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I don't think beginner questions are avoidable. Everyone just needs to be a little more patient and refer people to the archive site if you know the question has been resolved on the list in the past. If someone has a basic question they could be refered to the FAQs. Lets try not to get so upset. Hopefully those people new to JSP, servlets, and/or Java will stay on the list, learn, and eventually be able to contribute solutions that will benefit everyone. -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Filip Zalewski Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 12:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OFFTOPIC: RANT I agree wholeheartedly. I think jsp-interest needs to split into more then just one mailing list. There should be a list that address model issues, another for implementation issues etc. I don't have a problem with high volume mailing lists, I just hate reading 30 posts about crap thats been answered several hundred times over, every morning. Regards, Fz Bradley McLain wrote: rant i guess i am beginning to agree with those who complain about the number of silly questions posted to this list. i'm no hotshot java dude myself, and i get a lot out of much of the 'elementary' discussion that takes place here. but it does get a bit discouraging to go through dozens of 'what is a webserver?' questions each morning. in the spirit of trying to help those who are coming over to the java platform, i've tried to help with what little i know, and i know others have too. but doesn't anyone know how to use the web? a little searching answers all of those questions without inundating busy people. you don't know how to set up your servlet container? don't know how to reference a bean? don't know what a bean is? can't understand form post? getting funny 'class not found' errors? don't know where to place a servlet? etc., etc., etc. do what i and many others did. lurk on the forums, check the faqs, puzzle over it a bit, search list archives, look through several books, read the apis, try several angles, call/email the company you got the software from. then, if nothing else works, post a question. post only as a last resort. as i understand it (please correct me if i'm wrong), a list like this one is for discussions such as the model 2 stuff that has been going back and forth, or for advanced programming questions that are genuinely hard to find answers for. alright, now i'll go get my coffee and calm down.. /rant bradley mclain From: Brenda Tung [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Brenda Tung [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:41:12 +0800 hi everyone, I've just started reading up on JSP. I'm quite confused by what's the difference between java servlets and JSP. And where do java beans come into the pictures. Do i just use the use bean tags in JSP ? Thank you all for your kind attention. Brenda === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
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grammer of english is no where important as far as this group is concerned . how good u r at grammer of jsp that matters... Ray Muslimani wrote: yeah!! One should first know how to compose a message with proper grammar before slamming others!! - Original Message - From: piyush raj jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 24, 1999 3:02 PM Subject: Re: OFFTOPIC: RANT yeah!! one shud put atleast two hrs before posting the que? "Shriver, Ryan" wrote: I completely concur with Bradley on this one. Like him, I don't proclaim to be a servlet or JSP expert. I'm learning about these technologies along with everyone else. However, I'm very tired of having my mailbox filled with messages from this list from folks who have obviously not done 10 minutes of research before posting their question. Sun's JSP area (http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/) has a host of documents, all free of charge, that address many of the simple questions posted to this list. Go out there, download these documents and READ THEM. Plunk down $30 for a JSP/Servlet book. Read it. Educate yourself. If there are concepts, ideas or methodologies that are unclear or up for discussion, please post them here. But all these syntax and "how do I..." questions that have been answered a thousand times are starting to become annoying. You know, for being a young person I hate to rant like a bitter old man. But it's just very frustrating when the same questions are posted to this mailing list over and over and over. All of which could have been answered had the person spent 10 minutes and done some research on their own time instead of wasting everyone elses. -ryan -Original Message- From: Bradley McLain To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/23/00 10:10 AM Subject: OFFTOPIC: RANT rant i guess i am beginning to agree with those who complain about the number of silly questions posted to this list. i'm no hotshot java dude myself, and i get a lot out of much of the 'elementary' discussion that takes place here. but it does get a bit discouraging to go through dozens of 'what is a webserver?' questions each morning. in the spirit of trying to help those who are coming over to the java platform, i've tried to help with what little i know, and i know others have too. but doesn't anyone know how to use the web? a little searching answers all of those questions without inundating busy people. you don't know how to set up your servlet container? don't know how to reference a bean? don't know what a bean is? can't understand form post? getting funny 'class not found' errors? don't know where to place a servlet? etc., etc., etc. do what i and many others did. lurk on the forums, check the faqs, puzzle over it a bit, search list archives, look through several books, read the apis, try several angles, call/email the company you got the software from. then, if nothing else works, post a question. post only as a last resort. as i understand it (please correct me if i'm wrong), a list like this one is for discussions such as the model 2 stuff that has been going back and forth, or for advanced programming questions that are genuinely hard to find answers for. alright, now i'll go get my coffee and calm down.. /rant bradley mclain From: Brenda Tung [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Brenda Tung [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:41:12 +0800 hi everyone, I've just started reading up on JSP. I'm quite confused by what's the difference between java servlets and JSP. And where do java beans come into the pictures. Do i just use the use bean tags in JSP ? Thank you all for your kind attention. Brenda === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru
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My sentiments exactly ! Suzy The rules have changed Get Paid to surf! http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=FXX350 Suzy Cutts e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 8720111 -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Shannon Moschetti Sent: 24 March 2000 16:32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OFFTOPIC: RANT I don't think beginner questions are avoidable. Everyone just needs to be a little more patient and refer people to the archive site if you know the question has been resolved on the list in the past. If someone has a basic question they could be refered to the FAQs. Lets try not to get so upset. Hopefully those people new to JSP, servlets, and/or Java will stay on the list, learn, and eventually be able to contribute solutions that will benefit everyone. -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Filip Zalewski Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 12:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OFFTOPIC: RANT I agree wholeheartedly. I think jsp-interest needs to split into more then just one mailing list. There should be a list that address model issues, another for implementation issues etc. I don't have a problem with high volume mailing lists, I just hate reading 30 posts about crap thats been answered several hundred times over, every morning. Regards, Fz Bradley McLain wrote: rant i guess i am beginning to agree with those who complain about the number of silly questions posted to this list. i'm no hotshot java dude myself, and i get a lot out of much of the 'elementary' discussion that takes place here. but it does get a bit discouraging to go through dozens of 'what is a webserver?' questions each morning. in the spirit of trying to help those who are coming over to the java platform, i've tried to help with what little i know, and i know others have too. but doesn't anyone know how to use the web? a little searching answers all of those questions without inundating busy people. you don't know how to set up your servlet container? don't know how to reference a bean? don't know what a bean is? can't understand form post? getting funny 'class not found' errors? don't know where to place a servlet? etc., etc., etc. do what i and many others did. lurk on the forums, check the faqs, puzzle over it a bit, search list archives, look through several books, read the apis, try several angles, call/email the company you got the software from. then, if nothing else works, post a question. post only as a last resort. as i understand it (please correct me if i'm wrong), a list like this one is for discussions such as the model 2 stuff that has been going back and forth, or for advanced programming questions that are genuinely hard to find answers for. alright, now i'll go get my coffee and calm down.. /rant bradley mclain From: Brenda Tung [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Brenda Tung [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:41:12 +0800 hi everyone, I've just started reading up on JSP. I'm quite confused by what's the difference between java servlets and JSP. And where do java beans come into the pictures. Do i just use the use bean tags in JSP ? Thank you all for your kind attention. Brenda === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST"
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I completely agree with Bradley. Please use some good books on JSP/Servlets/Java/web server and documentation from your web server vendor/java.sun.com site/servlet vendor and if you still can not get answer then post your question. If the kind of questions which are posted today continue then I will have to bail out too. More important than that many developers who take this forum seriously will have every reason to complain to sun about this forum And I do not need to get anything to drink, because I am not saying this in any anger towards anybody. I just joined this forum before about a week or so to check it out and I am not having a very good experience. Bradley and other developers frustration is completely GENUINE and VALID. Akbar -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bradley McLain Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 7:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OFFTOPIC: RANT rant i guess i am beginning to agree with those who complain about the number of silly questions posted to this list. i'm no hotshot java dude myself, and i get a lot out of much of the 'elementary' discussion that takes place here. but it does get a bit discouraging to go through dozens of 'what is a webserver?' questions each morning. in the spirit of trying to help those who are coming over to the java platform, i've tried to help with what little i know, and i know others have too. but doesn't anyone know how to use the web? a little searching answers all of those questions without inundating busy people. you don't know how to set up your servlet container? don't know how to reference a bean? don't know what a bean is? can't understand form post? getting funny 'class not found' errors? don't know where to place a servlet? etc., etc., etc. do what i and many others did. lurk on the forums, check the faqs, puzzle over it a bit, search list archives, look through several books, read the apis, try several angles, call/email the company you got the software from. then, if nothing else works, post a question. post only as a last resort. as i understand it (please correct me if i'm wrong), a list like this one is for discussions such as the model 2 stuff that has been going back and forth, or for advanced programming questions that are genuinely hard to find answers for. alright, now i'll go get my coffee and calm down.. /rant bradley mclain From: Brenda Tung [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Brenda Tung [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:41:12 +0800 hi everyone, I've just started reading up on JSP. I'm quite confused by what's the difference between java servlets and JSP. And where do java beans come into the pictures. Do i just use the use bean tags in JSP ? Thank you all for your kind attention. Brenda === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
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I completely concur with Bradley on this one. Like him, I don't proclaim to be a servlet or JSP expert. I'm learning about these technologies along with everyone else. However, I'm very tired of having my mailbox filled with messages from this list from folks who have obviously not done 10 minutes of research before posting their question. Sun's JSP area (http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/) has a host of documents, all free of charge, that address many of the simple questions posted to this list. Go out there, download these documents and READ THEM. Plunk down $30 for a JSP/Servlet book. Read it. Educate yourself. If there are concepts, ideas or methodologies that are unclear or up for discussion, please post them here. But all these syntax and "how do I..." questions that have been answered a thousand times are starting to become annoying. You know, for being a young person I hate to rant like a bitter old man. But it's just very frustrating when the same questions are posted to this mailing list over and over and over. All of which could have been answered had the person spent 10 minutes and done some research on their own time instead of wasting everyone elses. -ryan -Original Message- From: Bradley McLain To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/23/00 10:10 AM Subject: OFFTOPIC: RANT rant i guess i am beginning to agree with those who complain about the number of silly questions posted to this list. i'm no hotshot java dude myself, and i get a lot out of much of the 'elementary' discussion that takes place here. but it does get a bit discouraging to go through dozens of 'what is a webserver?' questions each morning. in the spirit of trying to help those who are coming over to the java platform, i've tried to help with what little i know, and i know others have too. but doesn't anyone know how to use the web? a little searching answers all of those questions without inundating busy people. you don't know how to set up your servlet container? don't know how to reference a bean? don't know what a bean is? can't understand form post? getting funny 'class not found' errors? don't know where to place a servlet? etc., etc., etc. do what i and many others did. lurk on the forums, check the faqs, puzzle over it a bit, search list archives, look through several books, read the apis, try several angles, call/email the company you got the software from. then, if nothing else works, post a question. post only as a last resort. as i understand it (please correct me if i'm wrong), a list like this one is for discussions such as the model 2 stuff that has been going back and forth, or for advanced programming questions that are genuinely hard to find answers for. alright, now i'll go get my coffee and calm down.. /rant bradley mclain From: Brenda Tung [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Brenda Tung [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:41:12 +0800 hi everyone, I've just started reading up on JSP. I'm quite confused by what's the difference between java servlets and JSP. And where do java beans come into the pictures. Do i just use the use bean tags in JSP ? Thank you all for your kind attention. Brenda === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
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STOP WHINGING! Youre as bad as the people you're complaining about ! Suzy The rules have changed Get Paid to surf! http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=FXX350 Suzy Cutts e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 8720111 -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Pirani Akbar Sent: 23 March 2000 15:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OFFTOPIC: RANT I completely agree with Bradley. Please use some good books on JSP/Servlets/Java/web server and documentation from your web server vendor/java.sun.com site/servlet vendor and if you still can not get answer then post your question. If the kind of questions which are posted today continue then I will have to bail out too. More important than that many developers who take this forum seriously will have every reason to complain to sun about this forum And I do not need to get anything to drink, because I am not saying this in any anger towards anybody. I just joined this forum before about a week or so to check it out and I am not having a very good experience. Bradley and other developers frustration is completely GENUINE and VALID. Akbar -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bradley McLain Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 7:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OFFTOPIC: RANT rant i guess i am beginning to agree with those who complain about the number of silly questions posted to this list. i'm no hotshot java dude myself, and i get a lot out of much of the 'elementary' discussion that takes place here. but it does get a bit discouraging to go through dozens of 'what is a webserver?' questions each morning. in the spirit of trying to help those who are coming over to the java platform, i've tried to help with what little i know, and i know others have too. but doesn't anyone know how to use the web? a little searching answers all of those questions without inundating busy people. you don't know how to set up your servlet container? don't know how to reference a bean? don't know what a bean is? can't understand form post? getting funny 'class not found' errors? don't know where to place a servlet? etc., etc., etc. do what i and many others did. lurk on the forums, check the faqs, puzzle over it a bit, search list archives, look through several books, read the apis, try several angles, call/email the company you got the software from. then, if nothing else works, post a question. post only as a last resort. as i understand it (please correct me if i'm wrong), a list like this one is for discussions such as the model 2 stuff that has been going back and forth, or for advanced programming questions that are genuinely hard to find answers for. alright, now i'll go get my coffee and calm down.. /rant bradley mclain From: Brenda Tung [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Brenda Tung [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:41:12 +0800 hi everyone, I've just started reading up on JSP. I'm quite confused by what's the difference between java servlets and JSP. And where do java beans come into the pictures. Do i just use the use bean tags in JSP ? Thank you all for your kind attention. Brenda === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.
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I agree wholeheartedly. I think jsp-interest needs to split into more then just one mailing list. There should be a list that address model issues, another for implementation issues etc. I don't have a problem with high volume mailing lists, I just hate reading 30 posts about crap thats been answered several hundred times over, every morning. Regards, Fz Bradley McLain wrote: rant i guess i am beginning to agree with those who complain about the number of silly questions posted to this list. i'm no hotshot java dude myself, and i get a lot out of much of the 'elementary' discussion that takes place here. but it does get a bit discouraging to go through dozens of 'what is a webserver?' questions each morning. in the spirit of trying to help those who are coming over to the java platform, i've tried to help with what little i know, and i know others have too. but doesn't anyone know how to use the web? a little searching answers all of those questions without inundating busy people. you don't know how to set up your servlet container? don't know how to reference a bean? don't know what a bean is? can't understand form post? getting funny 'class not found' errors? don't know where to place a servlet? etc., etc., etc. do what i and many others did. lurk on the forums, check the faqs, puzzle over it a bit, search list archives, look through several books, read the apis, try several angles, call/email the company you got the software from. then, if nothing else works, post a question. post only as a last resort. as i understand it (please correct me if i'm wrong), a list like this one is for discussions such as the model 2 stuff that has been going back and forth, or for advanced programming questions that are genuinely hard to find answers for. alright, now i'll go get my coffee and calm down.. /rant bradley mclain From: Brenda Tung [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Brenda Tung [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:41:12 +0800 hi everyone, I've just started reading up on JSP. I'm quite confused by what's the difference between java servlets and JSP. And where do java beans come into the pictures. Do i just use the use bean tags in JSP ? Thank you all for your kind attention. Brenda === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
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yeah!! one shud put atleast two hrs before posting the que? "Shriver, Ryan" wrote: I completely concur with Bradley on this one. Like him, I don't proclaim to be a servlet or JSP expert. I'm learning about these technologies along with everyone else. However, I'm very tired of having my mailbox filled with messages from this list from folks who have obviously not done 10 minutes of research before posting their question. Sun's JSP area (http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/) has a host of documents, all free of charge, that address many of the simple questions posted to this list. Go out there, download these documents and READ THEM. Plunk down $30 for a JSP/Servlet book. Read it. Educate yourself. If there are concepts, ideas or methodologies that are unclear or up for discussion, please post them here. But all these syntax and "how do I..." questions that have been answered a thousand times are starting to become annoying. You know, for being a young person I hate to rant like a bitter old man. But it's just very frustrating when the same questions are posted to this mailing list over and over and over. All of which could have been answered had the person spent 10 minutes and done some research on their own time instead of wasting everyone elses. -ryan -Original Message- From: Bradley McLain To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/23/00 10:10 AM Subject: OFFTOPIC: RANT rant i guess i am beginning to agree with those who complain about the number of silly questions posted to this list. i'm no hotshot java dude myself, and i get a lot out of much of the 'elementary' discussion that takes place here. but it does get a bit discouraging to go through dozens of 'what is a webserver?' questions each morning. in the spirit of trying to help those who are coming over to the java platform, i've tried to help with what little i know, and i know others have too. but doesn't anyone know how to use the web? a little searching answers all of those questions without inundating busy people. you don't know how to set up your servlet container? don't know how to reference a bean? don't know what a bean is? can't understand form post? getting funny 'class not found' errors? don't know where to place a servlet? etc., etc., etc. do what i and many others did. lurk on the forums, check the faqs, puzzle over it a bit, search list archives, look through several books, read the apis, try several angles, call/email the company you got the software from. then, if nothing else works, post a question. post only as a last resort. as i understand it (please correct me if i'm wrong), a list like this one is for discussions such as the model 2 stuff that has been going back and forth, or for advanced programming questions that are genuinely hard to find answers for. alright, now i'll go get my coffee and calm down.. /rant bradley mclain From: Brenda Tung [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Brenda Tung [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:41:12 +0800 hi everyone, I've just started reading up on JSP. I'm quite confused by what's the difference between java servlets and JSP. And where do java beans come into the pictures. Do i just use the use bean tags in JSP ? Thank you all for your kind attention. Brenda === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html
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yeah!! One should first know how to compose a message with proper grammar before slamming others!! - Original Message - From: piyush raj jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 24, 1999 3:02 PM Subject: Re: OFFTOPIC: RANT yeah!! one shud put atleast two hrs before posting the que? "Shriver, Ryan" wrote: I completely concur with Bradley on this one. Like him, I don't proclaim to be a servlet or JSP expert. I'm learning about these technologies along with everyone else. However, I'm very tired of having my mailbox filled with messages from this list from folks who have obviously not done 10 minutes of research before posting their question. Sun's JSP area (http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/) has a host of documents, all free of charge, that address many of the simple questions posted to this list. Go out there, download these documents and READ THEM. Plunk down $30 for a JSP/Servlet book. Read it. Educate yourself. If there are concepts, ideas or methodologies that are unclear or up for discussion, please post them here. But all these syntax and "how do I..." questions that have been answered a thousand times are starting to become annoying. You know, for being a young person I hate to rant like a bitter old man. But it's just very frustrating when the same questions are posted to this mailing list over and over and over. All of which could have been answered had the person spent 10 minutes and done some research on their own time instead of wasting everyone elses. -ryan -Original Message- From: Bradley McLain To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/23/00 10:10 AM Subject: OFFTOPIC: RANT rant i guess i am beginning to agree with those who complain about the number of silly questions posted to this list. i'm no hotshot java dude myself, and i get a lot out of much of the 'elementary' discussion that takes place here. but it does get a bit discouraging to go through dozens of 'what is a webserver?' questions each morning. in the spirit of trying to help those who are coming over to the java platform, i've tried to help with what little i know, and i know others have too. but doesn't anyone know how to use the web? a little searching answers all of those questions without inundating busy people. you don't know how to set up your servlet container? don't know how to reference a bean? don't know what a bean is? can't understand form post? getting funny 'class not found' errors? don't know where to place a servlet? etc., etc., etc. do what i and many others did. lurk on the forums, check the faqs, puzzle over it a bit, search list archives, look through several books, read the apis, try several angles, call/email the company you got the software from. then, if nothing else works, post a question. post only as a last resort. as i understand it (please correct me if i'm wrong), a list like this one is for discussions such as the model 2 stuff that has been going back and forth, or for advanced programming questions that are genuinely hard to find answers for. alright, now i'll go get my coffee and calm down.. /rant bradley mclain From: Brenda Tung [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Brenda Tung [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:41:12 +0800 hi everyone, I've just started reading up on JSP. I'm quite confused by what's the difference between java servlets and JSP. And where do java beans come into the pictures. Do i just use the use bean tags in JSP ? Thank you all for your kind attention. Brenda === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html h
