Fwd: [JOYnet] Controversial versus?

2002-11-05 Thread Alfred Samji
These versus are more of a joke, making a mockery of the Jewish or Muslim 
rather than Christian teaching. If this mail was seen by a fundamental Jew 
or Muslim the author would surely have been like as said in the 'verses' 
STONED TO DEATH. There was an issue a couple of years back when a film was 
released picturing Jesus as a homosexual, to which a fundamental Muslim 
group in the UK issued a 'fatwa' to kill the producers of the movie because 
Jesus to the Muslims is a prophet, Prophet Issa, and so they could not 
tolerate the blasphemy. Now with regards to the mockery made or the 
questions asked, the answer was given by Christ Himself when once confronted 
by the Pharisess with regards to the Law of Moses in the following verses;

M't:19:3 to 8: The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying 
unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? And 
he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at 
the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a 
man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain 
shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What 
therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. They say unto 
him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put 
her away? He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts 
suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

The answer to the joker's question is that at the time of the old law it was 
because of the hardness of men's hearts that the Law was made harsh. After 
the New Testament was established by Christ this heart of stone is removed 
and a heart of flesh is instilled in a Christian by the Holy Spirit (Ezek 
36:25 - 27). And thus that Law is made of null effect.

Regards in Christ,
Samji / Dubai



From: Vimal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [JOYnet] Controversial versus?
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:58:23 +0530

Hi every one,

Please read the following text which i got from friend (he too is in 
joynet)
.The text doesnot justify homosexualiy implicitly but then points to some
controversial versus which we find difficult and avoid quiet often. Don't 
we,
quiet often pray open the bible (looking out for quick decisions) get one 
of
these worses gets degected and closed the bible. Here we have some worses
which requires some explanation and understanding, and ofcourse there are
plenty other such as, god orders to annihilate the whole of moabite tribe 
for
their idolatry including the newborn ?. The words are not just limited to
leviticus but through out the old testament. I thnk it's good idea to have
some brain storm in this matter which will enhance our understanding of our
bible. Looking forward to ur views and ideas .

Luv and prayers
Vimal Gracian

Dear :

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that
knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend
the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that
Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of
debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other
specific laws and how to follow them:

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates
a pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my
neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I
smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in
her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is,
how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A
friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not
Canadians. Can you clarify?  Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I
have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading
glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle
room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by
Lev.19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear 

[JOYnet] HOW TRUE...Think about this...

2002-11-05 Thread Jinson J
HOW TRUE
Think about this...
 
Are you aware that if we died tomorrow, the company that we are working
for could easily replace us in a matter of days. But the family we left
behind will feel the loss for the rest of their lives. And come to think
of it, we pour ourselves more into work than to our own family, an
unwise investment indeed, don't you think? And we often treat strangers
and coworkers better than members of our family. 
 
Do you know what the word FAMILY means?
FAMILY = (F)ATHER (A)ND (M)OTHER, (I), (L)OVE, (Y)OU
 
Pass this on to people you care about. I just did.


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Re: [JOYnet] How busy are you??

2002-11-05 Thread dexon john netto
Dear Sanad and all.

During these days I was thinking of the huge amount of time I am spending
in front of computer (internet)What sanad saying is right these
time I was busy always even having no more time to spent with the Lord
which make me backslide and become so cold towards Jesus I need your
special prayers to regain the strength the lord Given me earlier and to
spent more time with HimI want to escape from this internetitis as
Fr thomas says for this addiction

do pray for me..
keep in touch

Love from Jesus  Dexon.



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[JOYnet] Thanks

2002-11-05 Thread Jose Fernandas
Dear Joy netters,

Thanks for ur valuable prayers.

My Training is finished last day. It was very good for me. 

Thanks to Living God Jesus Christ.

With the Love of  Jesus

Jose.

From: dr.jomon To: Subject: Re: [JOYnet] Prayer Request. Date: Sat,
2 Nov 2002 19:47:38 +0530 (India Standard Time)  praying hard for you 
dr.jomon cherian  angamaly ---Original Message---  From: Jose
Fernandas Date: Thursday, October 31, 2002 09:08:26 PM To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [JOYnet] Prayer Request.  Dear Joy
Netters, Saturday i am going to our Head office in Abudhabi for training
for 3days. I don't know what will happen there.I am scare about this
thing. So please pray for me. With love in JesusJose.(Dubai) 

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[JOYnet] RE: THINGS ARE NOT ALWAYS WHAT THEY SEEM

2002-11-05 Thread Thomas George
THINGS ARE NOT ALWAYS WHAT THEY SEEM 

Two travelling angels stopped to spend the night in
the home of a wealthy family. The family was rude and
refused to let the angels stay in the mansion's
guestroom. Instead the angels were given a small space
in the cold basement. As they made their bed on the
hard floor, the older angel saw a hole in the wall and
repaired it. When the younger angel asked why, the
older angel replied, Things aren't always what they
seem.

The next night the pair came to rest at the house of a
very poor, but very hospitable farmer and his wife.
After sharing what little food they had the couple let
the angels sleep in their bed where they could have a
good night's rest. When the sun came up the next
morning the angels found the farmer and his wife in
tears. Their only cow, whose milk had been their sole
income, lay dead in the field. The younger angel was
infuriated and asked the older angel how could you
have let this happen? The first man had everything,
yet you helped him, she accused. The second family had
little but was willing to share everything, and you
let the cow die. 

Things aren't always what they seem, the older angel
replied. When we stayed in the basement of the
mansion, I noticed there was gold stored in that hole
in the wall. Since the owner was so obsessed with
greed and unwilling to share his good fortune, I
sealed the wall so he wouldn’t find it. 

Then last night as we slept in the farmers bed, the
angel of death came for his wife. I gave him the cow
instead. Things aren't always what they seem. 

Sometimes that is exactly what happens when things
don't turn out the way they should. If you have faith,
you just need to trust that every outcome is always to
your advantage. You might not know it until some time
later... 

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[JOYnet] Daily Bread

2002-11-05 Thread Primeson James
Daily Bread



Whenever you stand praying, forgive,

if you have anything against anyone;

so that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses

Mark 11:25



May God Bless You this Day and Forever

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Re: [JOYnet] Birthday Notification !!!

2002-11-05 Thread amal
Dear Friends in Jesus This is to say that this acount of mine is official one 
and ido not have a per sonal pc ,Many a time It become Verry dificult for me to 
open the mails.so please dont send any mails to this address still further inti 
mation.Because I feel guilty not opening the mails es specialy the prayer 
requests. it take too much of time fo me to brows all the mails hope you will 
underdstand may go bless you 


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[JOYnet] A simple JOKE

2002-11-05 Thread shaji balan
This is a joke related to the anecdote.  On The dispute between God
and Satan over sharing the cost of repairs to the wall dividing heaven
and hell.
When God was unable to find any lawyers in heaven,Satan asked him :
Why don't you argue your own case?
 God agreed to do so.This time Satan was in deep trouble: although all
the lawyers were in hell
none of them would agre to take up the brief against God,Satan asked God
to agree to an adjournment of the case till the Adv.Johnson.K.J from
Irinjalakuda arrived on the scene.
 That may take many years, replied God.And he may also refuse to argue
against me..Being a generous God,He suggested Why not send him a
message and ask him if he will be willing to take up your case?.Satan
agreed and sent a messenger to Johnson.K.J.'s chamber.Johnson felt very
flattered. I feel very hourned that God should have taken my name, he
said. But I hope to live many more years.If it is an urgent matter,you
should hire Adv.Raiju Varghese. ! Just as an Satan's messenger was about
to leave, Johson had a second thoughts on turning down the brief. Just a
minute, he said to the messenger. Come to think of it,I will take up
your boss' case. There's not much fun left here as the highest in the
land does not have  the elementry courtesy of answering even one of the
hundreds of questions I put to him.It has become a dog's life.



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[JOYnet] SOS...SOS...SOS...

2002-11-05 Thread Michael Corleone
  Hai everybody ,
  I am in deep trouble . I have got some back papers in my Engg. course ( I 
finished the course ) . Those exams start on 7th November . the toughest papers are on 
7th and 8th and I havent prepared well for them . Now I am feeling very bad , sad , 
disappointed ,angry ( at myself for not studying earlier ) and frightened . Only 2 
days are remaining and I know that it is going to be pretty tough but not impossible . 
Only a miracle can save me ( I am praying for one ) . I am most worried about my 
parents . They would be very , very sad if I dont clear the papers this time , I will 
also loose an year . I cant think about facing them . I cant stress how bad is my 
condition . You may think of this as a juvenile request .
   Friends , could you please pray for me . Please pray that I do well in my exams and 
clear all the arrears .

 I am not a Jesus Youth but has been following Joynet for quite some time .

  Thanks in advance

 Mathew 
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[JOYnet] Birthday Notification !!!

2002-11-05 Thread listadm
Hi Friends

These are the birthday babies of the day (November 06).

DENNY VARGHESE [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wishing you a very happy birthday
God Bless
With Love
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[JOYnet] Look back to 4th nov....

2002-11-05 Thread suma thomas
VATICAN CITY, NOV. 4, 2002 (Zenit.org).- The Vatican went on holiday as John Paul II 
celebrated his name day by meeting with a group of Polish pilgrims and inviting 11 
senior cardinals to a special celebration

In observing the liturgical memorial of St. Charles Borromeo today, Pope Karol 
(Charles, in Polish) telephoned his namesake, Carlo Ciampi, the president of Italy, to 
wish him a happy feast day. Both leaders were born in 1920. 

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[JOYnet] TODAY`S SAINT!!!!!!!!!!!!

2002-11-05 Thread suma thomas
CHURCH  REMEMBERED  ST.ELIZABETHST.ZACHARIA, PARENTS  OF ST.JOHN THE BAPTIST  ON  5TH 
OF NOVEMBER.. 

ELIZABETH:

LIFE: 
   Descendant of Aaron. Wife of Zachary, temple priest. Cousin of Mary. Mother of 
Saint John the Baptist, becoming pregnant very late in life. The Elizabeth that Mary 
visited soon after the Annunciation. Described in the Gospel of Luke as righteous in 
the eyes of God, observing all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord 
blamelessly. 
Patronage 
   expectant mothers, pregnant women

   November 6, 2002 
St. LEONARD  OF  LIMOUSIN
   Abbot  confessor(-c.559) 

   LIFE:
 A  nobleman  at  the  Frankish Court  of Clovis I ,St.Leonard  is said  to  
have been  converted  into  christianity by St.Remigius of Rheims(France).He  became a 
monk,preached Gospel in  Gascony, and  founded  Abbey of Noblac ,which he governed 
until death.
  After his death, churches were dedicated to him in France, England, 
Belgium, Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Germany, Bohemia, Poland and other countries. 
Pilgrims flocked to his tomb, and in one small town in Bavaria there are records of 
4,000 favors granted through Saint Leonard's intercession.
 Patronage 
   against burglaries, against robberies, against robbers, blacksmiths, burglaries, 
captives, childbirth, coal miners, coopers, coppersmiths, greengrocers, grocers, 
horses, imprisoned people, locksmiths, miners, porters, P.O.W.'s prisoners, prisoners 
of war, robberies, robbers
 REFLECTION:
Its  by humility  that  the Lord allows  himself to  be  conquered, so 
that he will do  all  we ask  him.(St.Theresa of Avila)

   
All Saints of Ireland

This day's feast is not only a celebration of the great multitude of Irish and Celtic 
Saints, many of whom were missionaries throughout Europe, but is also a celebration of 
the many contributions of Celtic culture to the world.

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Re: [JOYnet] SOS...Have a cool mind

2002-11-05 Thread Shobith Thomas
dear all in Jesus

what can we all do a help for this guy.shall we all pray a small prayer
Hi Lord, we lift Micheal to you. Lord first and foremost please do see that he gets a 
cool mind that says The Lord is my sheperd I shall not be in want. Lord help him to 
start his studies with you, study with u, help him memorise, write the exam with him, 
help him to pass.
Amen

please mathew I would advise u to have a mind and say many times The Lord is my 
sheperd I shall not be in want and I can do all things through christ who 
strengthens me. Beleive in Jesus and ask him to help u out.

before u start say a short prayer See Lord I cannot do this all alone. Please do send 
ur spirit to help me.start and u will see miracles.
Do not worry about the exams. See that there also u invite Lord to sit by ur side and 
help u out.He will come and dear Mathew u would have Tasted and seen that the Lord is 
good

with love and prayers
shobith
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[JOYnet] Daily Bread

2002-11-05 Thread Primeson James
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Hosana !
   Blessed is the on who comes
 in the name of the Lord !
  Blessed  is the coming kingdom
 of our ancestor David !
Hosana in the highest heaven!
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Mark 11: 9 - 10
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May God Bless You this Day and Forever
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Re: [JOYnet] Query : God or Parents ??

2002-11-05 Thread Sanju Joseph
Lord stressed upon the importance of parents ages ago when he framed the 10
commandments at Mount Sinai. And he gave it as the 4th commandment

Honour your father and your mother so that you will live a long time in the
land that the Lord your God is going to give you.

It is worthy to note that this commandment has superceded (in the order)
over the other commandments like - You must not murder anyone., You must
not steal etc.

God acknowledges and teaches us to honour our parents bcos they have the
power to really bless their children and make them prosperous... But at the
same time he made no mistakes while defining His relationship with mankind.
For the same reason He made his intentions very clear thru the first
commandment -  You must not have any other Gods except me. He went ahead
to say that He is a jealous God and we should not worship any other idols
(man made Gods).

Any relationship that exceeds our love to God naturally becomes an idol in
our life and therefore tends to breach the first commandment. Bcos He is a
jealous God. We can apply this law to any relationship - towards children,
towards wife, towards fiancee, towards money and so on.

And it was this jealousy of God that put Abraham to test when Sara bore a
son for him, Isaac at their old age. Imagine what would have happened if
Abraham had succumbed to the innocent questions of Isaac and decided that
his only child is greater for him than his God. And we see that God kept
quiet till the knife was pulled out to kill Isaac. Once God made sure that
Abraham's relationship with God is greater than even to his only son - He
decided to bless Abraham(like the stars in the sky, sand in the sea shore
etc. etc. etc...)

I had seen some of my friends (who were strong people in prayer) break down
after marriage just bcos the priorities changed.

So it is God first and parents next..
God first and children next..
God first and spouse next..
God first and job next..
God first and money next..
etc. etc.

Else , you are asking for trouble.

Love in Christ
Sanju
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[JOYnet] God in my journey home and back

2002-11-05 Thread Sanju Joseph
I had gone home(Trivandrum) for my Diwali holidays.. I was travelling by bus
both sides. On my journey home, there was a catholic nun in the bus.. I love
catholic priests and nuns for the simple fact that they gave their life to
serve God and His people. But this sister was special. I noticed that she was
a very graceful person and she was praying the rosary right from the moment
she stepped in and settled down in the bus. She was sitting in the
front(single) seat  with a big rosary in her hand. It was really heartening to
note that many young people in the bus also acknowledged her presence. An
youngster offered her to pack her luggage on the top. Another person offered
her the front single seat and he decided to take a rear seat. I also saw
another person offering to stretch the seat out for her if that makes her
comfortable. When the bus stopped for a break I went forward and offered her
my biscuits - she gave a gentle squeeze on my hands and said - Thank you
son. It sure made my trip.. I felt then that this is going to be one of the
safest bus I had ever travelled cos here is a child of God right in front of
the bus praying the rosary..And it was indeed a very safe journey.

My return journey started with a miracle from God. I was supposed to travel in
the last seat in the bus. I made a short prayer before leaving my house asking
Lord to do a miracle by giving me a front seat. I was stunned when the driver
offered me the boarding pass with seat no.9 a good single seat on the left
side(as I was craving for). I asked him to check whether it was the last seat
to avoid any possible embarassments later, but the front seat was confirmed. I
was able to pray a few rosaries from the time I got into the bus. The Lord was
directing me to make some special prayers of protection at times. I would like
to relate one incident - As the bus was nearing Alleppey a person overtook the
bus in a scooter and stopped it right in front of the bus. He brought the
entire NH47 to a stand still. He was abusing the driver and trying to force
open the drivers door. The second driver and the cleaner stepped out and
pacified him . It seems that person was drunk. After sometime the bus again
stopped at another traffic junction and again he stopped his scooter and came
to the driver and he was again showering abuses. It was evident that he was
just showing off his might as being a native of that land - with the drivers
speaking in Tamil . I was angry at his arrogance and my first instinct was to
get out of the bus and give him a decent bash. But then as St. Paul has said -
Our weapons are divine and they are more powerful. So I decided to pray for
him. I made a binding prayer up on this angry young man. And our merciful God
who trapped the wheels of the chariots of the Egyptians in the sea knew where
to strike. He spared the angry young man but he did not spare his scooter..
When the traffic cleared I saw the young man jumping and kicking the scooter
but the scooter was stubbron not to start  :-) :-) The last thing I saw of him
was he pushing his scooter to a side to save himself from the swelling traffic
behind him.  I was literally jumping inside the bus at this sight. After some
distance the bus stopped for taking more passengers and this person could have
easily caused a commotion then .. had his scooter relented. Our God is truly
MIGHTY IN BATTLES...

Love

Sanju Joseph
Blore.


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2002-11-05 Thread tony mathew
 Dear Joynetters,
Thanking you for your prayers which gave marvellous results forthe 
two
simultaneous proggrammes-SWARGEEYAM-in Palakkad zone.Everyone 
who
attended(total of 50)were touched by the one who actually called
them.!!! one person confessed and recieved  communion after 9 
years!!!
Praise the Lord! all of them are eager to come for the combined
one-day follow up programme on Nov 26th Mobilization for 'Parish 
Fest
2002' (expecting 500 participants) from 26th to 29th December is 
also
started.Pray for these programmes and for those who Participated 
in
SWARGEEYAM  and for all JYs in Palakkad.
	One again, thank you for your prayer support. God Bless You
all!
	Love
	Dr. Tony (PKD JY co-ord.)


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