[jQuery] Re: Moving to Google Groups (Finally)
Bullets and numbering!!! Front Page 97!!! For my serious vote: top post with the whole thread quoted. N The worst thing ever?? Come on. Have you tried Microsoft Bob? On 4/4/07, Chris W. Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:48 PM Glen Lipka said: Top posting, bottom posting. (Age old dillema - or at least 10 years old) Is it acceptable to erase the message and just post? Like this? That's the worst thing ever! It makes it almost impossible to get context unless you've already been following along with the entire thread. Or should I have said that here? On a serious note, I think it totally depends on the mail reader. For example, I use Gmail. I tag everything from the group with a label and archive it. (Using a filter). Gmail happens to be really good at keeping the thread together and I never delete anything. I literally have the entire thread on the screen. Its almost like a forum with no pagination (pagination-yuck). However, on a different client (like Outlook or Outlook Express) you get a totally different view. Those clients are not designer to keep everything. There context is much more important. I would venture to say that this is a touchy issue. Everyone has a view on it, usually based on the view of their mail client. ;) So is there an ettiquette rule to follow here on 1. What to delete when replying (if any) and 2. Where to post? (top or bottom) G
[jQuery] Re: Moving to Google Groups (Finally)
I'm not a jerk. I just hate having to scroll to the bottom of a message to read the latest post. I believe the concept of top-posting versus bottom-posting was pushed as Internet etiquette some years back. Is that something we could all try to do? - Original Message From: Trans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jQuery (English) jquery-en@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:40:26 PM Subject: [jQuery] Re: Moving to Google Groups (Finally) On Mar 31, 6:12 pm, John Resig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Everyone - Google has finally imported all of the users into the new jQuery Google Group. From now on, all messages should be going to the group directly instead of the old mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Important information: - The new jQuery mailing list is located here: http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-en - The email address to contact the list is: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Everyone's email addresses should be imported with the correct settings. If this is not the case, please let me know so that I can change it. All concerns related to the list should be sent directly to me at: jeresig at gmail.com. I'll handle everything directly. Sorry for the hassle, everyone. I'm glad that this is finally being resolved. Have a good weekend! Cool. I for one am just as happy to see this, as I prefer using Google Groups. I had set up the Google Group archive mirror for the old list. Should I leave that up for a while longer, or go ahead and remove it? ~Trans
[jQuery] Re: Moving to Google Groups (Finally)
Ariel, I couldn't agree with you more regarding top-posting. Further, the contents of a previous post need only be quoted when they need to be referred to IMHO, otherwise it's just more text to scroll past when it's already available higher up the thread it's in. /2 pennies' worth On 4/4/07, Ariel Jakobovits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not a jerk. I just hate having to scroll to the bottom of a message to read the latest post. I believe the concept of top-posting versus bottom-posting was pushed as Internet etiquette some years back. Is that something we could all try to do? - Original Message From: Trans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jQuery (English) jquery-en@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:40:26 PM Subject: [jQuery] Re: Moving to Google Groups (Finally) On Mar 31, 6:12 pm, John Resig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Everyone - Google has finally imported all of the users into the new jQuery Google Group. From now on, all messages should be going to the group directly instead of the old mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Important information: - The new jQuery mailing list is located here: http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-en - The email address to contact the list is: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Everyone's email addresses should be imported with the correct settings. If this is not the case, please let me know so that I can change it. All concerns related to the list should be sent directly to me at: jeresig at gmail.com. I'll handle everything directly. Sorry for the hassle, everyone. I'm glad that this is finally being resolved. Have a good weekend! Cool. I for one am just as happy to see this, as I prefer using Google Groups. I had set up the Google Group archive mirror for the old list. Should I leave that up for a while longer, or go ahead and remove it? ~Trans -- Rob Desbois Eml: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 01452 760631 Mob: 07946 705987 There's a whale there's a whale there's a whale fish he cried, and the whale was in full view. ...Then ooh welcome. Ahhh. Ooh mug welcome.
[jQuery] Re: Moving to Google Groups (Finally)
I've been trying to figure this out too, and after about an hour of poking around the Google Groups Help group ( http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Groups-Guide), I don't think its possible...that, or I'm an idiot (which has been proven before). You can correspond with the list via email without any problem, however if you access the web interface it will not recognize you. The closest thing I could find to a solution was a suggestion from Google to either logout your main Google account and login under the 'new' account (your supplemental email address), or use a different browser (but still with your supplemental email address). Hopefully there's a better solution to be found. On 4/2/07, Laurent Yaish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't figure out how to get Google Groups to recognize the 2 addresses as being the same so I just sent an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using the email address that had the + Too bad my old posts no longer show up as being mine using my regular account, but oh well... Since Gmail allows you to create different From: address using + addressing it would make sense for them to support that in Google Groups. I'll send an email to Google Groups support later. Laurent On 4/2/07, John Resig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I'm not sure how to merge this, either. I currently have a couple email addresses that I would like to merge too. If anyone has any idea, let us know! --John On 4/2/07, laurenty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey John, Google Groups doesn't seem to be smart enough about linking my email addresses... I had subscribed to the old list with laurenty+jquery@gee mail dot com, I was using plus sign addressing for filtering purposes. I can't get Google groups to realize that this is the same email address...any ideas? Thanks! Laurent jQuery rules! On Mar 31, 3:55 pm, John Resig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trans - I think you can just remove it. The new list (jquery-en) has the entire message history in it, so that will make things easier for everyone. If you want, you can email me the user list (jeresig at gmail.com) and I'll import everyone into the new list (so that no one is lost in the process). Thanks for all of your help! --John On 3/31/07, Trans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 31, 6:12 pm, John Resig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Everyone - Google has finally imported all of the users into the new jQuery Google Group. From now on, all messages should be going to the group directly instead of the old mailing list ( [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Important information: - The new jQuery mailing list is located here: http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-en - The email address to contact the list is: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Everyone's email addresses should be imported with the correct settings. If this is not the case, please let me know so that I can change it. All concerns related to the list should be sent directly to me at: jeresig at gmail.com. I'll handle everything directly. Sorry for the hassle, everyone. I'm glad that this is finally being resolved. Have a good weekend! Cool. I for one am just as happy to see this, as I prefer using Google Groups. I had set up the Google Group archive mirror for the old list. Should I leave that up for a while longer, or go ahead and remove it? ~Trans
[jQuery] Re: Moving to Google Groups (Finally)
John Resig schrieb: Hey Everyone - Google has finally imported all of the users into the new jQuery Google Group. From now on, all messages should be going to the group directly instead of the old mailing list (discuss@jquery.com). Important information: - The new jQuery mailing list is located here: http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-en - The email address to contact the list is: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Everyone's email addresses should be imported with the correct settings. If this is not the case, please let me know so that I can change it. All concerns related to the list should be sent directly to me at: jeresig at gmail.com. I'll handle everything directly. Sorry for the hassle, everyone. I'm glad that this is finally being resolved. Have a good weekend! --John I have one question though: I'm using Thunderbird and after the transition to Google Groups a lot of threads get splitted into at least two parts. Maybe the threading gets messed up if someone posts via web interface? Any ideas anyone? -- Klaus
[jQuery] Re: Moving to Google Groups (Finally)
On Apr 4, 2007, at 7:02 AM, Klaus Hartl wrote: I have one question though: I'm using Thunderbird and after the transition to Google Groups a lot of threads get splitted into at least two parts. Maybe the threading gets messed up if someone posts via web interface? Any ideas anyone? +1 back at ya, Klaus. I'm using mail.app and having the same problem (someone else mentioned this as a problem with Outlook, too). Maybe it has to do with googlegroups prepending the Re: before [jQuery] instead of inserting it after [jQuery]? In any case, if someone has figured out a way around this with any email app, please let us know. --Karl _ Karl Swedberg www.englishrules.com www.learningjquery.com
[jQuery] Re: Moving to Google Groups (Finally)
Not surprisingly, gmail works just fine. :-) In any case, if someone has figured out a way around this with any email app, please let us know.
[jQuery] Re: Moving to Google Groups (Finally)
Mike Alsup schrieb: Not surprisingly, gmail works just fine. :-) In any case, if someone has figured out a way around this with any email app, please let us know. Argh. There's an GMail UI extension for Thunderbird. I don't think so, but maybe it does some magic. -- Klaus
[jQuery] Re: Moving to Google Groups (Finally)
Karl Swedberg schrieb: On Apr 4, 2007, at 7:02 AM, Klaus Hartl wrote: I have one question though: I'm using Thunderbird and after the transition to Google Groups a lot of threads get splitted into at least two parts. Maybe the threading gets messed up if someone posts via web interface? Any ideas anyone? +1 back at ya, Klaus. I'm using mail.app and having the same problem (someone else mentioned this as a problem with Outlook, too). Maybe it has to do with googlegroups prepending the Re: before [jQuery] instead of inserting it after [jQuery]? In any case, if someone has figured out a way around this with any email app, please let us know. I think threading is mostly done by some special headers, the Re is not that important (if at all, at least in Thunderbird). That is also the reason, why I don't recommend to start new threads by hitting reply and changing the subject. Such mails get buried in old threads and the chance that these won't get read are much higher. -- Klaus
[jQuery] Re: Moving to Google Groups (Finally)
Yes, that's true. Every email has a unique ID and reply-to ID. It's surprising that Outlook and others are botching this. I think threading is mostly done by some special headers, the Re is not that important (if at all, at least in Thunderbird). That is also the reason, why I don't recommend to start new threads by hitting reply and changing the subject. Such mails get buried in old threads and the chance that these won't get read are much higher.
[jQuery] Re: Moving to Google Groups (Finally)
Arrrgh - I'm an idiot. I only just realised there is a view by Topic List option in google groups. I was finding it very difficult to navigate with the the default Topic summary view. So in case anyone else doesn't realise, you can change the topic view from this http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/thegooddale/jq-g1.png to this http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/thegooddale/jq-g2.png :) On Apr 1, 8:12 am, John Resig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Everyone - Google has finally imported all of the users into the new jQuery Google Group. From now on, all messages should be going to the group directly instead of the old mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Important information: - The new jQuery mailing list is located here: http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-en - The email address to contact the list is: jquery-en@googlegroups.com Everyone's email addresses should be imported with the correct settings. If this is not the case, please let me know so that I can change it. All concerns related to the list should be sent directly to me at: jeresig at gmail.com. I'll handle everything directly. Sorry for the hassle, everyone. I'm glad that this is finally being resolved. Have a good weekend! --John ___ jQuery mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]://jquery.com/discuss/
[jQuery] Re: Moving to Google Groups (Finally)
Top posting, bottom posting. (Age old dillema - or at least 10 years old) Is it acceptable to erase the message and just post? Like this?
[jQuery] Re: Moving to Google Groups (Finally)
*The worst thing ever?? Come on. Have you tried Microsoft Bob?* On 4/4/07, Chris W. Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:48 PM Glen Lipka said: Top posting, bottom posting. (Age old dillema - or at least 10 years old) Is it acceptable to erase the message and just post? Like this? That's the worst thing ever! It makes it almost impossible to get context unless you've already been following along with the entire thread. *Or should I have said that here?* ** On a serious note, I think it totally depends on the mail reader. For example, I use Gmail. I tag everything from the group with a label and archive it. (Using a filter). Gmail happens to be really good at keeping the thread together and I never delete anything. I literally have the entire thread on the screen. Its almost like a forum with no pagination (pagination-yuck). However, on a different client (like Outlook or Outlook Express) you get a totally different view. Those clients are not designer to keep everything. There context is much more important. I would venture to say that this is a touchy issue. Everyone has a view on it, usually based on the view of their mail client. ;) So is there an ettiquette rule to follow here on 1. What to delete when replying (if any) and 2. Where to post? (top or bottom) G
