Re: [jug-discussion] If you started a web project on the JVM today...
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Richard Hightower wrote: > This is very nascent and I have not deployed an real world app yet. But if I > was working on a green field app. This would be something I would consider. Well, if we're opening it up to "stuff I haven't used yet": Ruby on Google App Engine http://blog.bigcurl.de/2009/04/running-sinatra-apps-on-google.html -- Chad - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org
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True enough On 5/1/09 1:29 PM, "Nick Lesiecki" wrote: >> >> If only I could write GWT code in Groovy then I would be in complete >> Nirvana. >> > > So, you'd want to write code in a dynamic language in the browser. > Hmm. Some would say that's what Javascript is for. :) > > (Just imagine. Groovy compiling to Java compiling to Javascript. VM > optimization nightmare!) > > Nick > > On May 1, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Richard Hightower wrote: > >> I agree with Nick. >> >> GAEJ/Grails/GWT >> >> I'd want GWT on the frontend and GAEJ/Grails on the backend. I would >> use >> JPA/JDO talking to GAEJ datastore on the backend which I could port to >> another datastore if I needed. >> >> This is very nascent and I have not deployed an real world app yet. >> But if I >> was working on a green field app. This would be something I would >> consider. >> >> I am working on an App that we are considering porting to GWT (it is >> currently a SpringMVC/Ajax web app). I plan on writing a prototype >> graphing >> package to show what is possible with GWT. >> >> I am writing a series of articles on Google App Engine for Java for >> IBM. I >> love the idea of it. GWT on the front end makes a lot of sense to >> me. I >> prefer programming in Java and like the open nature of GWT (third >> party OS >> components seem to abound). >> >> The Groovy/Grails guy just added support for Grails running on GAEJ >> so if I >> could put that into the mix even better. >> >> If only I could write GWT code in Groovy then I would be in complete >> Nirvana. >> >> >> On 4/30/09 10:52 PM, "Nick Lesiecki" wrote: >> >>> java on app engine. If I didn't want to use AppEngine, I'd still do >>> GWT with a GWT RPC backend on the serverside. Ajax apps with RPC to >>> the server is the *only* way to develop web applications. >>> >>> Disclaimer, I didn't write GWT, and I have more than a few complaints >>> about it. But it's architecture is the future of web app development. >>> Period. >>> >>> No comment on storage. We do things differently at Google, so I'm out >>> of touch with "normal". We have concerns like: "is it redundant in >>> the >>> face of two simultaneous data center outages?" >>> >>> Nick >>> On Apr 30, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: >>> There are Java options for this, but why go with imitators :P? There's FeatherDB - http://code.google.com/p/featherdb/ Project Voldemort - http://project-voldemort.com/ And I'm sure others. But I'm sticking with CouchDB as I think it has a lot of strengths that the Java versions might not (Concurrency, Distributable out of the box, etc.). -warner On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Andrew Lenards wrote: > I fell victim to CouchDB's April Fools joke last year: > > http://damienkatz.net/2008/04/couchdb_language_change.html > > But it could have been two of three if that was true. > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Warner Onstine > wrote: >> >> I guess that's one out of three Java :P. >> >> -warner >> >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Warner Onstine >> wrote: >>> Grails, with Flex and CouchDB. >>> >>> -warner >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Andrew Lenards >>> wrote: I'm curious for the opinion of the list. If you started a project to build a web application today, what would you Java technology-stack be? >>> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson- >> jug.org >> > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org >>> >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org >>> >> >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org > For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org
Re: [jug-discussion] If you started a web project on the JVM today...
Ha. Well, yeh there's that kind of fear too. :) Outside of the infrastructure potential what's the benefit of slagging all transactions through a Google API? Pleading ignorance here too - I don't know squat about GWT - so the API notion could be way off. Don't get me wrong this is a purely hypothetical question (not intentionally loaded either). I'm really leading to the question of whether or not to use GAEJ, or a hosting provider, or AWS, or... Kit BTW, Nick I noticed your "at Google" comment - and your email address and find myself slightly puzzled. On May 1, 2009, at 1:50 PM, nlesiecki wrote: I'm afraid of Google. Deeply afraid. :) Feel free to spread your debt around. GWT + Grails Backend? GWT + Ruby on Rails Backend? (The latter is actually pretty close to what my team is doing right now.) Nick On May 1, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Kit Plummer wrote: Not saying that it is a valid concern, but does anyone else have a Google-fear? There's just something about so much technical-debt with a single provider that makes me nervous. Surprised a bit on the GWT thing too. I'm not a GUI developer, let alone a Javascript developer but it just seems like there are better starting points. Having done a few things with Flex, I'm not all that impressed there either. I do know that ExtJS is a PITA...and it's licensing quagmire doesn't help. Off topic for sure - Anybody tracking Capuccino? Kit On May 1, 2009, at 1:29 PM, nlesiecki wrote: If only I could write GWT code in Groovy then I would be in complete Nirvana. So, you'd want to write code in a dynamic language in the browser. Hmm. Some would say that's what Javascript is for. :) (Just imagine. Groovy compiling to Java compiling to Javascript. VM optimization nightmare!) Nick On May 1, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Richard Hightower wrote: I agree with Nick. GAEJ/Grails/GWT I'd want GWT on the frontend and GAEJ/Grails on the backend. I would use JPA/JDO talking to GAEJ datastore on the backend which I could port to another datastore if I needed. This is very nascent and I have not deployed an real world app yet. But if I was working on a green field app. This would be something I would consider. I am working on an App that we are considering porting to GWT (it is currently a SpringMVC/Ajax web app). I plan on writing a prototype graphing package to show what is possible with GWT. I am writing a series of articles on Google App Engine for Java for IBM. I love the idea of it. GWT on the front end makes a lot of sense to me. I prefer programming in Java and like the open nature of GWT (third party OS components seem to abound). The Groovy/Grails guy just added support for Grails running on GAEJ so if I could put that into the mix even better. If only I could write GWT code in Groovy then I would be in complete Nirvana. On 4/30/09 10:52 PM, "Nick Lesiecki" wrote: java on app engine. If I didn't want to use AppEngine, I'd still do GWT with a GWT RPC backend on the serverside. Ajax apps with RPC to the server is the *only* way to develop web applications. Disclaimer, I didn't write GWT, and I have more than a few complaints about it. But it's architecture is the future of web app development. Period. No comment on storage. We do things differently at Google, so I'm out of touch with "normal". We have concerns like: "is it redundant in the face of two simultaneous data center outages?" Nick On Apr 30, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: There are Java options for this, but why go with imitators :P? There's FeatherDB - http://code.google.com/p/featherdb/ Project Voldemort - http://project-voldemort.com/ And I'm sure others. But I'm sticking with CouchDB as I think it has a lot of strengths that the Java versions might not (Concurrency, Distributable out of the box, etc.). -warner On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Andrew Lenards wrote: I fell victim to CouchDB's April Fools joke last year: http://damienkatz.net/2008/04/couchdb_language_change.html But it could have been two of three if that was true. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Warner Onstine > wrote: I guess that's one out of three Java :P. -warner On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: Grails, with Flex and CouchDB. -warner On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Andrew Lenards wrote: I'm curious for the opinion of the list. If you started a project to build a web application today, what would you Java technology- stack be? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org ---
Re: [jug-discussion] If you started a web project on the JVM today...
Nick has had the yahoo address for a looong time, way before he went to go work for, uhmm, the big "G" :P. -warner On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Kit Plummer wrote: > Ha. Well, yeh there's that kind of fear too. :) Outside of the > infrastructure potential what's the benefit of slagging all transactions > through a Google API? Pleading ignorance here too - I don't know squat > about GWT - so the API notion could be way off. > > Don't get me wrong this is a purely hypothetical question (not intentionally > loaded either). I'm really leading to the question of whether or not to use > GAEJ, or a hosting provider, or AWS, or... > > Kit > > BTW, Nick I noticed your "at Google" comment - and your email address and > find myself slightly puzzled. > > On May 1, 2009, at 1:50 PM, nlesiecki wrote: > >> I'm afraid of Google. Deeply afraid. :) >> >> Feel free to spread your debt around. GWT + Grails Backend? GWT + Ruby on >> Rails Backend? (The latter is actually pretty close to what my team is doing >> right now.) >> >> Nick >> >> On May 1, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Kit Plummer wrote: >> >>> Not saying that it is a valid concern, but does anyone else have a >>> Google-fear? There's just something about so much technical-debt with a >>> single provider that makes me nervous. >>> >>> Surprised a bit on the GWT thing too. I'm not a GUI developer, let alone >>> a Javascript developer but it just seems like there are better starting >>> points. Having done a few things with Flex, I'm not all that impressed >>> there either. I do know that ExtJS is a PITA...and it's licensing quagmire >>> doesn't help. >>> >>> Off topic for sure - Anybody tracking Capuccino? >>> >>> Kit >>> >>> On May 1, 2009, at 1:29 PM, nlesiecki wrote: >>> > > If only I could write GWT code in Groovy then I would be in complete > Nirvana. > So, you'd want to write code in a dynamic language in the browser. Hmm. Some would say that's what Javascript is for. :) (Just imagine. Groovy compiling to Java compiling to Javascript. VM optimization nightmare!) Nick On May 1, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Richard Hightower wrote: > I agree with Nick. > > GAEJ/Grails/GWT > > I'd want GWT on the frontend and GAEJ/Grails on the backend. I would > use > JPA/JDO talking to GAEJ datastore on the backend which I could port to > another datastore if I needed. > > This is very nascent and I have not deployed an real world app yet. But > if I > was working on a green field app. This would be something I would > consider. > > I am working on an App that we are considering porting to GWT (it is > currently a SpringMVC/Ajax web app). I plan on writing a prototype > graphing > package to show what is possible with GWT. > > I am writing a series of articles on Google App Engine for Java for > IBM. I > love the idea of it. GWT on the front end makes a lot of sense to me. I > prefer programming in Java and like the open nature of GWT (third party > OS > components seem to abound). > > The Groovy/Grails guy just added support for Grails running on GAEJ so > if I > could put that into the mix even better. > > If only I could write GWT code in Groovy then I would be in complete > Nirvana. > > > On 4/30/09 10:52 PM, "Nick Lesiecki" wrote: > >> java on app engine. If I didn't want to use AppEngine, I'd still do >> GWT with a GWT RPC backend on the serverside. Ajax apps with RPC to >> the server is the *only* way to develop web applications. >> >> Disclaimer, I didn't write GWT, and I have more than a few complaints >> about it. But it's architecture is the future of web app development. >> Period. >> >> No comment on storage. We do things differently at Google, so I'm out >> of touch with "normal". We have concerns like: "is it redundant in the >> face of two simultaneous data center outages?" >> >> Nick >> On Apr 30, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: >> >>> There are Java options for this, but why go with imitators :P? >>> >>> There's FeatherDB - http://code.google.com/p/featherdb/ >>> Project Voldemort - http://project-voldemort.com/ >>> >>> And I'm sure others. But I'm sticking with CouchDB as I think it has >>> a >>> lot of strengths that the Java versions might not (Concurrency, >>> Distributable out of the box, etc.). >>> >>> -warner >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Andrew Lenards >>> wrote: I fell victim to CouchDB's April Fools joke last year: http://damienkatz.net/2008/04/couchdb_language_change.html But it could have been two of three if that was true. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: > > I guess that's one out of three Java
Re: [jug-discussion] If you started a web project on the JVM today...
Grails with ExtJS...excellent combination, and we are using it now to build a failry large application with great success. Never used GWT, but I am not a fan of using Java to write JavaScript, for many reasons. I would consider using GWT or a similar Java-based Javascript framework only if the developers on my team didn't know JavaScript well enough. Bashar --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Andrew Lenards wrote: From: Andrew Lenards Subject: [jug-discussion] If you started a web project on the JVM today... To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 2:48 PM I'm curious for the opinion of the list. If you started a project to build a web application today, what would you Java technology-stack be?
Re: [jug-discussion] If you started a web project on the JVM today...
I'm afraid of Google. Deeply afraid. :) Feel free to spread your debt around. GWT + Grails Backend? GWT + Ruby on Rails Backend? (The latter is actually pretty close to what my team is doing right now.) Nick On May 1, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Kit Plummer wrote: Not saying that it is a valid concern, but does anyone else have a Google-fear? There's just something about so much technical-debt with a single provider that makes me nervous. Surprised a bit on the GWT thing too. I'm not a GUI developer, let alone a Javascript developer but it just seems like there are better starting points. Having done a few things with Flex, I'm not all that impressed there either. I do know that ExtJS is a PITA...and it's licensing quagmire doesn't help. Off topic for sure - Anybody tracking Capuccino? Kit On May 1, 2009, at 1:29 PM, nlesiecki wrote: If only I could write GWT code in Groovy then I would be in complete Nirvana. So, you'd want to write code in a dynamic language in the browser. Hmm. Some would say that's what Javascript is for. :) (Just imagine. Groovy compiling to Java compiling to Javascript. VM optimization nightmare!) Nick On May 1, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Richard Hightower wrote: I agree with Nick. GAEJ/Grails/GWT I'd want GWT on the frontend and GAEJ/Grails on the backend. I would use JPA/JDO talking to GAEJ datastore on the backend which I could port to another datastore if I needed. This is very nascent and I have not deployed an real world app yet. But if I was working on a green field app. This would be something I would consider. I am working on an App that we are considering porting to GWT (it is currently a SpringMVC/Ajax web app). I plan on writing a prototype graphing package to show what is possible with GWT. I am writing a series of articles on Google App Engine for Java for IBM. I love the idea of it. GWT on the front end makes a lot of sense to me. I prefer programming in Java and like the open nature of GWT (third party OS components seem to abound). The Groovy/Grails guy just added support for Grails running on GAEJ so if I could put that into the mix even better. If only I could write GWT code in Groovy then I would be in complete Nirvana. On 4/30/09 10:52 PM, "Nick Lesiecki" wrote: java on app engine. If I didn't want to use AppEngine, I'd still do GWT with a GWT RPC backend on the serverside. Ajax apps with RPC to the server is the *only* way to develop web applications. Disclaimer, I didn't write GWT, and I have more than a few complaints about it. But it's architecture is the future of web app development. Period. No comment on storage. We do things differently at Google, so I'm out of touch with "normal". We have concerns like: "is it redundant in the face of two simultaneous data center outages?" Nick On Apr 30, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: There are Java options for this, but why go with imitators :P? There's FeatherDB - http://code.google.com/p/featherdb/ Project Voldemort - http://project-voldemort.com/ And I'm sure others. But I'm sticking with CouchDB as I think it has a lot of strengths that the Java versions might not (Concurrency, Distributable out of the box, etc.). -warner On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Andrew Lenards wrote: I fell victim to CouchDB's April Fools joke last year: http://damienkatz.net/2008/04/couchdb_language_change.html But it could have been two of three if that was true. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Warner Onstine > wrote: I guess that's one out of three Java :P. -warner On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: Grails, with Flex and CouchDB. -warner On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Andrew Lenards wrote: I'm curious for the opinion of the list. If you started a project to build a web application today, what would you Java technology- stack be? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson- jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson- jug.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org
Re: [jug-discussion] If you started a web project on the JVM today...
Not saying that it is a valid concern, but does anyone else have a Google-fear? There's just something about so much technical-debt with a single provider that makes me nervous. Surprised a bit on the GWT thing too. I'm not a GUI developer, let alone a Javascript developer but it just seems like there are better starting points. Having done a few things with Flex, I'm not all that impressed there either. I do know that ExtJS is a PITA...and it's licensing quagmire doesn't help. Off topic for sure - Anybody tracking Capuccino? Kit On May 1, 2009, at 1:29 PM, nlesiecki wrote: If only I could write GWT code in Groovy then I would be in complete Nirvana. So, you'd want to write code in a dynamic language in the browser. Hmm. Some would say that's what Javascript is for. :) (Just imagine. Groovy compiling to Java compiling to Javascript. VM optimization nightmare!) Nick On May 1, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Richard Hightower wrote: I agree with Nick. GAEJ/Grails/GWT I'd want GWT on the frontend and GAEJ/Grails on the backend. I would use JPA/JDO talking to GAEJ datastore on the backend which I could port to another datastore if I needed. This is very nascent and I have not deployed an real world app yet. But if I was working on a green field app. This would be something I would consider. I am working on an App that we are considering porting to GWT (it is currently a SpringMVC/Ajax web app). I plan on writing a prototype graphing package to show what is possible with GWT. I am writing a series of articles on Google App Engine for Java for IBM. I love the idea of it. GWT on the front end makes a lot of sense to me. I prefer programming in Java and like the open nature of GWT (third party OS components seem to abound). The Groovy/Grails guy just added support for Grails running on GAEJ so if I could put that into the mix even better. If only I could write GWT code in Groovy then I would be in complete Nirvana. On 4/30/09 10:52 PM, "Nick Lesiecki" wrote: java on app engine. If I didn't want to use AppEngine, I'd still do GWT with a GWT RPC backend on the serverside. Ajax apps with RPC to the server is the *only* way to develop web applications. Disclaimer, I didn't write GWT, and I have more than a few complaints about it. But it's architecture is the future of web app development. Period. No comment on storage. We do things differently at Google, so I'm out of touch with "normal". We have concerns like: "is it redundant in the face of two simultaneous data center outages?" Nick On Apr 30, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: There are Java options for this, but why go with imitators :P? There's FeatherDB - http://code.google.com/p/featherdb/ Project Voldemort - http://project-voldemort.com/ And I'm sure others. But I'm sticking with CouchDB as I think it has a lot of strengths that the Java versions might not (Concurrency, Distributable out of the box, etc.). -warner On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Andrew Lenards wrote: I fell victim to CouchDB's April Fools joke last year: http://damienkatz.net/2008/04/couchdb_language_change.html But it could have been two of three if that was true. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: I guess that's one out of three Java :P. -warner On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: Grails, with Flex and CouchDB. -warner On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Andrew Lenards wrote: I'm curious for the opinion of the list. If you started a project to build a web application today, what would you Java technology-stack be? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org
Re: [jug-discussion] If you started a web project on the JVM today...
If only I could write GWT code in Groovy then I would be in complete Nirvana. So, you'd want to write code in a dynamic language in the browser. Hmm. Some would say that's what Javascript is for. :) (Just imagine. Groovy compiling to Java compiling to Javascript. VM optimization nightmare!) Nick On May 1, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Richard Hightower wrote: I agree with Nick. GAEJ/Grails/GWT I'd want GWT on the frontend and GAEJ/Grails on the backend. I would use JPA/JDO talking to GAEJ datastore on the backend which I could port to another datastore if I needed. This is very nascent and I have not deployed an real world app yet. But if I was working on a green field app. This would be something I would consider. I am working on an App that we are considering porting to GWT (it is currently a SpringMVC/Ajax web app). I plan on writing a prototype graphing package to show what is possible with GWT. I am writing a series of articles on Google App Engine for Java for IBM. I love the idea of it. GWT on the front end makes a lot of sense to me. I prefer programming in Java and like the open nature of GWT (third party OS components seem to abound). The Groovy/Grails guy just added support for Grails running on GAEJ so if I could put that into the mix even better. If only I could write GWT code in Groovy then I would be in complete Nirvana. On 4/30/09 10:52 PM, "Nick Lesiecki" wrote: java on app engine. If I didn't want to use AppEngine, I'd still do GWT with a GWT RPC backend on the serverside. Ajax apps with RPC to the server is the *only* way to develop web applications. Disclaimer, I didn't write GWT, and I have more than a few complaints about it. But it's architecture is the future of web app development. Period. No comment on storage. We do things differently at Google, so I'm out of touch with "normal". We have concerns like: "is it redundant in the face of two simultaneous data center outages?" Nick On Apr 30, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: There are Java options for this, but why go with imitators :P? There's FeatherDB - http://code.google.com/p/featherdb/ Project Voldemort - http://project-voldemort.com/ And I'm sure others. But I'm sticking with CouchDB as I think it has a lot of strengths that the Java versions might not (Concurrency, Distributable out of the box, etc.). -warner On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Andrew Lenards wrote: I fell victim to CouchDB's April Fools joke last year: http://damienkatz.net/2008/04/couchdb_language_change.html But it could have been two of three if that was true. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: I guess that's one out of three Java :P. -warner On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: Grails, with Flex and CouchDB. -warner On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Andrew Lenards wrote: I'm curious for the opinion of the list. If you started a project to build a web application today, what would you Java technology-stack be? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson- jug.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org
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I agree with Nick. GAEJ/Grails/GWT I'd want GWT on the frontend and GAEJ/Grails on the backend. I would use JPA/JDO talking to GAEJ datastore on the backend which I could port to another datastore if I needed. This is very nascent and I have not deployed an real world app yet. But if I was working on a green field app. This would be something I would consider. I am working on an App that we are considering porting to GWT (it is currently a SpringMVC/Ajax web app). I plan on writing a prototype graphing package to show what is possible with GWT. I am writing a series of articles on Google App Engine for Java for IBM. I love the idea of it. GWT on the front end makes a lot of sense to me. I prefer programming in Java and like the open nature of GWT (third party OS components seem to abound). The Groovy/Grails guy just added support for Grails running on GAEJ so if I could put that into the mix even better. If only I could write GWT code in Groovy then I would be in complete Nirvana. On 4/30/09 10:52 PM, "Nick Lesiecki" wrote: > java on app engine. If I didn't want to use AppEngine, I'd still do > GWT with a GWT RPC backend on the serverside. Ajax apps with RPC to > the server is the *only* way to develop web applications. > > Disclaimer, I didn't write GWT, and I have more than a few complaints > about it. But it's architecture is the future of web app development. > Period. > > No comment on storage. We do things differently at Google, so I'm out > of touch with "normal". We have concerns like: "is it redundant in the > face of two simultaneous data center outages?" > > Nick > On Apr 30, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: > >> There are Java options for this, but why go with imitators :P? >> >> There's FeatherDB - http://code.google.com/p/featherdb/ >> Project Voldemort - http://project-voldemort.com/ >> >> And I'm sure others. But I'm sticking with CouchDB as I think it has a >> lot of strengths that the Java versions might not (Concurrency, >> Distributable out of the box, etc.). >> >> -warner >> >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Andrew Lenards >> wrote: >>> I fell victim to CouchDB's April Fools joke last year: >>> >>> http://damienkatz.net/2008/04/couchdb_language_change.html >>> >>> But it could have been two of three if that was true. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Warner Onstine >>> wrote: I guess that's one out of three Java :P. -warner On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: > Grails, with Flex and CouchDB. > > -warner > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Andrew Lenards > wrote: >> I'm curious for the opinion of the list. If you started a >> project to >> build >> a web application today, what would you Java technology-stack be? >> >> >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org >>> >>> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org > For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org
Re: [jug-discussion] If you started a web project on the JVM today...
java on app engine. If I didn't want to use AppEngine, I'd still do GWT with a GWT RPC backend on the serverside. Ajax apps with RPC to the server is the *only* way to develop web applications. Disclaimer, I didn't write GWT, and I have more than a few complaints about it. But it's architecture is the future of web app development. Period. No comment on storage. We do things differently at Google, so I'm out of touch with "normal". We have concerns like: "is it redundant in the face of two simultaneous data center outages?" Nick On Apr 30, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: There are Java options for this, but why go with imitators :P? There's FeatherDB - http://code.google.com/p/featherdb/ Project Voldemort - http://project-voldemort.com/ And I'm sure others. But I'm sticking with CouchDB as I think it has a lot of strengths that the Java versions might not (Concurrency, Distributable out of the box, etc.). -warner On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Andrew Lenards wrote: I fell victim to CouchDB's April Fools joke last year: http://damienkatz.net/2008/04/couchdb_language_change.html But it could have been two of three if that was true. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: I guess that's one out of three Java :P. -warner On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: Grails, with Flex and CouchDB. -warner On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Andrew Lenards wrote: I'm curious for the opinion of the list. If you started a project to build a web application today, what would you Java technology-stack be? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org
Re: [jug-discussion] If you started a web project on the JVM today...
There are Java options for this, but why go with imitators :P? There's FeatherDB - http://code.google.com/p/featherdb/ Project Voldemort - http://project-voldemort.com/ And I'm sure others. But I'm sticking with CouchDB as I think it has a lot of strengths that the Java versions might not (Concurrency, Distributable out of the box, etc.). -warner On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Andrew Lenards wrote: > I fell victim to CouchDB's April Fools joke last year: > > http://damienkatz.net/2008/04/couchdb_language_change.html > > But it could have been two of three if that was true. > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: >> >> I guess that's one out of three Java :P. >> >> -warner >> >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: >> > Grails, with Flex and CouchDB. >> > >> > -warner >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Andrew Lenards >> > wrote: >> >> I'm curious for the opinion of the list. If you started a project to >> >> build >> >> a web application today, what would you Java technology-stack be? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org >> > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org
Re: [jug-discussion] If you started a web project on the JVM today...
Well, sorta. Grails is mostly non-Java, right? Sure, you can write Java services, or embed Java in Groovy... :) On Apr 30, 2009, at 2:55 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: I guess that's one out of three Java :P. -warner On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: Grails, with Flex and CouchDB. -warner On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Andrew Lenards wrote: I'm curious for the opinion of the list. If you started a project to build a web application today, what would you Java technology-stack be? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org
Re: [jug-discussion] If you started a web project on the JVM today...
I fell victim to CouchDB's April Fools joke last year: http://damienkatz.net/2008/04/couchdb_language_change.html But it could have been two of three if that was true. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: > I guess that's one out of three Java :P. > > -warner > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: > > Grails, with Flex and CouchDB. > > > > -warner > > > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Andrew Lenards > > wrote: > >> I'm curious for the opinion of the list. If you started a project to > build > >> a web application today, what would you Java technology-stack be? > >> > >> > >> > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org > For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org > >
Re: [jug-discussion] If you started a web project on the JVM today...
I guess that's one out of three Java :P. -warner On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Warner Onstine wrote: > Grails, with Flex and CouchDB. > > -warner > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Andrew Lenards > wrote: >> I'm curious for the opinion of the list. If you started a project to build >> a web application today, what would you Java technology-stack be? >> >> >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org
Re: [jug-discussion] If you started a web project on the JVM today...
Grails, with Flex and CouchDB. -warner On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Andrew Lenards wrote: > I'm curious for the opinion of the list. If you started a project to build > a web application today, what would you Java technology-stack be? > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jug-discussion-unsubscr...@tucson-jug.org For additional commands, e-mail: jug-discussion-h...@tucson-jug.org
[jug-discussion] If you started a web project on the JVM today...
I'm curious for the opinion of the list. If you started a project to build a web application today, what would you Java technology-stack be?
