Re: [jQuery] Re: Why mootools animations is more smooth than jquery?
It is, at least in my FF 3.5.7 on Win 7, but I haven't the slightest clue as to why. Thanks for sharing those demos. On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Scott Sauyet scott.sau...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 6, 3:44 pm, Acaz Souza acazso...@gmail.com wrote: MooTools:http://www.jsfiddle.net/4vnya/ jQuery:http://www.jsfiddle.net/eFbwJ/36/ (Compare the code, the effects. You decide.) Why mootools is more smooth than jquery? It's not, at least not in my FF3.5.6 on Win XP. Haven't you been here asking this question before? Are you trying to get information or prove some obscure point? -- Scott
RE: [jQuery] Re: Why mootools animations is more smooth than jquery?
They seem about the same to me as well, FF3.5.6 on Win7 -Original Message- From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:jquery...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Sauyet Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:29 PM To: jQuery (English) Subject: [jQuery] Re: Why mootools animations is more smooth than jquery? On Jan 6, 3:44 pm, Acaz Souza acazso...@gmail.com wrote: MooTools:http://www.jsfiddle.net/4vnya/ jQuery:http://www.jsfiddle.net/eFbwJ/36/ (Compare the code, the effects. You decide.) Why mootools is more smooth than jquery? It's not, at least not in my FF3.5.6 on Win XP. Haven't you been here asking this question before? Are you trying to get information or prove some obscure point? -- Scott
Re: [jQuery] Re: Why mootools animations is more smooth than jquery?
to be honest no library is 100% efficient. its like a template that anyone can download. what counts as what you do with it and if suits your needs. in some cases you would create your very own template if nothing suits your needs. so if you require 100% smoothness in everything you would require only the pieces of scripts that you are using and nothing more. regardless of the library you choose code that you do not use will always exist. say if you find a js lib where each function is its' own file. it would be efficient as you include only what you need. however it would take longer for all your scripts to load as the user would have to download each one. unfortunately i cannot fully answer your questions. On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Acaz Souza acazso...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, i´m from brazilian, my english is too bad. Sorry for bad questions. But, ok ok, This depends on the computer hardware, engine of the browser, how the plugin is written and more... But, another question, The algorithm of animation that has been made in jquery to give the best quality in this regard? I want to say this, the jquery it was done with lower quality animation to preserve the other strengths? (Or Not?) Because i have a project to build, and smoothing is very important to me. I like jquery, but sometimes i see mootools more smooth than jquery. And the other animations frameworks, anyone know if they are better in this point? On 5 dez, 01:04, Dave Methvin dave.meth...@gmail.com wrote: ok, I've used some code I had lying around and put dummy content in there:http://www.tnt.be/bugs/jquery/moovsjquery/ I actually don't really see a difference on my Ubuntu box (using FF 3.6b4), but there's a huge difference on a colleague's G4 (OS X 10.4, Firefox 3.5.5), so try to find a slow computer to test this on. Jonathan, thanks for doing the demo. Pretty nice demo, by the way! I tried it on my system, but it's a fast Dell notebook running Windows 7. The demo ran smoothly on Firefox 3.5, IE8, Opera 10, and Chrome 3.
Re: [jQuery] Re: Why mootools animations is more smooth than jquery?
test with the minified version :) On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Acaz Souza acazso...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, i will do some tests with this librarys, i will elevate the CPU usage and tests in the major browsers. On 5 dez, 09:57, waseem sabjee waseemsab...@gmail.com wrote: to be honest no library is 100% efficient. its like a template that anyone can download. what counts as what you do with it and if suits your needs. in some cases you would create your very own template if nothing suits your needs. so if you require 100% smoothness in everything you would require only the pieces of scripts that you are using and nothing more. regardless of the library you choose code that you do not use will always exist. say if you find a js lib where each function is its' own file. it would be efficient as you include only what you need. however it would take longer for all your scripts to load as the user would have to download each one. unfortunately i cannot fully answer your questions. On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Acaz Souza acazso...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, i´m from brazilian, my english is too bad. Sorry for bad questions. But, ok ok, This depends on the computer hardware, engine of the browser, how the plugin is written and more... But, another question, The algorithm of animation that has been made in jquery to give the best quality in this regard? I want to say this, the jquery it was done with lower quality animation to preserve the other strengths? (Or Not?) Because i have a project to build, and smoothing is very important to me. I like jquery, but sometimes i see mootools more smooth than jquery. And the other animations frameworks, anyone know if they are better in this point? On 5 dez, 01:04, Dave Methvin dave.meth...@gmail.com wrote: ok, I've used some code I had lying around and put dummy content in there:http://www.tnt.be/bugs/jquery/moovsjquery/ I actually don't really see a difference on my Ubuntu box (using FF 3.6b4), but there's a huge difference on a colleague's G4 (OS X 10.4, Firefox 3.5.5), so try to find a slow computer to test this on. Jonathan, thanks for doing the demo. Pretty nice demo, by the way! I tried it on my system, but it's a fast Dell notebook running Windows 7. The demo ran smoothly on Firefox 3.5, IE8, Opera 10, and Chrome 3.
Re: [jQuery] Re: Why mootools animations is more smooth than jquery?
Karl Swedberg wrote: On Dec 3, 2009, at 7:31 PM, Dave Methvin wrote: I refrained from replying because the OP seemed trollish, but he has a point, IMHO. It would be great if someone who knew both frameworks could set up a page that demonstrated a side-by-side case where Mootools has smoother animations than jQuery. Otherwise it's hard do know what might be causing the problem, or even whether there's a problem at all. That's a great idea, Dave. I wonder how much the easing equation affects people's perception of smoothness. It might be worthwhile to try animations using the easing plugin and see if any of those equations feel smoother. --Karl Karl Swedberg www.englishrules.com http://www.englishrules.com www.learningjquery.com http://www.learningjquery.com ok, I've used some code I had lying around and put dummy content in there: http://www.tnt.be/bugs/jquery/moovsjquery/ I actually don't really see a difference on my Ubuntu box (using FF 3.6b4), but there's a huge difference on a colleague's G4 (OS X 10.4, Firefox 3.5.5), so try to find a slow computer to test this on. Again, this might be the fault of the plugin I'm using, if you have another way of doing the same thing in jQuery you can tell me so I know for next time. I really prefer using jQuery, but sometimes I just can't because of things like this. Jonathan -- www.tnt.be http://www.tnt.be/?source=emailsig *Jonathan Vanherpe* jonat...@tnt.be mailto:jonat...@tnt.be - www.tnt.be http://www.tnt.be/?source=emailsig - tel.: +32 (0)9 3860441
Re: [jQuery] Re: Why mootools animations is more smooth than jquery?
Just used your benchmark and I didn't see any significant differences. Both had slight jumps from time to time, none felt like there was a pattern, I'm using Firefox 3.5 on a iMac pro (last year's edition) running snow leopard. Michel Belleville 2009/12/4 Jonathan Vanherpe (T T NV) jonat...@tnt.be Karl Swedberg wrote: On Dec 3, 2009, at 7:31 PM, Dave Methvin wrote: I refrained from replying because the OP seemed trollish, but he has a point, IMHO. It would be great if someone who knew both frameworks could set up a page that demonstrated a side-by-side case where Mootools has smoother animations than jQuery. Otherwise it's hard do know what might be causing the problem, or even whether there's a problem at all. That's a great idea, Dave. I wonder how much the easing equation affects people's perception of smoothness. It might be worthwhile to try animations using the easing plugin and see if any of those equations feel smoother. --Karl Karl Swedberg www.englishrules.com www.learningjquery.com ok, I've used some code I had lying around and put dummy content in there: http://www.tnt.be/bugs/jquery/moovsjquery/ I actually don't really see a difference on my Ubuntu box (using FF 3.6b4), but there's a huge difference on a colleague's G4 (OS X 10.4, Firefox 3.5.5), so try to find a slow computer to test this on. Again, this might be the fault of the plugin I'm using, if you have another way of doing the same thing in jQuery you can tell me so I know for next time. I really prefer using jQuery, but sometimes I just can't because of things like this. Jonathan -- [image: www.tnt.be] http://www.tnt.be/?source=emailsig *Jonathan Vanherpe* jonat...@tnt.be - www.tnt.be http://www.tnt.be/?source=emailsig - tel.: +32 (0)9 3860441
Re: [jQuery] Re: Why mootools animations is more smooth than jquery?
That's why I said you needed to find a slow computer to test it on ;-). We need to cater to a diverse audience, and part of that audience is using IE6 on a crappy Intel Celeron chip or Firefox on a G4. Jonathan Michel Belleville wrote: Just used your benchmark and I didn't see any significant differences. Both had slight jumps from time to time, none felt like there was a pattern, I'm using Firefox 3.5 on a iMac pro (last year's edition) running snow leopard. Michel Belleville 2009/12/4 Jonathan Vanherpe (T T NV) jonat...@tnt.be mailto:jonat...@tnt.be Karl Swedberg wrote: On Dec 3, 2009, at 7:31 PM, Dave Methvin wrote: I refrained from replying because the OP seemed trollish, but he has a point, IMHO. It would be great if someone who knew both frameworks could set up a page that demonstrated a side-by-side case where Mootools has smoother animations than jQuery. Otherwise it's hard do know what might be causing the problem, or even whether there's a problem at all. That's a great idea, Dave. I wonder how much the easing equation affects people's perception of smoothness. It might be worthwhile to try animations using the easing plugin and see if any of those equations feel smoother. --Karl Karl Swedberg www.englishrules.com http://www.englishrules.com www.learningjquery.com http://www.learningjquery.com ok, I've used some code I had lying around and put dummy content in there: http://www.tnt.be/bugs/jquery/moovsjquery/ I actually don't really see a difference on my Ubuntu box (using FF 3.6b4), but there's a huge difference on a colleague's G4 (OS X 10.4, Firefox 3.5.5), so try to find a slow computer to test this on. Again, this might be the fault of the plugin I'm using, if you have another way of doing the same thing in jQuery you can tell me so I know for next time. I really prefer using jQuery, but sometimes I just can't because of things like this. Jonathan -- www.tnt.be http://www.tnt.be/?source=emailsig *Jonathan Vanherpe* jonat...@tnt.be mailto:jonat...@tnt.be - www.tnt.be http://www.tnt.be/?source=emailsig - tel.: +32 (0)9 3860441 -- www.tnt.be http://www.tnt.be/?source=emailsig *Jonathan Vanherpe* jonat...@tnt.be mailto:jonat...@tnt.be - www.tnt.be http://www.tnt.be/?source=emailsig - tel.: +32 (0)9 3860441
Re: [jQuery] Re: Why mootools animations is more smooth than jquery?
Just out of curiosity, which browser are you using? Did you try it in more than one? --Karl On Dec 4, 2009, at 9:43 AM, donb wrote: I have a 'slow computer' that is 6 years old hardware, has been upgraded from windows 3.1 and upward, to the current XP without ever a wipe and reinstall. I figure I'm a worst-case scenario if there ever was one. ;-) I routinely find pages loading extremely slow from javascript-intense sites. But these test cases run equally-smooth with jquery or mootools, for me. I would throw out another possibility here - the particular javascript engine that the browser is using. Might want to check that. (NOTE: I just tried to figure out what version I am using, but danged if I can find anything that tells me what version it is. Give me a pointer what to look for and I'll look again if you want me to). On Dec 4, 5:54 am, wshawn sh...@sanityllc.com wrote: Celeron? BAH! They need to kill that beast. In openSuse, on a not so slow machine ;) running KDE, Firefox 3.5.5 with only the cookie monster plugin activated, I noticed a slight lag in the mootools sample. Some of this perceived speed difference may be a direct result of plugins, or proxy issues in the browsers themselves. The biggest noticeable changes were 2 to 3 and 4 to 1.The direct vertical and horizontal slides were fine in both jQuery and Mootools. On Dec 4, 4:06 am, Jonathan Vanherpe (T T NV) jonat...@tnt.be wrote: That's why I said you needed to find a slow computer to test it on ;-). We need to cater to a diverse audience, and part of that audience is using IE6 on a crappy Intel Celeron chip or Firefox on a G4. Jonathan Michel Belleville wrote: Just used your benchmark and I didn't see any significant differences. Both had slight jumps from time to time, none felt like there was a pattern, I'm using Firefox 3.5 on a iMac pro (last year's edition) running snow leopard. Michel Belleville 2009/12/4 Jonathan Vanherpe (T T NV) jonat...@tnt.be mailto:jonat...@tnt.be Karl Swedberg wrote: On Dec 3, 2009, at 7:31 PM, Dave Methvin wrote: I refrained from replying because the OP seemed trollish, but he has a point, IMHO. It would be great if someone who knew both frameworks could set up a page that demonstrated a side-by-side case where Mootools has smoother animations than jQuery. Otherwise it's hard do know what might be causing the problem, or even whether there's a problem at all. That's a great idea, Dave. I wonder how much the easing equation affects people's perception of smoothness. It might be worthwhile to try animations using the easing plugin and see if any of those equations feel smoother. --Karl Karl Swedberg www.englishrules.comhttp://www.englishrules.com www.learningjquery.comhttp://www.learningjquery.com ok, I've used some code I had lying around and put dummy content in there: http://www.tnt.be/bugs/jquery/moovsjquery/ I actually don't really see a difference on my Ubuntu box (using FF 3.6b4), but there's a huge difference on a colleague's G4 (OS X 10.4, Firefox 3.5.5), so try to find a slow computer to test this on. Again, this might be the fault of the plugin I'm using, if you have another way of doing the same thing in jQuery you can tell me so I know for next time. I really prefer using jQuery, but sometimes I just can't because of things like this. Jonathan -- www.tnt.behttp://www.tnt.be/?source=emailsig *Jonathan Vanherpe* jonat...@tnt.be mailto:jonat...@tnt.be -www.tnt.be http://www.tnt.be/?source=emailsig - tel.: +32 (0)9 3860441 --www.tnt.behttp://www.tnt.be/?source=emailsig *Jonathan Vanherpe* jonat...@tnt.be mailto:jonat...@tnt.be -www.tnt.be http://www.tnt.be/?source=emailsig - tel.: +32 (0)9 3860441- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -
Re: [jQuery] Re: Why mootools animations is more smooth than jquery?
I wonder, is this a feeble attempt at launching a troll, a poorly worded vague question, or just good old plain nonsense ? Michel Belleville 2009/12/3 Acaz Souza acazso...@gmail.com The jquery framework in past, it use the fx animation, it's true? On Dec 2, 4:26 pm, MorningZ morni...@gmail.com wrote: How is someone *possibly* supposed to answer that open ended and vague question? On Dec 2, 1:13 pm, Acaz Souza acazso...@gmail.com wrote: anyone can help me? On Dec 2, 11:31 am, Acaz Souza acazso...@gmail.com wrote: Why mootools animations is more smooth than jquery animations?
Re: [jQuery] Re: Why mootools animations is more smooth than jquery?
Acaz, I think you should consider looking into this yourself. The animations provided by jQuery, while basic, are quite smooth and perform well. If you feel that the ones provided by MooTools perform better, then I would urge you to take the time to investigate it and consider offering patches should you find a good solution. Best, Rey jQuery Team Acaz Souza wrote: The jquery framework in past, it use the fx animation, it's true? On Dec 2, 4:26 pm, MorningZ morni...@gmail.com wrote: How is someone *possibly* supposed to answer that open ended and vague question? On Dec 2, 1:13 pm, Acaz Souza acazso...@gmail.com wrote: anyone can help me? On Dec 2, 11:31 am, Acaz Souza acazso...@gmail.com wrote: Why mootools animations is more smooth than jquery animations?
Re: [jQuery] Re: Why mootools animations is more smooth than jquery?
LOL. :D Thanks Scott. Rey... Scott Sauyet wrote: On Dec 3, 11:02 am, Rey Bango r...@reybango.com wrote: I think you should consider looking into this yourself. The animations provided by jQuery, while basic, are quite smooth and perform well. If you feel that the ones provided by MooTools perform better, then I would urge you to take the time to investigate it and consider offering patches should you find a good solution. How does Rey do that? Twice I stopped my fingers over the send key on a troll message. I decided that ignoring it was my best bet. I never even considered trying to turn it into a positive suggestion. Sure, Rey, show us all up by being nicer! :-) -- Scott
Re: [jQuery] Re: Why mootools animations is more smooth than jquery?
I'm not trolling (at least today I'm not ;-)), but mootools' effects are smoother in at least some cases. I've switched to mootools for some websites just because of that, even though I really prefer working with jQuery. Try using scrollTo() diagonally in both frameworks to see one example (ofcourse, this might just be the scrollto plugin's fault). I refrained from replying because the OP seemed trollish, but he has a point, IMHO. Jonathan Rey Bango wrote: LOL. :D Thanks Scott. Rey... Scott Sauyet wrote: On Dec 3, 11:02 am, Rey Bango r...@reybango.com wrote: I think you should consider looking into this yourself. The animations provided by jQuery, while basic, are quite smooth and perform well. If you feel that the ones provided by MooTools perform better, then I would urge you to take the time to investigate it and consider offering patches should you find a good solution. How does Rey do that? Twice I stopped my fingers over the send key on a troll message. I decided that ignoring it was my best bet. I never even considered trying to turn it into a positive suggestion. Sure, Rey, show us all up by being nicer! :-) -- Scott -- Jonathan Vanherpe - Tallieu Tallieu NV - jonat...@tnt.be
Re: [jQuery] Re: Why mootools animations is more smooth than jquery?
That's certainly possible. Again, for me the animations provided by jQuery have been great. I'd give you the same feedback in that if there are issues, I'd urge you to see if you can pinpoint them and provide a patch. That would be a great help to the project. Rey... Jonathan Vanherpe (T T NV) wrote: I'm not trolling (at least today I'm not ;-)), but mootools' effects are smoother in at least some cases. I've switched to mootools for some websites just because of that, even though I really prefer working with jQuery. Try using scrollTo() diagonally in both frameworks to see one example (ofcourse, this might just be the scrollto plugin's fault). I refrained from replying because the OP seemed trollish, but he has a point, IMHO. Jonathan Rey Bango wrote: LOL. :D Thanks Scott. Rey... Scott Sauyet wrote: On Dec 3, 11:02 am, Rey Bango r...@reybango.com wrote: I think you should consider looking into this yourself. The animations provided by jQuery, while basic, are quite smooth and perform well. If you feel that the ones provided by MooTools perform better, then I would urge you to take the time to investigate it and consider offering patches should you find a good solution. How does Rey do that? Twice I stopped my fingers over the send key on a troll message. I decided that ignoring it was my best bet. I never even considered trying to turn it into a positive suggestion. Sure, Rey, show us all up by being nicer! :-) -- Scott
Re: [jQuery] Re: Why mootools animations is more smooth than jquery?
On Dec 3, 2009, at 7:31 PM, Dave Methvin wrote: I refrained from replying because the OP seemed trollish, but he has a point, IMHO. It would be great if someone who knew both frameworks could set up a page that demonstrated a side-by-side case where Mootools has smoother animations than jQuery. Otherwise it's hard do know what might be causing the problem, or even whether there's a problem at all. That's a great idea, Dave. I wonder how much the easing equation affects people's perception of smoothness. It might be worthwhile to try animations using the easing plugin and see if any of those equations feel smoother. --Karl Karl Swedberg www.englishrules.com www.learningjquery.com
