[jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages
On Oct 17, 2007, at 9:24 PM, Michael Geary wrote: I click in the middle of the screen. A message appears up at the top - where I'm not looking - AND another bouncy message appears at the BOTTOM of the screen, so it tries to draw my eye in two directions at once. I agree place of message should be configurable. However atleast for Growl users these kind of messages are quite natural. -- Mika Tuupola http://www.appelsiini.net/
[jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages
Michael Geary wrote: > 1) It displays messages at the top and bottom of the screen at the same > time, fighting for your attention - and the less important message - the one > at the bottom - is more eye-catching because of the animation. > Yeah - it would be nice if it the message log was turned in to a separate plugin as there are loads of places where I would want to use that on it's own. In fact, not just a message log but slide-out panels fixed to an edge of the screen. > 2) It is much too eager to dismiss the message on mouse movement. Don't you > naturally move the mouse around on a page as you look at it? I do. At least > I use a TrackPoint, so it's easy to avoid inadvertent mouse movement. If you > use a conventional mouse, it can be difficult to avoid any mouse movement > after a click. > Yeah, I have to agree with this. There should ideally be some delay after a mouse move before dismissing the message. Also, it would be nice if the message location could be easily customised - eg. to show the message next to a button or something. Guy
[jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages
I think this kind of approach is a great idea, but this implementation has
serious usability problems:
1) It displays messages at the top and bottom of the screen at the same
time, fighting for your attention - and the less important message - the one
at the bottom - is more eye-catching because of the animation.
2) It is much too eager to dismiss the message on mouse movement. Don't you
naturally move the mouse around on a page as you look at it? I do. At least
I use a TrackPoint, so it's easy to avoid inadvertent mouse movement. If you
use a conventional mouse, it can be difficult to avoid any mouse movement
after a click.
I posted a more detailed reply in the comments on the Ajaxian article:
http://ajaxian.com/archives/humanized-messages-library
-Mike
> From: Pyrolupus
>
> I'm thinking of this as a drop-in for alert() messages, and
> we already have no say where alert() places its dialog.
> Impromptu, mentioned earlier in this thread, does a great job
> of improving the basic JavaScript dialogs, already, and I'm
> thinking of supplementing those dialogs with these "Humanized
> Messages" for items where waiting for user response is not desirable.
>
> I'm thinking that short, "positive" messages ("Comment Posted,"
> "Record Updated") would be a great candidate for
> this--especially if the start location of the dialog was tied
> somewhere close to the area where action occurred (submit
> button, last text input, etc.). Errors, longer messages, and
> items that are "more important" would continue to use the
> alert()-esque dialogs (a la Impromtu).
>
> While the scenarios I describe above do not need the bouncy
> "Log" tab, I again think this might be useful in a couple of
> cases: An Ajax chat program, when "minimized," could pop up
> the "Humanized" message and bounce the "chat log" in the
> location where it is being kept.
>
> It has its uses, certainly. I like it. Just don't think of
> it as the catch-all for alert()s and confirm()s, and I think
> you'll begin to get some ideas on where you might use it. :)
>
> Pyro
> > From: Michael Geary
> >
> > Ugh. Am I the only one who doesn't like this user interface at all?
> >
> > I click in the middle of the screen. A message appears up
> > at the top - where I'm not looking - AND another bouncy
> > message appears at the BOTTOM of the screen, so it tries
> > to draw my eye in two directions at once.
> >
> > Then, when I finally notice the message at the top, I follow my
> > natural instinct and move the mouse toward it - and it
> > immediately disappears!
> >
> > Not user friendly.
[jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages
I'm thinking of this as a drop-in for alert() messages, and we already
have no say where alert() places its dialog. Impromptu, mentioned
earlier in this thread, does a great job of improving the basic
JavaScript dialogs, already, and I'm thinking of supplementing those
dialogs with these "Humanized Messages" for items where waiting for
user response is not desirable.
I'm thinking that short, "positive" messages ("Comment Posted,"
"Record Updated") would be a great candidate for this--especially if
the start location of the dialog was tied somewhere close to the area
where action occurred (submit button, last text input, etc.). Errors,
longer messages, and items that are "more important" would continue to
use the alert()-esque dialogs (a la Impromtu).
While the scenarios I describe above do not need the bouncy "Log" tab,
I again think this might be useful in a couple of cases: An Ajax chat
program, when "minimized," could pop up the "Humanized" message and
bounce the "chat log" in the location where it is being kept.
It has its uses, certainly. I like it. Just don't think of it as the
catch-all for alert()s and confirm()s, and I think you'll begin to get
some ideas on where you might use it. :)
Pyro
On Oct 17, 2:24 pm, "Michael Geary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >http://binarybonsai.com/archives/2007/10/15/humanized-messages-for-jq...
>
> Ugh. Am I the only one who doesn't like this user interface at all?
>
> I click in the middle of the screen. A message appears up at the top - where
> I'm not looking - AND another bouncy message appears at the BOTTOM of the
> screen, so it tries to draw my eye in two directions at once.
>
> Then, when I finally notice the message at the top, I follow my natural
> instinct and move the mouse toward it - and it immediately disappears!
>
> Not user friendly.
>
> -Mike
[jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages
Very Cool. ~Sean
[jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages
That's actually pretty cool. I like it. With regards to Sean O, I gotta say I'm really getting to the end of caring too much about ie6 anymore - it's been long enough and makes us miss out on too many fun apps like this.
[jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages
> http://binarybonsai.com/archives/2007/10/15/humanized-messages-for-jquery/ Ugh. Am I the only one who doesn't like this user interface at all? I click in the middle of the screen. A message appears up at the top - where I'm not looking - AND another bouncy message appears at the BOTTOM of the screen, so it tries to draw my eye in two directions at once. Then, when I finally notice the message at the top, I follow my natural instinct and move the mouse toward it - and it immediately disappears! Not user friendly. -Mike
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Really, more than the pop-up messages, I was curious about use of the messages tab at the bottom. When would someone want to have a running list of messages? Rick From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Nathanson Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:47 PM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages I think the cool thing about it is how it fades out on mousemove. It's less obtrusive than the usual native browser alert popup. And, having a log of messages could be useful in some implementations I suppose. There's another plugin that's kind of unheralded that I stumbled over called "Impromptu" that is similar in what it does. Basically a configurable replacement for the native browser alert. Very slick. -- Josh - Original Message - From: Rick Faircloth <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:07 AM Subject: [jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages Whatever. please share with us some of your visions, Andy. :o) From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Matthews Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:55 AM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages That's only because you're just not visionary enough Rick. :) _ From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Faircloth Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:53 AM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages It's an interesting app, but I'm not sure what the practical applications may be. ??? Rick From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Matthews Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:12 AM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages That's fairly nice. I like the message log at the bottom. Nice touch. _ From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeferson Koslowski Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:09 PM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] [NEWS] Humanized Messages Found a new jquery plugin: http://binarybonsai.com/archives/2007/10/15/humanized-messages-for-jquery/ >From the authors blog: "(...) It's simply a large and translucent message that's displayed over the contents of your screen. (...)"
[jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages
I think the cool thing about it is how it fades out on mousemove. It's less obtrusive than the usual native browser alert popup. And, having a log of messages could be useful in some implementations I suppose. There's another plugin that's kind of unheralded that I stumbled over called "Impromptu" that is similar in what it does. Basically a configurable replacement for the native browser alert. Very slick. -- Josh - Original Message - From: Rick Faircloth To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:07 AM Subject: [jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages Whatever. please share with us some of your visions, Andy. :o) From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Matthews Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:55 AM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages That's only because you're just not visionary enough Rick. :) -- From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Faircloth Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:53 AM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages It's an interesting app, but I'm not sure what the practical applications may be. ??? Rick From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Matthews Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:12 AM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages That's fairly nice. I like the message log at the bottom. Nice touch. -- From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeferson Koslowski Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:09 PM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] [NEWS] Humanized Messages Found a new jquery plugin: http://binarybonsai.com/archives/2007/10/15/humanized-messages-for-jquery/ From the authors blog: "(...) It's simply a large and translucent message that's displayed over the contents of your screen. (...)"
[jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages
Looks great in FF, but is hosed in IE6. Too bad, it would make a great 'update confirmation' for a few of my web apps. I do like the Humanized site, which served as the inspiration for this... ___ SEAN O http://www.sean-o.com Jeferson Koslowski wrote: > > Found a new jquery plugin: > http://binarybonsai.com/archives/2007/10/15/humanized-messages-for-jquery/ > > From the authors blog: "(...) It's simply a large and translucent message > that's displayed over the contents of your screen. (...)" > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-NEWS--Humanized-Messages-tf4637089s27240.html#a13255564 Sent from the jQuery General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Whatever. please share with us some of your visions, Andy. :o) From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Matthews Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:55 AM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages That's only because you're just not visionary enough Rick. :) _ From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Faircloth Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:53 AM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages It's an interesting app, but I'm not sure what the practical applications may be. ??? Rick From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Matthews Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:12 AM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages That's fairly nice. I like the message log at the bottom. Nice touch. _ From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeferson Koslowski Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:09 PM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] [NEWS] Humanized Messages Found a new jquery plugin: http://binarybonsai.com/archives/2007/10/15/humanized-messages-for-jquery/ >From the authors blog: "(...) It's simply a large and translucent message that's displayed over the contents of your screen. (...)"
[jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages
That's only because you're just not visionary enough Rick. :) _ From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Faircloth Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:53 AM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages It's an interesting app, but I'm not sure what the practical applications may be. ??? Rick From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Matthews Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:12 AM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages That's fairly nice. I like the message log at the bottom. Nice touch. _ From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeferson Koslowski Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:09 PM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] [NEWS] Humanized Messages Found a new jquery plugin: http://binarybonsai.com/archives/2007/10/15/humanized-messages-for-jquery/ >From the authors blog: "(...) It's simply a large and translucent message that's displayed over the contents of your screen. (...)"
[jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages
It's an interesting app, but I'm not sure what the practical applications may be. ??? Rick From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Matthews Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:12 AM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages That's fairly nice. I like the message log at the bottom. Nice touch. _ From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeferson Koslowski Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:09 PM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] [NEWS] Humanized Messages Found a new jquery plugin: http://binarybonsai.com/archives/2007/10/15/humanized-messages-for-jquery/ >From the authors blog: "(...) It's simply a large and translucent message that's displayed over the contents of your screen. (...)"
[jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages
That's fairly nice. I like the message log at the bottom. Nice touch. _ From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeferson Koslowski Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:09 PM To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Subject: [jQuery] [NEWS] Humanized Messages Found a new jquery plugin: http://binarybonsai.com/archives/2007/10/15/humanized-messages-for-jquery/ >From the authors blog: "(...) It's simply a large and translucent message that's displayed over the contents of your screen. (...)"
[jQuery] Re: [NEWS] Humanized Messages
On Oct 17, 2007, at 1:09 AM, Jeferson Koslowski wrote: Found a new jquery plugin: http://binarybonsai.com/archives/ 2007/10/15/humanized-messages-for-jquery/ From the authors blog: "(...) It's simply a large and translucent message that's displayed over the contents of your screen. (...)" Cool stuff. Kind of Growl for browser. Reminds me also bit Mephisto (Rails blogging engine) admin interfaces status area. -- Mika Tuupola http://www.appelsiini.net/
