[jquery-dev] Re: IE6 rules the roost and shows no signs of leaving anytime soon.
IE6 is driving you up the wall? Do you guys realise there are huge companies , recycling tens of thousands PC's every year (yes tens of thousands) where the large majority of desktops/laptops is still Windows 2000. Freshly installed.. All connected to the real nightmare freak show in the back room. Where neither PHP, ASP, JSP etc... will run any time soon. -- DBJ On Jun 5, 4:32 am, Daniel Friesen wrote: > But of course there is still the problems with the ability to browse the > web. > > I wish at the least companies would get out of the Upgrade IE or stick > with IE6 mentality. Pick a browser (Firefox, Opera, Safari, or Chrome) > and install it on the computers. You can run any of the browsers and > still keep IE6 on the machine. And there is no need to covert the old > system or test it cause you still have the old browser for that. > > ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name] > > Jules wrote: > > On Jun 5, 3:34 am, Henry wrote: > > >> On Jun 4, 5:23 pm, Gilles wrote: > >> > > >> Not allowing automatic OS updaters can be an IT department's > >> deliberate policy. > > > You could be talking about the company I work for. We are using an > > extensively customised packaged CRM system written in asp that use IE6 > > as the client. From the business point of view, upgrading the system > > gives them nothing new and the cost for converting/testing will be > > very expensive and unnecessary. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "jQuery Development" group. To post to this group, send email to jquery-dev@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to jquery-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-dev?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[jquery-dev] Re: IE6 rules the roost and shows no signs of leaving anytime soon.
But of course there is still the problems with the ability to browse the web. I wish at the least companies would get out of the Upgrade IE or stick with IE6 mentality. Pick a browser (Firefox, Opera, Safari, or Chrome) and install it on the computers. You can run any of the browsers and still keep IE6 on the machine. And there is no need to covert the old system or test it cause you still have the old browser for that. ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name] Jules wrote: > On Jun 5, 3:34 am, Henry wrote: > >> On Jun 4, 5:23 pm, Gilles wrote: >> >> > > >> Not allowing automatic OS updaters can be an IT department's >> deliberate policy. >> > > You could be talking about the company I work for. We are using an > extensively customised packaged CRM system written in asp that use IE6 > as the client. From the business point of view, upgrading the system > gives them nothing new and the cost for converting/testing will be > very expensive and unnecessary. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "jQuery Development" group. To post to this group, send email to jquery-dev@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to jquery-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-dev?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[jquery-dev] Re: IE6 rules the roost and shows no signs of leaving anytime soon.
On Jun 5, 3:34 am, Henry wrote: > On Jun 4, 5:23 pm, Gilles wrote: > > Not allowing automatic OS updaters can be an IT department's > deliberate policy. You could be talking about the company I work for. We are using an extensively customised packaged CRM system written in asp that use IE6 as the client. From the business point of view, upgrading the system gives them nothing new and the cost for converting/testing will be very expensive and unnecessary. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "jQuery Development" group. To post to this group, send email to jquery-dev@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to jquery-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-dev?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[jquery-dev] Re: IE6 rules the roost and shows no signs of leaving anytime soon.
http://saveie6.com/ haha! Every version of IE has suffered from leprosy and it's going to take the web development industry as a whole to stop catering for it in order to make people actually stop using it. Unfortunately $$$ is most everyone's reason for not doing this. On Jun 5, 7:03 am, Ricardo wrote: > Firefox has crossed the 20% line long ago. That graph is probably > skewed towards corporate users. > > These are a bit more > realistic:http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=0http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2009/06/one_year_of_int.htmlhttp://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers > > Hopefully by the end of 2009, IE6 will be below 5% share. > > @Henry: "good" code written for IE6 should run fine on IE7 for the > most part. > > On Jun 3, 12:22 pm, DBJDBJ wrote: > > > Thinking of that very near future where IE.ANY is dumped by everyone? > > Please read this: > > >http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/06/02/134224/Internet-Explorer-6-Wi... > > > And it links to : > > >http://www.statowl.com/web_browser_usage_by_version_trend.php?timefra...[]=ie&limit[]=firefox&limit[]=safari&limit[]=chrome&limit[]=opera&limit[ > > ]=netscape&fltr_os=&fltr_se=&fltr_cn=Corporate > > > Of course on top of that add the HTA and WSH brigades. > > > -- DBJ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "jQuery Development" group. To post to this group, send email to jquery-dev@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to jquery-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-dev?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[jquery-dev] Re: IE6 rules the roost and shows no signs of leaving anytime soon.
Firefox has crossed the 20% line long ago. That graph is probably skewed towards corporate users. These are a bit more realistic: http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=0 http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2009/06/one_year_of_int.html http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers Hopefully by the end of 2009, IE6 will be below 5% share. @Henry: "good" code written for IE6 should run fine on IE7 for the most part. On Jun 3, 12:22 pm, DBJDBJ wrote: > Thinking of that very near future where IE.ANY is dumped by everyone? > Please read this: > > http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/06/02/134224/Internet-Explorer-6-Wi... > > And it links to : > > http://www.statowl.com/web_browser_usage_by_version_trend.php?timefra...[]=ie&limit[]=firefox&limit[]=safari&limit[]=chrome&limit[]=opera&limit[]=netscape&fltr_os=&fltr_se=&fltr_cn=Corporate > > Of course on top of that add the HTA and WSH brigades. > > -- DBJ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "jQuery Development" group. To post to this group, send email to jquery-dev@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to jquery-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-dev?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[jquery-dev] Re: IE6 rules the roost and shows no signs of leaving anytime soon.
Thumbs up for IE6 and employment! On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Henry wrote: > > On Jun 4, 5:23 pm, Gilles wrote: > >> By work experience I found that most users that still use IE6 >> are companies and their employees, mostly because their IT >> department is inadequate or non-existant which result in >> windows update not even being on automatic or used. > > Not allowing automatic OS updaters can be an IT department's > deliberate policy. > >> Also >> many employees wish they could upgrade to IE7 or even Firefox >> but like most companies will have policy and permissions set >> in a way where the employee can not install or upgrade >> anything themselves. > > You are not considering company Intranets, where there may be many > 'web applications' that were written for (and so may only work > properly with) IE 6. If those applications are important to a > company's internal bussiness/opeartions/organisation (and they > probably would not be there if they were not) then there may be very > good practical/financial reasons for that company not wanting its > desktop browsers to suddenly be changed for a potentially incompatible > version. Even the cost of testing all the internal web applications of > a large business with a new browser version could be unwelcome > (especially in an economic downturn), and the cost having them re- > worked/re-written in the event that they do not work would be on top > of that. > > The assertion that business are currently tending to stick with IE 6 > tallies 100% with my experience. > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "jQuery Development" group. To post to this group, send email to jquery-dev@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to jquery-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-dev?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[jquery-dev] Re: IE6 rules the roost and shows no signs of leaving anytime soon.
On Jun 4, 5:23 pm, Gilles wrote: > By work experience I found that most users that still use IE6 > are companies and their employees, mostly because their IT > department is inadequate or non-existant which result in > windows update not even being on automatic or used. Not allowing automatic OS updaters can be an IT department's deliberate policy. > Also > many employees wish they could upgrade to IE7 or even Firefox > but like most companies will have policy and permissions set > in a way where the employee can not install or upgrade > anything themselves. You are not considering company Intranets, where there may be many 'web applications' that were written for (and so may only work properly with) IE 6. If those applications are important to a company's internal bussiness/opeartions/organisation (and they probably would not be there if they were not) then there may be very good practical/financial reasons for that company not wanting its desktop browsers to suddenly be changed for a potentially incompatible version. Even the cost of testing all the internal web applications of a large business with a new browser version could be unwelcome (especially in an economic downturn), and the cost having them re- worked/re-written in the event that they do not work would be on top of that. The assertion that business are currently tending to stick with IE 6 tallies 100% with my experience. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "jQuery Development" group. To post to this group, send email to jquery-dev@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to jquery-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-dev?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[jquery-dev] Re: IE6 rules the roost and shows no signs of leaving anytime soon.
The only one that could give us proper number (well more accurate ones) is Microsoft itself as they must be able to track how many download of each version they had and how many version of windows have been send out. Even that wouldn't be that accurate due to cracked copies around the world. I haven't met anyone using IE for quite a while now, people these days actually know about computers these days and they often go for Firefox (from what I can see from my entourage only of course) By work experience I found that most users that still use IE6 are companies and their employees, mostly because their IT department is inadequate or non-existant which result in windows update not even being on automatic or used. Also many employees wish they could upgrade to IE7 or even Firefox but like most companies will have policy and permissions set in a way where the employee can not install or upgrade anything themselves. On Jun 4, 2:22 pm, Steven Black wrote: > Not believing those numbers at all. > > Maybe these stats include hits from places like rural China? From > script-kid bots? > > What one sees varies, of course. Based on the analytics I see from > western-world business and social sites, which doesn't include bots > and other non-javascript-enabled clients, what's reported here is not > representative at all. > > **--** Steve > > On Jun 3, 11:22 am, DBJDBJ wrote: > > > Thinking of that very near future where IE.ANY is dumped by everyone? > > Please read this: > > >http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/06/02/134224/Internet-Explorer-6-Wi... > > > And it links to : > > >http://www.statowl.com/web_browser_usage_by_version_trend.php?timefra...[]=ie&limit[]=firefox&limit[]=safari&limit[]=chrome&limit[]=opera&limit[]=netscape&fltr_os=&fltr_se=&fltr_cn=Corporate > > > Of course on top of that add the HTA and WSH brigades. > > > -- DBJ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "jQuery Development" group. To post to this group, send email to jquery-dev@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to jquery-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-dev?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[jquery-dev] Re: IE6 rules the roost and shows no signs of leaving anytime soon.
Not believing those numbers at all. Maybe these stats include hits from places like rural China? From script-kid bots? What one sees varies, of course. Based on the analytics I see from western-world business and social sites, which doesn't include bots and other non-javascript-enabled clients, what's reported here is not representative at all. **--** Steve On Jun 3, 11:22 am, DBJDBJ wrote: > Thinking of that very near future where IE.ANY is dumped by everyone? > Please read this: > > http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/06/02/134224/Internet-Explorer-6-Wi... > > And it links to : > > http://www.statowl.com/web_browser_usage_by_version_trend.php?timefra...[]=ie&limit[]=firefox&limit[]=safari&limit[]=chrome&limit[]=opera&limit[]=netscape&fltr_os=&fltr_se=&fltr_cn=Corporate > > Of course on top of that add the HTA and WSH brigades. > > -- DBJ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "jQuery Development" group. To post to this group, send email to jquery-dev@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to jquery-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-dev?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
