[jquery-dev] Re: mousemove events double firing in Safari 4

2009-08-06 Thread stephb...@googlemail.com

 Did you try to use the native JavaScript implementation to observe the
 event? If not, please try it and post the results here; Maybe the
 doubled event firing is a browser bug.

Using the code:

var doc = document.documentElement;
doc.onmousemove = function(e){ console.log(e.pageX+', '+e.pageY); }

Safari 4 still appears to double fire on each mousemove.

I think this is a browser bug!  It's the sort of browser bug that
jQuery specialises in fixing.

The fix I've got so far involves comparing [e.pageX, e.pageY] against
a stored [e.pageX, e.pageY] from the last mousemove before deciding to
do something.  Creates a bit of an annoying overhead on mousemove,
though, particularily annoying for browsers that don't have the bug.

Anyone any ideas about how to feature detect it?

Stephen.
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[jquery-dev] Re: mousemove events double firing in Safari 4

2009-08-06 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
Delay the execution as soon as possible.

var doc = document.documentElement;
doc.onmousemove = (function(i){
return function(e){
if(i !== 0)
clearTimeout(i);
i = setTimeout(function(){
console.log(e.pageX+', '+e.pageY);
i = 0;
}, 1);
};
})(0);

if it is a browser bug, it is probably a double fired event, once for the X
and once for the Y axis.

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stephb...@googlemail.com wrote:


 Anyone any ideas about how to feature detect it?

 Stephen.
 


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[jquery-dev] Re: mousemove events double firing in Safari 4

2009-08-06 Thread stephb...@googlemail.com

I've tested Safari 4.0.2 and FF 3.0.8 using both html5 and xhtml1.0
Strict doctypes.
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[jquery-dev] Re: mousemove events double firing in Safari 4

2009-08-06 Thread stephb...@googlemail.com

 the timer won't fire until 0.029s - that's a 29ms lag!

Or worse, if successive mousemoves occur within 15ms of each other,
the only one to trigger console.log will be the last one...
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[jquery-dev] Re: mousemove events double firing in Safari 4

2009-08-06 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
Exactly so you'll always have the last valid position ... try before you
blame my suggestion. You are not introducing anything visible to human eyes
;-)

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  the timer won't fire until 0.029s - that's a 29ms lag!

 Or worse, if successive mousemoves occur within 15ms of each other,
 the only one to trigger console.log will be the last one...
 


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[jquery-dev] Re: mousemove events double firing in Safari 4

2009-08-06 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
Moreover, application will automatically speedup ( mousemove is greedy for
old browsers and if it activates items, classes, etc etc ).

Example: you move the mouse quickly over an element which change status,
css, colors, etc, but you did not mean it cause you passed away.

My proposal will avoid that computation, faster interaction, otherwise
double computation and more often than each 15 milliseconds.

The only problem I could spot is the stopPropagation over other elements but
I guess if you are using one mousemove manager and for the document, you
won't need the stopPropagation.

Just try



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andrea.giammar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Exactly so you'll always have the last valid position ... try before you
 blame my suggestion. You are not introducing anything visible to human eyes
 ;-)


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[jquery-dev] jquery events binding

2009-08-06 Thread ludovic

Hi all,
I propose to add the following new feature in events binding :

var o = {
   start : new Function(),
   stop : new Function()
}

// Will be the same as
// $(target).bind( 'example.start', o.start );
// $(target).bind( 'example.stop', o.stop );
$(target).bind( 'example', o );

$(target).triggerHandler( 'example.start' ); // Will call start
function

It is very easy to implement, and would simplify interface. After
that, I would be great to normalize all components with the
following :

$(target).myComponent( {
events : {
   start : new Function(),
   stop : new Function()
},
myOtherParam : 'value'
}

As jquery supports namespaced events, it should support it fully.

Best regards,

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[jquery-dev] JavaScript compiler warnings

2009-08-06 Thread joop_eggen

In NetBeans IDE 7 there is a good JavaScript integration. For jQuery
there comes a long list of warnings. Especially one kind bothers me:
function does not always return a value. Is this an oversight due to
missing tools, or is this deliberate?
Though the nightly build is also concerned, I'll give some line
numbers of jquery-1.3.2.js:
375, 1754, 1767, 1957, 2048, 2150, 2250, 2663, 2818, 2931, 3009.
I am quite willing to provide a corrected nightly build or whatever.
For us this issue could mean dropping jQuery altogether, and I am very
fond of jQuery.

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[jquery-dev] Re: JavaScript compiler warnings

2009-08-06 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
it's JavaScript nature where undefined is considered a non-result so you
can consider it as a false, a null case, or a call that did not produce
anything: undefined.

This concept is mainly present in the each method. If the callback
deliberately returns false, the loop stops. jQuery does not want to force
anybody to return something from a function that coul dbe used for whatever
case returning different values.

Scripting guys ;-)

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:44 AM, joop_eggen joop.eg...@googlemail.comwrote:


 In NetBeans IDE 7 there is a good JavaScript integration. For jQuery
 there comes a long list of warnings. Especially one kind bothers me:
 function does not always return a value. Is this an oversight due to
 missing tools, or is this deliberate?
 Though the nightly build is also concerned, I'll give some line
 numbers of jquery-1.3.2.js:
 375, 1754, 1767, 1957, 2048, 2150, 2250, 2663, 2818, 2931, 3009.
 I am quite willing to provide a corrected nightly build or whatever.
 For us this issue could mean dropping jQuery altogether, and I am very
 fond of jQuery.

 


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[jquery-dev] Re: mousemove events double firing in Safari 4

2009-08-06 Thread stephb...@googlemail.com

 try before you blame my suggestion. You are not introducing anything visible 
 to human eyes

 My proposal will avoid that computation, faster interaction, otherwise
 double computation and more often than each 15 milliseconds.

No, no - I do recognise the benefits of this approach for simple
interactions, but right now I need to fix what mousemove should do,
ie. fire every time the mouse moves (only not twice!). I'm doing mouse
tracking stuff that needs it.
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[jquery-dev] Re: mousemove events double firing in Safari 4

2009-08-06 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
at this point consider an in-scope memory solution:

var doc = document.documentElement;
doc.onmousemove = (function(prev){
return function(e){
var current = [e.pageX, e.pageY].join(,);
if(current !== prev){
// your stuff here
};
prev = current;
};
})();

If Safari just fires onmousemove twice with the same value after the second
check for (current !== prev) you can redefine the function itself to speedup
its execution for non problematic browsers.

function myMoveEvent(e){};

var doc = document.documentElement;
doc.onmousemove = (function(i,prev){

// temporary event
return function(e){

// get current position
var current = [e.pageX, e.pageY].join(,);

// compare with last position
if(current !== prev){

// different position, always true first call
myMoveEvent(e);

// if else case has never been reached (0 first call)
if(1 === i)
// redefine the event
doc.onmousemove = myMoveEvent;
// increase the case
++i;
} else
--i; // keep i to zero for bugged browsers

// first two cases or for bugged browsers
// trace last position
prev = current;
};
})(0,);

Being a user interaction related event plus a temporary (hopefully) bug,
with above code you will slightly slow down the event execution just time to
move the mouse in 2 different positions. After that the execution it will be
simple for every browser, not that stressful for Safari 4 which has a fast
JS engine so it will not decrease its performances at all.

Souds good?



On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:56 PM, stephb...@googlemail.com 
stephb...@googlemail.com wrote:


  try before you blame my suggestion. You are not introducing anything
 visible to human eyes

  My proposal will avoid that computation, faster interaction, otherwise
  double computation and more often than each 15 milliseconds.

 No, no - I do recognise the benefits of this approach for simple
 interactions, but right now I need to fix what mousemove should do,
 ie. fire every time the mouse moves (only not twice!). I'm doing mouse
 tracking stuff that needs it.
 


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[jquery-dev] Re: mousemove events double firing in Safari 4

2009-08-06 Thread stephb...@googlemail.com

         // if else case has never been reached (0 first call)
         if(1 === i)
             // redefine the event
             doc.onmousemove = myMoveEvent;

Haha!!  Now we're talking!  On-call feature detection.  Perfect, thank
you very much!

I submitted a bug report to Apple.  I'll check the problem on the next
couple of Safari updates, and if it doesn't get fixed I'll bring it up
again.

Cheers,
Stephen.
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[jquery-dev] Re: jquery events binding

2009-08-06 Thread Daniel Friesen

I thought events were event.namespace you're suggesting the ability to 
bind multiple namespaces to one event? Don't you mean multiple events to 
one namespace?

And what's so bad about just using the normal object notation instead?
$(target).bind({
'example.start': new Function(),
'example.stop': new Function()
});

~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name]

ludovic wrote:
 Hi all,
 I propose to add the following new feature in events binding :

 var o = {
start : new Function(),
stop : new Function()
 }

 // Will be the same as
 // $(target).bind( 'example.start', o.start );
 // $(target).bind( 'example.stop', o.stop );
 $(target).bind( 'example', o );

 $(target).triggerHandler( 'example.start' ); // Will call start
 function

 It is very easy to implement, and would simplify interface. After
 that, I would be great to normalize all components with the
 following :

 $(target).myComponent( {
 events : {
start : new Function(),
stop : new Function()
 },
 myOtherParam : 'value'
 }

 As jquery supports namespaced events, it should support it fully.

 Best regards,

 
   

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[jquery-dev] $('divfoo/div') and application/xml

2009-08-06 Thread Jack Bates

$('divfoo/div') doesn't work when the content type is 'application/
xml'. I guess this is because an XML DOM doesn't support innerHTML()?

One might use the content type 'application/xml', for example to
include inline SVG

Here's an example of $('divfoo/div') not working,
http://www.sfu.ca/~jdbates/tmp/jquery/200908060/a/index.xml

Here's a naive patch to make $('divfoo/div') work even when the
content type is 'application/xml', 
http://www.sfu.ca/~jdbates/tmp/jquery/200908060/patch

And here's the same example, but using a patched jquery-nightly.js and
working, http://www.sfu.ca/~jdbates/tmp/jquery/200908060/b/index.xml

Is a patch like this welcome? May I open a ticket?
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[jquery-dev] Re: Changes to closest (#6507) breaks $(event.target).closest(...) in event handlers

2009-08-06 Thread mike.helgeson

Could someone please update the nightly?
http://code.jquery.com/jquery-nightly.js
It still contains this closest issue (rev. 6507).

On Jul 28, 10:05 am, John Resig jere...@gmail.com wrote:
  Is there any specific reason that context is set to the element for
  $(elem)?
  Could it not be document unless an alternative is given: $(elem, context)

  Index: src/core.js
  ===
  --- src/core.js (revision 6520)
  +++ src/core.js (working copy)
  @@ -53,7 +53,8 @@

                 // Handle $(DOMElement)
                 if ( selector.nodeType ) {
  -                       this.context = this[0] = selector;
  +                       this[0] = selector;
  +                       this.context = context || document;
                         this.length++;
                         return this;
                 }

 I don't think that would work since $(foo, DOMElement) wouldn't have a
 context set. It would require a little more tweaking in order to get to a
 solid state. It's ok though, it's already been backed out.

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[jquery-dev] Re: $('divfoo/div') and application/xml

2009-08-06 Thread John Resig
Yeah, file a bug and attach the patch and I can look in to it.

--John


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 $('divfoo/div') doesn't work when the content type is 'application/
 xml'. I guess this is because an XML DOM doesn't support innerHTML()?

 One might use the content type 'application/xml', for example to
 include inline SVG

 Here's an example of $('divfoo/div') not working,
 http://www.sfu.ca/~jdbates/tmp/jquery/200908060/a/index.xmlhttp://www.sfu.ca/%7Ejdbates/tmp/jquery/200908060/a/index.xml

 Here's a naive patch to make $('divfoo/div') work even when the
 content type is 'application/xml',
 http://www.sfu.ca/~jdbates/tmp/jquery/200908060/patchhttp://www.sfu.ca/%7Ejdbates/tmp/jquery/200908060/patch

 And here's the same example, but using a patched jquery-nightly.js and
 working, 
 http://www.sfu.ca/~jdbates/tmp/jquery/200908060/b/index.xmlhttp://www.sfu.ca/%7Ejdbates/tmp/jquery/200908060/b/index.xml

 Is a patch like this welcome? May I open a ticket?
 


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[jquery-dev] Re: jquery events binding

2009-08-06 Thread Már

 And what's so bad about just using the normal object notation instead?
 $(target).bind({
     'example.start': new Function(),
     'example.stop': new Function()
 });

Is that possible?
I can't find it mentioned in the documentation, and after a *brief*
look at the 1.3.2 source I can't see it there.

Sounds like a neat idea though - at least for a plugin.

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[jquery-dev] Re: jquery events binding

2009-08-06 Thread Brandon Aaron

It is very simple to accomplish as a plugin:

jQuery.fn.multibind = function( events ) {
  var $this = this;
  jQuery.each( events, function( name, fn ) {
$this.bind( name, fn );
  } );
};

--
Brandon Aaron

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Mármar.orlygs...@gmail.com wrote:

 And what's so bad about just using the normal object notation instead?
 $(target).bind({
     'example.start': new Function(),
     'example.stop': new Function()
 });

 Is that possible?
 I can't find it mentioned in the documentation, and after a *brief*
 look at the 1.3.2 source I can't see it there.

 Sounds like a neat idea though - at least for a plugin.

 --
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[jquery-dev] Re: $('divfoo/div') and application/xml

2009-08-06 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
Jack, if it is XML it cannot be dirty and there are no problems to fix with
the string. I bet your wrap[1] and wrap[2] will always be  and , the
last array, and I think it is good, being XML, if the browser raise an error
if passed string is not valid XML.

Accordingly, you do not need anything there except what you already wrote:

div = new DOMParser().parseFromString('div' + elem + '/div',
context.contentType).documentElement;



But this modification produces an XML with two divs, rather than one, so it
is not that simple, it should be just elem, and it should be elsewhere:

var isXML = jQuery.isXML(context), ret = [], scripts = [], div = isXML ?
(new DOMParser().parseFromString(elem, context.contentType).documentElement)
: context.createElement(div);
if(isXML) { do some stuff to retrieve nodes } else { code as is }

I did not test but what I am sure about those wrap cases should never exists
with XML.

Hope this helps.

Regards

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[jquery-dev] Adding in support for 'focus' and 'blur' events using .live and .die

2009-08-06 Thread treshug...@gmail.com

Hey guys,

I know about .livequery, but it didn't work for me. As a result, I
wrote a plugin called bond (uses .bond and .unbond) that implements
event delegation for 'focus' and 'blur' and works with *any* valid
selector. The only downside is that I have to use a plugin to achieve
this functionality. Shouldn't something like this go into the core?

Code: 
http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-dev/browse_thread/thread/3b3731308f23cbb6

Cheers,
Trey
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[jquery-dev] Re: $('divfoo/div') and application/xml

2009-08-06 Thread Jack Bates

Thanks, I filed a bug and attached the patch, http://dev.jquery.com/ticket/5022

On Aug 6, 11:43 am, John Resig jere...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yeah, file a bug and attach the patch and I can look in to it.

 --John

 On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Jack Bates jack.ba...@gmail.com wrote:

  $('divfoo/div') doesn't work when the content type is 'application/
  xml'. I guess this is because an XML DOM doesn't support innerHTML()?

  One might use the content type 'application/xml', for example to
  include inline SVG

  Here's an example of $('divfoo/div') not working,
 http://www.sfu.ca/~jdbates/tmp/jquery/200908060/a/index.xmlhttp://www.sfu.ca/%7Ejdbates/tmp/jquery/200908060/a/index.xml

  Here's a naive patch to make $('divfoo/div') work even when the
  content type is 'application/xml',
 http://www.sfu.ca/~jdbates/tmp/jquery/200908060/patchhttp://www.sfu.ca/%7Ejdbates/tmp/jquery/200908060/patch

  And here's the same example, but using a patched jquery-nightly.js and
  working,http://www.sfu.ca/~jdbates/tmp/jquery/200908060/b/index.xmlhttp://www.sfu.ca/%7Ejdbates/tmp/jquery/200908060/b/index.xml

  Is a patch like this welcome? May I open a ticket?
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