Re: [JOYnet] Suicide : A Query (My comments)
Dear Alfred Samji and Dear JYs Reading Alfred's mail to my query was really inspiring. However I find some of these points relatively new to me. Maybe cause I have never come across any teaching on them. Take for example Alfred quoting 1 Peter 3:18 to 4:6 stated that God preaches to those who are already dead so that they might live in obedience to God in their lives as spirits. In short they are given another chance to be in God's fold. This is really new to me. Also quoting Mt:12:32 There is a reference to a World to Come. Now I do know that some denom like the Jehovahs really quote this part fluently. So what is this Comin World that Jesus Speaks about. Now when I had queried about Suicide in another list, these are some of the replies I got. 1. Suicide is murder and since your dead when you commit the sin you can't ask for forgiveness... 2. Suicide is a question that must be left to God to judge. Medical scientists tell us that the brain lives for perhaps four or five minutes after the body dies; you can do a LOT of praying in that time. However, only God will judge anyone anyway. We can 'settle the question' for ourselves by believing in Jesus, but it is presumptious to attempt to condemn OR excuse anyone else. God alone knows their heart. 3. The question ask about suicide is a very good one. Some time ago I was called to the psyco ward at a local hospital. A young man had attempted to take his own life.I ask him if he had ever given his life to God, and he said he had.I told him that he would have had to take his life back from God's hands in order to destroy it. A few days later his mother came to see me at the church. She thanked me, and She told me that because of what I had said to her son, he would never again attempt suicide. Sometime later he died in an automobile accident. urs in faith Jason Mumbai If you don't want the fruits of sin, stay out of the devil's orchard. - Original Message - From: Alfred Samji [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 6:44 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: Re: [JOYnet] Suicide : A Query (My comments) Hi friends, Just wanted to put up my comments on this subject. We all know that suicide is a sin. Killing whether it be of self or of another person of course is condemned in the 10 commandments. The point now is whether praying for a dead sinner makes any difference to the salvation of that person. In Matt 12:32 Jesus Himself tells of an afterlife where sins will be forgiven. He talks of two worlds where sins will be forgiven i.e. 'in this world' and 'the world to come'. [M't:12:32: And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.] This clearly depicts of another world after the death of a person, where sins can be forgiven i.e 'the world to come'. We also have proof in 1 Peter 3:18 to 4:6 where Peter from 3:18 goes on to 4:6 and tells of how Christ after being killed on the cross visited the 'spirits in prison' i.e the spirits of those who were disobedient in the days of Noah. It is said that Christ went to them and preached the gospel to them so that in their life as spirits they might 'live according to God in the spirit'. [1Pe:3:18: For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:19: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;20: Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 1Pe:4:6: For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.] This again depicts a world where God preaches to those who are already dead so that they might live in obedience to God in their lives as spirits. In short they are given another chance to be in God's fold. We read in Genesis of how big the sins of those people spoken of here were. In the context of the Rich man who came to Jesus we see Jesus first telling of how difficult it is for the rich to enter the kingdom and later goes on to say 'With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.' (M't:19:23 to 26). Our God is a loving God. His likeness is that of love. He is full of mercy and compassion and it is solely because that He loves us that He sacrificed His only Son on the cross to save us, to make us part of His family. Our loving Father will not turn down an appeal for mercy by one of His own children for another. Praise the Lord. Regards in Christ, Samji / Dubai From: Paul M Mathew [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply
Re: [JOYnet] Suicide : A Query
lives for perhaps four or five minutes after the body dies; you can do a LOT of praying in that time. However, only God will judge anyone anyway. We can 'settle the question' for ourselves by believing in Jesus, but it is presumptious to attempt to condemn OR excuse anyone else. God alone knows their heart. 3. The question ask about suicide is a very good one. Some time ago I was called to the psyco ward at a local hospital. A young man had attempted to take his own life.I ask him if he had ever given his life to God, and he said he had.I told him that he would have had to take his life back from God's hands in order to destroy it. A few days later his mother came to see me at the church. She thanked me, and She told me that because of what I had said to her son, he would never again attempt suicide. Sometime later he died in an automobile accident. urs in faith Jason Mumbai If you don't want the fruits of sin, stay out of the devil's orchard. - Original Message - From: Alfred Samji To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 6:44 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: Re: [JOYnet] Suicide : A Query (My comments) Hi friends, Just wanted to put up my comments on this subject. We all know that suicide is a sin. Killing whether it be of self or of another person of course is condemned in the 10 commandments. The point now is whether praying for a dead sinner makes any difference to the salvation of that person. In Matt 12:32 Jesus Himself tells of an afterlife where sins will be forgiven. He talks of two worlds where sins will be forgiven i.e. 'in this world' and 'the world to come'. [M't:12:32: And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.] This clearly depicts of another world after the death of a person, where sins can be forgiven i.e 'the world to come'. We also have proof in 1 Peter 3:18 to 4:6 where Peter from 3:18 goes on to 4:6 and tells of how Christ after being killed on the cross visited the 'spirits in prison' i.e the spirits of those who were disobedient in the days of Noah. It is said that Christ went to them and preached the gospel to them so that in their life as spirits they might 'live according to God in the spirit'. [1Pe:3:18: For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:19: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;20: Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 1Pe:4:6: For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.] This again depicts a world where God preaches to those who are already dead so that they might live in obedience to God in their lives as spirits. In short they are given another chance to be in God's fold. We read in Genesis of how big the sins of those people spoken of here were. In the context of the Rich man who came to Jesus we see Jesus first telling of how difficult it is for the rich to enter the kingdom and later goes on to say 'With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.' (M't:19:23 to 26). Our God is a loving God. His likeness is that of love. He is full of mercy and compassion and it is solely because that He loves us that He sacrificed His only Son on the cross to save us, to make us part of His family. Our loving Father will not turn down an appeal for mercy by one of His own children for another. Praise the Lord. Regards in Christ, Samji / Dubai If you don't want the fruits of sin, stay out of the devil's orchard. - Original Message - From: Jason Herbert To: Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 9:40 PM Subject: [JOYnet] Suicide : A Query Dear JYs We have recently read the 2 Part mails of Father Thomas on whether Sucide is a Sin or not. It was really a wonderful sharing. I had recently been for a Retreat. There the Priest had mentioned that a Person committing Suicide is as good as Handing over ur Soul to the Satan. My Question is : Considering that a person commits Suicide and knowing that his Soul is as good as lost. Is then fruitful then praying for his Soul or would it be waste to do so Please note i am not saying that it is waste to pray for any1. But considering in this case of suicide or like euthanasia whatever the case may be would it be fruitful then to pray for that soul. I would really love ur views on this. urs in faith Jason Mumbai _ Chat with friends online, try
Re: [JOYnet] Suicide : A Query
Dear Friends, The following verse indicates that Our Lord went to the imprisoned spirits who lived before Jesus came to earth, so that, by the word preached to them, they too might have the chance to live. Just think, how could God be impartial, and let only those souls after Christ cameto earth, be saved ? The people who lived before Christ came on earth did not know him or that belief in Christ was salvation itself. So Our good God, who is impartail, went up to the imprisoned spirts after the work of salvation was done, so that they too would have a chance to know the saving grace. And so that during judgement, no one could say that they did not know Christ, and so be judged as per their belief or unbelief. 1 Peter 3:18 to 4:6 ..stated that God preaches to those who are already dead so that they might live in obedience to God in their lives as spirits. In short they are given another chance to be in God's fold! /STRONG. In Christ,seena Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] Suicide : A Query (My comments)
Hi Jason JY's, A very good question I must say. I was just pondering over this question after the death of one of my parishioner last week. Since I was praying for his soul...and I wondered whether my prayers wud really help him??? And as I pondered over this question, a thought came to meour God is an awesome God.He is very loving and forgiving. When we as human beings, we pray for the souls feel that all souls shud be save..how much more will God the Creator must be wanting that all Souls shud be saved. We don't know what happens when a person faces death.I believe that in a fraction of time before the person breathes his last... God, most merciful gives the soul yet another chance to repent...and if the soul in those brief moments does repent ..will he still deserve hell Nothe soul will defintely be saved. And if the soul is in purgatory, then our prayers will help the soul to receive Heavenly glory so I feel that we should believe in the merciful Love of God which can never be comprehended by our human minds and keep praying for people who have died after commmitting suicide. Love Prayers Jennifer. Fernandes Mumbai Jason Herbert wrote: Dear JYs We have recently read the 2 Part mails of Father Thomas on whether Sucide is a Sin or not. It was really a wonderful sharing. I had recently been for a Retreat. There the Priest had mentioned that a Person committing Suicide is as good as Handing over ur Soul to the Satan. My Question is : Considering that a person commits Suicide and knowing that his Soul is as good as lost. Is then fruitful then praying for his Soul or would it be waste to do so Please note i am not saying that it is waste to pray for any1. But considering in this case of suicide or like euthanasia whatever the case may be would it be fruitful then to pray for that soul. I would really love ur views on this. urs in faith Jason Mumbai _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
