Re: JuJu, LXC, OpenStack charm problem w/Nova Quantum
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 18/03/14 18:42, brian mullan wrote: hey good to see you diving in g. not sure if you read the whole thread but on my orig. post I mentioned I was testing ,,, in ubuntu 14.04.. lxc 1.x, juju and juju-gui and the new juju-bundle for -- openstack. On my system... everything on juju-gui eventually showed green except.. nova and what was indicated as quantum-gateway which juju-gui reported as Red due to some hook failure. Now that I think of it.. the fact that the charm referred to quantum-gateway instead of the newer Neutron terminology makes me wonder whether this code has just not been updated lately? It has - we just lack a good way to rename a charm and facilitate a switch to the new charm name for existing deployments. - -- James Page Ubuntu and Debian Developer james.p...@ubuntu.com jamesp...@debian.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJTKWzWAAoJEL/srsug59jDBgwP/AufpIYLRWIPiLh/R7t8DIGt WTrwIsBL7x/V/rbSkgR1vCudXM4bc09uYy9VqnqKfN9JMlZfhLVO5PEItoT/HyiE s/SR4XvCUgBvrb/oS4j9bxdtMSaoxSAfVvW47sLB+kkL6JtJViTXsmqOgAdE6I9+ 9i8Mpkm0lkTjsJelZfmgX45/5KeVCbs1azuCfiofwyENZk1Fp7WLfewAP0YGqIEL e0Kr8S01+C17Gnn8isRW0HBbleXZ23Z4iq4cM4WS1JkbuuSMnnFRX+uzzbvKQRKn TqA9DsKXvRQYTGnqFNdvCg8Fyat/G4jl4cpPGWmiWDm7hUOnG7wu03UR3PH6wz+4 P7thzE1QKFSMz9iKXwFHOD1k/G5ofTYiO5tq65KsrfCsH4uZOZitO7qneyigIypf vS+JvJn1hrmNlpKGx6/b0IGLktqNBqXPAUP1/A6MQYd+viAHiyklR7A3RNY17Vw8 cUX/r1UfyyrhuexstoTgHQVDR69boG0c8cd1K6GK7YwZnze2eiEO37SZo2HzVxvq 9HLzj4IXxI+PdR9gO4s/R9KqGrgLE5qBLeI8L47JvJPnTMClPuGB71brQUT81jhs 2kQfJj+isCStedxOM6MWvNeRdteUPX/ZGP6x75694nLHPKcNLXubPD4WMydN6e4r xLEXw1BdETqxbrEpA5x0 =LOm6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Juju mailing list Juju@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju
Re: JuJu, LXC, OpenStack charm problem w/Nova Quantum
mark.. hey good to see you diving in g. not sure if you read the whole thread but on my orig. post I mentioned I was testing ,,, in ubuntu 14.04.. lxc 1.x, juju and juju-gui and the new juju-bundle for -- openstack. On my system... everything on juju-gui eventually showed green except.. nova and what was indicated as quantum-gateway which juju-gui reported as Red due to some hook failure. Now that I think of it.. the fact that the charm referred to quantum-gateway instead of the newer Neutron terminology makes me wonder whether this code has just not been updated lately? -- Juju mailing list Juju@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju
Re: JuJu, LXC, OpenStack charm problem w/Nova Quantum
John thanks for your note. Yes I have used Juju before to deploy and use OpenStack on KVM as well as on vmware.. *This was an experiment*. But in OpenStack the virtualization type of the vm is specified by the hypervisor configured for OpenStack (kvm, xen, vmware etc). The OpenStack site documentation does say LXC is one of the supported options but the site doesn't say much else in regards to what does or does not work. If OpenStack could be made to work with LXC then for linux based workloads... OpenStack would be a great management system for a multi-tenant capable LXC based cloud environment. LXC 1.0 introduced a great deal of new capabilities to LXC including support for fully *unprivileged* containers and a host of new backingstore options. Stephane Graber did a great series of blog posts introducing LXC 1.0's new features - found herehttps://www.stgraber.org/2013/12/20/lxc-1-0-blog-post-series/. And yes, nested LXC does work and I've been using it for about a year now myself. On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:44 AM, John Meinel j...@arbash-meinel.com wrote: I believe that Nova Compute itself prefers to deploy its units as KVM. (So when a user connects to your Openstack deployment and asks for a VM, they will get a KVM backed machine). IIRC, you *cannot* create a KVM container inside an LXC container. So you wouldn't be able to deploy Nova-compute into an LXC if it then wanted to deploy KVM instances. Perhaps you could do something where you tell Nova-compute to create LXC containers. You would then end up with nested LXC, which I know had some bugs in the past (If you get the cgroups wrong, the nested containers will refuse to run do to App Armor profiles, etc). So I'm guessing that the Openstack charms are designed to deploy onto more real-metal than containers, and barring that,probably KVM containers rather than LXC. John =:- On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 4:08 PM, brian mullan bmullan.m...@gmail.com wrote: OpenStack itself says it supports LXC: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/config-reference/content/lxc.html and although a bit dated this OpenStack doc shows (under Ubuntu Natty)... some config setup info: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LXC My orig post had said 2 OpenStack services were left in Red State with some sort of message about problem with hooks. The two were: nova-compute quantum-gateway I can kind of understand the quantum-gateway due to lxc/host networking being a bit different. But I just wasn't comfortable that the nova-compute part of the charm had a problem because that is just for compute resources. The storage services of OpenStack in the Charm had already gone into a green state. I would like to suggest that there may be a bug in the JuJu OpenStack Charm's hooks related either/both of the above 2 services when used with LXC (re local provider). Now as I have not tried to deploy that charm to say Amazon... I guess I could be jumping the gun and perhaps this problem exists w/other environments? On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Adam Stokes adam.sto...@ubuntu.com wrote: I also think that nova and lxc do not mingle well either. I've typically deployed nova in a kvm instance instead On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 1:26 PM, John Meinel j...@arbash-meinel.com wrote: I'm pretty sure Quantum can't be deployed in LXC because it needs direct access to block devices. I could be wrong. John =:- On Mar 15, 2014 2:08 PM, brian mullan bmullan.m...@gmail.com wrote: I thought I'd try using some of the cool new stuff.. so with latest lxc 1.0 JuJu JuJu-gui installed I decided to look at JuJu Bundles. I set my environment to local and started the OpenStack bundle. Everything eventually turns green except: Nova-Compute Quantum-Gateway Which stay in a red state and provide a message that the charm had failed hooks. Just out of curiousity has anyone else tried to do this yet ? I believe the problem is related to how openstack requires addressing setup for nova ( probably quantum) but not sure how to troubleshoot the charm further myself. Thanks Brian Mullan Raleigh NC -- Juju mailing list Juju@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju -- Juju mailing list Juju@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju -- [ Adam Stokes ] -- Juju mailing list Juju@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju
RE: JuJu, LXC, OpenStack charm problem w/Nova Quantum
I'm curious about what the juju logs showed for those charms that failed (stayed red per the OP). Personally, and not specific to juju, I tried Havana on LXC a couple of months ago. It worked well except for Neutron. The moment it starts the whole machine froze. I noticed it happens around when its supposed to create the bridges. I thoght it had to do with trying to bridge virtual interfaces that are already bridged outside LXC, but didn't spend any time to troubleshoot. -Original Message- From: brian mullan bmullan.m...@gmail.com Sent: 17/03/2014 11:30 PM To: James Page james.p...@ubuntu.com Cc: juju juju@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: JuJu, LXC, OpenStack charm problem w/Nova Quantum great information.. thanks James! On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 8:21 AM, James Page james.p...@ubuntu.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi Brian I responded to your original mail as well - but also detailing a bit more here. On 17/03/14 12:09, brian mullan wrote: [...] If OpenStack could be made to work with LXC then for linux based workloads... OpenStack would be a great management system for a multi-tenant capable LXC based cloud environment. LXC 1.0 introduced a great deal of new capabilities to LXC including support for fully *unprivileged* containers and a host of new backingstore options. Stephane Graber did a great series of blog posts introducing LXC 1.0's new features - found here https://www.stgraber.org/2013/12/20/lxc-1-0-blog-post-series/. And yes, nested LXC does work and I've been using it for about a year now myself. Aside from the problems I detailed in my first response about running nova-compute and quantum-gateway in LXC containers, this configuration is 100% supported by the OpenStack charms; infact this was one of the configuration options that Mark Shuttleworth demo'ed live on-stage at the OpenStack Summit in Hong Kong last November. The nova-compute charm has a virt-type configuration option that defaults to kvm; this can be switch to lxc (amongst other things). Neutron works fine with LXC containers as the integration is by libvirt which makes the networking part exactly the same as with KVM. You could run this nested on a KVM based cloud or directly on hardware; however out-of-the box you can't run this LXC in LXC. - -- James Page Ubuntu and Debian Developer james.p...@ubuntu.com jamesp...@debian.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJTJui5AAoJEL/srsug59jDSc0QAKcVJW0KBFmpu6vsvZb5xLXt zVmQHk5LYenClCmoz9p8FPSfzTSOc3mrMMNp+xz2PHjJOrccdWMPAmBDXiO2mUYv mhwGqQ2j4KkBbwGW5p8XH8+FsHyjjlU9Z4fRqEWZjrql5SKbTfrpvSZ9vlUg6GYr 2DJxEqUGiOECg8W5X95e7AHLwivEOtK5N8fiXmuiWCuXKB8uWin3T4p0Mk2QI8bo QMmXHskHpfv1jrVfmUFc4MD3VBfYHZ4/6Hv9WpM92HOOq4qc2+Ok5NZaPowNo1n6 yXdMjrKeLRNh6ecbBeOY2xgUtkMaCYCqXm9uGoU7ukytOiL6Hf23NEcge5k/2cM1 aca6ZPb2h30LNIfgz7UjTW4RW+O0L1idjAZNSEdtYgKKzlJq1bXOKib2vOW60H1x GPP+tjMzzNmSbbAmWqhZtSRZ2aH3czYG4b9W1gF4D8tDZDtYerKxvYR9Kbi2NezW dj2fYR5SlmIOPSOefjUClg34AOR9S76FEkosh0+tDZFgZj+JkoP0TS5pbwXiO+3G dgCljqgxG5Cie+e9W0ru4EGx1vHL8BhpxpDHgRmP7Y8/KrNuosirJCnIHIsAhmoN 9+8n/0FlJbzIGdHCn+X+SdrAFy+x7zallhkes5JcIhEolSyBERAbd/S1ep/XsDCs i/0JH3c+G1ZlOCeWVCg/ =dROT -END PGP SIGNATURE--- Juju mailing list Juju@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju
Re: JuJu, LXC, OpenStack charm problem w/Nova Quantum
Just to clear up a little confusion. OpenStack does support LXC as a “compute hypervisor” (i.e. it can be used instead of kvm, qemu, esxi, etc.). Be sure to check out the Compute Hypervisor Support Matrix for what features are supported on each (and whether they’ll be removed in the future). Juju deployment on LXC as the “provider” is a different case, and likely fails for the reasons mentioned below. If you were really itching to test the new JuJu features, you could deploy an OpenStack all-in-one on a single box (currently no existing easy way to do this with Ubuntu, equivalent to Packstack), then deploy JuJu with the “OpenStack” provider, and finally deploy another OpenStack (“OpenStack on OpenStack” or “Triple O”) using the JuJu charms. It’s really sucks, but it can work. -Tim On Mar 17, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Sebastian sebas5...@gmail.com wrote: Would love to see OpenStack running in my local dev environment, but also I could use it in a dedicated server, to even use it with a juju openstack env. So, today we can't deploy OpenStack with all lxc, right? (sorry if thats the wrong question, trying to catch up) Abs, Sebas. 2014-03-17 16:50 GMT-03:00 Kapil Thangavelu kapil.thangav...@canonical.com: On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Tim Penhey tim.pen...@canonical.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18/03/14 05:35, Matt Rae wrote: On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 7:04 AM, James Page james.p...@ubuntu.com It would be interesting to know what are the blockers for this to work. Using the local provider has been very convenient and it would be nice to be able to deploy openstack without maas. Would switching to nova-network be a workaround for neutron? Could nova-compute use the virt-type=lxc to get around the hypervisor issues? Just idly wondering, but what are the minimum kvm requirements for nova-compute and quantum-gateway? hardware supports nested virt on compute (if using kvm on nova-compute lxc should work okay), quantum is a bit of a mystery. Currently the juju local provider has just one container factory (used for creating machines). It is just a simple manner of code to make it work with both kvm and lxc. i noticed that limitation with the local provider, i think mixed container usage would help, we would need to direct both to the same bridge. not sure if that the will resolve all the issues. Did you realize that you can use the local provider configured to use kvm containers? /me nods kvm machine per openstack instance are a bit overkill, hulk smash/deploy-to would help though but needs a bundle/deployer config with co-location for folks to use. Now I've not put too much thought into this yet, and we don't have any time before 14.04, but could be an interesting spike to show something off at ODS. i was thinking it would be nice for 14.10 to have a dev/demo on one machine to prod workflow on openstack. tbd, there are a few other projects working on the same. We could have some bundle that described an openstack local deployment where you could go 'juju quickstart local-openstack' and have a complete openstack deployment on your laptop in a combination of lxc and kvm containers. Thoughts? openstack as dev or demo on local sounds awesome. -k -- Juju mailing list Juju@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju -- Juju mailing list Juju@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -- Juju mailing list Juju@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju
Re: JuJu, LXC, OpenStack charm problem w/Nova Quantum
Here are a couple of scenario's for openstack/lxc that I think are interesting. ARM x64 cpu are now available and use 1/8th the power of an intel cpu ... given its hard to compare apples to oranges here. Ubuntu LXC can both be used on ARM x64 systems. For today's DataCenters the biggest constraint expense is power. I am thinking that running Linux based work-loads in LXC virtual machines may, combined ARM x64 cpu, actually perform better than intel cpu w/hw virtualization (kvm, vmware et al) at a much lower power utilization. If you are a Cloud SP that can be a big deal. But what if we looked at a end goal and worked backward using some assumptions:: - Linux work-loads only - JuJu and JuJu-gui... provide seamless cloud, server application deployment, scaling and network connectivity management. - LXC is a choice for the virtualizaton - SDN - OVS (openvswitch), ovsdb and VxLAN supported - OpenStack, Horizon Gui, Neutron/Quantum networking (via plugins), etc to allow utilization of all of the above Networking could become really interesting here. Implementation of VxLAN support enables a physical server to become a multi-tenant, LXC based cloud with point-to-point interconnect to any other like machines/clusters/clouds as a VTEP (Virtual Tunnel End-Point). The beauty of it is that you can have Multiple VTEPs for a single LXC host Server. Each VTEP *could* be the VxLAN network connection for a different tenant's cloud of lxc based applications managed by Nova on that server. This has a good overview of OpenStack over VxLAN: http://www.openstack.org/assets/presentation-media/OpenStackOverVxlan.pdf Staying focused on my original post regarding the possibilities *if you could* use OpenStack to manage an LXC based cloud interconnected via an SDN VxLAN network setup. The above URL describes how to configure VxLAN via OpenStack using Neutron (sorry I realized in prev email's I was still calling it Quantum). -- Juju mailing list Juju@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju
Re: JuJu, LXC, OpenStack charm problem w/Nova Quantum
OpenStack itself says it supports LXC: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/config-reference/content/lxc.html and although a bit dated this OpenStack doc shows (under Ubuntu Natty)... some config setup info: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LXC My orig post had said 2 OpenStack services were left in Red State with some sort of message about problem with hooks. The two were: - nova-compute - quantum-gateway I can kind of understand the quantum-gateway due to lxc/host networking being a bit different. But I just wasn't comfortable that the *nova-compute* part of the charm had a problem because that is just for compute resources. The storage services of OpenStack in the Charm had already gone into a green state. I would like to suggest that there may be a bug in the JuJu OpenStack Charm's hooks related either/both of the above 2 services when used with LXC (re local provider). Now as I have not tried to deploy that charm to say Amazon... I guess I could be jumping the gun and perhaps this problem exists w/other environments? On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Adam Stokes adam.sto...@ubuntu.com wrote: I also think that nova and lxc do not mingle well either. I've typically deployed nova in a kvm instance instead On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 1:26 PM, John Meinel j...@arbash-meinel.com wrote: I'm pretty sure Quantum can't be deployed in LXC because it needs direct access to block devices. I could be wrong. John =:- On Mar 15, 2014 2:08 PM, brian mullan bmullan.m...@gmail.com wrote: I thought I'd try using some of the cool new stuff.. so with latest lxc 1.0 JuJu JuJu-gui installed I decided to look at JuJu Bundles. I set my environment to local and started the OpenStack bundle. Everything eventually turns green except: Nova-Compute Quantum-Gateway Which stay in a red state and provide a message that the charm had failed hooks. Just out of curiousity has anyone else tried to do this yet ? I believe the problem is related to how openstack requires addressing setup for nova ( probably quantum) but not sure how to troubleshoot the charm further myself. Thanks Brian Mullan Raleigh NC -- Juju mailing list Juju@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju -- Juju mailing list Juju@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju -- [ Adam Stokes ] -- Juju mailing list Juju@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju
Re: JuJu, LXC, OpenStack charm problem w/Nova Quantum
I believe that Nova Compute itself prefers to deploy its units as KVM. (So when a user connects to your Openstack deployment and asks for a VM, they will get a KVM backed machine). IIRC, you *cannot* create a KVM container inside an LXC container. So you wouldn't be able to deploy Nova-compute into an LXC if it then wanted to deploy KVM instances. Perhaps you could do something where you tell Nova-compute to create LXC containers. You would then end up with nested LXC, which I know had some bugs in the past (If you get the cgroups wrong, the nested containers will refuse to run do to App Armor profiles, etc). So I'm guessing that the Openstack charms are designed to deploy onto more real-metal than containers, and barring that,probably KVM containers rather than LXC. John =:- On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 4:08 PM, brian mullan bmullan.m...@gmail.com wrote: OpenStack itself says it supports LXC: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/config-reference/content/lxc.html and although a bit dated this OpenStack doc shows (under Ubuntu Natty)... some config setup info: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LXC My orig post had said 2 OpenStack services were left in Red State with some sort of message about problem with hooks. The two were: nova-compute quantum-gateway I can kind of understand the quantum-gateway due to lxc/host networking being a bit different. But I just wasn't comfortable that the nova-compute part of the charm had a problem because that is just for compute resources. The storage services of OpenStack in the Charm had already gone into a green state. I would like to suggest that there may be a bug in the JuJu OpenStack Charm's hooks related either/both of the above 2 services when used with LXC (re local provider). Now as I have not tried to deploy that charm to say Amazon... I guess I could be jumping the gun and perhaps this problem exists w/other environments? On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Adam Stokes adam.sto...@ubuntu.com wrote: I also think that nova and lxc do not mingle well either. I've typically deployed nova in a kvm instance instead On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 1:26 PM, John Meinel j...@arbash-meinel.com wrote: I'm pretty sure Quantum can't be deployed in LXC because it needs direct access to block devices. I could be wrong. John =:- On Mar 15, 2014 2:08 PM, brian mullan bmullan.m...@gmail.com wrote: I thought I'd try using some of the cool new stuff.. so with latest lxc 1.0 JuJu JuJu-gui installed I decided to look at JuJu Bundles. I set my environment to local and started the OpenStack bundle. Everything eventually turns green except: Nova-Compute Quantum-Gateway Which stay in a red state and provide a message that the charm had failed hooks. Just out of curiousity has anyone else tried to do this yet ? I believe the problem is related to how openstack requires addressing setup for nova ( probably quantum) but not sure how to troubleshoot the charm further myself. Thanks Brian Mullan Raleigh NC -- Juju mailing list Juju@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju -- Juju mailing list Juju@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju -- [ Adam Stokes ] -- Juju mailing list Juju@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju
Re: JuJu, LXC, OpenStack charm problem w/Nova Quantum
I'm pretty sure Quantum can't be deployed in LXC because it needs direct access to block devices. I could be wrong. John =:- On Mar 15, 2014 2:08 PM, brian mullan bmullan.m...@gmail.com wrote: I thought I'd try using some of the cool new stuff.. so with latest lxc 1.0 JuJu JuJu-gui installed I decided to look at JuJu Bundles. I set my environment to local and started the OpenStack bundle. Everything eventually turns green except: Nova-Compute Quantum-Gateway Which stay in a red state and provide a message that the charm had failed hooks. Just out of curiousity has anyone else tried to do this yet ? I believe the problem is related to how openstack requires addressing setup for nova ( probably quantum) but not sure how to troubleshoot the charm further myself. Thanks Brian Mullan Raleigh NC -- Juju mailing list Juju@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju -- Juju mailing list Juju@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju
Re: JuJu, LXC, OpenStack charm problem w/Nova Quantum
I also think that nova and lxc do not mingle well either. I've typically deployed nova in a kvm instance instead On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 1:26 PM, John Meinel j...@arbash-meinel.com wrote: I'm pretty sure Quantum can't be deployed in LXC because it needs direct access to block devices. I could be wrong. John =:- On Mar 15, 2014 2:08 PM, brian mullan bmullan.m...@gmail.com wrote: I thought I'd try using some of the cool new stuff.. so with latest lxc 1.0 JuJu JuJu-gui installed I decided to look at JuJu Bundles. I set my environment to local and started the OpenStack bundle. Everything eventually turns green except: Nova-Compute Quantum-Gateway Which stay in a red state and provide a message that the charm had failed hooks. Just out of curiousity has anyone else tried to do this yet ? I believe the problem is related to how openstack requires addressing setup for nova ( probably quantum) but not sure how to troubleshoot the charm further myself. Thanks Brian Mullan Raleigh NC -- Juju mailing list Juju@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju -- Juju mailing list Juju@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju -- [ Adam Stokes ] -- Juju mailing list Juju@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju