[jQuery] Re: SproutCore vs jQuery? Are there any comparisons out there?

2008-06-26 Thread Ed Finkler 

Beyond that, the development process seems very much modeled on Rails,
and *requires* that you have Ruby.

The biggest issue for me is that the development process requires that
you serve up files from a local web server (Mongrel) and view them in
a browser. Personally, I would *really* love an MVC framework like
this for developing desktop apps for AIR, but this is impractical with
SproutCore because:

1. I can't actually test during development in AIR. I can get kinda
close with Safari, but it's not the same.
2. Because I can't test in AIR, I can't access any of the AIR specific
APIs during development -- ya know, the things that make AIR something
beyond just a site-specific browser. No file system access, no OS-
level notifications in Windows, no OS-native menus, etc.

I guess I can see why they took that approach -- the server/browser
setup is a far, far more common delivery model for apps, but it still
bums me out a lot.

--
Ed Finkler
http://funkatron.com
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ICQ: 3922133
Skype: funka7ron


On Jun 19, 9:04 am, "Andy Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I felt the same way. All of the samples are solely based on Rails.
>
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> Behalf Of Ed Finkler
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:34 PM
> To: jQuery (English)
> Subject: [jQuery] Re: SproutCore vs jQuery? Are there any comparisons out
> there?
>
> SproutCore looks interesting from the outside, but I dislike the strong
> reliance on Ruby and code stub generation. I would *love* to see a good MVC
> pattern framework for JS, though, that I could use in AIR apps.
>
> --
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> On Jun 17, 12:07 pm, "Priest, James (NIH/NIEHS) [C]"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > If you look at their site - it seems it's much more focused on
> > building actual applications. Looking interesting for sure but not
> > sure if a direct comparison with jQuery or the other JS libraries can be
> made.
>
> >http://www.sproutcore.com/documentation/getting-started/
>
> > Jim
>
> > > -Original Message-----
> > > From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:55 AM
> > > To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: [jQuery] Re: SproutCore vs jQuery? Are there any
> > > comparisons out there?
>
> > > Yeah...that's what I thought. I've never even heard of it before
> > > WWDC.

[jQuery] Re: SproutCore vs jQuery? Are there any comparisons out there?

2008-06-19 Thread Andy Matthews 

I felt the same way. All of the samples are solely based on Rails. 

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Behalf Of Ed Finkler
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:34 PM
To: jQuery (English)
Subject: [jQuery] Re: SproutCore vs jQuery? Are there any comparisons out
there?


SproutCore looks interesting from the outside, but I dislike the strong
reliance on Ruby and code stub generation. I would *love* to see a good MVC
pattern framework for JS, though, that I could use in AIR apps.

--
Ed Finkler
http://funkatron.com
AIM: funka7ron
ICQ: 3922133
Skype: funka7ron


On Jun 17, 12:07 pm, "Priest, James (NIH/NIEHS) [C]"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you look at their site - it seems it's much more focused on 
> building actual applications. Looking interesting for sure but not 
> sure if a direct comparison with jQuery or the other JS libraries can be
made.
>
> http://www.sproutcore.com/documentation/getting-started/
>
> Jim
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:55 AM
> > To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: [jQuery] Re: SproutCore vs jQuery? Are there any 
> > comparisons out there?
>
> > Yeah...that's what I thought. I've never even heard of it before 
> > WWDC.

[jQuery] Re: SproutCore vs jQuery? Are there any comparisons out there?

2008-06-18 Thread Ed Finkler 

SproutCore looks interesting from the outside, but I dislike the
strong reliance on Ruby and code stub generation. I would *love* to
see a good MVC pattern framework for JS, though, that I could use in
AIR apps.

--
Ed Finkler
http://funkatron.com
AIM: funka7ron
ICQ: 3922133
Skype: funka7ron


On Jun 17, 12:07 pm, "Priest, James (NIH/NIEHS) [C]"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you look at their site - it seems it's much more focused on building
> actual applications. Looking interesting for sure but not sure if a
> direct comparison with jQuery or the other JS libraries can be made.
>
> http://www.sproutcore.com/documentation/getting-started/
>
> Jim
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:55 AM
> > To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: [jQuery] Re: SproutCore vs jQuery? Are there any
> > comparisons out there?
>
> > Yeah...that's what I thought. I've never even heard of it
> > before WWDC.

[jQuery] Re: SproutCore vs jQuery? Are there any comparisons out there?

2008-06-17 Thread Javier Martínez Fernández 

But the demos are slw, even in Safari.


El 17/06/2008, a las 18:57, Josh Nathanson escribió:

>
> On the SproutCore site, it talks about it being a complete MVC type  
> framework.  This is a different approach than jQuery.  It reminded  
> me a bit of Spry.
>
> The SproutCore guy did a presentation at the SF Javascript Meetup a  
> couple of months ago, and it sounded pretty interesting.
>
> -- Josh
>
> - Original Message - From: "Andy Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 8:54 AM
> Subject: [jQuery] Re: SproutCore vs jQuery? Are there any  
> comparisons out there?
>
>
>>
>> Yeah...that's what I thought. I've never even heard of it before  
>> WWDC.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:jquery- 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Rey Bango
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:29 AM
>> To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: [jQuery] Re: SproutCore vs jQuery? Are there any  
>> comparisons out
>> there?
>>
>>
>> There are no comparisons out at the moment. While SproutCore has  
>> recently
>> received a lot of press, it's been completely out of the limelight
>> otherwise.
>>
>> Rey...
>>
>> Andy Matthews wrote:
>>> I'm looking for comparisons between the newly popular JS library
>>> SproutCore and our own favorite, jQuery.
>>>
>>> Mostly I'm looking for feature comparisons in the area of data  
>>> binding
>>> and UI.
>>>
>>> SproutCore's got to be good if Apple decided to use it for their
>>> recerntly announced MobileMe online app. But why? Why not jQuery, or
>>> Dojo, etc?
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>> 
>>>
>>> Andy Matthews
>>> *Senior ColdFusion Developer
>>>
>>> Office:  615.627.9747
>>> Fax:  615.467.6249
>>> www.dealerskins.com <http://www.dealerskins.com/>
>>>
>>> Total customer satisfaction is my number 1 priority! If you are not
>>> completely satisfied with the service I have provided, please let me
>>> know right away so I can correct the problem, or notify my manager
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>>>
>>
>

[jQuery] Re: SproutCore vs jQuery? Are there any comparisons out there?

2008-06-17 Thread Priest, James (NIH/NIEHS) [C] 

If you look at their site - it seems it's much more focused on building
actual applications. Looking interesting for sure but not sure if a
direct comparison with jQuery or the other JS libraries can be made.

http://www.sproutcore.com/documentation/getting-started/

Jim 

> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:55 AM
> To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [jQuery] Re: SproutCore vs jQuery? Are there any 
> comparisons out there?
> 
> 
> Yeah...that's what I thought. I've never even heard of it 
> before WWDC. 
>

[jQuery] Re: SproutCore vs jQuery? Are there any comparisons out there?

2008-06-17 Thread mmw 

for me sproutCore Framwork is the middle-age, prototyping everything
that's what I did before jQuery
+ a lot of bugs regarding controls, maybe sproutcore is nicer
regarding the look and feel framework and offers some facilities
for including images but that's the case with jQuery + the MVC is not
documented as well as jQuery and the the object model  is poorin
comparison to jQuery, maybe Apple choose it because it's something
that their developers can understand...


On Jun 17, 8:54 am, "Andy Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah...that's what I thought. I've never even heard of it before WWDC.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>
> Behalf Of Rey Bango
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:29 AM
> To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [jQuery] Re: SproutCore vs jQuery? Are there any comparisons out
> there?
>
> There are no comparisons out at the moment. While SproutCore has recently
> received a lot of press, it's been completely out of the limelight
> otherwise.
>
> Rey...
>
> Andy Matthews wrote:
> > I'm looking for comparisons between the newly popular JS library
> > SproutCore and our own favorite, jQuery.
>
> > Mostly I'm looking for feature comparisons in the area of data binding
> > and UI.
>
> > SproutCore's got to be good if Apple decided to use it for their
> > recerntly announced MobileMe online app. But why? Why not jQuery, or
> > Dojo, etc?
>
> > *
> > 
>
> > Andy Matthews
> > *Senior ColdFusion Developer
>
> > Office:  615.627.9747
> > Fax:  615.467.6249
> >www.dealerskins.com<http://www.dealerskins.com/>
>
> > Total customer satisfaction is my number 1 priority! If you are not
> > completely satisfied with the service I have provided, please let me
> > know right away so I can correct the problem, or notify my manager
> > Aaron West at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[jQuery] Re: SproutCore vs jQuery? Are there any comparisons out there?

2008-06-17 Thread Josh Nathanson 


On the SproutCore site, it talks about it being a complete MVC type 
framework.  This is a different approach than jQuery.  It reminded me a bit 
of Spry.


The SproutCore guy did a presentation at the SF Javascript Meetup a couple 
of months ago, and it sounded pretty interesting.


-- Josh

- Original Message - 
From: "Andy Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 8:54 AM
Subject: [jQuery] Re: SproutCore vs jQuery? Are there any comparisons out 
there?





Yeah...that's what I thought. I've never even heard of it before WWDC.

-Original Message-
From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rey Bango
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:29 AM
To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com
Subject: [jQuery] Re: SproutCore vs jQuery? Are there any comparisons out
there?


There are no comparisons out at the moment. While SproutCore has recently
received a lot of press, it's been completely out of the limelight
otherwise.

Rey...

Andy Matthews wrote:

I'm looking for comparisons between the newly popular JS library
SproutCore and our own favorite, jQuery.

Mostly I'm looking for feature comparisons in the area of data binding
and UI.

SproutCore's got to be good if Apple decided to use it for their
recerntly announced MobileMe online app. But why? Why not jQuery, or
Dojo, etc?


*


Andy Matthews
*Senior ColdFusion Developer

Office:  615.627.9747
Fax:  615.467.6249
www.dealerskins.com <http://www.dealerskins.com/>

Total customer satisfaction is my number 1 priority! If you are not
completely satisfied with the service I have provided, please let me
know right away so I can correct the problem, or notify my manager
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[jQuery] Re: SproutCore vs jQuery? Are there any comparisons out there?

2008-06-17 Thread Erik Beeson 

I guess maybe it'll be cool eventually since Apple is apparently
backing it? But from the demos so far, it looks extremely
half-baked...

--Erik


On 6/17/08, Andy Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Yeah...that's what I thought. I've never even heard of it before WWDC.
>
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>  Behalf Of Rey Bango
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:29 AM
>  To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com
>  Subject: [jQuery] Re: SproutCore vs jQuery? Are there any comparisons out
>  there?
>
>
>  There are no comparisons out at the moment. While SproutCore has recently
>  received a lot of press, it's been completely out of the limelight
>  otherwise.
>
>  Rey...
>
>  Andy Matthews wrote:
>  > I'm looking for comparisons between the newly popular JS library
>  > SproutCore and our own favorite, jQuery.
>  >
>  > Mostly I'm looking for feature comparisons in the area of data binding
>  > and UI.
>  >
>  > SproutCore's got to be good if Apple decided to use it for their
>  > recerntly announced MobileMe online app. But why? Why not jQuery, or
>  > Dojo, etc?
>  >
>  >
>  > *
>  > 
>  >
>  > Andy Matthews
>  > *Senior ColdFusion Developer
>  >
>  > Office:  615.627.9747
>  > Fax:  615.467.6249
>  > www.dealerskins.com <http://www.dealerskins.com/>
>  >
>  > Total customer satisfaction is my number 1 priority! If you are not
>  > completely satisfied with the service I have provided, please let me
>  > know right away so I can correct the problem, or notify my manager
>  > Aaron West at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  >
>
>
>

[jQuery] Re: SproutCore vs jQuery? Are there any comparisons out there?

2008-06-17 Thread Andy Matthews 

Yeah...that's what I thought. I've never even heard of it before WWDC. 

-Original Message-
From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rey Bango
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:29 AM
To: jquery-en@googlegroups.com
Subject: [jQuery] Re: SproutCore vs jQuery? Are there any comparisons out
there?


There are no comparisons out at the moment. While SproutCore has recently
received a lot of press, it's been completely out of the limelight
otherwise.

Rey...

Andy Matthews wrote:
> I'm looking for comparisons between the newly popular JS library 
> SproutCore and our own favorite, jQuery.
>  
> Mostly I'm looking for feature comparisons in the area of data binding 
> and UI.
>  
> SproutCore's got to be good if Apple decided to use it for their 
> recerntly announced MobileMe online app. But why? Why not jQuery, or 
> Dojo, etc?
>  
>  
> *
> 
>  
> Andy Matthews
> *Senior ColdFusion Developer
> 
> Office:  615.627.9747
> Fax:  615.467.6249
> www.dealerskins.com <http://www.dealerskins.com/>
>  
> Total customer satisfaction is my number 1 priority! If you are not 
> completely satisfied with the service I have provided, please let me 
> know right away so I can correct the problem, or notify my manager 
> Aaron West at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>

[jQuery] Re: SproutCore vs jQuery? Are there any comparisons out there?

2008-06-17 Thread Rey Bango 


There are no comparisons out at the moment. While SproutCore has 
recently received a lot of press, it's been completely out of the 
limelight otherwise.


Rey...

Andy Matthews wrote:
I'm looking for comparisons between the newly popular JS library 
SproutCore and our own favorite, jQuery.
 
Mostly I'm looking for feature comparisons in the area of data binding 
and UI.
 
SproutCore's got to be good if Apple decided to use it for their 
recerntly announced MobileMe online app. But why? Why not jQuery, or 
Dojo, etc?
 
 
*


 
Andy Matthews

*Senior ColdFusion Developer

Office:  615.627.9747
Fax:  615.467.6249
www.dealerskins.com 
 
Total customer satisfaction is my number 1 priority! If you are not 
completely satisfied with the service I have provided, please let me 
know right away so I can correct the problem, or notify my manager Aaron 
West at [EMAIL PROTECTED]