set out to do what they are doing. Not all can do things like that. Others must help them with a lot of prayers. Even if they accomplished nothing for others to see, they will have prompted a lot of people to pray for the cause and created a lot of awareness about this scourge in our society. Jesus demands us to be faithful, not successful. He will have accomplished His plans in His own way. We need to be just the instruments. Here in America a lot of people go to pray the Rosary, in front of abortion clinics. One might think it is useless. Just last week my friend told me that he witnessed a girl changing her mind even after going into the clinic. At least one life was spared that day. Another thing is that even a "dead letter" law is a curse o! n a society. Many American people go to Washington D. C. to demonstrate every year to try to make the Congress to change the Abortion Law here. We Indians, who pride about our country being the cradle of spirituality, must be aware of the evil in the Abortion law. As a human person, we are bound to uphold life, which starts at inception of the fetus' existence. Scientist who search for truth will acknowledge the above fact. We, as persons responsible for the election of our leaders, have a collective responsibility before God for upholding truth in the Laws of the land. If we fail in our duty, we as a Nation will be held accountable for the actions of others. End does not justify the means to attain it. Cloning of Humans is an evil that is more deadly than even abortion. These are my opinions and I do not intend to offend any one. Yours in Jesus , Mary and Joseph, Kurian Nellikunnel, New Jersey, USA Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: Dowry issue
U TOOK ME ABSOLUTELY WRONG,Suresh. I never ever said it's only for guys, because i know more girls /girls' parents than guys who insist on giving dowry just to SHOW OFF their financial status. I have some examples in My fathers family - My cousin was getting married and the guy said he doesn't need a 'chilli kaasu', but my aunty insisted on giving the dowryjust to show off ! the result now is that the guy has got a major ego problem with his in-laws. he still feels that he was bought for a ransom amount. I have a dentist friend, he claims that he spent loads and loads to do his BDS & MDS and he insists on taking dowry for the money he had to spent to reach where he is now. I don't wanna say it's only guys...more than the candidates, it's their relatives who pricks them about the need of taking and giving a good money as dowry. Yesterday i got a funny mail from a joynetter saying that if a female teacher is looking for an engineer partner, what is wrong in taking dowry. What i mean to say that the entire system is going in a wrong way. We need to change our attitude. Even though you or myself talk that it's a bad system...we have something some kind of attitude running through our blood , which is almost hereditary and we find it so difficult to change ourselves. Rose. "Suresh Kumat T. Jose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Lina & Rose, Why this advise to Guys only??? first of all this should go to bride's parents. I know many incidents where guy dont want dowry and gilrs parents not ready to accept marriage without giving dowry... This u can't defend since me too experinced this fate any girls ready to say that u are not ready to give dowry and u will accept guys who dont want this dowry? Your bother, Suresh >about dowry, what can we do about it ? law's solution has been exhausted. >what remains is the people's initiative. what else can be done.[IMAGE] > >that's where the jy could make a differenceany takers, guys? > >(sorry if i have offended certain masculine sensibilities...of course i >know of quite a few jys who have refused taking dowry...so cool it, >guys!!! no offence meant to our precious jy brothers in Christ! [IMAGE]) > >lina > II LL.M. student, > The National Law School of India University, >Nagarbhavi, >Bangalore. Colombo, Sri Lanka Visit my web page : www.crash.to/suresh Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] A weird thought.
Hi Actually, I believe that the words are meant for Judas. There are hidden meanings in God's words, but he always made sure that the normal people could grasp the meaning to an extent. As far as Judas go, there is no point in saying that he didn't know the consequences. He was given many chances to repent, but it was necessary that the betrayal should happen. For example, he said in numerous occassions that one of the 12 apostles was satan, during the last supper, he made it sure that it was Judas who would be the one - satan. And when he wanted Judas to go and finish his task, he was giving him the last chance to repent. But that would never have happened. This is actually a very complicated situation to understand. Judas knew what he was doing as he was with him whenever God told them aboout the pains he was about to suffer. Now there rises a question. Why was Judas damned if God wanted him to do that? That is a good question, because if Judas didn't do it, mankind's fate would have been in trouble. But, the most important thing that we should know is that God is not subjected to time. He created the past, He creates the present and the future. All that happens in the future is meant for him alone to know. This is rather complicated. God knows what sins each born and unborn human being would commit, as he is God. But he waits patiently, giving chances everytime to repent because he knows that the time of man's living is very short. So, he knew Judas well. The only one who wants to hurt God deliberately is satan and he is very wise. satan exploited Judas's revolutionary concept and lust for money. We could see here well that as he was an apostle, this applies to all the priests and those in high positions. Unlike others who followed God's words, he wanted 'action' instead of patience and from his story it is made clear that if one cares about the wealth more than God, his fate is already prophesized. This is not just for the priests, but for all of us as every christian is a priest of God. So why would Judas be damned? He was given all the chances. He knew he was betraying his master who was none other than lord God. He knew. So, even though God came as man and stood aloong with him, he turned away from him. Who would do that? This was all supposed to happen because God has given free will to every man. Since he knows the future, he warned Judas through ages through the psalms and the prophets. And the Jewish people of those days knew well the meaning of scriptures. But they demanded 'action' rather than patience. They expected a super man to come and physically destroy the enemies like in a modern action film. So they couldn't accept the idea of salvation that God had in mind. About the section "The Son of Man is to go, just as it is written of Him; but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.'' No, it cannot be satan who betrayed him, as satan didn't betray the son of man alone. He betrayed lord God who is the father, the son and the holy spirit. The son of God came as man and called himself the son of man because he came as a man. These words that Jesus said perfectly applies to Judas as I said earlier, the same things were said through ages to remind about what lies in the future for the Jews, as it is all there in the old testament. Moreover, the catholic teachings specify that the man who is spoken here is Judas. Not only that, Satan is not a human being and he never came as man. How could Jesus address satan as "woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed" since he cannot be a man? There is a reason for this to be to the point (without hidden meanings). The old scriptures point out cleary that a man who would be close to the Messiah would betray him. Judas knew what he was about to do, as God made it so clear. He even heard Jesus say "The Son of Man is to go, just as it is written of Him; but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.'' . He had the chance. He knew the seriousness of what he was doing as God made it perfectly clear for him, but he ignored, because money and power overtook him. In the old testament, God says that he would harden the heart of the Pharaoh, so that he wouldn't let go of the slaves, and so through Moses he would perform many miracles and that he would harden the Pharaoh's heart more. This, God did - hardening the heart of the Pharaoh, but it was to teach the people of old days about the power of God. Through the miracles, they would know that the one they think who is very powerful (the pharaoh) is just an ordinary man and there is only one God, the God of Israel. The pharaohs made themselves Gods and avatars and sons of Gods in those days. So the case is different with the pharaoh and Judas. Also, we have to note the way of addressing about Judas by the disciples of God later. We know that the new testament was writte
[JOYnet] Welcome new members!!!!!!!
Some more of new members for the Day : Jaina Mariam Jacob Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dubai United Arab Emirates She is a part Jesus Youth Movement , MGOCSM James Peter Lingam Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From Calcutta West bengal This young student is involved C.C.C.R.S CALCUTTA & jesus youth in collage . Manoj Ranjan Kunu Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From Bolangir Orissa India Manoj sebastian thaiparambil Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From Koora Kerala India Wilson Joseph a jesusyouth Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hails from Thodupuzha Kerala India Raju Ambookken Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From Thrissur Kerala Meet Jincy his wife & Children: Anand, Meera & Navin Pragnya Shivdas Gulvady Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] says hello from Bon Bon lane Mumbai Maharashtra India Jose Francis Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] is from Trivandrum Kerala Justin Kozhikode J Y Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from Calicut Kerala Jomy John Stephan Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is from Delhi India Anu Jose Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resides at Idukki Kerala Binish Augustine John is a Jesus Youth fultimer in Delhi (IIIrd Batch - Trained in Delhi ) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good Morning to U all at the Joynet Dont forget to write & pray for this Net of Jesus\ Yours Sister In Jesus Welchy f Mumbai Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] "Do You Hear What I Hear?" by Paul H. Dunn
- Forwarded by Bina Mathew/IBS on 12/04/01 09:02 AM - "Do You Hear What I Hear?" (Written by Paul H. Dunn) Once upon a time, there was a man who looked upon Christmas as a lot of humbug. He wasn't a Scrooge. He was a very kind and decent person, generous to his family, upright in all his dealings with other men. But he didn't believe all that stuff about an incarnation which churches proclaim at Christmas. And he was too honest to pretend that he did. "I am truly sorry to distress you," he told his wife, who was a faithful churchgoer, "but I simply cannot understand this claim that God became man. It doesn't make any sense to me." On Christmas Eve, his wife and children went to church for the midnight service. He declined to accompany them. "I'd feel like a hypocrite," he explained. "I'd much rather stay at home. But I'll wait up for you." Shortly after his family drove away in the car, snow began to fall. He went to the window and watched the flurries getting heavier and heavier. "If we must have a Christmas," he reflected, "it's nice to have a white one." He went back to his chair by the fireside and began to read his newspaper. A few minutes later, he was startled by a thudding sound. It was quickly followed by another, then another. He thought that someone must be throwing snow balls at his living room window. When he went to the front door to investigate, he found a flock of birds huddled miserably in the snow. They had been caught in the storm, and in a desperate search for shelter had tried to fly through his window. I can't let those poor creatures lie there and freeze, he thought. But how can I help them? Then he remembered the barn where the children's pony was stabled. It would provide a warm shelter. He quickly put on his coat and galoshes and tramped through the deepening snow to the barn. He opened the doors wide and turned on the light. But the birds didn't come in. Food will bring them in, he thought. So he hurried back to the house for bread crumbs, which he sprinkled on the snow to make a trail into the barn. To his dismay, the birds ignored the bread crumbs and continued to flop around helplessly in the snow. He tried shooing them into the barn by walking around and waving his arms. They scattered in every direction - except into the warm, lighted barn. "They find me a strange and terrifying creature," he said to himself, "and I can't seem to think of any way to let them know they can trust me. If only I could be a bird myself for a few minutes, perhaps I could lead them to safety." Just at that moment, the church bells began to ring. He stood silently for a while, listening to the bells pealing the glad tidings of Christmas. Then he sank to his knees in the snow. "Now I understand," he whispered. "Now I see why you had to do it." "And the angel said to them, 'Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of a great joy which shall be for all the people; for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. And this will be a sign for you: you will find a baby wrapped in cloths, and lying in a manger.' And suddenly there appeared with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, 'Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased.'" (Luke 2:10-14 NASB) "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6 KJV) === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] The Believers Valley of Experiences - 2
Dear Friends, 04 December 2001 What seem to us as bitter trials are often blessings in disguise. Oscar Wilde The Believers Valley of Experiences Psalm 23:5 :: New American Standard Bible (NASB) "You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; You have anointed my head with oil; My cup overflows" How many times have difficult circumstances caused you to wonder why God would allow you to experience pain? Even though the Bible explains that Gods thoughts and ways are higher than ours (Isaiah 55:8-9), we are often tempted to spend time trying to think like God. When we strive to understand Gods motives, we run the risk of becoming mentally sidetracked, losing touch with the One who can lead us out of the valley. Maturity comes when we turn our whys into whats and hows. For example, what is God trying to teach me? How can I use this experience to bring glory to God? Though valley experiences are birthed from unpleasant things, they do not have to end badly. In Psalm 23:5 we learn that David emerged from his personal valley with praise for Gods goodness: You prepare a table for me in the presence of my enemies; You have annointed my head with oil; My cup overflows. If you are currently trapped in a valley of fear, depression, confusion, or grief, realize that God is still in control. He loves you and has a divine purpose for your life. Do not try to rush through the valley; trust Him to lead you through at His perfect pace. When doubts or purposeless thoughts enter your mind, submit them to God in prayer and ask for His guidance and comfort. Copyright © 2000, IN TOUCH Magazine. In Touch Ministries. All Rights Reserved Your's in Jesus, Biji James Bangalore Nokia 5510 looks weird sounds great. Go to http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/nokia/ discover and win it! The competition ends 16 th of December 2001. This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Discussion on prolife !!
Welcome back Giju & Rose!!! Suresh, According to Fr. Suresh, the name is the Sanskrit equivalent of Joseph and I think Kumar is the Hindi version of Kumaran meaning little one, young man, boy etc. So, I think you do not have to worry about adding a jose at the end. All, I think that Shiny and the other Prolifers are doing a great job. I would believe that they have prayed a lot about it for discernment before they set out to do what they are doing. Not all can do things like that. Others must help them with a lot of prayers. Even if they accomplished nothing for others to see, they will have prompted a lot of people to pray for the cause and created a lot of awareness about this scourge in our society. Jesus demands us to be faithful, not successful. He will have accomplished His plans in His own way. We need to be just the instruments. Here in America a lot of people go to pray the Rosary, in front of abortion clinics. One might think it is useless. Just last week my friend told me that he witnessed a girl changing her mind even after going into the clinic. At least one life was spared that day. Another thing is that even a "dead letter" law is a curse on a society. Many American people go to Washington D. C. to demonstrate every year to try to make the Congress to change the Abortion Law here. We Indians, who pride about our country being the cradle of spirituality, must be aware of the evil in the Abortion law. As a human person, we are bound to uphold life, which starts at inception of the fetus' existence. Scientist who search for truth will acknowledge the above fact. We, as persons responsible for the election of our leaders, have a collective responsibility before God for upholding truth in the Laws of the land. If we fail in our duty, we as a Nation will be held accountable for the actions of others. End does not justify the means to attain it. Cloning of Humans is an evil that is more deadly than even abortion. These are my opinions and I do not intend to offend any one. Yours in Jesus , Mary and Joseph, Kurian Nellikunnel, New Jersey, USA This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Birthday Notification !!!
Hi Friends These are the birthday babies of the day (December 04). george devassy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> tojan tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> thomas jerald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pragnya shivdas gulvady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wishing you a very happy birthday God Bless With Love The JOYnet Family This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] A weird thought.
Jesus did not say that it would have been better for Judas to not have been born. Rather Jesus said that "The Son of Man is to go, just as it is written of Him; but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.'' One may assume this is Judas, but it may mean Satan who is the true betrayer. Also, Only God knows to what degree Judas understood about his sin of betrayal. Also, Adam and Eve didn't know the complete consequences of their sin until after they sinned. Whether someone knows or doesn't know about the consequences does not negate from the fact that the sin was committed. the part "good for that man if he had not been born" may be pointing to the consequence of dying in moral sin and betrayal of truth of God = eternal damnation. I would completely agree with Jesus that it would be better that someone not have been born then end up in hell. But that is exactly why Jesus came and died for us on the cross. He has given the path to eternal life. All are welcome. No matter how great the sin, the Mercy of God will win out if only someone will turn to God in trust and faith instead of despair. Beware of despair and not trusting in God's mercy. It lead Judus to hang himself when he could turned to God for forgiveness. Love of Christ the King of Mercy, Lukas Minnesota, USA - Original Message - From: "Alfred Samji" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 2:03 AM Subject: [JOYnet] A weird thought. > Hi. Just sharing a weird thought that came in my mind this morning. > > When Judas betrayed the Lord for 30 silver coins the Lord had said that 'it > would have been better for Judas to not have been born'. > All this Judas did not knowing the consequences. > > Then what about us. We all sin and thus betray the Lord by our sins for even > lesser worth. Wouldn't the same thing applied to Judas apply to every > sinner. > > It is just a weird thought. We all know that His grace is far more than the > weight of our sins. Praise the Lord. > > > Regards in Christ, > > Samji / Dubai > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. > To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To subscribe to this mailing list, visit > http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet > For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] a humble suggestion
Dear Lina, You should not feel like this. nobody is perfect and we all are learning new things daily. our beliefs, convictions etc changes always if we are open minded and ready to learn. Here in Joy net we are around 750 JY friends from all around the world. We can share our views here and by that only we learn. I hope nobody in Joynet is so narrow minded thinking that these view points are from Devil. Your mails are very informative and wonderful. Thank you very much for these information. hope you will continue with us for the further discussion... hope you share more about you in joynet. Tale : Bangalorians catch these advocates, Lina, Kripa. 25 % discount on fees if you support them on this discussion :) With love in Christ, Suresh >of course, it is natural that various members of our fraternity would >have the genuine doubt as to whether my words come from the Lord or from >the devil, as the latter fellow is well- known to be an extremely erudite >person, capable, through rhetoric and logic, of deceiving the populace >in fundamentals like basic respect for human life through the quoting of >the Scriptures( as I have done---"it is written..."). > >so it's upto those who have the Holy Spirit's gifts of discernment of >spirits, wisdom and knowledge, to find out what is the right path to >pursue, and the movement to have the will and His grace, most of all, to >do accordingly. > >Love in Christ, >lina Colombo, Sri Lanka Visit my web page : www.crash.to/suresh This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Discussion on prolife !!
Hi friends, Happy to open Joynet these days. Welcome back Giju & Rose.. why one week delay after marriage We were expecting your mail from last Monday onwards. Anyway Giju & Rose proved that they are not like others. Many of our freinds were missing in action after marriage. Now our Mr. & Mrs. Webmaster is back in Joynet... We are really proud of you. PS: Rose it is shame to ask public fund for honey moon also it is a crime Our discussion on prolife is on a turning Point after Lina's mail on this issue. It is really wonderful mail and she explains various issues regarding this. Also see the mails from Joby Thomas, Sheril, Rose, Kripa etc Just read the interesting points came out in this discussion... Lina Mathew - (Law Post Graduate Student -Bangalore) "our God is a God of justice , 'who gives rain to the just and the unjust', and God has given man, (who is created in His image and likeness and endowed with all rights) every right to enjoy total freedom -- freedom to follow the devil or Him. " Joby Thomas - " Remember when God asked Cane about his brother and he in reply asked God whether he was his brother's caretaker... God replied, "Your brother's blood is crying out from the ground for justice". God will no doubt condemn the unjust be it law or man because HE is indeed a just God. My question is why does law prohibit murder or adultery or other such crimes? Well the individual has the right to choose Good or evil...isn't it? " Lina mathew - " Understand the crux of the matter--that God did not prevent man from exercising his freedom to choose evil." "As Christians, we cannot impose our views on others just because we know that we are right and they are wrong. let's not use the ostrich -which -buries -it's -head -in -the-sand approachmuch hue and cry will ensue as certain sections of society will say that it is better to have legal abortion and save the health of the mother than have illegal abortion and let both woman and fetus die." Joby Thomas - What is the difference between killing a human person who is one day old or one who is just 3 months in the mother's womb. BOTH ARE COLD BLOODED AND BRUTAL MURDER. HENCE, THE OFFENCE IS EQUALLY PUNISHABLE GOING BY THE PRINCIPLES OF JUSTICE and LAW. MTP IS A HIGHLY SOPHISTICATED MEDICAL JARGON FOR A HEINOUS AND BARBAROUS ACT OF PUTTING AN END TO LIFE. AND THIS BY NO MEANS SHOULD BE PERMITTED. ON THE CONTRARY, I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND A STRONG PUNISHMENT TO THIS OFFENCE SO THAT PEOPLE ARE DISCOURAGED FROM COMMITTING IT. The right to freedom should be exercised in the right perspective, in order to promote and preserve life and not to destroy it. Sheril Daniel - ( Masters Student - Rhodes university -South Africa) "Whatever the outcome, and however slim the chances that it would be in "our" favour, we should fight for what we believe is right in God's eyes." Kripa Joy - (LLB Student - Bangalore) "Jesus Christ in the incident with prostitute did not try to amend or change the jewish law condemning the prostitute to death by stoning ,but tried to change people's attitude towards the same by stating that he who has not sinned shall cast the first stone.The point that i am trying to convey is that, as christians, to change a particular pratice in society the method to be adopted might be to convince people rather than to amend the law." Joby Thomas - I am extremely pleased on learning about the efforts to scrap the MTP act. I sincerely hope and pray that the Government would pass laws condemning and making the act a punishable offence. Expecting more comments on these issues... Some of our animators please respond... hope Alexy, Shiny, Sunny etc will comment... Mathew we need somebody to cordinate the discussion.. Any Volunteers ??? With Luv, Suresh Colombo, Sri Lanka Visit my web page : www.crash.to/suresh This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] leadership programme at Arul Malar Illam Coimbatore
Hi all We are conducting a 1 1/2 day leadership programme here at saravanampatti on the 8 and the 9th of December .So I invite all the Youth in and around coimbatore.The contact number are as below Shobith Thomas KG Information Systems off ph:0422 866217 extn 340 res ph:0422 866956.Please mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if any of you have relatives or friends here at coimbatore I will try my best to contact them We heard that there is going to be a Bandh on the 7th of Dec.So then I may have to go for work and many others as well on Sunday as a compensation.Please Do pray that they may call of the Bandh and we all may be able to attend that programme. Please do keep us in you r prayers With Love and prayers Shobith Coimbatore Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re [JOYnet] Prayer request over a promise
Hi All Thanks a lot .The exams were very easy for all of them. Now some more requests.Aly and Sojet who are JY and six others are having continuous practicals for the coming four days.Please do pray for them.also remember Robin and Binu who are having exams now A doctor about whom I had mentioned in my earlier mails had asked all of us to pray since his brother in law is not taking care of his sister and since the doctor himself is a convert had not allowed her from staying with him as she is pregnant Please do pray for these requests Shobith Coimbatore Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] anti-abortion to Delhi
Dear Joynetters, Thank God and at last we are here in Agra. We arrived on 29th November. As we knew the submission (anti-abortion) which was raised by Adv. Thomas Unniadan (MLA) and the reply by the State Health Minister Mr. P. Sankaran, took place on 28th of November. We were silent all these days since we only knew about the vague results from the Net and also from telephone calls. But to the great surprise Sunny Chettan (Mr. Sunny Kattookkaran) has arrived here in Agra just now with a copies of the submission presented by the MLA and the reply of the Health Minister. It was really a goal for all of us in bringing the Govt. to take necessary action against abortion and to set a committee to monitor whether any abortions takes place legally or illegally without the knowledge of the said committee, as this was one of the suggestions which was put forward by us, Halleluiah .. And the MLA who is in the ruling front has assured to put our people (of course we are planning to put JY) into the said committee. The Lord is great, and greatly to be praised since with our joined venture HE made this matter into the notice of the State Govt. of Kerala. We think there is no need to thank the joynetters for the prayers but of course we thank a lot lot lot for the support, for the encouragement and for the eagerness you had shown which bought this project into a success. As a media coverage this news has come in some of the leading news papers like The Mathrubumi, The Hindu, The Mangalam, The Madyamam etc..etc and in Doordarsan, Asianet, Kairaly and Surya. Here The Malayala Manorama daily, Surya TV and Kairaly TV has promised to bring a feature in the coming days. So keep in prayers so shall these promised features will come true so that it may convince the human hearts. As we know we achieved only a small percentage in this warfare against quashing the MTP Act 1971 and our aim is to eradicate it cent percent. Let us continue our warfare together with the help of Almighty. And now the Lord has opened the doors to Delhi, the capital city of India Halleluiah through Rev. Fr. George Panakal VC. By tomorrow we are moving to Delhi and again we ask for ur full prayer support continuously as we are aiming to meet Mr. Cyril John, NST Chairman, with his help Mr. P.C. Thomas M.P., cabinet minister Mrs. Menaka Gandhi and if possible our Honorable President Sri. K.R. Narayan to discuss about this matter. We remind u that we are taking our 3 kids along with us to Delhi, so pls keep in ur prayers for our siblings. With regards Alexy & Shiney Agra, U.P, India _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] The best crib for Child Jesus on Christmas
Hi All Just a small thought for all of you on Christmas.Last saturday the priest gave me this small little advice which I would like to share with all of u. We are all longing eagerly to have christ born in our hearts.So we have now 25 days or to be from today 22 days.We have to prepare a crib for him in our hearts to get him there. We have to try get some good pieces of stone or attractive pieces so that the may be willing to come to the best one and sleep there. Now what are these stones or the so called attractive pieces. They may be a helping hand, a prayer for someone else, a good word,hard work, do something we find difficult, forgiving others, loving others, giving a radiant smile to someone in need, accepting others (eg the article [JOYnet] You are precious by Berley Earnest), to keep something off that we greatly desire (asha adakkam), a small witness for christ. As I was writing this a I made my crib attractive.My Project Leader just now asked me what was my email Id ? I told him [EMAIL PROTECTED] He asked me what does JY stand for and I told him that it stands for Jesus Youth.He asked me whether I am close to christ and I whether everything happens with the knowledge of Christ.I who usually avoids this kind of questions had the power from above to tell him a big Yes. Praise to god Yesterday I was able also by the "grace of God the powerful work of the Holy Spirit and the intercession of Mother Mary" to get a friend of mine a confession before mass. We have mass at 7.00 Am and I had reached at 6.55 and found that he was leaving.He told me he wanted to make confession (since the priest to whom he makes his confessions was the one who was to celebrate the mass was about get ready and as it was now 7:05 Am asked him to wait )and I told him that if he had not committed any grave sins he may recieve Christ in the Eucharist.He was having doubt whether the sins he committed were grave or not. I told him to come along with me and as we went to the priest I told the Lord that it was the thirst of a child to recieve you and also implored the Holy Spirit to work in the Priest .I had also asked our Lady to intercede for him.Praise the Lord and a miracle happened .He was able to complete a good confession and receive christ.Now after the mass he told me that it was his birthday and I realized what a miss it would be if he had not recieved Christ. These are all the small small Mercies of our Lord. So let us all ardently work to make this a beautiful christmas with each one of us trying to build the best crib in our hearts. With Love and prayers in the name of Jesus Mary and Joseph Shobith Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] MTP ?????????????
Dear friends , I am novice to the joynet network and I am totally impressed that such controversial issues such as abortion are being openly discussed on the network. I think Lina's "anti-abortion: pro-mtp" stand is perfectly reasonable.I see her point of view that scrapping the mtp act may not be a constructive move towards stopping abortions .Infact scrapping the law might only make it more dangerous for all involved in the abortion procedure.Repealing the law would mean only that the mother's life might also be put in the balance along with the child's, while with the law in existence, only the child's life will be endangered. I was also wondering if , as christians, our task was to inform and create an awareness among people, because after all Jesus Christ in the incident with prostitute did not try to amend or change the jewish law condemning the prostitute to death by stoning ,but tried to change people's attitude towards the same by stating that he who has not sinned shall cast the first stone.The point that i am trying to convey is that, as christians, to change a particular pratice in society the method to be adopted might be to convince people rather than to amend the law. Extending the same to the question of abortion,probably our mission should be to change people's attitudes towards abortion rather than to repeal the law. Infact the former might be the more effective way of dealing with the problem Kripa, 2nd year ,LLB Bangalore. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] Prayer request for CAT
Dear JOYneters, Yep, this is re-eing :) the same request. My elder sister is also appearing for CAT... so plaaaeee pray ( I think I'm more worried than her) I'll definitely make it a point to pray for everybody else facing the same challenge. May Jesus' plans work out in all our lives. Cuckoo Cochin/India >Dear friends, > >I, (along with many other JY, I think) am appearing >for CAT examination for admission to MBA programmes in >Indian Institutes of Management, and other institutes. > >The exam is between 10.AM to 12.30 PM IST on Sunday >9th December 2001. Please pray that all JYs who take >it do well. > >If you are attending Mass at the time of exam, please >dedicate this intention to the Lord. > >Love > >Alphus Pathrose, Kochi, India >Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > >This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. >To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To subscribe to this mailing list, visit >http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet >For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] Reply to Lina's mail
dear rose,
thanks for the heartwarming letter. it was very sweet of you to write...i
am really touched[IMAGE].
about dowry, what can we do about it ? law's solution has been exhausted.
what remains is the people's initiative. what else can be done.[IMAGE]
that's where the jy could make a differenceany takers, guys?
(sorry if i have offended certain masculine sensibilities...of course i
know of quite a few jys who have refused taking dowry...so cool it,
guys!!! no offence meant to our precious jy brothers in Christ! [IMAGE])
lina
II LL.M. student,
The National Law School of India University,
Nagarbhavi,
Bangalore.
>From: rose antony >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [JOYnet] Reply to
Lina's mail >Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 01:26:11 -0800 (PST) > > dear lina,
>it was a sensible mail. > >and the example u had given was apt. "the
Dowry Prohibition Act , through the concerted efforts of all--both
Christians and non Christians, has become a dead letter law" So
here's another point on which we should have a discussion on. > >I wonder
if we can do something about the evilish dowry system in our society.
People has taken it a status symbol now. If there's a marriage where
there's no dowry involved, people are really looking down at it. The
attitude is that if there's no dowry then there's something wrong with
the guy mentally or physically. And the worst thing is that the so called
most literate state - 'Kerala' - stands atop among the rest. > >can we do
something about it ? > >Rose > >Chennai. > > Lina Mathew wrote: dear
sheril, > >yes, i certainly do agree with you as a person who believes in
Christ, >and as a human being, too. however,through my previous letter, i
just >wanted to state how law can look at the issue--the balancing of
interests >factor, and why we who believe so stongly on the issue of
anti- abortion >should not get upset if we see apparent indifference from
the legal >system. > > let's all pray that by our concerted efforts, this
barbaric practice of >abortion and the law permitting it becomes a dead
letter law (the Dowry >Prohibition Act , through the concerted efforts of
all--both Christians >and non Christians, has become a dead letter
lawHence please do >understand that it is not law which can do
anything, but the beliefs and >value systems of the people on which it is
imposed) if we can rise up >to the challenge of convincing others
that abortion is wrong, let's do it >whole - heartedly and with one
voice. however ,especially because we are >Christians, remember that it
is wrong to impose our views on others , >even though we know are right
and they are wronganyway, we can only >say ,'where sin increases,
grace abounds more...' > >we should certainly fight for our rights, but
sometimes when such >fighting is futile, we should be wise enough to
realise this,stop wasting >our time when when we reealise its futility,
and instead direct our >energies towards fighting on a different plane
altogether.('the effectual >prayer of a righteous man has great worth.
elijah was a man lie we are; >he prayed that ift should not rain , and it
did not rain for three years. >then he prayed that it should and it did
rain' ) > > we know that we are the ultimate winners in spiritual
warfare.if the >devil can beguile the minds of the population and confuse
them so that >they exercise their freedom to choose evil which will lead
to their >death, and being the prince of the world, he has power over
those whose >eyes have been blinded to the gospel of Christ and basic
common sense and >human rights or whatever you call it, then of course ,
we have the best >option of attacking the devil on a plane that he has
been defeated long >ago...as Christians, we have failed to realise this
right of ours for a >very long time, hence the devil had been granted a
foothold for >generations to beguile people to exercise their freedom to
practice of >various sins, like abortion, pornography, suicide,
homosexuality, >euthanasia and so onit's just like what happened to
Eve.God put a >tree in the garden and said do not eat its fruit.why did
God put the tree >in there? why did He not guard the tree wit! h whatever
angels with >spinning spears or swords or whatever , so that Eve could
not eat the >fruit ? why did he allow the serpent to speak to Eve? if
He was God , >He could have prevented man from falling...understand the
crux of the >matter--that God did not prevent man from exercising his
freedom to >choose evil. > > law can only try to balance the varous
interests. and this balance >tends to tilt towards where the majority
interests lie. hence the passing >of various human rights conventions to
safeguard the minority interests. >i would humbly bring to your notice
that so far no international >convention has been passed granting rights
to the unborn. The Convention >on the Rights of the Child, 1989, mentions
the word 'abortion' but grants >no rights to the unborn child against
getting aborted.
[JOYnet] a humble suggestion
after reading our dear brother's mail, I express my profuse apologies for perhaps expressing my views in what could be legalese for the layman, hence the apparent difficulty in comprehending my stand. with regard to the issues you have raised in this letter, I hope that a combined reading of my initial letter and the next one addressed to sister Sherill on the Joynet would clarify the doubt as to the position that can be reasonably taken by law (not by man) on the issue of abortion as murder. I have a most humble request to make to our Joynet brethren. maybe, it would be wise that the response on these issues, be it a letter of commendation or criticism on my view, should first be preceded by prayer in the Holy Spirit. after all, only God knows what's right on this issue of the legal stance to be taken. let's not be led astray by human wisdom and undersanding. on the one hand, there is my view that the devil is practising deception by making our JYs waste their precious time and efforts in courts of law and legislative assemblies and such halls of men, ultimately toearn the brand name of religious fundamentalists. on the other hand, the question comes up, whether through the use and interplay of words and reason, I am justifying the heinous crime of murder by abortion and the indifference of law to it. of course, it is natural that various members of our fraternity would have the genuine doubt as to whether my words come from the Lord or from the devil, as the latter fellow is well- known to be an extremely erudite person, capable, through rhetoric and logic, of deceiving the populace in fundamentals like basic respect for human life through the quoting of the Scriptures( as I have done---"it is written..."). so it's upto those who have the Holy Spirit's gifts of discernment of spirits, wisdom and knowledge, to find out what is the right path to pursue, and the movement to have the will and His grace, most of all, to do accordingly. Love in Christ, lina >From: "Joby Thomas" >Reply-To: "Joby Thomas" >To: "Lina Mathew" >Subject: Re: >Date: 1 Dec 2001 19:48:40 - > > > >Dear friends in Christ, > >My name is Joby Thomas and I am an associate working with an american multinational at NOIDA. > >I'd like to voice my opinion to what Lina has written. No doubt she has used the best language and the knowledge acquired thru her studies of human rights and law. I appreciate the writing skills but i'm afraid i beg to differ from the opinion of the writer. > >While it is true that God does give us the freedom to choose between the good and the evil...He is always anticipating that we decide in favour of the former.This is precisely because He is a Just God. He cannot be partial in saving a particular person by overlooking the wrongs that he might have committed. > >Moreover scripture reads quite clearly, if a person leads his brother or sister to sin, it would be better that a milestone his tied around his neck and he be drowned in the sea. Going by this scripture any subject or object(be it a law) that leads persons into sinning should be done away with. > >Remember when God asked Cane about his brother and he in reply asked God whether he was his brother's caretaker...God replied, "Your brother's blood is crying out from the ground for justice". God will no doubt condemn the unjust be it law or man because HE is indeed a just God. > >My question is why does law prohibit murder or adultery or other such crimes? Well the individual has the right to choose Good or evil...isn't it? What is the difference between killing a human person who is one day old or one who is just 3 months in the mother's womb. BOTH ARE COLD BLOODED AND BRUTAL MURDER. HENCE, THE OFFENCE IS EQUALLY PUNISHABLE GOING BY THE PRINCIPLES OF JUSTICE and LAW. MTP IS A HIGHLY SOPHISTICATED MEDICAL JARGON FOR A HEINOUS AND BARBAROUS ACT OF PUTTING AN END TO LIFE. AND THIS BY NO MEANS SHOULD BE PERMITTED.ON THE CONTRARY, I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND A STRONG PUNISHMENT TO THIS OFFENCE SO THAT PEOPLE ARE DISCOURAGED FROM COMMITTING IT. > >The right to freedom should be exercised in the right perspective, in order to promote and preserve life and not to destroy it. > >I am extremely pleased on learning about the efforts to scrap the MTP act. I sincerely hope and pray that the Government would pass laws condemning and making the act a punishable offence. > >regards to one and all..joby > >Scripture says >On Sat, 01 Dec 2001 Lina Mathew wrote : > > i am a law student doing my postgraduation in > > Bangalore. during the past > > few days, i happened to receive mails from other > > friends in jy and also > > saw in the joynet the news on the endeavour to scrap > > the Medical > > Termination of Pregnancy Act in kerala. > > > > please keep in mind that even though i am not a > > Catholic(i'm Orthodox), i > > have full respect towards the Catholic Church as it > > stands today and my > > statements are not made with a view to disparage any > > org
[JOYnet] Fwd: Re:
>From: "Joby Thomas" >Reply-To: "Joby Thomas" >To: "Lina Mathew" >Subject: Re: >Date: 1 Dec 2001 19:48:40 - > > > >Dear friends in Christ, > >My name is Joby Thomas and I am an associate working with an american multinational at NOIDA. > >I'd like to voice my opinion to what Lina has written. No doubt she has used the best language and the knowledge acquired thru her studies of human rights and law. I appreciate the writing skills but i'm afraid i beg to differ from the opinion of the writer. > >While it is true that God does give us the freedom to choose between the good and the evil...He is always anticipating that we decide in favour of the former.This is precisely because He is a Just God. He cannot be partial in saving a particular person by overlooking the wrongs that he might have committed. > >Moreover scripture reads quite clearly, if a person leads his brother or sister to sin, it would be better that a milestone his tied around his neck and he be drowned in the sea. Going by this scripture any subject or object(be it a law) that leads persons into sinning should be done away with. > >Remember when God asked Cane about his brother and he in reply asked God whether he was his brother's caretaker...God replied, "Your brother's blood is crying out from the ground for justice". God will no doubt condemn the unjust be it law or man because HE is indeed a just God. > >My question is why does law prohibit murder or adultery or other such crimes? Well the individual has the right to choose Good or evil...isn't it? What is the difference between killing a human person who is one day old or one who is just 3 months in the mother's womb. BOTH ARE COLD BLOODED AND BRUTAL MURDER. HENCE, THE OFFENCE IS EQUALLY PUNISHABLE GOING BY THE PRINCIPLES OF JUSTICE and LAW. MTP IS A HIGHLY SOPHISTICATED MEDICAL JARGON FOR A HEINOUS AND BARBAROUS ACT OF PUTTING AN END TO LIFE. AND THIS BY NO MEANS SHOULD BE PERMITTED.ON THE CONTRARY, I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND A STRONG PUNISHMENT TO THIS OFFENCE SO THAT PEOPLE ARE DISCOURAGED FROM COMMITTING IT. > >The right to freedom should be exercised in the right perspective, in order to promote and preserve life and not to destroy it. > >I am extremely pleased on learning about the efforts to scrap the MTP act. I sincerely hope and pray that the Government would pass laws condemning and making the act a punishable offence. > >regards to one and all..joby > >Scripture says >On Sat, 01 Dec 2001 Lina Mathew wrote : > > i am a law student doing my postgraduation in > > Bangalore. during the past > > few days, i happened to receive mails from other > > friends in jy and also > > saw in the joynet the news on the endeavour to scrap > > the Medical > > Termination of Pregnancy Act in kerala. > > > > please keep in mind that even though i am not a > > Catholic(i'm Orthodox), i > > have full respect towards the Catholic Church as it > > stands today and my > > statements are not made with a view to disparage any > > organisation , > > institiution or movement and should not be tried to be > > read between the > > lines. this is just an opinion from the legal > > perspective, as a student > > of human rights in the present epoch of time. > > > > it is my view that the point is that the presence of > > such an Act gives > > the freedom to choose to individual, which is a symbol > > of a > > non-restrictive society where the freedom of choice can > > be freely > > excercised. i doubt whether the Act will be scrapped as > > such, as the > > scrapping of such an Act would symbolise going back to > > the Dark Ages > > where the Catholic Church imposed restrictions in all > > walks of personal > > and spititual life .even in muslim countries in the > > present day one > > can find legal systems which mix religion and morals > > with law. > > > > .however, law is different from beliefs. law has to > > take into account a > > variety of beliefs prevalent in society and attempt to > > strike a just > > balance between the conflicting interests, be it the > > ideas of various > > religious groups or atheist groups, or the human rights > > of the fetus or > > the mother . > > > > of course, this does not mean that i, personally, as a > > Christian > > believer, consent to abortion as a matter of > > principle .but , as a > > lawyer, i do not think that law should force people to > > do something which > > is up to their personal freedom to decide. Even God has > > that attitude > > when He says somewhere in the Bible,"i have put before > > you two ways, > > blessing(good) and curse(evil), life and death. choose > > blessing and > > life, if you will" or words to that effect..in > > essence, He says that > > He is not restricting your freedom to choose evil, > > though He would > > definitely prefer you to choose good. the question > > naturally arises as to > > why God has done like this...IF He is God, then why > > not make people > > choose good alone?the answer lies i
[JOYnet] Re: lina
absolutely lina!
i know what youu'retrying to say and i agree. i only
meant that despite how bleak chances maybe, we should
do what we think is right in God's eyes because
uultimately it is all in His hands and we will have to
answer to Him one day about the actions we did and
those we did'nt do. Sometmes thngs may not work out
the way we want them to. But i don't think God
expects us to change the world, i think He just wants
us to do our small part, the rest is not up to us, but
up to Him.
and yes, prayer is the most powerful weapon that we
have against the devil and his kingdom. let's all use
that optimally!
sheril
Grahamstown, South Africa
--- Lina Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> dear sheril,
>
> yes, i certainly do agree with you as a person who
> believes in Christ,
> and as a human being, too. however,through my
> previous letter, i just
> wanted to state how law can look at the issue--the
> balancing of interests
> factor, and why we who believe so stongly on
> the issue of anti- abortion
> should not get upset if we see apparent indifference
> from the legal
> system.
>
> let's all pray that by our concerted efforts, this
> barbaric practice of
> abortion and the law permitting it becomes a dead
> letter law (the Dowry
> Prohibition Act , through the concerted efforts of
> all--both Christians
> and non Christians, has become a dead letter
> lawHence please do
> understand that it is not law which can do
> anything, but the beliefs and
> value systems of the people on which it is
> imposed) if we can rise up
> to the challenge of convincing others that abortion
> is wrong, let's do it
> whole - heartedly and with one voice. however
> ,especially because we are
> Christians, remember that it is wrong to impose our
> views on others ,
> even though we know are right and they are
> wronganyway, we can only
> say ,'where sin increases, grace abounds more...'
>
> we should certainly fight for our rights, but
> sometimes when such
> fighting is futile, we should be wise enough to
> realise this,stop wasting
> our time when when we reealise its futility, and
> instead direct our
> energies towards fighting on a different plane
> altogether.('the effectual
> prayer of a righteous man has great worth. elijah
> was a man lie we are;
> he prayed that ift should not rain , and it did not
> rain for three years.
> then he prayed that it should and it did rain' )
>
> we know that we are the ultimate winners in
> spiritual warfare.if the
> devil can beguile the minds of the population and
> confuse them so that
> they exercise their freedom to choose evil which
> will lead to their
> death, and being the prince of the world, he has
> power over those whose
> eyes have been blinded to the gospel of Christ and
> basic common sense and
> human rights or whatever you call it, then of course
> , we have the best
> option of attacking the devil on a plane that he
> has been defeated long
> ago...as Christians, we have failed to realise this
> right of ours for a
> very long time, hence the devil had been granted a
> foothold for
> generations to beguile people to exercise their
> freedom to practice of
> various sins, like abortion, pornography, suicide,
> homosexuality,
> euthanasia and so onit's just like what happened
> to Eve.God put a
> tree in the garden and said do not eat its fruit.why
> did God put the tree
> in there? why did He not guard the tree wit! h
> whatever angels with
> spinning spears or swords or whatever , so that Eve
> could not eat the
> fruit ? why did he allow the serpent to speak to
> Eve? if He was God ,
> He could have prevented man from
> falling...understand the crux of the
> matter--that God did not prevent man from exercising
> his freedom to
> choose evil.
>
> law can only try to balance the varous interests.
> and this balance
> tends to tilt towards where the majority interests
> lie. hence the passing
> of various human rights conventions to safeguard the
> minority interests.
> i would humbly bring to your notice that so far no
> international
> convention has been passed granting rights to the
> unborn. The Convention
> on the Rights of the Child, 1989, mentions the word
> 'abortion' but grants
> no rights to the unborn child against getting
> aborted. without a
> consensus on this issue in the international level,
> i'm afraid that it
> would be too much to expect anything concerted to
> come out of our
> activities in the legal sphere out here.
>
> it was the fault of previous generations of
> Christians all round the
> world that human beings have been beguiled to pay
> scant respect to
> life,so, now our task of convincing is very
> difficult, given the
> existing social practices and literature on these
> issues which are for
> and not against the the practice of human restraint
> and the voluntary
> curbing of the freedom to choose what is considered
> to be bad according
> to general moral standards of most societie
[JOYnet] JY Confernece 2001 - Dubai
Hello Everyone Yesterday we had a wonderful program at the Jebel-Ali St. Francis Assisi church. For many of us it was the first visit to this church, very good one too. In the main alter above the tabernacle is a painting of St. Francis of Assisi hugging Jesus at the cross. Besides the church, there is another hall, where we had our JY conference 2001, and classrooms on the ground floor. The parish priest Fr. John inaugurated the program. Being the first program in the newly constructed parish hall Fr. John blessed the hall too. We had praise and worship after this. Shibu from Kozhikode gave the first talk. He asked all of us to make a move to become the witnesses of Christ, and not to sit idle with the Good News that is already given to us. He also shared from his own life experiences to make this point clear to all of us, He appealed us to take up the protections as well as the weapons given to us through this knowledge of Jesus i.e. prayer, word of god, faith etc. In the next session Babychayan gave us a talk on the practical aspects in witnessing Jesus to all. Next we moved to the church where Fr. John said the Holy Mass in which we all partook. After lunch we became five groups of which three groups gathered in the class rooms on the ground floor and two in the main hall itself. The discussions were aimed to build a happy and loving fellowship. We started with introducing ourselves and then prayed and started the session. We had an action song (Yesu tharum Anandham J) which got everyone into a joyful mood. In the first part of the group session we discussed in smaller groups of three each about the miracles/wonders that JY did to our lives and then in bigger groups of six each we discussed about the positives of JY and the dreams and avenues that JY should aim at in the future. The heads of each group of six later on reported to the whole group as to what all were discussed in their group. In the second part of the group session we went through the parable of the prodigal son and reflected on it and tried to find out where we stood in this parable. Various situations were listed out and the participants were asked to tick out the situations in which they thought they were. The sheets were collected back and we ended the group session with a short prayer and moved back to the main hall. We had the summing up of the groups by the group session co-ordinator Jacob at the hall. We moved on to the adoration of the holy sacrament. The adoration prayers where led by Fr. Abraham Kadikakuzhy and Br. Jose Kappil assisted him. We kept all the sheets from the group session in front of the holy sacrament thus symbolically surrendering our situations to the Lord. We had an impressive music ministry, Hector, Alphonse, Praveen, Rani etc were part of it. The hall was all shook up when we sang the song Blind man sitting Crippled man sitting Jesus sitting. The conference ended by 4.30. All of us took a pledge through this program to keep the light that is given to us SHINING. Thank you for all the prayer support. Please pray for our next major program, which will be the initial retreat at Abu Dhabi for youth on the 15-17 of this month. Regards and prayers Abraham This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Prayer request for CAT
Dear friends, I, (along with many other JY, I think) am appearing for CAT examination for admission to MBA programmes in Indian Institutes of Management, and other institutes. The exam is between 10.AM to 12.30 PM IST on Sunday 9th December 2001. Please pray that all JYs who take it do well. If you are attending Mass at the time of exam, please dedicate this intention to the Lord. Love Alphus Pathrose, Kochi, India Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] More of New Faces at the Net
We have some more of Holy -Spirit Filled Faces for today Here we go: Sr Hedy Cueva Vitalicio Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From Philippines She is the Member of the Daughters of Mary Mother of the Church Institute (DM) Nygile Veliyath George hails from Angamaly Kerala Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shaji Joseph Balan comes from Irinjalakuda North Kerala Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Roby Kuriakose a Lawyer Jesus Youth from Delhi Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince e j a Jesus Youth from Kerela is also a Lawyer Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rosemary Merline Thomas a Jesus Youth Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] is busy studying at Ribandar Goa Bejoy Cherian is from Changanacherry Kerala Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Seema mathew comes from kottayam Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] She is the prayer coordinator of SME prayer group ,kottayam Smitha Jose Pala a Student Kerala Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kusumam D Pavanal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hails from Maryland United States Meet David her spouse & son John The Pavanal family is involved with Catholic Charismatic Prayer Groups Shimy Stephen a Jesus Youth is from Bangalore Karnataka Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rajeev V Jose a Jesus Youth comes from New Delhi Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alex Joseph a Jesus Youth Trivandrum Kerala Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] JOY THOMAS is part of Jesus youth. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] He comes from Trissur Kerala India LEENA THOMAS a JESUS YOUTH (COUPLES GROUP) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comes from Bangalore Karnataka Her is V.G.THOMAS her loving husband & son JEFFREY WElcome u all at Joynet ..dont hesitate to write .Assuring u of our prayers Yours Sister in Jesus Welchy f Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] PS NOTE
PS DO NOT SENT ME MAILS TO THIS E-MAIL Tks & Rgds GLADWIN LEWIS This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Reply to Lina's mail
dear lina,
it was a sensible mail.
and the example u had given was apt. "the Dowry Prohibition Act , through the
concerted efforts of all--both Christians and non Christians, has become a dead letter
law" So here's another point on which we should have a discussion on.
I wonder if we can do something about the evilish dowry system in our society. People
has taken it a status symbol now. If there's a marriage where there's no dowry
involved, people are really looking down at it. The attitude is that if there's no
dowry then there's something wrong with the guy mentally or physically. And the worst
thing is that the so called most literate state - 'Kerala' - stands atop among the
rest.
can we do something about it ?
Rose
Chennai.
Lina Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: dear sheril,
yes, i certainly do agree with you as a person who believes in Christ,
and as a human being, too. however,through my previous letter, i just
wanted to state how law can look at the issue--the balancing of interests
factor, and why we who believe so stongly on the issue of anti- abortion
should not get upset if we see apparent indifference from the legal
system.
let's all pray that by our concerted efforts, this barbaric practice of
abortion and the law permitting it becomes a dead letter law (the Dowry
Prohibition Act , through the concerted efforts of all--both Christians
and non Christians, has become a dead letter lawHence please do
understand that it is not law which can do anything, but the beliefs and
value systems of the people on which it is imposed) if we can rise up
to the challenge of convincing others that abortion is wrong, let's do it
whole - heartedly and with one voice. however ,especially because we are
Christians, remember that it is wrong to impose our views on others ,
even though we know are right and they are wronganyway, we can only
say ,'where sin increases, grace abounds more...'
we should certainly fight for our rights, but sometimes when such
fighting is futile, we should be wise enough to realise this,stop wasting
our time when when we reealise its futility, and instead direct our
energies towards fighting on a different plane altogether.('the effectual
prayer of a righteous man has great worth. elijah was a man lie we are;
he prayed that ift should not rain , and it did not rain for three years.
then he prayed that it should and it did rain' )
we know that we are the ultimate winners in spiritual warfare.if the
devil can beguile the minds of the population and confuse them so that
they exercise their freedom to choose evil which will lead to their
death, and being the prince of the world, he has power over those whose
eyes have been blinded to the gospel of Christ and basic common sense and
human rights or whatever you call it, then of course , we have the best
option of attacking the devil on a plane that he has been defeated long
ago...as Christians, we have failed to realise this right of ours for a
very long time, hence the devil had been granted a foothold for
generations to beguile people to exercise their freedom to practice of
various sins, like abortion, pornography, suicide, homosexuality,
euthanasia and so onit's just like what happened to Eve.God put a
tree in the garden and said do not eat its fruit.why did God put the tree
in there? why did He not guard the tree wit! h whatever angels with
spinning spears or swords or whatever , so that Eve could not eat the
fruit ? why did he allow the serpent to speak to Eve? if He was God ,
He could have prevented man from falling...understand the crux of the
matter--that God did not prevent man from exercising his freedom to
choose evil.
law can only try to balance the varous interests. and this balance
tends to tilt towards where the majority interests lie. hence the passing
of various human rights conventions to safeguard the minority interests.
i would humbly bring to your notice that so far no international
convention has been passed granting rights to the unborn. The Convention
on the Rights of the Child, 1989, mentions the word 'abortion' but grants
no rights to the unborn child against getting aborted. without a
consensus on this issue in the international level, i'm afraid that it
would be too much to expect anything concerted to come out of our
activities in the legal sphere out here.
it was the fault of previous generations of Christians all round the
world that human beings have been beguiled to pay scant respect to
life,so, now our task of convincing is very difficult, given the
existing social practices and literature on these issues which are for
and not against the the practice of human restraint and the voluntary
curbing of the freedom to choose what is considered to be bad according
to general moral standards of most societies and religions.as mentioned,
we have dissent with regard to the practice of abortion even within our
Christian communities itself. so, speaking on such i
[JOYnet] we're back....back as ONE !!
Dear friends, Yeah .we are back back as ONE.( Giju & Myself ) All credits to Suresh for that question and congrats to Lovely for making that wild guess. You guys make us feel so special! Suresh were still waiting .how are u gonna send it ? Im talking about the tickets if uve forgotten ! In fact weve taken the leave in advance!! And Welchy, thanks a lot for the snap! Friends,Thanx a million for all your prayers and love. Everything went on well. The Eucharistic celebration was just wonderful. We werent tensed for even a second. It was a joyful moment. There were 4 wedding happening at the same time in the church and we initially thought it would be a big confusion. In spite of the massive crowd and the hot temperature everything went on so well by the grace of our dear God. After the wedding we got a feedback that we were the only couple smiling throughout. Everyone said we looked so happy and cool. Giju and my little sister were going on passing comments during the thali kettu (tying the knot) and somebody from behind asked me to stand like a shy manavaatty (bride). The offertory was so meaningful and beautiful. At the end, while my parents were leaving , all my relatives were sad that there were no crying session. We never felt a need for it coz all of us were so happy for what the God had done to us. It was not an accident, it was not just a wedding but a mighty plan of our dear God. Nothing happened by chance but everything was pre-planned by HIM. He took time and had prepared us well for the new life. He had chosen both of us to be together and to live in his love according to his will. We realise the beautiful fellowship we are gifted with, we praise God for the love we are sharing, for the good communication we are enjoying. I believe that God has gifted us with a wonderful relationship. We believe that we have a mission - to work for the kingdom of God. And weve started our little family of 3 Our dear God & Both of us. Keep us in your prayers to grow deeper in HIM. Please pray that we could live our lives for HIM and not for us. Im happy that we are able to start everything with a prayer. Saturday we reached Madras and started the new home and today morning we started the cooking. It was really great to cook and eat and do all things together. I believe in every! action we did we always had Jesus joining with us. We were a bit sad to see that many of our friends couldnt make it but I hope that all of their prayers were there with us. Thanks a lot guys. Love in Christ. Rose. Chennai. Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] JY conference
The annual UAE JY conference was held at the St. Francis of Assisi Church in Jebel Ali, yesterday 2nd December 2001. The day was a JOYful one with JY's from all over the UAE. Programmes kicked off by Brs. Shibu and Babychayan followed by Holy Mass, skits and Adoration with Fr. Abraham Kadiyakuzhi (NRC Kulathuvayal) as the celebrant. Also present was Br. Jose Kaappen (also from NRC). It was alos the first ever private gathering in the new church premises that was inaugurated only 2 weeks back on the 15th Nov 2001. Praise the Lord. Regards in Christ, Samji / Dubai _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] A weird thought.
Hi. Just sharing a weird thought that came in my mind this morning. When Judas betrayed the Lord for 30 silver coins the Lord had said that 'it would have been better for Judas to not have been born'. All this Judas did not knowing the consequences. Then what about us. We all sin and thus betray the Lord by our sins for even lesser worth. Wouldn't the same thing applied to Judas apply to every sinner. It is just a weird thought. We all know that His grace is far more than the weight of our sins. Praise the Lord. Regards in Christ, Samji / Dubai _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
